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| Posted by: Shamalama 25-May-2004, 09:02 AM |
| Fayetteville, Arkansas - Michelle Duggar's family says that the mother is all smiles after delivering her 15th child. Both the baby and mother were doing well, although Michelle was feeling some discomfort because the birth was her second by Caesarean section, said father and former state legislator Jim Bob Duggar's mother, Mary Duggar. "She's a trooper. She's just all smiles," Mary Duggar said in a telephone interview Monday. The baby boy, Jackson Levi Duggar, was born at 10:52 a.m. Sunday. He weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces and is 20 inches long. Michelle, 37, probably will be in Washington Regional Medical Center for three or four days, said her mother-in-law, who is taking care of the 14 other children. Michelle, who home schools her children and is helping to build the family's new home in Tontitown from the ground up, started having her babies when she was 21, four years after she and Jim Bob married. He is a real estate businessman and a former state representative. Their children include two sets of twins, and the parents have stuck to the letter "J" for their names. There is Joshua, 16; Jana and John-David, 14; Jill, 13; Jessa, 11; Jinger, 10; Joseph, 9; Josiah, 7; Joy-Anna, 6; Jeremiah and Jedidiah, 5; Jason, 4; James, 2; and Justin, 1. Full story at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=541&ncid=751&e=9&u=/ap/20040525/ap_on_he_me/fifteen_kids |
| Posted by: Annabelle 25-May-2004, 09:04 AM |
| I wonder do they know what causes this? Can you image trying to put all of these kids thru college! |
| Posted by: tsargent62 25-May-2004, 09:07 AM |
| Oy! 3 is hard enough to handle! I can't begin to imagine 15 kids. Just for survival you'd have to develop some serious organizational skills. Either that or sell some to science. |
| Posted by: gtrplr 25-May-2004, 10:48 AM | ||
May I suggest: Rudolph, Adolph, Getoph and Stayoph?  |
| Posted by: Annabelle 25-May-2004, 12:07 PM |
| Again do these people know what causes this? |
| Posted by: peckery 25-May-2004, 04:42 PM |
| Stop having sex you freakin idiots!!!! Unless this guy makes about 500K a year, WE will be supporting this brood mare's spaun for 18 years. I want to retire someday. Cut it OUT  |
| Posted by: Annabelle 25-May-2004, 04:53 PM |
| Peckery you don't want to support this poor individual who doesn't even know where babies come from? Maybe he thinks it's a pencil sharpener! Maybe he's trying to start a fire out doors! He might think it's a way to polish the floors! Maybe he own's stock in Viagra! Maybe he own's stock in Cialis! You know some people don't get out much, be understanding of your fellow mankind. You've supported all of the other social program's why not this guy? |
| Posted by: silverdragon 25-May-2004, 06:47 PM |
Ahem.  Folks, my sister-in-law and her husband have (the last time I checked) nine children. They have never been on welfare. They have never even had government jobs, for heaven's sake. They are home schooling their children, so they're not a burden on the public school system. The older ones are earning scholarships, taking out loans (which WILL be repaid) and working their butts off to get through college. And yes, my in-laws know EXACTLY what causes this, and have chosen to have as many children as they have.From the facts (father employed, mother home-schooling, building their own home) this family in Arkansas seems similar. While I personally would NEVER want that many children, I certainly would not want to see any of my nieces and nephews sold to science!  |
| Posted by: Redbud 25-May-2004, 08:36 PM |
| Hello all. This is my second post, the first being in the intros. So I am just jumping in at the top here. I am a home schooling mom myself. From my own observations & from feedback from others, home schoolers as a whole are raising outstanding citizens who will contribute in many positive ways to society. Many have already graduated & are working & raising more of the same. Having 15+ children obvously isn't for everyone. My DH & I had wanted 8, but I was unable to physically handle that many pregnancies. We had 5 children, & lost 2 of them in their teens. Trust me on this one: each & everyone of those children is precious, & if any one of them does not have a strong work ethic & belief that it is normal to contribute to the welfare of one's family & society will definitely be the rare exception. How's that for jumping into the thick of things?  Sherry |
| Posted by: Keltic 25-May-2004, 09:32 PM |
| Here I am joining Redbud and silverdragon. Any number of wanted children in a loving home is nothing less than a blessing. I have friends who have just had their 11th child and the family doesn't collect a dime from the government. While two income families are sending their 2.3 children off to take advantage of school breakfast programs and subsidized daycare, these people are taking full financial responsibility for their own children. Peckery... you sound lonely (and perhaps a bit jealous)!! |
| Posted by: Kassia 25-May-2004, 10:55 PM |
| how much time does she have for each child during the day? how much time does she have for herself? One of the big reasons we gave up trying for a girl after 3 boys was that I wanted to be able to raise properly and take care of these three without their being shortchanged emotionally. I read another version of the story on Drudge Report. When asked why they had so many kids, the dad said, well she has to have them and take care of them, so If she wants another its ok by me! they spay animals, dont they?? |
| Posted by: peckery 26-May-2004, 06:05 AM | ||
Oh yeah! Thats me! |
| Posted by: Aaediwen 26-May-2004, 06:29 AM |
| didn't this use to be the norm a generation or two ago? Dunno why it had to end. But ohh well. I think if someone wants to have a bunch of kids, then more power to them. I've heard that only one or two can be a pain though. I wouldn't know. I'm single, and in no hurry to go out of my way looking for Miss. perfect. If I find her, that's another story. But I'm in no hurry to go out of my way looking. |
| Posted by: Keltic 26-May-2004, 06:42 AM | ||
Now that was extremely rude and quite judgemental on any of us who happened to go over your three child limit. When my fourth child is old enough, should I tell him that I am really sorry but I don't have time for him and that I guess that I should have been clipped so he never happened? My friends should tell eight of their children that they are sorry for having them and that there is no hope in hell that they will grow up in a loving environment? You may have found that you didn't feel that you had time in your schedule to raise more but I'll tell you that we are handling our fourth without sacrificing the others and I know that none of our friends 11 children are being shortchanged. I've seen children who have no siblings being shortchanged by their parents. |
| Posted by: peckery 26-May-2004, 07:13 AM | ||||
screw the world, screw the envirnment screw everybody. I'm having 20 kids. Gonna drive an SUV. This is not 1903. You don't need to have 20 kids just so 10 make it to adulthood to help out on the family farm. If you have 10 kids you can't give them the same attention you could if you had four. Just because you have sex if doesn't mean you have a kid. I do not believe in social engineering, but I do believe if you are trying to repopulate the world on your own, you should be able to prove that you can financially provide with out the help of the government. My wife as a life style choice, have decided not to have kids. I don't want to pay for someone elses. |
| Posted by: Elspeth 26-May-2004, 07:25 AM |
| EEeekkkk!!!!!!!! And to think my greatgrandmother had 17, all single births. As to the comments on children being shortchanged by their parents... As a mother of 4, I have observed that I don't have the same kind of time for the 4th that I had for the 1st, but he feels no lack. He has more loved lavished upon him because he doesn't just get it from his parents, he gets it from his siblings as well. They are very close, play and work together. If I don't have time for him you can believe one of his sisters or brother do. The family of 17 sounds like a family. It isn't just the mom's job to raise the kids, it is a family enterprise. Siblings are there for each other as well. It creates a strong family bond. There are plusses and minuses to any number of children. These people sound like they are happy and responsible. God Bless Them. I'd rather see a family of 15 well raised children than a family of 2.3 clueless selfish brats who have all the material things they ever could imagine and no sense of what is really important. |
| Posted by: Keltic 26-May-2004, 10:37 AM | ||||
... and your choice is your choice. I don't think that your choice has been judged here. As for paying for other peoples children, I'm sure that this family doesn't want to pay for other peoples children either. They have enough on their plate. Don't forget that your taxes are paying for every non-homeschooled child in your state.
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| Posted by: silverdragon 26-May-2004, 01:12 PM | ||
Ditto from my observation of my sister-in-law's family - the older kids help with the younger kids. That's the way a large family works. |
| Posted by: peckery 26-May-2004, 02:09 PM | ||||
Exactly. That is not being raised by your parents. It is you being passed off to your older brothers and sisters, with parents micromanaging. (microparenting) A family of 17 to me sounds like a city. A basketball team only has 12 players for God's sake. |
| Posted by: Kassia 26-May-2004, 11:29 PM | ||||
Peckery already has a litter to send to the groomer once a week....he knows whereof he speaks! |
| Posted by: urian 26-May-2004, 11:36 PM | ||
Yes. It was. My father is the oldest boy but one of the middle children of 13. My mother had 4 sisers and herself. A friend of mine who is slightly younger than I had 20 brotehrs and sisters(some were twins) and I have another friend with 9 kids. none of those families relied on wlefare of anykind. They were a burden to society only at all you can eat buffets  |
| Posted by: Annabelle 27-May-2004, 08:02 AM |
| Well it is Arkansas, the land of Slick willey! |
| Posted by: peckery 27-May-2004, 08:20 AM | ||
Perhaps a DNA test is in line |
| Posted by: gtrplr 27-May-2004, 08:27 AM | ||
Nah. You're thinking of Kentucky. (If a couple gets married in Kentucky, moves to Tennessee and gets divorced in Mississippi, are they still brother and sister?) |
| Posted by: Elspeth 28-May-2004, 06:20 AM | ||||||
I am taking exception to this. I raise my children. I am their parent. But, my children are better off for being part of a loving family. Knowing they can depend on others besides just me. That is NOT passing them off to others to be raised. I think you are speaking on something here you know nothing about. Why does the fact a couple chose to have a large family bother you so much? What business is it of yours? They didn't ask you for anything did they? You chose not to have any children, they chose to have 15. So what? Is freedom of choice only allowed for those who think like you? When they are living on your doorstep and eating your food, then you have a right to complain. Sorry, guess I'm in a fiesty mood today. |
| Posted by: peckery 29-May-2004, 09:50 AM | ||||||||
Let me point something out to you. I am Peckery the Contrarian. I ALWAYS pick the least popular point of view just to stir the pot. If this couple want to have kids until her vagina falls out, what do I care? I'm sure they will all grow up normal, have normal lives, go to great schools,, marry well, and have 20 kids themselves. What couple wouldn't want 400 grandchildren. Thats better than one for every day of the year. That a beautiful thing. I'm sure the grandparents will remember ALL their names, and have special loving relationships with each grand child. Now that I think about it, I'm sure my parents felt cheated because they only had five grandchildren. As they look down from heaven, I hope they can forgive my brother, sisters and me for being slackers. All of you of child bearing age had better get busy before it's to late to replicate. |
| Posted by: Raven 29-May-2004, 05:48 PM | ||
Has that ever happened???? I'm sure that you would at least care enough to bring me a copy of the news paper with this headline |
| Posted by: Annabelle 29-May-2004, 07:11 PM |
| I thought those folks are from Illinois and Indiana.... |
| Posted by: peckery 29-May-2004, 07:49 PM | ||
Georgia, I think |
| Posted by: Raven 30-May-2004, 01:31 PM |
| did you hear about the monkey family in lower Slobovia that gave birth to 4 sets--that's right I said 4 sets of 2 headed monkey twins. That's 16 heads total (for those of you who are mathematically challenged - me I just can't spell ) I know it's true (I saw it on a newspaper headline at the grocery) and I was just looking for the Peckery's comments on what the social implications of the macabe occurance may be in the Lower Slobovian simean community may be???? |
| Posted by: Annabelle 30-May-2004, 10:30 PM |
| Raven please don't tell Peckery about this. He'll think he needs to compete! God help Sockabelle! |
| Posted by: maisky 31-May-2004, 06:00 AM | ||
Goodness!!! Lady Elspeth with her claws showing!!!  |
| Posted by: maisky 31-May-2004, 06:01 AM | ||
No, Georgia and Alabama.... |
| Posted by: Elspeth 31-May-2004, 12:44 PM | ||||
No honey, I have no claws. My fingers are worked down to the bone raising my four kids. When I reach the end of my patience, I go for the verbal knockout punch. So far I have managed to restrain myself on here. TRYING to be a lady. I save the good comments for PM's.  |
| Posted by: Annabelle 31-May-2004, 09:43 PM |
| No Maisky It's Illinois and Indiana their from! Now we know why Peckery's the way he is.... |
| Posted by: Annabelle 31-May-2004, 09:44 PM |
| I'll have you know Elspeth doesn't have claws Slave! She has pretty polished nails and is a lady. So don't make me come up there and shave your head and give you a bikini waxing to go along with it!!!! Don't pick on my little sister fella! |
| Posted by: Elspeth 02-Jun-2004, 07:27 AM |
| Thanks sis! I can always count on you to come to my rescue. |
| Posted by: peckery 04-Jun-2004, 04:56 PM |
| I think it is nice and very normal to have 15 children. I wish I could have 15 children. They are blessed. Yes indeed! |
| Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 06-Jun-2004, 01:03 AM |
| It's a person choice to have as many children as they choose if they are not a burden on the state or harming the children in the process. I believe parents can love all 15 children... But if I had 15 kids I'd feel like a baby making factory and I'd be in the nut house by the 12th. I don't see the point in having so many kids. 10 is a nice round number if you want a large family...but 15? What kind of person can you be if your constantly changing diapers, running after toddlers, nursing colds, kissing boo-boos, and screaming at Johnny to not kill sarah, helping the older ones with homework, school projects, after school sports, cooking dinner (unless you've trained the 9 year old to cook dinner) etc, etc??? When did the woman find time to have sex to make the 15th child? I just know I wouldn't be a person anymore...I'd just be a mother who keeps producing children. In the old days people had so many children because there wasn't a thing called birth control. Now we do have it today and now we have a choice. Just my threepence worth, Roisin |
| Posted by: Kassia 06-Jun-2004, 10:27 PM | ||
No, Peckery is a different kind of weird---california born and bred. But he was introduced to that special Indiana weirdness by his bride, and now makes it his happy home. |
| Posted by: Annabelle 07-Jun-2004, 03:38 PM |
| So these folks are from Indiana then. That explains all those shoes on the front porch of his house. |
| Posted by: peckery 07-Jun-2004, 04:36 PM | ||
God has provided shoes! How very, extremely, overly nice. |
| Posted by: Sea Dog 08-Jun-2004, 12:36 AM | ||
thats because God wanted to protect all the socks in the world! |