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> Would Jesus Be A Socialist, Or A Capitalist?
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oldraven 
Posted: 12-Nov-2008, 02:42 PM
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Spawned from another thread, I want to know what you think about this.

Personally, I don't think there's any debate at all. We know his views on equal treatment, and seeing how he acted when the temple was used as a market, we can gather that he wasn't a big fan of business. Aside from that, I think he'd have a sad look on his face if you asked him, because economics was most likely the LAST thing he ever thought about.


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Posted: 12-Nov-2008, 02:56 PM
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Old Raven;

From what little I have read on Early Christian Church History it was a Communist Society in the true meaning of the word. Everything including wealth was shared. So if they were adhereing to the teachings of Jesus I guess he was what we call a socialist.

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QUOTE (Camac @ 12-Nov-2008, 08:56 PM)
Old Raven;

From what little I have read on Early Christian Church History it was  a Communist Society in the true meaning of the word. Everything including wealth was shared. So if they were adhereing to the teachings of Jesus I guess he was what we call a socialist.

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I agree with you!

I'll use the definition for Communism to make that clear.

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Kommunismus (vom lateinischen communis = „gemeinsam“) bezeichnet das politische Ziel einer klassenlosen Gesellschaft, in der das Privateigentum an Produktionsmitteln aufgehoben ist und das erwirtschaftete Sozialprodukt gesellschaftlich angeeignet wird, das heißt, allen Menschen gleichermaßen zugänglich ist.


source: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kommunismus

I'll try to translate this:

"Communism (latin: communis = "collective") betakes the political target of a classless community, whre is abrogated the personal property of ressources and the produced social product is accessibly for all mankind."

In the same source is written:

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...Dessen Tora verlangt die regelmäßige Umverteilung des Bodenbesitzes zugunsten der Besitzlosen als Konsequenz des Glaubens an JHWH, den Sklavenbefreier (Lev 25). An dieses Recht erinnerten sozialkritische Propheten Israels bis hin zu Jesus von Nazaret (Lk 4,16ff)...


"...the Tora arrogates the periodical redistribution of landholding for the benefit of the unpropertied people as a consequence of belief in JHWH the liberator of slaves (Lev25)
Social critical prophets in Israel to the point of Jesus of Nazareth are evocative of this right (Lk4,16ff)..."

I don't know what our pastor would say, if I tell him , that Jesus was a communist...
I'm sure he were thrilled about it... evil.gif

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May I add one more opinion - He would be an anarchist in our "modern" interpretation. Why? It is obvious, He is breaker of all governing rules, He proclaims that all the power is given by the God. And maybe it sound paradoxicall, but he would be crucified and in our age. So, he is a millennium reformer and all the other (on the other side of barricade - we) are his opponents.
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QUOTE (oldraven @ 12-Nov-2008, 03:42 PM)
Spawned from another thread, I want to know what you think about this.

Personally, I don't think there's any debate at all. We know his views on equal treatment, and seeing how he acted when the temple was used as a market, we can gather that he wasn't a big fan of business. Aside from that, I think he'd have a sad look on his face if you asked him, because economics was most likely the LAST thing he ever thought about.

A lot of his parables dealt with "land owners/employers and how they should treat their employees. Also how employees should treat their employers. I think we have failed in both! I do not really see him as a socialist.

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Posted: 16-Nov-2008, 06:12 PM
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The early church was a sociolist system but with a bit of a hieracrchal system embeded into it. James was the bishop of Jerusalem, Peter of Rome. There was a heirarchy that went down from there. Certain people were disignated to certain tasks,e tc.


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Posted: 17-Nov-2008, 02:19 PM
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But that's James and Peter, not Jesus. When he left them to 'build him a church', do you think he wanted them to build the current and historical Roman Catholic Church, or the Pentecostal Church, or the Anglican Church, all with their many power positions, or do you think he just wanted his 'message' to meet the masses? Everything I know about him tells me he wasn't looking for an organisation that resembles, and in some cases is, a form of government, but for a future for mankind. A future where all men and women need not despair.
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Posted: 17-Nov-2008, 02:47 PM
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What people fail to realize a lot of the time is that Jesus was a Jew and the church he wanted built was a reformation of the Jewish faith. He wanted their God seen in a kinder less harsh authoritarian, revengeful light. It was his apostles and disciples that started Christianity not him. Christ is Greek for Messiah and Christianity means follwers of the Messiah. The early christian church was a socialist community out of necessity for the early adherents were mainly among the poor and slaves relying on each other for survival.

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