link on how to wrap and wear the great kilt http://www.scottish-selection.com/tweb/greatkilt/index.htm
Only the bravest and most courageous Scotsmen can wear the kilt as kilts were meant to be worn!
Slainte,
Janet
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| Posted by: kylassie 18-Nov-2001, 09:58 PM |
| Here is a *fully illustrated* link on how to wrap and wear the great kilt http://www.scottish-selection.com/tweb/greatkilt/index.htm Only the bravest and most courageous Scotsmen can wear the kilt as kilts were meant to be worn! Slainte, Janet |
| Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 08:13 PM |
| For some classes you could try my site as well. I have a language page which has 14 different links to Gaelic and Scottish language sites. Maybe one might be of help. http://www.scottishradio.net/scottish/Language.htm As for clothing what time period are you talking? I saw a couple sites which dealt with items like this while surfing for the civil war/scottish links.  |
| Posted by: scottish2 24-Nov-2001, 06:19 PM |
I'd say that guy/gal doesn't like the way the guys numbered 2 & 4 are wearing their outfits. They pick on them allot.  |
| Posted by: kylassie 25-Nov-2001, 12:43 PM |
| Actually the Tartan Police website is a very funny website! They do not take themselves or others very seriously at all. Here is a picture of them in a "Marilyn Monroe" type pose with their kilts! However, all kidding aside, they do make some very good points. They call people who are not Scots, but try to act like they are, "Brigadoons." http://www.durham.net/~neilmac/ In living history talk, we call those types "Farbees." To go to a Civil War event and be called a "Scarlette O'Hara" or a "Rhett Butler" is the ultimate insult to those who don't know what that means. |
| Posted by: kylassie 25-Nov-2001, 06:35 PM |
| Okay, but which time period do you want to discuss first? It begins with the sixteen century and continues all the way to 1960! I do not have a scanner, but I do have a friend who might help me. |
| Posted by: Macfive 02-Dec-2001, 08:32 PM |
| Quote from kylassie, posted on Nov. 25 2001,11:15 I want to honor my ancestors - not insult them! I will dress up and wear my "Sunday Best" to some events, naturaly, but when I wear the Tartan, I intend to do it correctly. Must be woolen, must be correct length, colors must at least be of correct threads - not the golden or silver tablecloth fabric found today. Must be worn correctly in that men wear kilts and ladies wear arisaidhs, and not vise versa. I am not a "kilt-snob" by any means, others may dress as they please, and more power to them, but I want to do mine correctly for my children. That is part of our Highland history and heritage that I am seeking to preserve. Hi Janet, I think it is great that you want to wear the proper dress right down to the colors and garment. And it is to honor our Ancestors for the way of life they lived, enjoyed and in sometimes died for. After all, we owe them alot for getting us to the point we are today. So, just wanted to compliment you on your convictions!  |
| Posted by: kylassie 18-Nov-2001, 10:17 AM |
| Is this tartan okay for a person whose maiden name is Stewart to wear on Tartan Day? I do not know the precise geneology of my father's family, since my parents were divorced when I was a wee bairn. I am not sure if the link will work, but I will try... http://www.tartans.scotland.net/tartan_info.cfm?tartan_id=669 |
| Posted by: scottish2 18-Nov-2001, 05:07 PM |
| In fact thinking wearing of kilts. Maybe Paul might have a person who knows how to full don a Scottish outfit including kilt and such. I am looking at getting a kilt myself one of these days and would like to know how to go about properly wearing it. I have looked around but no luck as of yet finding a site describing the process. Would make for an interesting topic. As for Tartan will let someone else answer this as I am not sure of the answer but your link worked fine. As for genealogy a little tip in case as not sure of your age and not asking but...Ask as many questions of the living now while you can once their gone you can't ask them the question you wanted to. Records will always be around or at least hopfully allot longer and with electronic libraies that is now possible. And I see you're no longer a mere peasant. Congradulations on your promotion.
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| Posted by: kylassie 19-Nov-2001, 08:40 AM |
| I was scouting around on that same website this morning and I found an *excellent* description of the appropriate Scot Highlander ladies fashion! It too, comes complete with illustrations regarding how to wear the arisaidh correctly. My only critique of the model however, is that she is not wearing a skirt or a petticoat to compliment the outfit. http://www.scottish-selection.com/tweb/ladies.htm |
| Posted by: Macfive 20-Nov-2001, 06:01 PM |
| Looks like you found some great sites on the kilt! Thanks for posting them on the forum so everyone can check them out! As far as what tartan to wear, it is appropriate for a person to wear any type of tartan color. There is no law or rule against a macdougal wearing a mcgregors tartan. In fact, many Scottish men would keep a number of kilts in their possesion when traveling in the very old days (1600's) because wearing a certain colored kilt could get them killed! My son and daughter Highland dance and they both wear kilts. My daughter wears the international purple tartan and my son wears the blue macrae of chondra. (he is a macarthur, but macrae colors look better on him for dancing). There are some differences in the attire for men and woman concerning kilts. I will look some things up and see if I can list out the differences on this topic. |
| Posted by: aklassie 20-Nov-2001, 11:18 PM |
| Here's a wounderful web site I found over a year ago. In it you'll find alot of info about tartans, history and such. I've found it most informative. Hope it helps. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/2897/index.html |
| Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 11:50 AM |
| Thank you for your replies! My main concern is that when I wear my Tartan with pride on National Tartan Day, that I do so in a way that is both proper and correct! I have found colors of Stewart Tartan (Hunting Stewart) that are appropirate for anyone named Stewart to wear - plus it matches the colors of my everyday wardrobe. I am not trying to seem too pretentious about what clothes to wear, etc., but since this is my first year of doing this, and I have precious little money to spend on such things, I want to make sure that I do it right, and then I can add to it with each passing year. At $45 per yard for tartan wool, this will be my first big investment. I am also a Civil War re-enactor, and I have decided to combine both hobbies into one if it is at all possible. So it becomes even more important to me about getting the appropriate accoutrements, as I have no desire to be labeled a *Farbee* or a *MacFarbee* as the case may be. That is one reason I am going to take lessons in Gaelic, as well, to improve my historic impression. I have found a VERY NICE Stewart Website from one of Highlander Radio's sponsors - Electric Scotland. There are many, many links to the various Stewart Organizations and such. http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/stoz/stewart.html Slainte, Janet |
| Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 07:50 PM |
| Excellent links, thanks aklassie and Scottish2! Whenever I do historical impressions I try to look into my own families' history first. There are many stories and many colorful characters in our families past, and I draw from them for my inspiration. For my Scottish immigrant impression, I portray the daughter of our first American immigrant who came to this continent as a stowaway on a sailing ship from Scotland. I imagine him as an ousted teenage Jacobite, forced to come across the sea on pain of death for refusing to put down his kilt and give up his freedom to the English overlords. As with movie making, there is only the barest outline of our family history so that I have virtually a blank slate upon which to build the characterization. The rest is RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH. I have to find the appropriate clothing for that time period, the appropriate daily living artifacts that might have been used, and the correct "mindset" for a woman living in that particular day and time. That is why I am intending to take an online course to learn Gaelic - I would imagine my great grandfather obstinately teaching Gaelic to his children in defiance of the King's wishes! Another good website to learn about living history is at http://www.historicaltrekking.com The hardest part is going to be finding the money to purchase a bolt of linen cloth to make our chemises and lienes (all handsewn of course) with!  |
| Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 08:56 PM |
| The online course that I plan to take is through the Dalriada Celtic Heritage Trust. I found them online, and through our correspondence, it is a program that teaches the actual use of the language, and not just bit and pieces of words and phrases. I use the online directories and dictionaries to learn a word or two of Gaelic, but that is not the same as being able to use it in any conversational sense of sommunication. It costs approximately $60 American dollars, which is comparable to similar begginer language courses that you might find. When I learn to speak Gaelic, I intend to teach others to speak it too! Dalriada Celtic Heritage Trust Taigh Arainn Glenartney Hotel Brodick Isle of Arran KA27 8BX Tel. 01770-302532 Email: [email protected] BTW, I really enjoy the Gaelic Proverb of the Day on the Highlander Radio Site. My grandparents used to mumble gibberish at one another now and again, and I think I am finally realizing what they were saying to one another! My character would have lived sometime between 1745 - 1800. This is Pre-Civil war, I know, but I can do Rev War Impressions too. |
| Posted by: kylassie 24-Nov-2001, 05:53 PM |
| I just KNEW that there had to be a Tartan Police somewhere out there... I found their website and a list of Tartan Dos and Tartan Donts  http://www.durham.net/~neilmac/gallery.htm Be careful how you wear your kilt - you never know who might send your photo to this website! Slainte, Janet |
| Posted by: kylassie 24-Nov-2001, 08:15 PM |
| Presisely why I don't want to make any gross Tartan errors - I would never be able to live it down! |
| Posted by: scottish2 25-Nov-2001, 10:33 AM |
| No Problem as I did start out I understand your feelings. It's just you sounded like you thought you'd end up on the 6 PM news being shown as the worst of show or something like that. So long as you're happy with it fine just want to make sure you're doing it for yourself and your family and not the wackos who want to try and judge others for how they choose to dress. Personally I think tartan police or similar type groups are wrong. instead of showing and pointing out mistakes on websites they should instead put together a website showing the right way of doing it that way people can learn the proper way not just see how bad someone else looks. I would like to see pictures of them dressed up I bet we could find something wrong with their get up as well if we tried hard enough. |
| Posted by: scottish2 25-Nov-2001, 04:16 PM |
| Yeah I hear you on tiny libraries. My local one isn't that good. I study tax law and can't even get a copy of the Federal Statutes our library is so small and even the Scottish area only has a couple books in it. They really need to expand their collection allot to make it worth it. Also hear you on hollyweird Good example of a movie is Braveheart while overall story is true it has been edited to meet hollyweirds standards not very accurate when you know the true history.On the description if you can if it's not to many pages why not Copy them and get the proper crdit info and we can post them on the site. With of course credit given to the proper people. If it's not to many pages. If you don't have a scanner or a friend who can scan them in for you I do have a scanner. |
| Posted by: scottish2 25-Nov-2001, 02:25 PM |
| You'd love where my mom use to volunteer. For about 15-20 years they had lived in Maine and she volunteered for about the last 5-6 years at the Joshua Chamberlin house in Brunswick Maine. They now live in Fredericksburg VA. they hit allot of the Civil War Historical Sites when they get the time. Seems to be a hobby of sorts for them though they aren't into reenacting themselves per say but they do goto such events when they get the chance. We went to one down here in Charleston SC about 7-8 years ago when they came for a visit was allot of fun. Got my wife a broach which she wears allot not the standard cameo but sort of an old fashion look to it is really neat. Also I noticed you found my forum. Left you a reply when you get a chance will explain the confusion. |
| Posted by: scottish2 25-Nov-2001, 06:44 PM |
| How many pages are we talking? If to many might be more trouble then it's worth to scan them all in. Depending on answer to first question might be best to start with most current and work our way backwards as most people would want to know what is acceptable at present. We can pin the topics in cronological order so they get in the right order and not buried some where in the pages as the board builds in topics. As for Scanned pages if your friend does this for you you can just either have him/her mail them to me ay [email protected] or you can mail them yourself and I can do them up in a web page of sorts where folks can read them for themselves. Obviously depends on how many pages and such don't want you to have to copy the entire book.
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| Posted by: scottish2 26-Nov-2001, 06:21 AM |
| IS your daughter finished with her report or still looking for material? If so what's the topic on maybe I can get some doo info for her to read. Can usually find anything I need when searching so... |
| Posted by: aklassie 26-Nov-2001, 08:08 PM |
| She's not finished with it yet. She has until the second week in Dec. She still needs stuff on economy, population, maps, and soom good photos that aren't copyrighted so she can print glossies. The report is for World History, they each had to pick a country. Of course she picked Scotland. In our family there's about 5 clans we are septs to. She gets it from both sides. She has to do a big display so the more she gets the better the grade. Any help she can get I know she would love. |
| Posted by: kylassie 18-Nov-2001, 10:28 AM |
| I am also interested in the most appropriate way to wear our Tartan - as I understand it, women should not wear kilts - this should be reserved for the bravest of men! I intend to wear our colors as an "arisaidh." Any comments regarding the appropriateness of this would also be greatly appreciated. http://207.233.128.59/arisaidh.htm |
| Posted by: scottish2 19-Nov-2001, 08:41 AM |
| Thanks Janet will have a look through. |
| Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 12:27 PM |
| Hi Janet Here are some links you might well be interested in then that have to do with Scots in the American Civil war or at least those reenactors who also have Scottish roots. http://www.ncwa.org/north.asp?unit=6 http://www.americancivilwar.org.uk/articles/gardener.htm http://webex.lib.ed.ac.uk/abstracts/peters01.pdf http://www2.h-net.msu.edu/~civwar/logs/archives/log9403/0018.html Not sure if any will help but at least at quick glance seems to have some connections between the Scots and the American Civil War. |
| Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 10:23 PM |
OK when I get chance tomorrow will have a quick search for that time frame and see what I can pull up am dead beat tonight. Spent last hour and 1/2 fiddling with your Uncle Joes picture. Had him all done when my system crashed had to start was scratch. Was just going to save him too when it crash  so this time I saved as I went. Wasn't hard just had to find the right pictures to go over the one from Electric Scotland. But was fun I like fiddling with graphics some though am not that good at it compared to some people who do graphics.Anywho if I don't see you all before tomorrow have a great Thanksgiving. And don't eat too much gobble gobble otherwise you might turn into one |
| Posted by: scottish2 25-Nov-2001, 06:27 AM |
| While I understand you feelings, but tell me why would you want to please anybody but yourself and your family? |
| Posted by: kylassie 25-Nov-2001, 10:15 AM |
| It is not the Tartan Police I want to try to please Scottish2. I am trying to please my family, but also to honor my ancestors. I know you are not religious, and I am not fanatical about it myself, but I can't help but imagine my great great great grand parents, sitting on the edge of their clouds looking down and asking "What the #### are they supposed to be dressed like? Who told them that we looked like that?" I want to honor my ancestors - not insult them! I will dress up and wear my "Sunday Best" to some events, naturaly, but when I wear the Tartan, I intend to do it correctly. Must be woolen, must be correct length, colors must at least be of correct threads - not the golden or silver tablecloth fabric found today. Must be worn correctly in that men wear kilts and ladies wear arisaidhs, and not vise versa. I am not a "kilt-snob" by any means, others may dress as they please, and more power to them, but I want to do mine correctly for my children. That is part of our Highland history and heritage that I am seeking to preserve. Think of it this way, when the Native Americans gather together for a pow-wow to honor their ancestors, they do it correctly. You will not see anyone except the tourists who will try to pass a Wal Mart Halloween get-up as an authentic Native American Dress. The real Native Americans' eagle feathers are actual eagle feathers and not pink and purple feather duster feathers. They do the best job that they know how to do, to keep their history and heritage alive for their children. It important to them, just like my Scots heritage is no less important to me. Does that help you to understand where my concern lies? It is not just about dressing for "show" it is about dressing for "real." Slainte, Janet |
| Posted by: kylassie 25-Nov-2001, 04:05 PM |
| Scottish2, I have been to the local library today, and I have found the third volume of Scottish material that they posses - I have read the other two. (very tiny library). It is called Tartans by Christian Hesketh (1961) and it contains 123 illustrations in color & black and white, of the Tartans and plaids and how they have been worn throughout the ages, and it gives a very good description regarding how kilts should be worn, and so on. It also says that they discourage women and girls from dressing up like men, and that they should wear frocks with tartan sashes or aisaids. Of course, this was 40 years ago, so the attitudes regarding women and kilts have probably changed since then, perhaps? I think that Hollywood has far too much influence on the history and heritage of any given culture. The Scottish re-enactment websites I have seen show women bearing a resemblence to either Braveheart Aristocratic "Princess" clothing, or to Xena Warrior Princess with leather and lace get ups. |
| Posted by: aklassie 26-Nov-2001, 04:34 AM |
| kylassie, I hope you do send the pages in. I for one would love to read what you have found. Like you I want to wear the right garb. Here in Fairbanks, Ak, our library is quite small also. My daughter has had a hard time getting her report on Scotland done. Thank God for the internet! ! Good luck can't waite to read what you send in. |