"The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose."
"I will teach my children weapons and warfare, so they might teach their children science and law, so they might teach their children art and literature."
"Jesus said, 'But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a sword must sell his cloak and buy one.'"
- Luke 22:36
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Most biblical scholars suggest that this was not to be taken literally, but a way of Jesus saying to his apostles after the last supper that enemies upon every side will assail them or to indicate they were at a time of extreme danger. Shortly after this passage, Jesus rebukes Peter for using the sword.
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Is beannaithe iad a shantaíonn an ceartas (Blessed are those who desire justice)
I included it because that is how it was written. One could determine that everything in the bible has a different meaning from what is written. Actually different meanings could be attributed to every passage and probably have so I suspect the wisest course is to take it for what it says.I have more of the biblical references. I have always understood that the rebuke was for the time at which Peter used the sword, not the "fact" that he used it. Peter was trying to change what was to be.
I have always understood that the rebuke was for the time at which Peter used the sword, not the "fact" that he used it. Peter was trying to change what was to be.
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A reasonable point. But I don't think Jesus is your best candidate for poster boy for the GOA.
I included it because that is how it was written. One could determine that everything in the bible has a different meaning from what is written. Actually different meanings could be attributed to every passage and probably have so I suspect the wisest course is to take it for what it says
Yes, God forbid that anything be "interpreted", even the Bible. Odd that the majority of your "gun" quotes are Biblical quotes or from an "unknown Greek". Any quotes having to do with guns in your gun quote thread?
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Yr hen Gymraeg i mi, Hon ydyw iaith teimladau, Ac adlais i guriadau Fy nghalon ydyw hi --- Mynyddog
"You can have my gun when you pry it from my paranoid, mentally disturbed, physically-abusive, cold, dead hand." - Bumper sticker
"Every gun that's made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms...is spending the genius of its scientists, the sweat of its laborers,” -- Dwight Eisenhower
Actually, when CC picked up some popularity after a change in the law, one of the early classes had a preacher three deacons and some of the parishioners from the same church. There were a number of discussions outside of the regular training about why they had decided to obtain licenses. The minister and deacons quoted a great amount of scripture to support their actions including those verses posted. The gist of their belief was that while it was not Christian to assault ones fellow man, it also was not christian to Fail to protect your family. They felt that their family included friends and parishioners and all of Gods people.
That same class also had a man in his late 70's, at least, who when I asked why he had decided to obtain a license said that he was concerned that one day soon he might need a firearm to go to the grocery store and get back home This was while the world economies were still booming.
All present had interesting reasons for their decision but the most wrenching was the young lady who had been assaulted by her male friend and nearly killed 5 years earlier. He was about to be released and she was terrified.
Actually, when CC picked up some popularity after a change in the law, one of the early classes had a preacher three deacons and some of the parishioners from the same church. There were a number of discussions outside of the regular training about why they had decided to obtain licenses. The minister and deacons quoted a great amount of scripture to support their actions including those verses posted. The gist of their belief was that while it was not Christian to assault ones fellow man, it also was not christian to Fail to protect your family. They felt that their family included friends and parishioners and all of Gods people.
You can find Biblical verses to justify about any position you wish to take on any issue. So what. The thread (which you started) is entitled "gun control quotes" not "Biblical quotes cherrypicked to justify a position on guns with an occasional anonymous Greek person thrown in to add dubious authority by his ancient greekness". Just thought I'd clarify that.
"There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period."
- Ted Nugent
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