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Posted by: Camac 31-Mar-2009, 07:46 AM
As quite a few of you know about the insulting Fox News show with Greg Gutfeld I thought it would be appropriate to open a New Thread to tell all who are intersested about my country, Canada, you know the Northern part of the North American Continent. The part where we all live in Igloos and ski all year round, oh yeah and keep Polar Bears for pets. This is not going to be a thread that turns into a contest of whose is better or what system is better just one where anyone can ask questions or make comments about your Neighbours just up the road from you. I will start it off with a small quiz;

1. What is the Capital of Canada?

2. What does the name Canada mean?

3. How many Provinces and Territories make up Canada?

4. What system of Government do we have?

5. What is our Head of Government called?

6. What is Tim Horton's?


Camac.






Posted by: InRi 31-Mar-2009, 09:40 AM
Hi Camac,

I'll try to answer:

1) Ottawa (that's simple)
2) The name Canada traced back to the term for "village or settlement - kanata" in the language of the St. Lorenz Iroquois - (I learned this in the school almost 30 years ago...)
3) 13 (I'm not really sure...)
4) Formal is Canada a constitutional monarchy within the Commonwealth of Nations with the Queen Elisabeth II. as the head of state - represented by a governor-general. Canada is also a parliamentary democracy, organized as a confederation.
5) The Prime-Minister (since 2006 Stephen Harper)
6) Tim Horton's is the name of a Canadian Fastfood restaurant chain.

Okay, okay the last question I googled... wink.gif

May I give the questions back? (about Austria)
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6. What is a "Manner"? (I don't mean the English word "manner")

Best regards

Ingo

Posted by: Camac 31-Mar-2009, 09:54 AM
Inri;

You got them all right. About Tim Hortons it is more a coffee and donut shop but fast food is close enough. Per Capita Canadians drink more coffee than anyone else. thumbs_up.gif

Austria: "Manner" is a confectionary company that makes sweets . (I had to look it up on Wikipedia).

(Weise ist ein Unternehmen das Su{ss}waren Su{ss}igkeiten)


Camac.

Posted by: Harlot 31-Mar-2009, 11:05 AM
Camac, I see I would fit right in with you Canadians I wub.gif coffee,I can drink pots of all be myself and still go to bed at night with no problem. So if you could do something about the snow (I have that here ) Polar Bears and the Igloos I might move there and drink more coffee with poeple who enjoy it as much as I do!

Posted by: Camac 31-Mar-2009, 11:28 AM
Harlot;

The snow I can't to anything about, sorry. As to loving coffee Canadians drink so much coffee we even invented a term for one type; "DOUBLEDOUBLE" two creams, two sugars. It is even recognized in the Dictionary. You have Starbucks we have Tom Horton's named after the NHL star that died in a car crash (of his own causing).



Camac.

Posted by: valpal59 31-Mar-2009, 12:41 PM
Thank you for starting this thread, Camac. I confess that I do not know very much about Canada, but would like to learn. Hubby and I have always wanted to do a fishing trip.

Val

Posted by: Camac 31-Mar-2009, 12:58 PM
valpal59;

I hope that my fellow Canadians on the Forum will get involved and between us we can tell you all about the country we call Home and Love.


Camac.

PS: I haven't fished in years but I'm sure some of the others have and we do have some damn fine fishing.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 31-Mar-2009, 07:43 PM
Well of course your fellow Canadians members will get involved Camac ...what do you think?

And yes Canada is the best country of the world to live in for sure.
Though I cannot speak much about all the Quebecers I'm sure that most of them except maybe those "separatists" fanatics unsure.gif , would say that it is the greatest place.

Freedom and different cultures living all together makes it even more appealing.

Though I haven't been to the west provinces yet I can tell you a bit about here in Quebec and later on the fantastic and my favorite place the Maritimes in particular the Province of Nova Scotia. Been in Ontario as well as there is a few beautiful places around the Great Lakes and of course the diversity of Toronto.

If one is interested in visiting one of the nicest city of the Province of Quebec...it's the capital of course...Quebec City...though still relatively young it reveals a lot about the history of the French colonials and the architecture still inspire artist from around the world.

Here is a bit of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_City history and it's humble beginnings and what it has become.

Enjoy!

LOA smile.gif

Posted by: valpal59 31-Mar-2009, 09:15 PM
Thanks for the link Lady Of Avalon. I will check it out more closely tomorrow.

Val

Posted by: sisterknight 31-Mar-2009, 09:24 PM
well meself living on the island of montreal in the province of quebec...yes the parliment of quebec was here first before the great fire that destroyed them...montreal is considered to be one of the most european flavoured cities in quebec, we have more types of festivals and churches than most any other province...especially churches!!!as for fishing...well let's just say that the best place to fish is in new brunswick...which is one province further to the east....the people in new brunswick are well there are so many different words that come to mind, generous, kind, friendly, helpful, giving....laid back, same as those in pei...that would be prince edward island, another island, but they have beautiful red earth and beaches.....oh i could go on....needless to say i too love the maritimes.... laugh.gif

Posted by: Camac 01-Apr-2009, 06:51 AM
LOA;SisterKnight;

This is great. Thanks for joining in. I hope I can count on the both of you to provide Historical and Culture information on "La Belle Provence" (Quebec) Now if we can get oldraven involved that would cover the Eastern part of Our Land. Maybe Leelee will join us from the West and Piobmohrpiper can pitch in with me about Ontario. I live in the Town of Oakville (which is a misnomer as their are 160,000 people here) about 40km west of Toronto ( Algonquin for The Meeting Place" Canadas' largest and most diverse city, population 3 1/2 million. In fact Toronto is the most Multicultural City in North America. You name the country and somebody from there lives here. There is so much we all can tell about Our Home and its History from the Vikings to John Cabot, Jaques Cartier, Champlain, de Lesalle, Raddison, Acadia, New France, Upper and Lower Canada, Riel, Papineau, John A.MacDonald, and Laurier. The stories of Quebec and the Maritimes could take a year to tell. Our History is rich and diverse and not so peaceful as most would think. Let's have some fun and maybe learn something from each other or for that matter anyone who wishes to get involved.


Camac cheers.gif pepsi.gif

Posted by: InRi 01-Apr-2009, 11:31 AM
Hi Camac and all involved friends
Thank you for starting this thread. I'm sure, I'll learn a lot about your beautiful country - by firsthand accounts. wink.gif

I have to admit that I am railroad enthusiast too and of course I read something about the Canadian railways. Unfortunately is the reading material about it rather rare here in Europe... Some time ago I watched a half-hour-reportage about a voyage by "The Canadian" across Canada (I think it is THE train there in Canada) - a voyage in it must be awesome! I saw in a (railroad-)periodical fascinating photos of modern Canadian trains. I can imagine that the railways in the past (and today?) played a major role in development of your country. If it is possible for you I want to know more about it. If you have advices to get something to read (or watch) I were very thankful.

I'm looking forward to the Canada-thread.

Best regards

Ingo

Posted by: oldraven 01-Apr-2009, 11:36 AM
I'm pleased to chime in, Camac. Being from Nova Scotia, and having lived in Alberta for six years, I've had a chance to experience some of the diversity of this nation. Though, not much of that cultural diversity was here at home. We're a fairly well defined group, between the UK descendants and the Acadians, (how ironic is it that my UK English spell checker doesn't recognise the word 'Acadians'?), so most exposure to other cultures and people happened after I moved to Dartmouth NS, then far more in Edmonton. I can literally count the number of kids I went to school with (through to the end of College) that weren't of Western European decent on one hand. It was a major culture shock getting out there.

I've been to every province but Newfoundland, and plan on going there for the Targa race next summer. http://www.targanewfoundland.com/ (Check it out! It's quickly becoming a world class event, with racers from every corner.) My stints in Saskatchewan and Manitoba consist of driving non-stop. Saskatchewan for no more than 12 hours both times. I haven't seen any of the Territories, and I don't suspect I ever will. It just seems to be a long way to go to see tundra.

I'm a Large Three-n-One (with milk) kind of guy, myself. Three milk, one sugar. I used to be an Extra Large Four-n-One (with cream) drinker, but realised that I was going to kill myself that way, or turn into butter. My father in law drinks a medium Double-Double with milk, and I don't know how he can stand the syrup. As you can see, any group of Canadians could spark up a conversation about how they like their Timmies, and it could easily go on for half an hour.

Fishing! I'm not a fisherman. I've caught two fish in my entire life. One lake trout when I was about eleven, and one more when I first moved back home from Alberta, on a Fishing Derby with my Dad and Cousin. Of course, I don't count Perch. I don't know if anyone outside of Newfoundland eats Perch.

Harlot, if you don't like snow, may I suggest the Vancouver Delta or Island? They get as much snow as Washington State, which isn't much on the coast. Though I hope you like rain, because they get more precipitation than the rest of us even without the wet stuff. Less of a winter, and more of a rainy season.

And Camac, you're so right. Our history is quite bloody, and I think the necessity of having to get along with each other (English/French) has everything to do with our more modern day peaceful national personality. Laid back Nova Scotia has seen nothing but battle after battle since Britain first began contesting for the East Coast. The region of Acadia, which consisted Eastern Quebec or the Gaspe, New England (all the way to Philadelphia), New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Nova Scotia, has seen as much or more fighting than any other region of Canada, and Nova Scotia in particular (the Acadian Peninsula) was passed back and forth numerous times before Britain finally expelled the Acadians. Thankfully, many came back. It was an unnecessary move, in my opinion, since most Acadians did not see themselves as being part of France at the time, but simply Acadians. Especially when the expulsion happened, since most were used to switching allegiances every so many years.

People often think of upper and lower Canada (Ontario/Quebec) or Riel's Rebellion in the Postage Stamp Province, Manitoba, as the most bloody times in the formation of our country, but it was here where the fighting hardly ever stopped. Even without the battles between Britain and France, the fighting raged between New Brunswick/Nova Scotia and New England and all the way down the Eastern Seaboard (after the Revolution). If you ever wondered why Holywood Pirates always have a loose kind of Irish Accent, look no farther. wink.gif That would be from the Privateer days, where Maritime fishermen took to the seas with their letters of Mark from the King, to loot US ships and raid the coast, and they returned the favour here almost as much. It also played a large part in the French Indian war.

Posted by: InRi 01-Apr-2009, 11:45 AM
Sorry, Camac I forgot something...

Principially you are right. Manner is a company that makes sweets (predominant wafers - filled with different creams as hazelnut, chocolate but also lemon cream) but you say here in Austria usually a "Manner" if you mean a filled wafer generally. (By the way, this factory isn't far from here - only 6 km from my home - in Perg)

Sorry - off topic -

Ingo

Posted by: Camac 01-Apr-2009, 12:59 PM
oldraven & Inri;

Inri:- I don't think there would be a Canada as we know it if not for the Railroad. When British Columbia joined Confereration it was with the guarantee that it would be linked to the East by rail. Thus was born The Canadian Pacific Railway running from Montreal to Vancouver. Then came the Canadian National Railway which ran from Montreal to Vancouver also but by a more northern route. C.P.R. was a private company while C.N.R. was the National Railway , a Crown Corporation. Both these lines to-day carry only freight no passengers.That is left to another Crown Corporation called ViaRail an amalgamation of the two old passenger services. If you want to find out about the building of the Railroad in Canada I would suggest you read "The National Dream and The Last Spike by Pierre Burton.


oldraven:- Welcome my friend, you have me beat on provinces as I have not been in Nfld/Lab. or B.C but I have been in the Territories, Yukon and the eastern part of the NWT.before it became Nunavut. My Dad worked on all three Radar lines back in the 50s' and 60's and I went to visit him. Where I was was nothing but Tundra the only settlements were the construction camps. I loved it. The history of the Maritimes is mostly forgotten in the rest of Canada with the exception of the Acadian Expulsion. That though if I remember correctly was most caused by pressure from the New Englanders. Our loss was Americas gain with the Cajuns.
As I have mentioned before I think we can have fun with this and learn from each other and maybe give our American Cousins some insight as to why we are who we are.


Camac.

Posted by: sisterknight 01-Apr-2009, 01:34 PM
did i hear double-doubles mentioned????did you know that the province of new brunswick drinks the most timmies???not only that but the rollll up the rim has more prizes for that province than an other....this is a fact folks!! cheers.gif

Posted by: Camac 01-Apr-2009, 01:50 PM
sisterknight;

Did you know that Hamilton Ontario, population 490,280 has more Tim Hortons' than any other city. Corporate Headquarters is here in Oakville and Wendy's is the parent company now.


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 01-Apr-2009, 05:43 PM
Antigonish, with a population of around 5,000, has three Tim Hortons. It also has two stoplights on the Trans Canada Highway (for the time being).

We really are obsessed about our Timmies, aren't we?

Posted by: Camac 01-Apr-2009, 06:09 PM
oldraven;

Yeah enough of Coffee.. Lets get back to the topic at hand. Like why we are what we are.

One of the most common things that makes us different from our cousins is language. We both speak English but we spell different ways and we call the same things by different names.

American:-Trash
Cdn.:- Garbage
American:- Gutters
Cdn:- Eavestrough
American:- Aluminum
Cdn:- Aluminium
American:- Cement
Cdn:- Concrete. (To us Cement is the powder that Concrete is made from.)

We're Metric they are not and before we were Metric we were Imperial. They don't put vinegar on there fries we do.They have dollar bills , we have the Loonie coin. America stopped using 2 dollar bills years ago we didn't and then gave them
up for the Toonie coin. Also all American money is Green where ours is a different
colour for each Denomination. I'm sure there are many other small differences but I can't think of them just now.


Camac.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 01-Apr-2009, 06:27 PM
QUOTE (InRi @ 01-Apr-2009, 12:31 PM)
Hi Camac and all involved friends
Thank you for starting this thread. I'm sure, I'll learn a lot about your beautiful country - by firsthand accounts. wink.gif

I have to admit that I am railroad enthusiast too and of course I read something about the Canadian railways. Unfortunately is the reading material about it rather rare here in Europe... Some time ago I watched a half-hour-reportage about a voyage by "The Canadian" across Canada (I think it is THE train there in Canada) - a voyage in it must be awesome! I saw in a (railroad-)periodical fascinating photos of modern Canadian trains. I can imagine that the railways in the past (and today?) played a major role in development of your country. If it is possible for you I want to know more about it. If you have advices to get something to read (or watch) I were very thankful.

I'm looking forward to the Canada-thread.

Best regards

Ingo

Hi InRi,

Here are some links for you to look at.

Though travelling Canada is considered a unique experience it is very different than travelling Europe by train. One Europeeans countries are much smaller and to get from one destination to another is much faster whereas here is it costly and a very long trip. Especially if one travel from East to West.

As you know Canada like the U.S is a big large country and if one consider travelling the whole distance from East to West...we have 6 time zone...

And Camac is right... The Canadian National Railways was a passenger train before and now is only freight.

So here are the links for you.

http://www.viarail.ca/

http://www.canadiantrainvacations.com/

http://www.seat61.com/Canada.htm

Good reading!!!

LOA smile.gif

Posted by: Harlot 01-Apr-2009, 07:58 PM
I would really like too try one (maybe more then one) of the Double-Double. Please

Posted by: Camac 01-Apr-2009, 08:05 PM
Harlot;

If your close to Sarnia or Windsor and have a passport just cross over and ask for the nearest Tim Hortons'. Order a Large, small or Medium Double Double and some Timbits and enjoy.


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 02-Apr-2009, 05:14 AM
Tim Hortons actually has a count of 520 stores in the US now. http://www.timhortons.com/us/locator/index.html

This is the first time I've seen the trip planner, and it's quite funny, and shows just how desperate we are for their Java. The idea is to be able to plan your road trips around Tim Hortons locations, so you can always have a Timmies in your hand. You can choose how far from your route you want to be redirected. laugh.gif

Yes, enough Timmie talk! wink.gif

QUOTE
The history of the Maritimes is mostly forgotten in the rest of Canada with the exception of the Acadian Expulsion. That though if I remember correctly was most caused by pressure from the New Englanders. Our loss was Americas gain with the Cajuns.
As I have mentioned before I think we can have fun with this and learn from each other and maybe give our American Cousins some insight as to why we are who we are.

Camac


Yes, it was over pressure from New England. And for good reason. The Crown was passing this hat (Nova Scotia) back and forth with France like it was bought with a basket of herring, but the people in New England (moreso in Virginia) paid in blood (it was once given as a wedding gift to a member of French Royalty, a Prince, I believe). They were fighting with the French and Natives over this land, after gaining control of New England, and it wasn't just soldiers dying. Village raids were not uncommon at all. Later on, during a British occupation, Scalping raids would happen regularly, and it prompted a retaliation where the Crown was paying for scalps taken by Brits of the Natives. That's right, we were scalping the Indians just as much as they were us, and we were getting paid for it. One of the darker truths about the forming of this region.

Sure, the French got along and co-operated with the Natives, and that's the way it was always portrayed, but they also rallied them up to fight and attack the British soldiers and in turn became a target. They essentially set them up for genocide. In my opinion, they're still paying for being our enemy by the sheer existence of archaic treaties (living in reservations on the worst land that could possibly have been found). It is a form of Apartheid, make no mistake about it.

Camac, I wonder about that 'Aluminium' fact all the time. It's written in our Dictionary this way, but have you ever actually heard a Canadian say "al-yew-MINI-um", or like they do in the US, "ah-LOO-min-um"? Again, this is a case of us becoming Americanised by mainstream media. I don't even think our own news agencies use the word Aluminium. Even our accents have become more Americanised in the last 50 to 100 years. This is very evident when you hear old news clips, or even talk to elderly people in the area. We're al turning into California, if you get what I mean. wink.gif

Posted by: Camac 02-Apr-2009, 06:10 AM
oldraven;

Scalping raids were quite common on bothsides even after the French and Indian War (Seven Years War) it was divide and conquer keeping the tribal rivalry alive and well.

Your right about "aluminium" I have met very few of us who use it. Our form of the English Language is protected by a Law that was passed decades ago but it has seemed to have fallen by the wayside. Our way of speaking is slowly becoming Americanized because of the massive influence of American Culture we get from T.V. and the movies. I'm afraid soon it will be indistinguishable although many Americans I have met , even recently, claim we say oot, aboot, hoose, instead of out, about, and house. I blame the Education System for not pushing our way of speaking or spelling. It seems that teachers now adays just can't be bothered and of course they are also influenced by what they see on TV and movies.


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 02-Apr-2009, 06:24 AM
OH! Don't get me started on the 'Aboot' thing! rolleyes.gif

This is a great piece of Canadian cultural education. No Canadians pronounce the word 'about' as 'ah-BOOT'. None! We do pronounce it different, but not like you would think. We say 'ah-BOAT', as in "What are you getting to the island in?", not "What's that high sided shoe like thing on your left foot?" wink.gif I've even had some Americans argue with me that we do say it this way, and they talked to a guy in Saskwamitchamoot who said it that way. No, with all due respect, you didn't. Like I stated in my first post, I've been to almost every province in this nation, and talked with enough Newfies to know their accent, and not one person from any one of them said 'ah-BOOT' unless they were talking about solitary footwear.

Posted by: Camac 02-Apr-2009, 07:02 AM
oldraven;

Each part of Canada has its' own dialect and colloquialisms I have a older chap in the building from one of the outports in Nfld/Lab. and I have trouble sometimes understanding him and I'm sure he has trouble understanding me. When I was living in the States for 6 years there were certain accents I had a helluva time understanding, especially the ones from the deep south or western states. There is an anchor woman on CTVNews Net, Cindy something, and to me she sounds just like she were on CNN.


Camac.


Posted by: oldraven 02-Apr-2009, 07:40 AM
Not that long ago, the dialects in Newfoundland were very diverse. From one village to the next (literally the next) they would have different words for the same item or act. The Rock afforded so much isolation, before major highways were built, that they would rarely even speak with people from neighbouring communities. To this day, certain communities are still waiting for a highway to be built to their area.

Posted by: InRi 02-Apr-2009, 10:34 AM
Hi LoA, Hi Camac

thank you very much for your advices/links.

Camac, I checked your advice and I saw that these books (The National dream/The last spike) are available in the amazon-shop here. Beautiful... there's something to read for me - in English of course wink.gif
QUOTE (Lady-of-Avalon @ 01-Apr-2009, 01:27AM)
Though travelling Canada is considered a unique experience it is very different than travelling Europe by train. One Europeeans countries are much smaller and to get from one destination to another is much faster whereas here is it costly and a very long trip. Especially if one travel from East to West.

I watched the links too and I was surprised a little bit - the prices for a voyage in the "Canadian" by the way are less expensive as I thought...
... and of course it must be an unique experience. Exactly this so attractive for me... There are a fistful countries worldwide only where such train voyages are possible - and I think the "Canadian version" of these long distance train trips is the most beautiful.
Somewhere in this forum I wrote, that a trip by train in Canada is one of my dreams. I can affirm this only.

Best regards

Ingo

Posted by: Camac 02-Apr-2009, 12:47 PM
Inri;

In the Autumn Algoma central Railroad runs tours through the Agawa Canyon just northwest of Sault Ste. Marie at the entrance to Lake Superior the website is :-www.agawacanyon.com/ColorTours. It goes through the canyon when the leaves are turning and is the most beautiful spectacular sight ever. You can fly to Calgary and take the train through the Rockies to Vancouver either through Rodgers Pass ot Kicking Horse Pass and down the Fraser Valley. At least twice a year I take the train to Brockville about three hours East of Oakville to visit cousins and I love the ride. Nothing spectacular but relaxing and enjoyable. When I was stationed in Germany my family and I travelled everywhere by Train.

Camac


Posted by: sisterknight 02-Apr-2009, 08:16 PM
inri

another beautiful trip by train would be the bras d'or train....

Posted by: Camac 03-Apr-2009, 07:05 AM
valpal59;

I am pleased that you are interested in learning about Canada and I and my fellow Canadian Posters will do our best to inform you and anyone about Our Land.
To start, Canada is a Constitutional Monarchy within a Parliamentary Government.
That means that Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is our Head of State. It is purely symbolic as she is also Head of State to most Commonwealth countries. She is represented in Canada by a Govenor General (Vice Regal) who up until just after WWII was usually some British Lord appointed by the Crown. That changed in the early 50s' when the Canadian Government appointed Vincent Massey the first born Canadian to the position. Since then all GGs have been Canadian Citizens. There are no Peers, Lords or Aristocracy in Canada as that was forbbiden in 1929 by Act of Parliament. No Canadian Citizen may accept a Peerage and keep his/her citizenship. Our Parlianment is made up of two Houses, The Commons that is elected and the Senate that is appointed. The Senate is called "The Place of Sober Second Thought" but really has no power to make laws just recommend or ammend. It is the same with the Queen and GG, they can only advise, consent, recommend and suggest.The Commons is the Supreme Authority in Canada. Our political system is very different from yours as we do not vote for any individual but for the Party. There are four major political parties here, Conservative (Republican) Liberal (Democrats), New Democrats (Socialist), and the Bloc Qubecois, (Regional Seperatist Party from Quebec) whichever party gains the most seats in Parliament forms the government and the leader of that Party (who is elected in a Party Convention)becomes Prime Minister. The Prime Minister and all Cabinet Ministers must be elected and hold a seat in Parliament. All Judges, Magistrates, and Justice of Peace are appointed not elected. We do not have District Attorneys but Crown Prosecutors. Our Criminal Law is National in that it is under the Federal Govenments Purview and the same in all Provinces and Territories.
So there is a little abridged Primer on our system. It is not perfect but it seems to work pretty good.


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 03-Apr-2009, 08:56 AM
That's a good assesment, Camac, but I do want to point out that we do vote for representatives, and not for a party. We simply don't vote for our leader. We vote for our local MP (Member of Parliament) and that seat goes to a national tally of seats to see which party wins the election. The problem is, most people in the country do see it as a party race, not a representative's race. This is an issue, because many people will vote based on what the PM hopefuls have to say, and not what the person they're actually voting for has to say. You could be thinking you're voting for one policy, but may end up voting for another (not all members of a caucus have to have the same stance on every issue). I wish more people did think this way, because it would be a true representation of their ideals in the House of Commons.

That being said, I'd like to elaborate on what you said about our ministers and PM needing to be elected in their riding. If the party leader (the MP who is in the running to be Prime Minister) does not win in his/her riding, they aren't in the Government, even if their party gets the majority of seats. When that happens, the party caucus must pick a new leader, and essentially appoint a Prime Minister. Also of note is the fact that because the Caucus chooses their leader, there is no such thing as a Leader's Race, like they have in the USA.

Posted by: Camac 03-Apr-2009, 09:10 AM
oldraven;

Two things. Your right about voting I remember years ago when you got your ballot only the name of the Candidate was on it no party now it has the name and the party. Also if the leader of a party does not get a seat in Parliament he/she can wait for a by-election and get Parachuted in. Usually its a safe riding where the party has persuaded their winner to step aside and let the Leader run. It just happend here in Ontario with the Conservative Leader John Tory. For 18 months he had no seat. The Conservative persauded a member in a rural riding to step aside and let Tory run. He lost again and resigned as Party Leader.


Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 04-Apr-2009, 01:45 PM
Aye, yes here I am biggrin.gif Leelee from Western Canada thumbs_up.gif Yes, Canada is a beautiful country far and wide. We're brave, we're strong and we're free biggrin.gif

I have yet to discover more of my neighbouring Provinces, although I am hesitant to visit the Northern Territories. unsure.gif I have had the pleasure to adventure Victoria Island, Interior British Columbia, Alberta (of course) and Saskatchewan. Ah, yes I have yet to take the Train; not counting the one in Fort Edmonton Park (for part of the tour). Hopefully in the near future I'll have the opportunity to visit the Eastern Provinces and Coast smile.gif

I love the mountains as you can tell from my photo album, beautiful lakes, great fishing and hiking trails. Helicopter tours for a birdseye view (did that in Saskatchewan for the first time, absolutely awesome view wink.gif ).

The fishing is great on Pierce Lake (Meadow Lakes Provincial Parks) in Saskatchewan. Many lakes to choose from and plenty of camping spots available, cottages too. Pierce Lake was my first experience seeing a full grown Bull Moose and I might add, quite close. We were in a fishing in a small boat being very quiet and he was among the reeds close to the bank. My heart was hammering.....I knew moose were big, but eek.gif I tell ya, he was one big mother!!!! Anyhow back to the fishing.....you can catch Northern Pike, Walleye, Yellow Perch, Rainbow Trout, Lake Trout, Brown Trout, Arctic Grayling and others. I had my first Helicopter tour at Pierce Lake; the scenery is breathtaking and the Lakes are bountiful thumbs_up.gif

Another great place to fish is Nanoose Bay just outside of Parksville, Victoria Island, B.C. Again many Camping Spots, Hotels, B & Bs, Cottages etc. We have chartered a boat a few times to fish for Salmon in the Georgia, Strait. Now Ocean fishing is much different than Lake fishing. The water is much rougher where we caught fish down-rigging. Closer to the Island there are the serene, still waters to fish in.....verra nice biggrin.gif

I didn't care for Parksville as a town; we stayed in a B & B outside of the township.
I have more to share and shall return. I will try to post some links for some of these great places. TTFN smile.gif thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Camac 05-Apr-2009, 08:20 AM
Leelee;

When I started this post I said I didn't want it to be a contest about who is better. I should have also said I didn't want it to be a Travelouge. Canada is a big country, 2nd largest in the World, and each and every part of it has breathtaking scenery but that is not Who we are. Granted the Geography of the Land helped to shape us.
The diversity of the country moulded the diversity of the people. Fishermen to the coasts, lumbermen to the great forests, the trappers and miners to the north. The coalmen to the Maritimes, the farmers, cattlemen, and oilmen to the Prairies,the manufacturers to the areas around the Great Lakes. All this and more shaped our History, Politics, and Culture. The Hudson Bay Company opened this land with the trappers seeking the Beaver and the Explorers mapping the routes. The Canadian Pacific Railroad linked the Country to-gether and brought British Columbia into
Conferderation. It carried the settlers to farm the Great Plains and make Canada one of the largest wheat producers in the World. It carried that wheat to the ports on each coast and the lakehead to be sold and shipped. All along its route towns and villages sprang up, some to become cities and with the cities came new immigrants and prosperity. As the settlers moved West they were met by the North West Mounted Police who carried and enforced the Law. In Canada there was no Wild West as depicted by Hollywood. Thats not to say that it was always peaceful, but that is for further discussion.

I would like those who read this thread to ask questions and discuss Why we are Who we are. This thread is to inform people that we are part of the World and should not be ignored or marginalized. Canada in its brief History has accomplished many great and important things and should be recognized.


Camac.

Posted by: valpal59 05-Apr-2009, 11:15 AM
Camac,
O.K. now I feel stupid. I did not realize that Canada was that big in agriculture. I live in an area that relies on agriculture to exist. Wheat is also our top crop. Corn is our next big crop then cotton, soybeans and sunflowers. Cattle is also big here.
Again, thank you for starting this topic. thumbs_up.gif

Val

Posted by: Camac 05-Apr-2009, 11:46 AM
valpal

The province of Prince Edward Island has been referred to as "The 100,000 Acre Potato Farm. We grow, wheat, barley, alphalfa. rye, corn. potatoes, apples (the MacIntosh was developed here), peaches, pears, plumbs, strawberries, raspberries, grapes, carrotts, tomatos, cabbage, and turnips (rutabagas). Canada is very diverse in its' agriculture. The Niagara Peninsula in Ontario is World renowned for its' Wines . Ice Wine was first developed there. The Annapolis Valley in Nova Scotia and the Oakanogan Valley in British Columbia are know for their Apples. Just North of Toronto on the way to Barrie you pass through the Holland Marsh, a hugh swamp that was drained by Dutch immigrants just after WWII and is one BIG Veggie Farm and I mean BIG. We don't grow Oranges or Grapefruit, or Bananas but if it was warm enough we could and would.


Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 05-Apr-2009, 02:07 PM
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Camac Posted on 05-Apr-2009, 08:20 AM
Leelee;

When I started this post I said I didn't want it to be a contest about who is better. I should have also said I didn't want it to be a Travelouge. Canada is a big country, 2nd largest in the World, and each and every part of it has breathtaking scenery but that is not Who we are.


Gotcha Camac smile.gif Okay I shall start with a bit of History of Fort Edmonton.....

Fort Edmonton and Fort Augustus



The fur trade rivalry between the North West Company (NWC) and the Hudson’s Bay Company (HBC) directly contributed to the development of Fort Edmonton on the north bank of the North Saskatchewan River. When the NWC aggressively moved inland to capture French-Canadian fur trade territory, the HBC countered by establishing trading posts in direct opposition. In 1792, when the NWC built Fort George on the North Saskatchewan River, the HBC built another post, Buckingham House, right beside them. In the summer of 1795, under the orders of Angus Shaw of the NWC, John McDonald of Garth, James Hughes and crew, built Fort Augustus, three kilometres north of present-day Fort Saskatchewan. The following autumn, William Tomison (Inland Master and also in charge at Buckingham House) sent his men up to build the first Fort Edmonton, at the mouth of Sturgeon River, a "musket-shot" away from Fort Augustus.

Fort Edmonton was named by Tomison for Edmonton, Middlesex, England, the place of residence of the Lake family, no less than five of whom were influential members of the HBC Committee between 1697 and 1807.

Soon after the establishment of Fort Augustus and Edmonton House, an additional two posts were created in the same vicinity by the competing XY Company and Ogilvie’s. In this period of bitter rivalry, the smaller forts survived only a short time. Between the autumn of 1795 and 1799, the NWC and HBC established two more dual sites along the upper North Saskatchewan between Rocky Mountain House and modern Edmonton. The NWC’s Boggy Hall was countered by the HBC’s Pembina House; and the NWC’s Whitemud House was countered by the HBC’s Nelson House. Neither location became important in trade history.

Rocky Mountain House, established in 1799, when the NWC built Rocky Mountain House and the HBC countered with Acton House, was the last in the chain of dual posts throughout the prairies. Both companies made one attempt at establishing posts out in the plains, building Chesterfield Houses at the junction of the Red Deer and South Saskatchewan Rivers. The posts lasted a mere two years and were never rebuilt.

Initially, both Fort Augustus and Fort Edmonton were quite successful at producing good trade returns. In 1797, as many as 12,512 beaver furs were traded at Fort Edmonton. Nonetheless, by 1800, the volume of furs traded started to drop. Such a steady decline in trading was common in many areas since posts usually exploited the fur resources in their immediate area. Another reason for moving trading posts was the consumption of all available firewood and timbers for building within range of their transportation. In 1801, both the NWC and HBC decided to move approximately 30 kilometres upstream. The new location was a river flat that had been used as a camping and meeting place for thousands of years, now known as the Rossdale Flats in central Edmonton.

In 1810, both posts moved to the mouth of the White Earth Creek near modern Smoky Lake, where they remained for two years. By 1813, both posts were back on the North Saskatchewan, at the Rossdale Flats site. The site was on the border of territory disputed over by the Cree and Blackfoot peoples. Better still, the area lay at the meeting point of territory patrolled by the Blackfoot to the south and the Cree, Dene, and Assiniboine to the north.

After the amalgamation of the NWC and HBC in 1820, the name Fort Augustus was dropped and fur trade operations were centralized in Fort Edmonton. The post was soon selected as district headquarters for the North Saskatchewan region. Despite its new designation, Fort Edmonton kept its responsibilities for trade, transport and provisioning to fulfill in its own area. Fort Edmonton was a provisioning post, responsible for much of the pemmican and both dried and fresh meat consumed by traders and employees in the Athabasca region as well as the brigades in the Saskatchewan region. The post garden, a common feature of HBC posts, became increasingly important as the number of employees, their families and the support community continued to grow.

John Rowand was appointed Chief Trader shortly after the amalgamation of the NWC and the HBC. When the Rossdale Flats flooded twice between 1825 and 1830, Rowand decided to move his post to higher ground. The new Fort Edmonton on the river terrace was not completed until 1832, and its most imposing feature was the "Big House" or "Rowand’s Folly" as some called it. At three stories tall and containing sixteen rooms, including a ballroom and a men’s mess, Rowand’s House was acknowledges as the most expensive home west of Fort York. Today there is a replica at the Fort Edmonton Park.

The Fort, itself, was described in an early 20th century newspaper article as having high pickets and bastions and battlemented gateways, all enclosing an area 310 feet by 210 feet. The palisades were eighteen feet high and on the inside featured a high gallery, with a blockhouse on each corner. The stockade was still in place in 1887. On three sides were large gates, the one facing the river called the "Indian Gate". Accounts differ in their description of this feature. Some describe it as so small that one person could only enter by stooping. Other descriptions have a narrow door inset in the gate.

Perhaps no individual is as closely associated with the history of this post as John Rowand. He was a remarkable figure: tough, egotistical but an excellent trader and administrator. He was liked by many Aboriginal people, and respected by the rest. Company employees found him tough, but they respected and probably feared him a bit too. Rowand commanded Edmonton until his death in 1854. One story of his death claimed that he suffered a stroke while berating his son. He was replaced by William Christie, who served at the fort from 1858 to 1872.

The position of Edmonton as administrative center of the provisioning posts, and as one link in the system of trails that led across the prairies and into the mountains, brought many visitors to the post. Among the visitors were the Palliser expedition, the Hind expedition, the Earl of Southesk with his men, Viscount Milton and Dr. Cheadle, and the Overlanders. As the Fort Edmonton community, and all the little communities around it, continued to grow, more services were provided and soon, the Catholic, Anglican, and Methodist Churches sent missionaries.

The site of the Fort became the Legislature Grounds in Edmonton, a site the HBC occupied until completion of the Legislature required the final demolition of the last Fort Edmonton buildings just prior to the First World War.

Posted by: Camac 05-Apr-2009, 03:41 PM
Leelee;
Good article well researched and I'm glad you posted it.
It is interesting to note that the Hudson Bay Company, a great rival of what was to become the Northwest Company, headquartered in Montreal, came into being in 1670 through the efforts of two French-Canadian Courier du Bois, , Radisson and Groseilliers when they approach Prince Rupert the cousin of King Charles II of England with the idea of setting up a company to trade for Beaver in Hudsons' Bay. Thus was born the oldest retail merchant in the world and English Canada.. Edmonton Alberta is one of many towns and cities that grew from the HBC Trading Posts. In 1869 The Hudson Bay Company ceded all lands in the watershed of Hudsons' Bay to the Dominion of Canada. Please post more on the History of Alberta and the West.


Camac.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 06-Apr-2009, 07:43 AM
Since we are talking about our country and what made us to who we are now then I think that though it's history I would like to tell about one the major battle in Quebec history which was a turning point in what contributed to bring the Province of Quebec to what it is today and it is the "Battle of the Plains of Abraham.

It was one of the bloodiest battle of its history,which this year will celebrate its 250th anniversary,and to this day unfortunately the French did not take the defeat kindly.The French are a very stubborn lot I must say. tongue.gif

I will post its history my segment as it is a bit lenghty and by doing so when one's read it will have a better understanding of what happen in those dreadful days.

The first segment will be about the battle itself and its preparations.

Battle of the Plains of Abraham

The Battle of the Plains of Abraham, also known as the Battle of Quebec, was a pivotal battle in the Seven Years' War (referred to as French and Indian War in the United States). The confrontation, which began on 12 September 1759, was fought between the British Army and Navy, and the French Army, on a plateau just outside the walls of Quebec City. The battle involved fewer than 10,000 troops between both sides, but proved to be a deciding moment in the conflict between France and Britain over the fate of New France, influencing the later creation of Canada.

The culmination of a three-month siege by the British, the battle lasted less than an hour. British troops commanded by General James Wolfe successfully resisted the column advance of French troops and Canadian military under Louis-Joseph, Marquis de Montcalm. Both generals were mortally wounded during the battle; Wolfe died on the field and Montcalm died the next morning. In the wake of the battle, France's remaining military force in Canada and the rest of North America came under increasing pressure from British forces. Within four years, nearly all of France's possessions in eastern North America would be ceded to Great Britain.


Preparations

Through the summer siege, illness spread through the British camps. The French easily defeated an initial invasion attempt east of the city on 31 July in the Battle of Beauport, with heavy British casualties, and in August, Wolfe himself was bedridden, causing already low morale to slump even further among the British troops. With many men in camp hospitals, British fighting numbers were thinned, and Wolfe personally felt that a new attack was needed by the end of September, or Britain's opportunity would be lost. In addition, his frustration with Montcalm's defensive stance continued to grow. In a letter to his mother, Wolfe wrote, "The Marquis of Montcalm is at the head of a great number of bad soldiers, and I am at the head of a small number of good ones that wish for nothing so much as to fight him; but the wary old fellow avoids an action, doubtful of the behaviour of his army." Montcalm also expressed frustration over the long siege, relating that he and his troops slept clothed and booted, and his horse was always saddled in preparation for an attack.

After considering and rejecting a number of plans for landings on the north shore, a decision was made in late August by Wolfe and his brigadiers to land upriver of the city. If successful, such a landing would force Montcalm to fight, as a British force on the north shore of the St. Lawrence would cut his supply lines to Montreal. Initial suggestions for landing sites ranged as far as 32 kilometres up the St. Lawrence, which would have given the French troops one or two days to prepare for the attack. Following the failed British assault on Montmorency, Montcalm altered his deployment, sending Bougainville and a column of approximately 1,500 regular troops, 200 cavalry, and a group of New French militia — some 3,000 men in all — upriver to Cap-Rouge to monitor the British ships upstream. He further strengthened his defences of the Beauport shore following the abandonment of the British camp at Montmorency, which he regarded as preparations for a descent on Beauport. In spite of warnings from local commanders, he did not view an upstream landing as a serious possibility.

The British, meanwhile, prepared for their risky deployment upstream. Troops had already been aboard landing ships and drifting up and down the river for several days when Wolfe on 12 September, made a final decision on the British landing site, selecting L'Anse-au-Foulon. L'Anse-au-Foulon is a cove situated southwest of the city, three kilometres upstream from Cap Diamant. It lies at the bottom of a 53-metre high cliff leading to the plateau above, and was protected by a battery of guns. It is not known why Wolfe selected Foulon, as the original landing site was to be further up the river, in a position where the British would be able to develop a foothold and strike at Bougainville's force to draw Montcalm out of Quebec and onto the plains. Brigadier-General George Townshend wrote that "by some intelligence the General had, he has changed his mind as to the place he intended to land." In his final letter, dated HMS Sutherland, 8:30 p.m. September 12, Wolfe wrote:

“ I had the honour to inform you today that it is my duty to attack the French army. To the best of my knowledge and ability, I have fixed upon that spot where we can act with most force and are most likely to succeed. If I am mistaken I am sorry for it and must be answerable to His Majesty and the public for the consequences. ”

Wolfe's plan of attack depended on secrecy and surprise. His plan required that a small party of men should land by night on the north shore, climb the tall cliff, seize a small road, and overpower the garrison that protected it, allowing the bulk of his army (5,000 men) to ascend the cliff and then deploy for battle on the plateau. Even if the first landing party succeeded in their mission and the army was able to follow, such a deployment would still leave his forces inside the French line of defense with no immediate retreat but the river. It is possible that Wolfe's decision to change the landing site was owing less to a desire for secrecy and more to his general disdain for his brigadiers (a feeling that was reciprocated); it is also possible that he was still suffering the effects of his illness and the opiates he used as painkillers.

Landing

Map of the battle of the plains of Abraham, September 13th, 1759Bougainville, tasked with the defence of the large area between Cap Diamant and Cap Rouge, was upstream with his troops at Cap Rouge on the night of 12 September, and missed seeing numerous British ships moving downstream. A camp of approximately 100 militia led by Captain Louis Du Pont Duchambon de Vergor, who had unsuccessfully faced the British four years previously at Fort Beauséjour, had been assigned to watch the narrow road at L'Anse-au-Foulon which followed a streambank, the Coulée Saint-Denis. On the night of 12 September and morning of 13 September, however, the camp may have contained as few as 40 men, as others were off harvesting. Vaudreuil and others had expressed their concern at the possibility of L'Anse-au-Foulon being vulnerable, but Montcalm dismissed them, saying 100 men would hold off the army until daylight, remarking, "It is not to be supposed that the enemies have wings so that they can in the same night cross the river, disembark, climb the obstructed acclivity, and scale the walls, for which last operation they would have to carry ladders."

Sentries did detect boats moving along the river that morning, but they were expecting a French supply convoy to pass that night — a plan that had been changed without Vergor being notified. When the boats, loaded with the first wave of British troops, were challenged, a French-speaking officer, either a Captain Fraser or Captain Donald McDonald of the 78th Fraser Highlanders battalion, was able to answer the challenge in excellent French, allaying suspicion.

The boats, however, had drifted slightly off course: instead of landing at the base of the road, many soldiers found themselves at the base of a slope. A group of 24 volunteers led by colonel William Howe, 5th Viscount Howe with fixed bayonets were sent to clear the picket along the road, and climbed the slope, a manoeuvre that allowed them to come up behind Vergor's camp and capture it quickly. Wolfe followed an hour later when he could use an easy access road to climb to the plain. Thus, by the time the sun rose over the Plains of Abraham, Wolfe's army had a solid foothold at the top of the cliffs.



This conclude the first segments of this great battle and I will post about the battle itself, its first engagements and the battle on the plains.

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Posted by: Camac 06-Apr-2009, 07:56 AM
LOA;

Excellent. We have Leelee in the West, oldraven in the Maritimes, You in La Belle Provence (Quebec). With the consent of all of you I will cover Ontario. Also the War of 1812 on the Niagara Frontier and around Detroit. I would also like to cover the Great War 1914-1917 as I am totally fascinated by it. Between all of us we will tell any and all the History, Customs, Culture, and Politics of "OUR LAND".... thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif thumbs_up.gif


Camac

Posted by: InRi 06-Apr-2009, 09:22 AM
Great postings! thumbs_up.gif

I'll print out, translate into German and assemble to a kind of collection-book about the Canadian history. Of course with named nomination of the authors and a adequate appreciation.

Thank you very much!

Ingo

Posted by: Leelee 06-Apr-2009, 05:36 PM
Jasper & Mount Robson
Early Climbers, Tourists and Settlements


Along with the surveyors and pack trains came men that knew how to handle the horses. Many of these, greatly impressed with the beauty of the area, decided ton stay and make a living. One of these was John Yates. He "came into real prominence early in 1907 when he was able to outmaneuver, outdrink and outride his opponents in a contest for the contract to carry the mail to the railroad construction camps between Edmonton and Tete Jaune Cache". (Ted Hart, 1979)

In 1906, A.O. Wheeler, organising the Alpine Club of Canada with Sir Sandford Fleming as Honorary President, decided that the organisations first assault should be on untrodden Mt. Robson. Wheeler convinced three experienced Canadian climbers to undertake the challenge - A.P. and Lucius Coleman and the Reverend George B. Kinney of Victoria.

After leaving the Saskatchewan River it took the climbing expedition 41 days to reach the base of "the imperial mountain of our aspiration; one vast, lone, snow-clad, cloud capped peak wrapped in the solitude of centuries" (Esther Fraser, 1969). Unfortunately, it had taken the group weeks longer than anticipated. Their food was almost gone and their horses were sick and lame. Finally, after reaching Emperor Falls, the weather worsened and they decided to retreat. On their journey back to Edmonton they happened upon none other than John Yates. As the three climbers were in need of food, the meeting was a fortunate one. Yates volunteered food and a horse (to speed A.P. Coleman to Edmonton for his necessitated return to his Toronto professorship). Coleman was duly impressed with Yates abilities and requested his services as an outfitter and guide for another attempt on Robson the following year (1908). Yates accepted.

QUOTE
"He was the most resourceful man with horses and in general conduct of camp life imaginable: strong, courageous, and alert in all emergencies. His skill in packing a horse so as to avoid a sore back on the trail was only equaled by his versatility in turning dried goat meat, smoked fish, desiccated potatoes, and odds and ends of rice, oatmeal and bannocks in flavoursome 'bouillon' or 'Mulligan'."
A.P. Coleman, 1906


John Yates and Adolphus Moberly (one of H.J. Moberly's descendants) guided the 1908 expedition up the Moose River, over Moose Pass into the headwaters of the Smoky, and over Robson Pass to the foot of Robson Glacier. The group named Adolphus Lake in honour of the assistance provided by Moberly. Another lake in the vicinity was named Berg Lake for the icebergs (calved from Berg Glacier) found floating there. Again, continuous rain and snow excluded the possibility of an attempt on Mt. Robson and, as they waited, their food supplies dwindled. Yates was sent back to Athabasca for more supplies. Luckily, he ran into some of Moberly's band (who supplied him with provisions) a short way down the Moose River. They camped at the base of Mt. Robson for three weeks amongst the wind, rain, sleet and snow. After a number of assaults, one of which Kinney attempted alone, they decided to retreat from the mountain. Plans were made to return the following year and again Yates was asked to accompany the expedition.

In the Spring of 1909 Kinney heard rumours of the approach of a group of foreign mountaineers bound for the Alpine Club of Canada's Mt. Robson. Fearing a successful non-Canadian assault Kinney set out from Victoria early in hopes of beating them to the summit.

On arrival in Edmonton Kinney learned that Yates would not accompany him. Yates felt it was too early in the season to attempt a climb, especially after the particularly heavy winter snows. On June 17th, Kinney set out from edmonton alone with three pack horses, three months provisions, and just under three dollars in his pocket. Along the Athabasca in the Jasper area he was trapped by rising flood waters on an island in the river. When the waters subsided Kinney made his way along a high trail to the cabin of John Moberly. Here he found another man, Donald "Curly" Phillips, who had been similarly stranded.

Kinney eventually persuaded Phillips to join in his endeavors and they began their ascent to Mt. Robson.

QUOTE
"No ascent in the history of the Canadian Rockies demanded more sheer guts and determination in the face of hair-raising brushes with death by avalanche, exposure and starvation."
Ted Hart, 1979


After two unsuccessful attempts due to inclement weather the pair had to wait one week before trying again. Finally, on August 12, they managed to reach the 10,500 foot level. They hacked a ledge out of the ice and bivouacked for the night. On Friday, August 13th, 1909, as they were making their way up the steep slopes an ominous storm passed over but they continued to climb with ice covering their hands and feet. On the ridge leading to the summit the wind had heavily corniced the snow, but still they pushed on through the blinding storm. Late in the afternoon Kinney "on a needle peak that rose so abruptly that even cornices cannot build very far out on it. Baring my head I said in the name of Almighty God, by whose strength I have climbed here, I capture this peak, Mount Robson, for my own country and for the Alpine Club of Canada" (Ted Hart, 1979).

The descent of the mountain was as hazardous (if not more hazardous) than the ascent. A late afternoon Chinook had melted most of the steps they had cut in the ice. Finally, they reached base camp and devoured a few bits of marmot to end their grueling 24 hour mountain experience.

On their way back to the Jasper area they met John Yates accompanied by the "foreign" climbing expedition of A.M. Mumm, L.S. Amery, Geoffrey Hastings, Mortiz Inderbinen and James Shand-Harvey (another packer) on their way to Mt. Robson. Most of the members of this expedition had attended A.O. Wheeler's Alpine Club of Canada meeting at Lake O'Hara. When they reached the base of the mountain their Swiss guide, Moritz Inderbiben, suggested that they would climb Robson in 9 hours. In the early morning hours of September 7 they began their attempt to climb the mountain. By 2:00 in the afternoon Mumm realised it was no use and the party retreated to arrive back in camp at 9:00 that evening. They returned to Edmonton with hopes of future success.

As the Grand Trunk pushed its steel towards the Yellowhead summit a few outfitters from the Banff area decided to move to Jasper and establish their businesses their. Fred Stephens and Fred Brewster were two of these men who were able to establish reputable businesses in the Yellowhead area. Stephens joined up with Yates and the two of them outfitted and guided a second Mumm expedition with Moritz Inderbinen and J. Norman Collie. The expedition was later joined by Allan McConnachie and George Swain. Inclement weather, however, forced another retreat. They planned further exploratory travels in the area between the Moose and Smoky Rivers for the following year (1911).

End-of-Steel villages were beginning to spring up all along the Grand trunk Pacific Railway grade. Movement into the Yellowhead area was being facilitated by the "iron horse" and more and more people took advantage of the ease of transportation. However, life in the villages wasn't always easy. Typhoid raged from camp to camp, taking its toll of human life. Living conditions were sometimes atrocious, and labour disputes erupted sporadically.

By 1911 work trains were running to Summit City (Mile 0), Lucerne, Moose City and Red Pass (Mile 29).

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"At Fitzhugh, which is within the province of Alberta, the lid was kept closed a little by the Mounted Police, but their jurisdiction ended at the border of British Columbia, and there at the summit, right on the boundary, the doors were opened wide and down through Mile 17 and 29 and 50 they remained that way... Mile 29 had a reputation of which even its inhabitants refused to be proud"
Fort George Herald, September 20th, 1923


Nonetheless, the railway went through. In fact, two railways went through: the Grand Trunk Pacific and, shortly thereafter, the Canadian Northern. Lucerne became an important terminal for the Grand Trunk with a depot, a coal tipple, a marshaling yard for freight cars, two round houses, two stores, a school, a doctors office, pool hall, saloons, barbers, bunkhouses and restaurants.

In 1911, A.O. Wheeler, working as a private surveyor, organised a joint Alpine Club of Canada - Smithsonian Institution expedition into the Robson area. he was able to secure funding from the Dominion Government of Canada, the provincial governments of Alberta and British Columbia, and the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway. The Smithsonian Institution of Washington, D.C. supplied a group of scientists organised by Dr. Charles Walcott (Secretary of the Smithsonian) and headed by Ned Hollister (Assistant Curator of Mammals at the U.S. National Museum), Charles Walcott, Jr., and Harry Blagden. The photographer for the expedition was Byron Harmon and the climbing experts were A.O. Wheeler, Conrad Kain, and the Reverend George Kinney. Curly Phillips, Fred Stephens (who soon left the expedition after an argument with Wheeler) and James Shand-Harvey were outfitters and packers.

Arriving at Moose City Conrad Kain experienced a taste of an end-of-steel village by having his clothes, some food, and a cook stove stolen while he was briefly out of his tent. Fortunately, everything was easily replaced and they were off to Mt. Robson via the Moose River.

While the expedition was waiting at Berg Lake (for the horses to make the return circuit around Robson to avoid the steep cliffs in the Valley of a Thousand Falls) Conrad Kain set off alone and succeeded in climbing Mt. Whitehorn, then first man known to have done so. Wheeler stalled the group and no attempt was made on Robson, the general feeling being that he wanted to save the second assault for the Alpine Club of Canada's Berg Lake Camp in 1913.

In 1912 F. M. Rattenbury was contacted as an architect by the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway to produce the plans for Chateau Mt. Robson (which would have been located in the vicinity of the present viewpoint) to cater to the expected influx of visitors to the area. In the Spring of 1913 A.O. Wheeler began bargaining with the Grand Trunk and the Government of British Columbia to have a trail constructed up the Grand Fork of the Fraser to Berg Lake. Finally, the B.C. government agreed to pay the costs of having a trail built (if it was possible) and Donald Phillips was awarded the contract at fifty dollars per mile. Phillips, Curly Cochrane and Frank Doucette began the work to fashion a switchback pack trail up the Grand Fork and over the cliffs in the Valley of a Thousand Falls. The most amazing feat of the entire endeavour was a flying trestle bridge around a sheer rock cliff coming up to Emperor Falls.

After finishing the trail Phillips joined up with the Otto brothers to pack in the equipment for the Alpine Club of Canada's Berg Lake Camp. Prior to the camp and at A.O. Wheelers insistence, Mt. Robson was declared a Provincial Park, and the Deputy Minister of Public Works was at Berg Lake to welcome the Alpine Club of Canada to the newly established park. Participants included representatives from Canada, the United States of America, Great Britain, Austria and Switzerland. During the Berg Lake Camp the first truly successful assault on Mt. Robson was executed by Conrad Kain. As Kain descended to the camp Curly Phillips declared that his previously believed "first assault" with George Kinney was not to the very summit of the mountain.

QUOTE
"The view was glorious in all directions. One could compare the sea of glaciers and mountains with a stormy ocean. Mt. Robson is about 2,000 feet higher than all the other mountains in the neighborhood. Indescribably beautiful was the vertical view towards Berg Lake and the camp below. Unfortunately, only fifteen minutes were allowed us on the summit, ten of pure pleasure and five of teeth chattering. The rope and our damp clothes were frozen as hard as bone. And so we had to think of the long descent.
Conrad Kain, Canadian Alpine Journal, 1913


With the ease of railway transportation many more mountain climbers, tourists and other people seeking recreational and business opportunities ventured into the Jasper and Mt. Robson areas.

By April of 1914, the Grand Trunk Pacific Railway had completed its transcontinental to Prince George and by October of 1915, to Vancouver. Late in 1915 the need for steel in war-torn France had increased and the Dominion Government ordered that steel from one of the duplicate GTP - CNR tracks through the Yellowhead be sent overseas. Most of the Grand Trunk's tracks were retained while most of the Canadian Northern's were torn up. By December of 1918 the Dominion Government had amalgamated the Canadian Northern, Grand Trunk Pacific and other railways to form the Canadian national Railways.


By Jeff Waugh




Posted by: Camac 07-Apr-2009, 07:46 AM
Leelee;


When I was a kid back in the late 40's and into the 50's we lived in the Town of New Toronto which was a big mashalling yard for both CPR and CNR. There was still Steam Locomotives then as Diesel Electric were just coming into use. It was great as kids to go watch the Engines hauling frieght or passengers through the yard There was a big Roundhouse there also and one of my friends Dad was a machinist who worked there. In the winter we kids would go up to the yard with a pail and pick up the scattered coal to take home.Sometimes when we were playing hockey and no one had a puck we would use a lump of coal. Long time ago and a different life. Sometimes I miss those days.

Camac.

Posted by: InRi 07-Apr-2009, 08:59 AM
Hi everyone,

I want to chip in with a link about the CPR, that I found. There's something to read about the history of this company and there's a nice photo-gallery with a lot of old photos too.

http://www8.cpr.ca/cms/English/General+Public/Heritage/default.htm

Regards

Ingo


Posted by: Camac 07-Apr-2009, 10:32 AM
Inri;

Good for you. The more the merrier.



Camac.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 07-Apr-2009, 02:01 PM
QUOTE (InRi @ 07-Apr-2009, 09:59 AM)
Hi everyone,

I want to chip in with a link about the CPR, that I found. There's something to read about the history of this company and there's a nice photo-gallery with a lot of old photos too.

http://www8.cpr.ca/cms/English/General+Public/Heritage/default.htm

Regards

Ingo

Thanks for the links Ingo.

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Posted by: Camac 08-Apr-2009, 07:39 AM
Some info on driving in Canada:

All distances and speed limits are posted in Kilometres (pronounce Kill-o-meters)

ie; Speed_ 100km = 62.5 mph
90km = 56.2 mph
80km = 50 mph.
50km = 30mph.
To find mph multiply by .625 to find kph divide by .625.

Distances: Measured the same as speed. 1km = 5/8 or .625 of a mile.

As Traffic Laws are Provincial they may change in different Provinces but they are pretty much universal across the country. In Ontario though there are some different ones concerning speeding. Mainly if a driver is caught doing in excess of 50km over the limit the individual is charged with Street Racing the consequence are as follows: Immediate confiscation and suspension of Drivers Licences for 7 days, confiscation of the vehicle on the spot, (the owner to pay all towing and storage cost also means if Joey is driving Mommies car, Mommy doesn't have a car and Joey is in deep doodoo) the fines range as high as $10,000. Not wearing a seat belt cost $250.00, smoking in your car while a child is onboard,$250.00 Impared driving is pretty much the same as Street Racing. In Ontario we have R.I.D.E. (Reduce Impaired Driving Everywhere) and the Police set up Random spot checks any day of the week. On longweekends the O.P.P. (Ontario Provincial Police) hold safety blitzes on all major highways and if you are stopped and the vehicle is unsafe they pull the license plate off right there. I know this sounds something like a police state but it is not what it does is reduce the number of fatalities on our highways and roads. Driving in the city is pretty much the same again with the exception of Toronto. Here we have Street Cars (Trolleys) and when they stop and open the doors cars have to stop also,behind the opened door. We have Pedestrian Crosswalks where you have to stop when the lights are flashing to allow any Pedestrian to cross. We allow right turns on a Red Light providing there is no oncoming traffic. In winter tire chains and studs are not allowed and Radar detectors are confiscated on the spot and because we use photo radar and Red Light Cameras license plate covers that obscure the number are illegal. In Ontario we also have a graduated drivers license which is to complicated to explain here and now as I have to refresh my knowledge on it.



Camac.

Posted by: InRi 08-Apr-2009, 11:18 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 08-Apr-2009, 02:39 PM)
Not wearing a seat belt cost $250.00, smoking in your car while a child is onboard,$250.00

Well done there!
If we here in Upper Austria don't wear the belt we have to pay a fine of 40€ (r.a. 66 Can$), smoking in the car while a child is on board is exempt from punishment, to use a cellphone while driving coasts also 40€ and a the fine in the case of a speeding less 25km/hour cost 29€ (47Can$).
No wonder that a lot of people here see that as trivial offenses...

Ingo

Posted by: Camac 09-Apr-2009, 07:26 AM
I have read alot of the post here about Gun Control and I realize that it is a touchy subject but I would like to point out the differences between our two Nations.

In the U.S. your Constitution gives you the right to bear arms, in Canada we do not have that right it is a privilege. All hand guns must be registered and the government is in the process of registering all Long Guns (rifles and shot guns). The Long Gun Registry is very controversial and it has been a nightmare since day one. No civilian is allowed to carry a hand gun on their person unless they have a Permit to Transport and the weapon is unloaded and locked.. If transporting a fire- arm from one place to another in a vehicle the weapon must be unloaded, have a trigger lock, the ammunition must be in a lock box and it must be locked in the trunk or in the backseat and you must have a permit to transport.. At home all weapons must be in a secure locked cabinet or box and the ammunition must be in a seperate locked container. The penalties for infraction can be quite serious such as a large fine or the confiscation of the weapon. There is legislation pending for the complete abolition of hand guns. Possession of an assault weapon is a criminal offense. The gun laws in Canada are very strict and the majority of people like it that way, in fact they would like to see the abolition of all firearms with the exception of the military and police. The attitude towards guns, I think, is one of the biggest differences between our two peoples. We do not have the culture of the gun here and we don't want it.


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 09-Apr-2009, 01:34 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 09-Apr-2009, 06:26 AM)
All hand guns must be registered and the government is in the process of registering all Long Guns (rifles and shot guns). The Long Gun Registry is very controversial and it has been a nightmare since day one.

... The gun laws in Canada are very strict and the majority of people like it that way, in fact they would like to see the abolition of all firearms with the exception of the military and police. The attitude towards guns, I think, is one of the biggest differences between our two peoples. We do not have the culture of the gun here and we don't want it.


Camac.

I for one do not support the long gun registry. I'm also not one of the mindset that would see the outright abolition of all firearms. I live in the country, and am very tired of my dogs getting attacked. I'd really hate to have the same happen to a member of my family, and know that I was dragging my feet on getting a rifle. As you know, Camac, I'm a proponent of gun control, supporting the abolition of assault rifles and ban on carrying hand guns. But there is a use for them in Canadian life. I'd bet that majority of people is a lot smaller than you think, considering how many people in Canada hunt, or live in the country.

The laws we have in place right now are very good, and not yet too excessive. smile.gif I'd best leave it at that, or risk drifting over into that other thread in that other forum. wink.gif

Posted by: Camac 09-Apr-2009, 01:54 PM
oldraven;

I understand your position and I also do not think long guns should be abolished I do however think they should be registered. How the registration got so damn complicated and out of control I don't understand. Handguns are another matter and yes we have to be carful here or we will run afoul of that other Thread and yes the laws we have about firearms are pretty good just got screwed up by the politicians and bureaucrats.


Camac.


Posted by: Patch 09-Apr-2009, 02:48 PM
My hunting experience has been that Saskatchewan, Alberta and BC pretty much ignore the laws and do so openly. I have seen more assault weapons and hand guns there on hunting trips than any one time here in the US. That includes gun shows. I know Albert, now deceased, at the fishing camp in Ontario paid no attention to the laws also but he was more low key about it. There was a shooting range,, that I visited, buried in the ground with about 150 feet of 40 inch steel pipe to shoot through. I saw weapons fired there that I have never seen in the US. Full automatic's even. Above ground you would never know it was there. They managed to completely supress the sound. I suspect you have a much greater underground pool of firearms than anyone realizes.

Canada is a land of wild and untamed areas. People will not inhabit those areas without protection.

OK, off this subject.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 09-Apr-2009, 03:35 PM
Patch;

Our system is not perfect and we have people who disregard the Law just as people do all over the world. We also have people who seem to think that the American Constitution applies here and that it is their right to have firearms. Well it isn't. Our Gun Laws are pretty good but the trouble is that Canada is so big it is very difficult to Govern. With a population density of only 3 people per square kilometre alot can go on that know one hears about.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 09-Apr-2009, 07:30 PM
I realize that. I have been in different countries and one has to keep in mind that each has it's own laws. Canada has some of the most impressive scenery on this continent and the lack of population is what keeps it that way. That is what will ease your people through whatever tribulations we may be headed toward. You are now where were in the 20's and 30's.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: oldraven 09-Apr-2009, 08:51 PM
QUOTE (Patch @ 09-Apr-2009, 06:30 PM)
Canada has some of the most impressive scenery on this continent and the lack of population is what keeps it that way.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

I seriously hope this remains true for as long as I'm alive. I know it won't though. Just trying to imagine what this area looked like when my parents were children shows how fast the scenery has changed already. But that's from changes to the economy and way of life, not so much an increase in population. Nova Scotia has a very static population, when it's not in an actual decline. A very prominent part of our history is the migration of people, as workers, to every other region of the world. They call it the 'Brain Drain', where kids finish school then go on to university, promptly leaving the province the second they have a career to act on.

It's difficult to watch sometimes. The brand new Rural High School that was built when I was a kid is soon about to become an Elementary and High School. That's grade Primary to 12. The Elementary, only about 100M away, is too big for the number of kids in it, as is the High School. And to think, these are the products of a rural amalgamation that happened in 1990. To put that in context, my brother graduated in a record class in 1992. There were 88 graduates. I don't know if that has been bested in the 17 years since, but I'm sure right now, the rapidly dwindling staff would be ecstatic to see those numbers again. It was almost sad to see how excited the locals were here in Goshen, the first time we went to a dinner at the Community Centre with our two kids in tow.

Have you ever seen pasture land growing over with bushes and trees? 2 in 3 old family farms here look like that. Now that would be a heartbreaking sight for the pioneers who cleared them.

Posted by: Camac 10-Apr-2009, 06:55 AM
oldraven;

The Brain Drain has always been a weakness in Canada. When you live next door to the largest Industrial, Technological, and Entertainment powerhouse it is very difficult to compete. Because of our relatively low population the opportunities just do not exist. You mentioned farms being overgrown, well at least they are rerurning slowy to Nature. Here in Southern Ontario they are dissapearing, bulldozed under and resurected as sub-divisions of row after row of look alike houses on postage stamp lots. Our country is no longer the agrarian society it was founded on. It was once predicted that by 2020 the City of Toronto would stretch from Oshawa in the East to Hamilton in the West, and North to Barrie, well at the rate we are going I think it will happen. One good thing with all the development is that a lot of trees are being left. Toronto has the largest number of trees (5,000,000,000) than any other city in North America. It also has the largest Urban Raccoon population.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 10-Apr-2009, 07:58 AM
Farming here is profitable for the most part due to subsidies. The federal programs were to save the small farmer. However the mega farmers found ways to get them too (political contributions). I call it farm welfare. That may be why your small farms are disappearing.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 10-Apr-2009, 08:15 AM
Patch;

Farming here is profitable also. It's the smaller farms around the big cities that are disappearing to make way for sub-divisions. The majority of immigrants come to what is the Windsor-Montreal corridor (western southern Ontario to Quebec). The majority of Canada's population live within 100km of the Canada/U.S. border. The town (now city) of Markham just north of Toronto has so many Chinese Immigrants the the Street signs and the store front signs are in English and Chinese. Vancouver (Hongcouver) has one of the biggest China Towns in North America. When I was a kid the area between Toronto and Hamilton was all Apple Farms, millions of trees. It's all gone now to make way for the expanding towns and cities with the exception of the Niagra Peninsula which is still all farmland and vinyards.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 11-Apr-2009, 01:49 PM
We have that problem too. Eventually it will affect the food supply here. My community is shrinking so we do not have that problem.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Patch 11-Apr-2009, 02:08 PM
"Billy Bob Thornton's band has canceled the rest of its Canadian tour after the actor compared the country's fans to mashed potatoes with no gravy in a testy interview that caused a sensation online."

I don't know what he is talking about. When I ordered fries in Canada they ALWAYS came covered with gravy. I assume he was not selling enough tickets for the tour. He should just say so. It does not appear that he used good judgement.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Camac 11-Apr-2009, 02:47 PM
Patch;

It seems he took umbrage at the interviewer referring to his acting career and went into a snit. Tempermental actor I guess. Who knows who cares. From what I read it said his Band isn't that good and his attempt at a drum solo sucked. Personallu I wouldn't know as I am not a follower of C/W music.

Hey there is only one way to eat Fries, Gravy and Pepper or maybe Poutine.


Camac

Posted by: Patch 11-Apr-2009, 03:02 PM
We use catsup here but I learned. Ah, poutine, I believe maybe we call it white lightning. Correct me if I am wrong. Quite a memorable refreshment.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 11-Apr-2009, 03:08 PM
Patch;

I don't know what white lighting is ( perhaps Booze) anyway Poutine is Fries with Cheese (Fromage) and Gravy ( au jus). Heart attack food but good.

Camac.

Posted by: Patch 11-Apr-2009, 05:20 PM
Ok, I misunderstood. I thought of poutine as the Irish drink distilled in the hills. Yes white lightning is whiskey with no tax stamp.

My french, if that is french, sucks though I did learn a few words necessary to discuss another subject in a quaint little town North East of Montreal a long time ago. Also Jambon and Oeffs. That isn't much.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 11-Apr-2009, 05:47 PM
Patch;

The French I learned, what little that is, is construction job French and not to be used in Polite company. Actually I am somewhat ashamed that I never really learned the language . When I went to school things were different. We didn't have to learn French but if French Canadians wanted to get good jobs and get ahead they had to learn English. By the 70's things had changed and I must say for the better. Both my girls speak French and I think that is how it should be as we are a bilingual country. My ex is half Quebecois but her Father forbade the language to be spoken so she never learned. Thankfully the times are changing. N'est ce pas?


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 11-Apr-2009, 06:37 PM
Today a second language is required in high school. In the 50's it was optional and I opted out. I learned spanish in Colorado which helped a bit after I retired. I do not speak it but can understand a bit. When I went there, they would speak english for American dollars and I could understand what they were saying about me.

I agree, a second language is not bad. My son took Spanish and my daughter took French.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 11-Apr-2009, 07:00 PM
Patch;

Things have changed so much up here that it is just about impossible to get a job with the Fed. Gov. or get elected to Parliament unless you speak both languages. New Brunswick is officially bilingual, Ontario is sort of half way, Quebec has its' language Law that makes French the Official Language and they enforce it. It has upset alot of people across the country but I sort of understand why they did it. For awhile there it looked like it was slowly dying out. Personally I think the whole country should be bilingual and if I had the chance I'd go back and learn French.
The official Language Act passed by Parliament states that Canada is Bilingual and that all Acts, Laws, and Proclamations from Parliament shall be in both Official Languages and that the business of the Government shall be conducted in said Languages.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 11-Apr-2009, 08:06 PM
I have been working a little at learning Scot. Gaelic and have had little success. I have the course in Irish Gaelic too which seems a bit easier. I haven't done well with either though. My grandmother spoke Irish Gaelic as spoken in Co. Kerry. If I had been interested as a child she could have taught me and I could have used the language conversing with her. However, as always, I have excellent hindsight. I have a neice who just got back from a language school in Columbia paid for by her employer. I suspect in the future a second language will be a necessity here too.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: MacEoghainn 12-Apr-2009, 07:26 AM
If I did this all correctly this link http://maceoghainn.celticradio.us/A_Different_View.pps should take you to a PowerPoint file you can download or run that says a lot about our Canadian Friends.

Well done Canada!

(you may need to download the Microsoft PowerPoint Viewer from Microsoft to view this file. It can be found here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=048DC840-14E1-467D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485&displaylang=en)

Posted by: Camac 12-Apr-2009, 08:02 AM
MacEoghainn;

I thank you my Friend. I have the same photos but being not to computer literate I didn't know how to post them. This Ceremony happens every time they bring our young warriors home for the last time. It's our way of saying Thank You and Honouring our dead and to let the families of these Heroes know we care. I wrote a poem about it earlier on and posted it on Celtic Hearts. Thank You again I along with all Canadians who see this appreciate it.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 12-Apr-2009, 11:18 AM
That was an excellent presentation.

We have not had that opportunity as the bush administration banned all media coverage of the fallen returning. I know we who have served would turn out but whether we could get the response you in Canada produced, I do not know. We have a group that tries to disrupt the military funeral services. We had an area military funeral (Iraq casualty) that was "threatened". The police were there of course and a motorcycle club had about 90 members stationed around the cemetery to discourage anything improper. All had black arm bands and every bike flew a small American flag. Nothing happened. I hope that God has the hottest seats in hell reserved for those who have no respect for the service men and women who gave all!

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 12-Apr-2009, 11:38 AM
Patch;

The 170 km stretch of Highway 401 between Trenton (CFB) and Toronto was named the Highway of Heroes by the Ontario Legislature within minutes of being proposed. Within days the signs were going up. It is just one small way the people of my Province show their respect, Love , and care for our young people who serve. The gatherings on the 50 overpasses was spontaneous no one organized it, it just happened. No one would dare disupt this ceremony nor would they interfere with a Funeral of our Heroes. It would not be tolerated or condoned by anyone. If you are against the war then protest where it does not insult the Families of these men and women who have paid the ultimate price for our peace and freedom. In two World Wars, Korea, Peace Keeping and Afghanistan Canada has lost over 100,000 of it's sons and daughter and for a Nation with our small population that is alot.

ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN
LEST WE FORGET.

Camac.

Posted by: Patch 12-Apr-2009, 11:53 AM
During VN we had a "draft" and for the most part it was unfairly applied. Some people could avoid the war, as two recent presidents and at least one vice president did. There were demonstrations then and I think bush expected them again. Shows he didn't understand history. Today the army is volunteer. That is a big difference and maybe the people would have reacted differently. Since Obama just lifted thae media ban and left it up to the families we may see change. I believe we just lost 5 more in Iraq.

Slŕinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: InRi 12-Apr-2009, 12:48 PM
QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 12-Apr-2009, 02:26 PM)
If I did this all correctly this link http://maceoghainn.celticradio.us/A_Different_View.pps should take you to a PowerPoint file you can download or run that says a lot about our Canadian Friends.

Well done Canada!

(you may need to download the Microsoft PowerPoint Viewer from Microsoft to view this file. It can be found here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=048DC840-14E1-467D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485&displaylang=en)

Thank you for sharing this great presentation.

Ingo

Posted by: MacEoghainn 12-Apr-2009, 02:22 PM
To all who continue to thank me for providing access to the PowerPoint I offer my humble thank you for your thoughtful consideration. I posted it to honor a great country, people, their most honored dead and the families of those brave heroes. The Canadians are the United State's good friends and neighbors (who we occasionaly take for granted) and deserve to be recognized as such. I would rather say:

Thank You Canada!!!!

Posted by: Leelee 12-Apr-2009, 03:34 PM
QUOTE
MacEoghainn Posted on 12-Apr-2009, 07:26 AM
If I did this all correctly this link A_Different_View.pps should take you to a PowerPoint file you can download or run that says a lot about our Canadian Friends.

Well done Canada!

(you may need to download the Microsoft PowerPoint Viewer from Microsoft to view this file. It can be found here: PowerPoint Viewer 2007)


And a very gracious thank you to you, MacEoghainn, for posting this most honourable powerpoint presentation thumbs_up.gif


Frank Slide, Alberta
The Day the Mountain Fell


Part 1 - Prelude to Disaster


Not far from Calgary, Alberta, and just east of the Crowsnest Pass, lies the small, bustling town of Frank, Alberta, nestled on the floor of a deeply-glaciated valley. Looming menacingly nearby is Turtle Mountain. Also nearby is a scene of a destruction of such magnitude that it has never been equalled!

In the early morning hours of April 29, 1903, Turtle Mountain collapsed, resulting in the greatest landslide in North American history. In 100 seconds: at least 76 people were buried alive under tons of massive limestone boulders; three-quarters of the homes in Frank were crushed like balsa wood; over a mile of the Canadian Pacific Railroad was completely destroyed; and a river became a lake.

Yet, few people have ever heard about it.

In 1901, excavation began and a drift mine was sunk deep into the bowels of Turtle Mountain in order to mine the massive deposits of coal beneath the eastern slope of the mountain. The mine contained huge rooms (called 'stopes') separated by gigantic 12-metre (40-foot) long pillars which contained walk-ways and chutes. By October of the following year, the stopes burrowed over 700 metres (2,300 feet) along the eastern vein of coal. Tremors became a regular occurrence in the mines, especially in the early-morning hours, and the miners became quite accustomed to the shaking. Besides, the tremors made their work a whole lot easier. By April of 1903, the mine was virtually 'self-operating' in that all the miners had to do was to shovel up the coal as it fell from the ceiling.

Just below the mine entrance, the Old Man River ran along the base of the mountain. Beyond and to the left lay the town of Frank, divided by Gold Creek which flowed in from the east across the valley and joined the Old Man River below the mine entrance. The Canadian Pacific Railroad ran somewhat parallel to the River and passed Frank on the eastern side; the mine spur line branched off from the CPR, running west of Frank, across Gold Creek and the Old Man River and up to the mine entrance, completing the triangle framing downtown Frank. A well-worn path ran between the river and railroad, joining Frank to Pincher Creek to the south and Blairmore to the north. Coming down from the valley far to the east was the Frank Grassy Mountain Railroad. Soon, over 100 men would arrive in Frank to complete the extension joining the FGMR to the CPR.

The Indians of the area avoided Turtle Mountain. To them, it was the 'mountain that walked'. Their legend would soon become all too real.

6:00 p.m., April 28. John Thornley bid 'goodnight' to the last customer in his Shoe Shop ('G' on the map). His sister was in the kitchen of their combination shop and cabin, just finishing washing the evening's supper dishes. This was her last night in Frank before returning to her home and parents in Pincher Creek.

On a whim, John convinced Ellen to spend her last night in town in a hotel in Frank rather than sleep at the cabin. Delighted at the prospect, Ellen quickly packed her suitcases and the two walked the short distance to town where they took rooms at the Frank Hotel.

This 'whim' would save their lives.

6:30 p.m., April 28. John McVeigh, general manager of the McVeigh and Poupore construction camp set up near the railroad tracks, convinced stable-boss Jack Leonard to ride into Pincher Creek to buy more hay in preparation for the men and horses which would be arriving soon. With Leonard gone, there were 12 labourers plus McVeigh left in the camp.

Midnight, April 28. The night crew for the mine was assembled in Frank. There was Alex Tashigan, an Armenian weigh scale operator; Joseph Chapman, foreman of the crew, from Wales; Evan 'Halfpint' Jones, Chapman's assistant; John Watkins; William Warrington; Alex Clark; 'Shorty' Dawson; Dan McKenzie; Alex McPhail; Alex Grant; and Charlie Farrell, and one other unknown man.

Together, they crossed the bridge over the Old Man River and headed toward the mine entrance.

Meanwhile, Robert Watt and Les Ferguson were just coming out of the Imperial Hotel. Declining Ferguson's invitation to stay at the hotel that night, Watt crossed Gold Creek and walked to the livery stable ('D' on the map) where his assistant, Francis Rochette, was already asleep.

In the boarding house ('A' on the map), Lillian Clark, who had never spent a night away from home in her life, worked so late that she decided not to cross Gold Creek and join her mother and 5 brothers and sisters. Instead, she decided to remain at the boarding house over-night. This 'decision' would save her life.

Thomas Delap worked alone at the electric light plant beside the river. In a month or so, he would have saved enough money to bring his bride from Red Lodge, Montana, to live with him in Frank.

Beside the livery stable ('E' on the map), Alfred 'Jack' Dawe slept. Nearby were his two Welch friends. Had their ticket reservations not been confused, they would have been on the train heading east where they would catch a boat to take them back home to Wales. Meanwhile, Charles and Robert Chestnut slept in the Union Hotel in Frank. Had Dawe's reservations not been messed up, the Chestnut brothers would now be sleeping in the cabin beside the livery stable. This 'confusion' would save their lives.

Shortly after midnight, Ned Morgan declined an invitation from Mrs. James Graham to stay the night with herself and her husband. Morgan walked past the bunkhouse where the 2 Johnson boys from Calgary, hired by Graham to watch his herd of stock while his own 2 sons worked in the mine, lay sleeping. Not far away, on the edge of the property, sat a tent occupied year-round by Andy Grissack Jr., a gnarled old trapper from Lethbridge with a bent for telling wild tales. 'Declining the invitation' would save his life.

In the Warrington home ('C' on the map) were Warrington's wife and three teen-aged children, Reginald, Florence and Ivy. Also living with them was Alex Dixon who had come to Frank to escort the eldest daughter, Florence, for a visit to their hometown back east. Beside their home ('B' on the map) were 6 miners from Lancashire, England. No-one in Frank knew much about them.

Carl Bansemer (see 'F' on the map) had left town earlier on the 28'th with a load of furniture, accompanied by his 2 eldest sons, Rufus and Henry. They were on their way to their new homestead in Lundbreck, to the east. Left at home in Frank were Annie Bansemer and her 7 other children, Albert, Carl Jr., Frances, Rose, Hilda, Kate and Harold (who had been born in Frank only 5 months earlier).

Beside them (see 'F' on the map) lived the Leitch family: Alex and Rosemary and their 7 children Athol, Wilfred, John, Allen, Jessie, Rosemary and baby Marion.

Next was the Ackroyd family (see 'F' on the map) from Montana, Charles and his wife, Nancy, and step-son Lester Johnson.

Sam Ennis lived in the 4'th house (see 'F' on the map) along with his wife, Lucy, and their 2 boys, Delbert and James, and 2 girls, Hazel and Gladys. Delbert, the eldest, was only 8 years old. Living with them were Lucy's brother, James Warrington.

The next house (see 'F' on the map) was occupied by John Watkins, his wife, and 3 teen-aged children, Thomas, Fernie and Ruby.

The 6'th house was vacant, but, in the last house in the row lived the Clarks (see 'F' on the map). Alex, who worked the night shift, had already gone to the mines. His eldest daughter, Lillian, was, unbeknownst to him, staying at the boarding house where she worked. His 5 other children, Charles, Albert, Alfred, Ellen and Gertrude, were in bed.

They did not hear the freight train as it approached from McLeod to the south-east. Engineer Ben Murgatroyd scanned the dark rails ahead, watching for broken rails and snow slides common in the Crowsnest Pass during winter. Beside him, Bud Lahey stoked the boiler. Behind, in the caboose, were the conductor, Henri Pettit, and brakemen, Sid Choquette and Bill Lowes. At the boxcar, which served as a station until the new one was built, Pettit checked with the agent, T.B. Smith, where he learned that the 'Spokane Flyer', a passenger train, was running an hour and a half behind schedule due to a snowstorm between Frank and McLeod. It would arrive in Frank at about 4:30 a.m. The freight would have to lay over on the siding until the Flyer passed.

With the train connected to 2 coal cars and a bridge-building pile driver on the siding, the engine was disconnected and then reconnected to an empty coal car and sent on to the mine to drop off the empty car. Meanwhile, Pettit curled up beside the pot-bellied stove in the station to wait. At the mine, the weigh-scale man, Tashigan, along with Fred Farrington and Alex Clark, two of the miners who had come out into the open to eat their lunches, sat watching in the darkness as the the train crew worked. Then, switching to the mine spur line, the engine backed up to the tipple where the men sat eating to 'spot' the single coal car.

Choquette set the brakes on the coal car and pulled the connecting pin. With the job done, the Mogul engine began to roll slowly down the track to the mine bridge. Choquette and Lowes ran along beside the engine. It was just after 4:00 a.m. on April 29.

In the darkness, the mountain began to walk.

Posted by: Leelee 12-Apr-2009, 03:37 PM
Frank Slide, Alberta
The Day the Mountain Fell


Part 2 - The Mountain Walks


4:10 a.m., April 29, 1903.

Far above the train engine, a huge rock shivered and then fell forward, rolling down the mountain side toward the train. Then another... and another. Engineer Murgatroyd, who had had more than one close call with landslides in the pass, took no chances and slammed the throttle forward as he screamed at his brakemen to get aboard. Choquette and Lowes sprinted for the handrails as the wheels screeched against the rails. The train quickly gathered speed on the grade.

The mountain began to creak and groan much more menacingly than ever before. Inside the mine, stope ceilings began to collapse, clogging the walkways and chutes. Miners ran for their very lives as the ground began to move beneath their feet. From high above, an horrendous sound like a thousand cracks of thunder split the night as a massive wedge of Turtle Mountain broke away and began careening down the mountain. Ahead of it, a huge wall of frigid air was being pushed along.

The mine entrance disappeared entirely, as did the 3 men sitting outside. The solitary coal car eventually ended up over 3 kilometres (2 miles) away across the valley. Seconds after the train engine cleared the bridge, huge rocks hit one end of the wooden structure, twisting it sideways before splashing into the Old Man River.

The wall of air rushed across the valley, ripping houses and tents and occupants apart like twigs and flinging them hundreds of metres across the valley floor, only to be buried under the wall of limestone following close behind.

The power plant was gone in an instant as the rocks spread out like a fan. The main stream ploughed forward, erasing the Dawes cabin and the livery stable. Everything in its path disappeared from existence, including all the temporary homes, the construction camp (including a boxcar full of dynamite), the cemetery, and Alex Graham's farm.

One spur of limestone shot toward the east. James Graham's two-storey farmhouse, along with the bunkhouse, was buried under 30 metres (100 feet) of limestone. Another spur followed the banks of the Gold Creek with an almost fanatical precision, pushing an icy wall of mud in front of it and smashing through all the buildings across the creek from Frank.

100 seconds later, it was all over.

Survivors described a cracking sound like cannon fire echoing throughout the mountains. A 640 metre high, 915 metre wide, 152 metre thick (2,100 feet by 3,000 feet by 500 feet) wedge of the eastern slope of Turtle Mountain gave way and slid 700 metres (2,300 feet) down the mountain side. An estimated 182,000,000,000,000 kg (one hundred million tons) of limestone slid into the valley and onto the town of Frank.

Joseph Dobeck, working in the train shed only 180 metres (200 yards) from the slide, felt the earth shaking and heard the horrible noise. He stepped outside and looked to the east, but, seeing nothing, returned to his work.

'Mormon' Bill, one of Frank's more interesting local characters, stood outside the Miner's Hotel after a long night of poker and drinking. He was swept off his feet by the blast of air, but passed it all off as too much booze and went home to bed.

John Anderson, awakened by the shaking of the house, thought he could see a cloud of smoke passing his window only steps away from Gold Creek. When the noise stopped, Anderson returned to bed.

Ellen Thornley, who would have been buried under the rock covering her brother's Shoe Shop, was thrown out of bed and dumped unceremoniously on the other side of the room. Dressing quickly, she ran downstairs and into the street where people were already running around in wild confusion. Over the noise and din, Ellen could hear shouts that 'the end of the world had come'. A woman carrying a small child, both dressed only in night clothing, ran toward her. Ellen ripped off her tweed coat and stopped the woman long enough to wrap it around her and the child. With a grateful glance and a whisper of thanks, the woman and child disappeared into the night in the opposite direction of the devastation behind them.

160 kilometres (100 mile) away, two young men had just dropped off their girlfriends after a dance at Cochrane. The driver reined in the team when they heard what they thought was a cannon being fired somewhere to the south.

North West Mounted Police Constable Robert Leard was awakened by the noise. He dressed quickly and ran toward the station. No-one seemed to know what happened except that a huge explosion must have occurred at the mine. His first thought was to get help from the outside.

When Leard arrived at the station, he found the train crew recovering from their brush with death while the two brakemen, Choquette and Lowes were already preparing to set out across the rockslide to flag down the Spokane Flyer, which would arrive within 20 minutes. Without any warning, they could slam right into the wall of rock blocking the tracks. The eastbound telegraph lines were gone, so Leard sent out calls for help to Cranbrook to the west.

Choquette and Lowes made their way over the mass of rock, their small lanterns barely piercing the darkness and the cloud of dust that still hung over them. Choquette soon became aware that this was unlike anything he had ever seen before. Some of the rocks blocking his path were the size of small apartment buildings. Lowes had to give up in exhaustion, but Choquette pressed on. When he, too was about to give up, he found himself scrambling down the eastern edge of rock, surprisingly right at the spot where the railroad tracks emerged from the rubble. Minutes later, scarred and exhausted, Choquette safely flagged down the Spokane Flyer.

Posted by: Leelee 12-Apr-2009, 03:42 PM
Frank Slide, Alberta
The Day the Mountain Fell


Part 3 - Rescue


George Bond, a traveller who had stopped in Frank to spend the night before moving on, was asleep in the Union Hotel when the hotel began to suddenly twist and shake. His first thought was an earthquake, and, as soon as the building settled, he realized people would need help. Practically dressing himself as he ran down the hall, he was out in the street within minutes where he saw dazed and stunned people already emerging from nearby houses.

To the east, across Gold Creek, he could see a fire burning and set out in that direction along with a group of other people. The bridge across Gold Creek lay in a tangled mass having been washed away by a wall of mud. The men scrambled down the bank, waded across the small stream, and climbed up the other side where their lanterns and the burning fires revealed the horror before them.

Where there should have been a row of 7 houses, there was only rubble, rock and mud. The last house, the Clark house (see 'F' on the map) was completely gone, including Mrs. Clark and her 5 children. The Watkins and Ennis homes lay in a pile of smashed timber. The Ackroyd home was smashed and burning. The Leitch house had been sliced off at the eaves with the top half carried by rock and mud to settle near the banks of Gold Creek. The lower half lay in ruin. The Bansemer home, though surrounded and blocked by debris, stood relatively intact despite having been shoved entirely off its foundation.

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Just before 4:00 a.m., Fred Farrington and Alex Clark had taken a load of coal outside to the mine tipple where they sat down with Tashigan to eat their lunches. Inside the mine, the other miners worked, never realizing that they would never see their friends again.

Just after 4:00 a.m., Alex Grant and his driver felt a shock and then the mine began to tremble. Thinking it was a gas explosion, the two men sprinted off toward the entrance as the floor heaved beneath them and showers of rock and coal rained down upon them. Instead of finding the entrance, they found only a mass of rock, rubble and smashed timbers. Three or four other men soon joined them from the depths of the mine. William Warrington, panicked by their imprisonment, turned to run back into the mine but caught his foot in the rails and fell to the floor, thoroughly wrenching his leg. The pain brought him back to reality and he quickly regained his senses.

Meanwhile, Joe Chapman, who had been working further back, first felt the mine shudder, and then a sudden blast of hot air picked him up off his feet and slammed him against the wall. Temporarily stunned and breathless, the veteran miner quickly recomposed himself and took off down the tracks toward the entrance as fast as he could in the heaving tunnel.

Dan McKenzie had been working on an upper level deep inside the mine when a rush of air smashed him against the side of the tunnel, cutting open his head. Despite feeling the blood which had begun to soak his hair, McKenzie composed himself and raced toward the entrance.

Seventeen miners finally stood at the blocked entrance and considered their options. Several men thought that there couldn't be any more than 15 to 18 metres (50 to 60 feet) from the outside, but one man, who had worked the mine since opening day and knew it intimately, broke the news that they were at least 90 metres (300 feet) from safety.

Warrington, who was unable to walk, remained behind as the other men made their way to the lower level where they hoped to find the exit there still intact. Instead, they were confronted by the rising waters of the Old Man River as it backed up into a lake and began to flood the mine.

Except for the gurgling water, the mine was deathly quiet. Disheartened, the men began to walk back to the main entrance where Warrington was still waiting. Every man became suddenly aware that, in all likelihood, the air shafts had also been pinched off and the air supply would quickly become unbreathable. It was also possible that the tremors had opened up pockets of explosive gas which, being lighter than the air, would be settling into the upper chambers. Their future seemed written in stone.

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Cries of help from what remained of the Ennis home drew the rescuers in that direction. As more lanterns arrived from the town, the men found Sam Ennis, who had already pulled himself out of the rubble burying him, trying to rescue his wife, Lucy, from the beam which pinned her. The rescuers joined him, digging in the cold, wet mud and slime to get her out. For her own part, Lucy had ignored her own serious injuries and had managed to save the life of her baby daughter, Gladys, who had been sleeping in bed with her and her husband. Gladys had been choking and Lucy had found and removed the clod of dirt lodged in her throat.

Sam Ennis joined the rescuers in locating his other three children. Cries from the back of the house lead them to Sam's brother-in-law, James Warrington. As they began to dig him out, James warned them that he could feel something soft beneath him. Carefully, they dug with their hands to remove James only to find Mrs. John Watkins almost buried alive. She had been flung from her house next door and somehow found herself trapped under James. Suffering from shock and internal injuries, Mrs. Watkins was carefully removed from the debris. Small splinters of limestone stuck into her body like a pin cushion.

James Warrington had suffered a broken hip. Lucy Ennis had suffered a broken collarbone. Her eldest boy, Delbert, had severe bruises on his legs and her daughter, Hazel, had been jabbed in the back by a broken board. Except for minor scratches, both Arthur and Gladys were unharmed.

Meanwhile, the two teen-aged Watkins children, Ruby and Thomas, pulled themselves from the rubble. Somewhere in the darkness, they could hear a man's voice shouting and carefully began to make their way over and around the jagged rocks in the direction of the voice. The beacon voice stopped, but the teens could see the lights of Frank and began to move toward them. When they reached Gold Creek, they could see that it was already backing up and was much deeper than it should be. Holding tightly to his sister's hand, Thomas led the way through the chest-deep water to safety. They had no idea of the where-abouts of their mother or their baby sister, Fernie. Nor did they have an inkling that their father was trapped somewhere inside the mine.

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The miners were surprisingly calm despite their circumstances. They had to do something. Each man returned to his work area to gather whatever tools he could carry back to the entrance. Once there, they began the task of digging themselves out.

As the men dug, Dan McKenzie and two others made their way into the upper, older levels of the mine. As suspected, gas was already gathering there, and, as feared, the air shafts had been completely sealed. They returned to find that very little progress was being made at the entrance. As fast as they dug out rubble, more fell into its place. The men began to panic.

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Lester Johnson had felt the blast of wind and had felt the house raise into the air off its foundation. With a crash, it settled back to the ground and began to collapse in on him. He could hear his parents, Charles and Nancy Ackroyd, screaming, then fainted and heard nothing. When he came to, he found himself lying between two enormous boulders which had miraculously settled on either side of him, effectively protecting him. He could see daylight and fires burning nearby, but when he started to pull himself out of the shelter toward the light, he discovered that a board had been rammed into his right side and was catching on the rocks. Lester fainted again from the pain.

When he regained consciousness again, it was broad daylight. Lester could see and hear Sam Ennis and others digging in the ruins where the Leitch home had once stood. Gritting his teeth, he managed to break off the lath and crawled slowly out into the open air. He didn't even realize that he was naked, his pyjamas having either been torn off by the rocks or blown off by the wind. Carefully, Lester crawled through the rubble until he reached the creek and somehow managed to swim and wade across. Shivering from the cold, Lester made his way to the Williams home just beyond the creek. The Williams' were so excited to see him that no-one noticed that he was naked and wounded until Lester mentioned it. Mrs. Williams examined the wound and found it full of feathers. The lath had pierced the mattress before before becoming lodged in Lester's side, carrying the feathers along with it. Wrapping him in blankets, the Williams' put Lester in an old iron wheelbarrow for a bumpy, cold ride to Dr. Malcomson's home and hospital near the river.

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At dawn, a second search party had gathered to plan the rescue of the miners trapped inside Turtle Mountain. The mine bridge was destroyed and the Old Man River was already becoming a lake. Travelling across the limestone dam was out of the question. The boulders were still shifting and the mountain side was still crumbling, showering rocks to the valley below. While the mining engineer tried to locate the entrance to the mine using the plans, other men ran about gathering up timber in order to build a makeshift raft.

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Some say that Joe Chapman, the foreman, took charge. Some say it was Dan McKenzie. Others claim that Charlie Farrell took the lead. Whoever it was realized that that the air was quickly becoming fouled and they would be dead before they could dig through the entrance. He convinced the others that a vertical shaft of coal deeper in the mine might be their best chance of reaching the surface. The plan was feasible, and at least as certain of success as trying to open the entrance.

Somewhere between 8:30 and 9:00, the miners worked in relays of two or three men at a time. Work was slow but steady, and their progress urged them on. Most men grudgingly gave up their turn to dig when it was time for the next group to take over.

Around mid-afternoon, 3 men returned to the entrance to re-examine the prospects of escape. They realized then the impossibility of escape this way and returned to the others to continue digging upwards.

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George Bond, the traveller from Ottawa, moved toward the Leitch house after having rescued the Ennis family. While the top of the house had been sheered off and carried away by the sludge and slime, the rest of the cottage lay in crumpled ruin. The rescuers found an opening in the back of the house and crawled into the back room where they found the two girls, Jessie and Rosemary, curled up on a double bed with a ceiling joist lodged between them. Edgar Ash, pit boss at the mine, checked carefully for injuries and entrapment, and, finding none, quickly pulled the girls from their prison and passed them to others who waited to pass them to the eager rescuers outside.

In the next room, other searchers found the bodies of two of the four boys. In the third room, they found the bodies of Alex Leitch and his wife. The other two boys, who were buried even deeper in the rubble, were not found until the following day, Thursday, April 30.

Marion, the baby, was not found anywhere near the house. Mrs. Bansemer heard her cries and directed rescuers toward the sound. Baby Marion was found lying on a bale of hay. The same power which had twisted iron rails into pretzels had also picked up that bale of hay from the livery stable almost a kilometre (half mile) away and placed it at the very spot where it would also drop a tiny baby.

Jessie and Rosemary were later taken to the home of family-friend Herman Trelle, who would care for them until their uncle, Archibald, could come from Cranbrook to take them back to his home.

Edgar Ash finally located the third Watkins child, Fernie May, lying cold and dirty behind some rocks not far from where the house had once stood.

Fernie Watkins was the last person to be found alive in the sea of rubble and limestone.

Andy Grissack was later found on the other side of the slide near the river. He was entangled in his tent and still clutched an iron fry pan in his hand.

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With the raft built and the approximate location of the mine entrance located, a rope was strung from one bank of the river to the other. It took several trips across to transport all the men and their tools to the opposite side, then, while one group of men scoured the mountain above for new slides, the other group tackled the task of digging a new entrance tunnel. They worked in fifteen minute shifts, certain that their efforts would be in vain. No-one could possibly have survived the catastrophe.

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The oxygen supply in the mine was quickly dwindling. Some of the men became anxious and excited. Others became despondent and morose. In the beginning, they had sung songs to keep up their spirits and courage. Now it was late in the afternoon and most were quiet, hoping to conserve the last of their air supply. With most of the men slumped in exhaustion against the mine walls, or hanging their heads in fear or prayer, only Dan McKenzie and two others continued to dig in earnest.

Suddenly, without warning, Dan McKenzie's pick broke through the surface and the narrow shaft was flooded with sunlight. A blast of fresh air washed over him and down to the relieved miners below.

It was too dangerous to escape through the tunnel. Rocks were still cascading down the mountain side. But, with renewed energy and hope, the men began a new tunnel upward through 10 metres (36 feet) of coal and clay. Thirteen hours after the slide had sealed them in a tomb, they broke through once again on the lee side of some embedded boulders which shielded them from falling rocks above.

Posted by: Leelee 12-Apr-2009, 03:47 PM
Frank Slide, Alberta
The Day the Mountain Fell


Part 4 - Aftermath


Dan McKenzie was the first man to step out into daylight to see for the first time the horrendous devastation below. The magnitude of it caught his breath and raised a lump in his throat. The north-east face of Turtle Mountain was gone. The rock slide had fanned out into the valley like a giant hand almost 2.5 kilometres (1˝ miles) wide and 1.5 kilometres (1 mile) to the tips of the deadly fingers.

John Watkins looked down to where his house should have been. Soon he would discover that his 3 children were safe and that his wife was recovering in hospital.

William Warrington, who was lifted out strapped to a plank, could only stare at the spot where his wife, his 3 children and his friend, Alex Dixon, lay buried beneath a massive limestone tomb.

Gone was the electrical power plant. Gone were the livery stable and the Dawes home. Gone were the Shoe Shop and the cabin where the Lancashire miners were staying. Gone were the construction camp and the homes of both Alex and James Graham.

Gone was all hope for the inhabitants.

When the final tally came in, the numbers were staggering.

The Dead

Among the dead were:

Alexander and Rosemary Leitch and their sons, John, Wilfred, Allan and Athol.
Charles Ackroyd and his wife, Nancy.
John McVeigh, J. J. Scott and Joseph Britton from the McVeigh & Poupore camp, along with an estimated 10 other unknown labourers.
James Graham and his wife, his two sons John and Joseph and the two hired Johnson lads from Calgary.
Alexander Graham and his wife.
The Vandusen family; father, mother, and two children.
Six unnamed Lancashire miners.
Mrs. William Warrington, three children and houseguest Alex Dixon.
George Williams, his wife, his three children, and his brother-in-law, Thomas Locke.
Alfred Dawe and his two Welsh friends.
Robert Watt and Francis Rochette from the livery stable.
Thomas Delap, the engineer working in the power plant.
Alex Tashigan and Fred Farrington outside the mine entrance.
Alex Clark (killed outside the mine entrance), his wife and six children.
Single miners: J. Sietta, Andy Grissick, D. Madigan, T. Foster, J. W. Clark, E. Krusa, J. Gustavus, G. Lemosike and D. Yonack. (There were quite possibly others.)

Rumours persist to this day that there may have been at least 50 other men camped in the valley that night. The truth lies buried for eternity.
Of the 76 known and listed dead, only 12 bodies were ever recovered.

The Survivors

Many people claimed to be survivors of the Frank Slide. People like Lillian Clark, or Ellen and John Thornby, survived only in the sense that circumstances decreed that they would be in another place that fateful night.

The true survivors were those who had 'been in the rocks', and they were pitifully few:

Mrs. John Watkins (severely injured) and her three children, Thomas, Fernie and Ruby.
Sam and Lucy Ennis and their children, Delbert, James, Arthur, Hazel and Gladys.
James Warrington.
Lester Johnson, son of Charles and Nancy Ackroyd.
Marion, Jessie and Rosemary Leitch, daughters of Alexander and Rosemary Leitch.
Annie Bansemer and her children, Alex, Carl Jr., Frances, Rose, Hilda, Kate and Harold.

In all, only 23 people.
The 17 miners could also be added to the list as the slide had meant certain death for them. Only their courage, strength and ingenuity allowed them to survive:

Joseph Chapman; Dan McKenzie; Evan Jones; William Warrington; Alex Grant; 'Shorty' Dawson; Alex McPhail; John Watkins and Charles Farrell. There were 8 others whose names have been lost over time.

One final 'survivor' was one of the mine horses, Charlie. On May 30, a month after the slide, workers had successfully opened the mine. Inside, they found Charlie who had somehow managed to survive by drinking seepage water and chewing on the wooden coal cars and timbers. Charlie was unable to survive the welcome of his rescuers, however, and died shortly after being found from an overdose of oats and brandy.

The mine was reopened temporarily, but was closed permanently in October 1911.

Frank Slide remains a gigantic limestone monument without equal. It lies there still at the base of Turtle Mountain, testimony and reminder of 100 seconds of wind, rock, dust, terror, death and survival.



Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 12-Apr-2009, 04:33 PM
QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 12-Apr-2009, 09:26 AM)
If I did this all correctly this link http://maceoghainn.celticradio.us/A_Different_View.pps should take you to a PowerPoint file you can download or run that says a lot about our Canadian Friends.

Well done Canada!

(you may need to download the Microsoft PowerPoint Viewer from Microsoft to view this file. It can be found here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=048DC840-14E1-467D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485&displaylang=en)

Thank you so very much MacEoghainn!! There's not much that can bring me to tears, but seeing all those people there honouring the fallen was certainly too much for my tear ducts to handle.

I MISS MY HOMELAND!! GOD BLESS CANADA!!

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 12-Apr-2009, 05:23 PM
QUOTE (MacDonnchaidh @ 12-Apr-2009, 05:33 PM)
Thank you so very much MacEoghainn!! There's not much that can bring me to tears, but seeing all those people there honouring the fallen was certainly too much for my tear ducts to handle.

I MISS MY HOMELAND!! GOD BLESS CANADA!!

MacDonnchaidh,

Your homeland???? Are you Canadian ??? If so, from where?

Just curious...

LOA smile.gif

Posted by: Patch 12-Apr-2009, 06:02 PM
Lady-of-Avalon:

That was an excellent piece of Canadian History!!

Thank you

Slŕinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 12-Apr-2009, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (Lady-of-Avalon @ 12-Apr-2009, 07:23 PM)
MacDonnchaidh,

Your homeland???? Are you Canadian ??? If so, from where?

Just curious...

LOA  smile.gif

Yes indeed, I am from the Great White North biggrin.gif . St. Luc, Quebec is my birthplace (no, unfortunately I cannot speak french) but my family is from Nova Scotia (Halifax area) and Cape Breton along with my Newfie grandmother.

Posted by: Camac 13-Apr-2009, 07:17 AM
MacEoghainn;

Again thank you for posting the photos. I think the Repatriation Ceremony and the Highway Of Heroes says more about who we Canadians are than all the boasting and drum beating could ever do. It is our way, quiet and reserved.

IT'S CANADIAN EH!


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 13-Apr-2009, 08:42 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 13-Apr-2009, 09:17 AM)
MacEoghainn;

Again thank you for posting the photos. I think the Repatriation Ceremony and the Highway Of Heroes says more about who we Canadians are than all the boasting and drum beating could ever do. It is our way, quiet and reserved.

IT'S CANADIAN EH!


Camac.

I posted a new topic about how we handle the return of our deceassed soldiers in America. The AP links will not post on CR for some reason but I gave a brief description of a father's observations.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: valpal59 13-Apr-2009, 10:20 AM
QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 12-Apr-2009, 08:26 AM)
If I did this all correctly this link http://maceoghainn.celticradio.us/A_Different_View.pps should take you to a PowerPoint file you can download or run that says a lot about our Canadian Friends.

Well done Canada!

(you may need to download the Microsoft PowerPoint Viewer from Microsoft to view this file. It can be found here: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=048DC840-14E1-467D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485&displaylang=en)

Thank you for the link. I have emailed it to everyone in my address book.

Still trying to get caught up on this topic. Miss a couple of days and you get way behind.

Val

Posted by: valpal59 13-Apr-2009, 10:47 AM
LeeLee,
Thank you for posting that piece of history. I was riveted to the story. In the blink of an eye everything can be gone, but amazingly there are some that survive. All I can say is " wow" .

Val

Posted by: Camac 13-Apr-2009, 01:18 PM
To get back to Canada and Who we are, two questions:-

1: What is Canadas' National Sport?

2: As the eagle is Americas' National Animal, what is Canadas'?


Camac.

Posted by: valpal59 13-Apr-2009, 01:44 PM
Camac,
Hope google is right:
1. lacrosse
2. beaver

Val

Posted by: Camac 13-Apr-2009, 02:13 PM
valpal;
You got them right but it's kind of a trick question in that up until 1994 Lacrosse was our National Sport then Parliament got involved so now we have two National Sports:- A Summer National Sport = Lacrosse, and a Winter National Sport = Hockey. Most people think the Maple Leaf is our National Emblem but it is the Beaver, So old Bucky is our National Animal and our National Emblem all because the little booger has a nice fur coat. Canada was built on the Beaver Fur Trade.


Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 13-Apr-2009, 02:22 PM
QUOTE
valpal59 Posted on 13-Apr-2009, 10:47 AM
LeeLee,
Thank you for posting that piece of history. I was riveted to the story. In the blink of an eye everything can be gone, but amazingly there are some that survive. All I can say is " wow" .

Val


Thanks valpal59 smile.gif I knew the story about the Frank Slide, but this segment is more detailed than what I had heard. We stopped and camped near the site on our way to B.C. and it still gives me chills. We still have slides today and have to close the road (rocks and avalanches-Roger's Pass).

Posted by: Camac 14-Apr-2009, 08:23 AM
Valpal;

Just another short blip in Cdn History:= 29 May 1914, 2:00am, St. Lawrence River just off the town of Rimouski, Quebec, RMS Empress of Ireland owned and operated by Canadian Pacific Steamships collided in the fog with the Norwegian collier Storstad sinking in 14 minutes taking 1012 of 1477 passengers with her. This was the greatest Maritime Disasters in Cdn. history and rivals that of the Titanic which sank 15 April 1912. Of the Passengers 134 Children and 279 women were lost .In the total of 1012 dead 840 were passengers, 4 more that the Titanic.


Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 14-Apr-2009, 03:01 PM
Many of you have most likely read this in your past emails, but we have been doing this for the past couple of years in memory of the fallen soldiers. It is great to see how many Canadians participate in this small gesture smile.gif

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Last week, while traveling to Toronto on business, I noticed an army sergeant traveling with a folded flag, but did not put two and two together.

After we boarded our flight, I turned to the sergeant, who'd been invited to sit in First Class ( across from me), and inquired if he was heading home.

'No', he responded.

'Heading out', I asked?

'No. I'm escorting a soldier home.'

'Going to pick him up?'

'No. He is with me right now. He was killed in Afganistan, I'm taking him home to his family.'

The realization of what he had been asked to do hit me like a punch to the gut. It was an honor for him. He told me that, although he didn't know the soldier, he had delivered the news of his passing to the soldier's family and felt as if he knew them after many conversations in so few days.

I turned back to him, extended my hand, and said, 'Thank you. Thank you for doing what you do so my family and I can do what we do.'

Upon landing in Toronto , the pilot stopped short of the gate and made the following announcement over the intercom.

'Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to note that we have had the honor of having Sergeant Steeley of the Canadian Armed Forces join us on this flight. He is escorting a fallen comrade back home to his family. I ask that you please remain in your seats when we open the forward door to allow Sergeant Steeley to deplane and receive his fellow soldier. We will then turn off the seat belt sign.'

Without a sound, all went as requested. I noticed the sergeant saluting the casket as it was brought off the plane, and his action made me realize that I am proud to be a Canadian.

So here's a public Thank You to our military Men and Women for what you do so we can live the way we do.

Red Fridays.

Very soon, you will see a great many people wearing Red every Friday. The reason? Canadians who support our troops used to be called the 'silent majority.' We are no longer silent, and are voicing our love for God, country and home in record breaking numbers. We are not organized, boisterous or overbearing.

Many Canadians, like you, me and all our friends, simply want to recognize that the vast majority of Canadians supports our troops. Our idea of showing solidarity and support for our troops with dignity and respect starts this Friday and continues each and every Friday until the troops all come home, sending a deafening message that every red-blooded Canadian who supports our men and women afar, will wear something red.

By word of mouth, press, TV -- let's make Canada on every Friday a sea of red much like a homecoming Hockey game in the bleachers. If every one of us who loves this country will share this with acquaintances, co-workers, friends, and family, it will not be long before the Canada is covered in RED and it will let our troops know the once 'silent' majority is on their side more than ever, certainly more than the media lets on.

The first thing a soldier says when asked 'What can we do to make things better for you?' is 'We need your support and your prayers.' Let's get the word out and lead with class and dignity, by example, and wear something red every Friday.

Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 14-Apr-2009, 04:01 PM
Thank you Leelee.
Although I am down south of the border, I will be wearing red on Fridays, and if someone asks why then I will proudly tell them.

Posted by: Leelee 15-Apr-2009, 06:49 AM
QUOTE
MacDonnchaidh Posted on 14-Apr-2009, 04:01 PM
Thank you Leelee.
Although I am down south of the border, I will be wearing red on Fridays, and if someone asks why then I will proudly tell them.


Fantastic MacDonnchaidh biggrin.gif I have friends that own a place in Phoenix. It seems that my niece will also be moving south of the border soon. The great thing is, they will still intend to honour "Red Fridays". If more Canadians that live in the US continue this, perhaps it will be adapted by the Americans.....they could where Blue, maybe, in honour of their fallen cool.gif

Posted by: oldraven 15-Apr-2009, 06:59 AM
Thanks LeeLee. I have not received this email, but rest assured I'll be doing the same as well. Of course, I don't work fridays, so it'll be just for me and the kids, but who better to learn this than them?

I've had the chance to walk around the Frank site. Erie is an understatement. It's really hard to get a real understanding of how devastating this slide was unless you can stand down at the highway and see how far up the opposite slope the rock and debris went after crashing into the town. It must have been instant, and I'm sure a good many people weren't even woken by the slide before it hit.

Here are some photos I took when I went on a fishing trip with my Dad and Brother in the Crows Nest Pass a few years ago. These show just how far the rock went, uphill, after crashing down on the town, which was at the base of the mountain.

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This photo is of the mountain next to the slide, and shows what the area the town was in would have looked like.
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Posted by: oldraven 15-Apr-2009, 07:06 AM
Just to add a thought. Could you imagine what was going through the minds of the miners who dug themselves out? They likely thought they were digging through a simple mine collapse (as if that's only a trifle), but would emerge to find the shaft didn't go back to the surface anymore, since the surface was now gone. Triumph at getting back to the light again, swallowed instantly by the realization that their families and homes were gone forever. Such an awful tragedy.

Posted by: Camac 15-Apr-2009, 07:21 AM
Leelee;

It's been a couple of years now that Red Friday has been around and I'm one who wears Red. This coming Friday I'm off the a supper at the legion and you can bet your boots alot of us will be wearing Red. May the Creator watch over each and every one of our young Warriors and bring them safely Home.


Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 15-Apr-2009, 12:23 PM
QUOTE
oldraven Posted on 15-Apr-2009, 06:59 AM

Thanks LeeLee. I have not received this email, but rest assured I'll be doing the same as well. Of course, I don't work fridays, so it'll be just for me and the kids, but who better to learn this than them?

I've had the chance to walk around the Frank site. Erie is an understatement


Aye, oldraven, keep the Tradition going biggrin.gif Thanks for posting the up-to-date pictures of Frank Slide.....yep, still looks eerie to me. I don't even want to imagine being one of the townfolk or miners that were buried alive....absolutely tragic is an understatement.

Posted by: Leelee 15-Apr-2009, 12:26 PM
QUOTE
Camac  Posted on 15-Apr-2009, 07:21 AM
Leelee;

It's been a couple of years now that Red Friday has been around and I'm one who wears Red. This coming Friday I'm off the a supper at the legion and you can bet your boots alot of us will be wearing Red. May the Creator watch over each and every one of our young Warriors and bring them safely Home.


Hats off to you, my dear Camac smile.gif thumbs_up.gif Is there anyway you can take a camera to your Legion Supper? It would be so cool to see the Patriotic Sea of Red shirts, posted in this Thread smile.gif Enjoy your Supper thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Camac 15-Apr-2009, 12:54 PM
Leelee;

No problem I will take my camera and post the pictures. Just hope all the old foggies remember to wear Red. Sometime you have to kickstart us old boogers.

Camac.




Posted by: Leelee 16-Apr-2009, 06:51 AM
QUOTE
Camac Posted on 15-Apr-2009, 12:54 PM
Leelee;

No problem I will take my camera and post the pictures. Just hope all the old foggies remember to wear Red. Sometime you have to kickstart us old boogers.
Camac.


laugh.gif laugh.gif Can't wait to see the pics smile.gif Don't "kickstart" them too hard, Camac....all Vets are precious to us thumbs_up.gif


Posted by: Camac 16-Apr-2009, 06:57 AM
Leelee;

Never been called precious before. Guess being a Vet has its' perks.



Camac. rolleyes.gif angel_not.gif

Posted by: oldraven 16-Apr-2009, 07:14 AM
Any time you need a kick, I'll be happy to oblige. biggrin.gif Anything to lend a helping.... foot.

Posted by: Camac 16-Apr-2009, 07:24 AM
oldraven;

Thank you for the offer but no thanks bought myself one of then new fangled electric starters. Works pretty good. laugh.gif laugh.gif


Camac

PS. On a more somber note: Young Trooper Blais of the Van Doos arrives Home to-day at 2:00 pm at C.F.B. Trenton.

Posted by: Leelee 16-Apr-2009, 05:56 PM
The History of Banff, Alberta


The Rocky Mountains were formed 175 million years ago, as the Pacific tectonic plate slowly moved under the North American plate. As this plate moved, it forced all the land mass together, causing this large amount of rock to move upward. As the years passed, the wind, water and glaciers carved out the beautiful formations and caused the mountains to slowly erode. Even today, examples of this can be seen not far from Banff in the Glacier National Park , and the cycle of erosion and growth continues.

The first visitors to Banff were the native people of Canada, with archaeological records from 11 000 BC, when the Crees, Kootenays and Plains Blackfoot were believed to have lived in the region of the bow valley, hunting and fishing in the vast natural region.

The isolation of the Pacific coast from the rest of Canada was almost complete during this period. The only practical route from the Pacific coast to England was by sea around Cape Horn . When the North West Company was absorbed by the Hudson 's Bay Company in 1821, Dr. John McLoughlin was sent to superintend the affairs of the latter organization in the huge area lying between the Rockies and the Pacific and reaching as far south as California.

The first recorded visit of a European to the Rockies is Anthony Hendy, in 1754. Later on, in 1800, David Thompson and Duncan McGillvray explored the bow valley and the area beyond. These two gentlemen are well documented in having mapped out a large part of western Canada . It was not until 1886, when the Canadian Pacific railroad set up its trans-continental line that Banff became the true tourist destination.

Up until the 1880's, the Rocky Mountains were seen as a hunter and trappers land. This area was used as a part of the fur trade, with the large demand for beaver furs in England and Europe . The trappers and hunters of the Northwest Corporation and the Hudson Bay Corporation mapped out much of this land in their pursuit of the Canadian beaver, never knowing the future of their trap lines were the birth of a country.

When the government of Canada promised the province of British Columbia a railway line from coast to coast in exchange for joining the dominion of Canada instead of the United States , it was necessary to find a route over the majestic Rockies . This was no easy task, one that fell to Major "Hells Bells" Rogers, a man so tough and surely who seemed to survive on a diet of chewing tobacco and raw beans. The Major did find a way across the Rockies, and in 1883 the Canadian Pacific Railway was built through Sliding 29, now known as the Town of Banff.

Much of Banff is a result of the Canadian Pacific Railway and it's history. The famous hot springs at Sulphur Mountain were discovered by 3 railway workers, the first major hotel was constructed by the Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) company, even the name Banff originates from Banffshire , Scotland , the birthplace of the presidents of the CN rail at the time. For this reason, the Fairmont Banff Springs was the main lodging in the region. When Cornelius Van Horn, the general manager of the CPR came out to the Rockies to see the route his train must take, he came up with the famous quote: "Since we can't export the scenery, we'll have to import the tourists." Van Horn went on to ensure that there was the best accommodation for his guests as they travel the railway, making way for such grand hotels as the Fairmont Banff Springs, the Fairmont Lake Louise, and the Fairmont Jasper Park Lodge. Van Horn was so involved, that upon visiting the location of the current Banff Springs, he noticed that the guestrooms overlooked the trees and the kitchen overlooked the valley. It only takes a second to see the incredible view from the Banff Springs to know what a foolish move this was. As a result the construction was changed and the guest rooms looked out over the valley.

In 1887 Banff receives National Park status, and five years later Lake Louise is added to the Rocky Mountains Park. By 1895, Kootenay Lakes Forest Park (now known as Waterton Lakes National Park ) is established. In 1900 Bill and Jim Brewster begin their guiding and outfitting company, building the area's tourist trade. In 1902, Rocky Mountains Park is expanded to its current size. In 1920, BC donates lands of Kootenay to be Canada 's 10th National Park.

After the Second World War, booming populations in western Canada and the expansion of air and car travel increased awareness of the Rocky Mountains. In 1956, the Trans-Canada Highway is completed through to Yoho and continued westward. In 1961, the Icefields Parkway is upgraded to a paved road and by 1970, the Yellowhead Highway officially opens to join Edmonton, Jasper and British Columbia.

Over the following years, many fundamental components of today's tourism industry are opened or expanded. In 1964, the Jasper Tram is built south of town to the top of Whistlers Mountain . In 1968, the Radium Hot Springs' Aquacourt is completed. In 1977, the Alberta Government establishes Kananaskis Country east of Banff National Park , using money from its booming "Heritage Trust Fund". In 1980, Sunshine Village begins to operate its gondola to bring skiers up the hill, and in 1984 begins summer season operations. In 1985, the National Parks' centennial year (they become a World Heritage Site), the Cave & Basin Hot Springs reopens after major renovations.

Lake Louise - History


One of Canadian history's most intrepid travelers of the west was Tom Wilson. This man was an outfitter, guide, trapper, hunter and surveyor. He was so tough that at the age of 40, he was out checking his traps, when he fell through the ice. Knowing that he would die if he stopped, he walked until he reached a settlement, at the cost of his toes. His comments at this time was "well at least I lost them all and I will not be uneven"

One spring day when out with his native Stoney guides Tom heard thunder on a day without clouds. Asking his guides about the loud noise, his guides led him to the place they referred to as Ho-run-num-nay, the " Lake of the Little Fishes". The beauty of this lake and the glacier behind it inspired Tom to name it Emerald Lake . The lake was later renamed Lake Louise in honor of Princess Louise, the daughter of Queen Elisabeth.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 16-Apr-2009, 05:58 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 16-Apr-2009, 08:24 AM)
oldraven;

Thank you for the offer but no thanks bought myself one of then new fangled electric starters. Works pretty good. laugh.gif laugh.gif


Camac

PS. On a more somber note: Young Trooper Blais of the Van Doos arrives Home to-day at 2:00 pm at C.F.B. Trenton.

Yes, this is becoming more and more painful for sure.

But again all those that enroll knows the risks and frankly if you want my honest opinion...these young men and women that choose to become soldiers have my respect because of their discipline which lacks within our youth to day.

I write this and can hear Don Cherry in "coach corner" and everytime one of our soldier die in service he cries.

LOA

Posted by: Camac 17-Apr-2009, 08:08 AM
LOA;

He's not the only one.


Camac.

Posted by: Camac 18-Apr-2009, 08:37 AM
Some more information on Canada:- Nunavut:- Canadas newest Territory established on 1 April 1999 when the land claim was settled and the Northwest Territories was divided.. It has a population of 31,556 and is the size of Western Europe. It is the largest self-governed Native area in North America. If Nunavut were a country it would rank about 13th in the world. Both the Magnetic and Geographical North Poles lie within its boundaries. Nunavut has a seat in Parliament and an appointed Senator. Internally it has a Consenus Government and no political parties. Its flag is yellow and white with a red Innukshuk in the centre and the North Star in the upper right. Alert, pop. 75 the northernmost permanently inhabited settlement in the world is located on the tip of Ellesmere Island, Nunavut.


Camac

Posted by: Leelee 18-Apr-2009, 08:50 AM
Alright now...who donned their red proudly yesterday????

I have a bit of a Questionnaire for our neighbors and anyone else that care to play along.....


What Canadians Think About


1. What Province is most likely to support the decriminalization of marijuana?

Ontario
British Columbia
Quebec
New Brunswick

2. Three-quarters of Canadians expressed worry about which specific crime?

Terrorism
Identity Theft
Bank Fraud
Tax Evasion

3. What do Canadians think will fix Healthcare?

More Doctors
More Nurses
More Money
Less Abuse

4. Which Province is most likely support the Death Penalty?

Alberta
Saskatchewan
Manitoba
British Columbia

5. Which beverage is the preferred drink for Long Weekends?

Beer
Wine
Water
Pop

6. What aspect during everyday life is the leading cause of stress among Canadians?

Family
Finances
Vacations
Work

7. Canadians living in Alberta are most likely to relax by doing which activity?

Fishing
Reading
Walking
Sleeping

8. What would the majority of Canadians do with another Long Weekend?

Hang out with family & friends
Do physical stuff
Just veg out
Go camping

9. Where does Canada rate in the world in terms of Internet use?

First
Fifth
Twenty-Fifth
Second

10. Which of the following represents the top environmental concern among Canadians?

Garbage Disposal
Air Pollution
Recycling
Water Pollution

11. Which Province has the highest number of people who believe in God but the lowest in actual Church attendance?

Nova Scotia
Prince Edward Island
Quebec
Saskatchewan

12. Which do Canadians find most aggravating?

Traffic
People who crack their knuckles
Someone reading over your shoulder
Getting sand in your bathing suit

13. Which celebrity would Canadians most like to garden with?

Kathy Renwald
Martha Stewart
Nicole Kidman
Shania Twain

14. What would a typical Canadian do if he/she won the Lottery?

Share it with family
Start a business
Go shopping
Travel

15. Which health concern is the top worry of most Canadians?

Cancer
Angina
High Blood Pressure
Diabetes

16. Which food do 91% of Canadians agree is healthy?

Steak
Apples
Potato Chips
Yoghurt

17. Which Province has the highest concentration of people who read the labels on their food?

Alberta
British Columbia
Ontario
Quebec

18. Where in Canada are you most likely to have your heart broken?

Yukon
Prince Edward Island
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland

19. Where in Canada would you find support for the Constitutional Monarchy the highest?

Ontario
Quebec
Western Canada
Atlantic Canada

20. Who do Canadians think was our best Prime Minister during the 20th Century?

Lester B. Pearson
Pierre Trudeau
Sir Wilfred Laurier
John Diefenbaker

If you're willing, give it a shot....answers to come later biggrin.gif


Posted by: Camac 18-Apr-2009, 09:12 AM


Leelee;

1. BC
2. Identity Theft
3. Less Abuse
4. Alberta
5. Beer
6. Finances
7. Fishing
8. Veg out
9. No idea
10. Water Polution
11. Quebec
12. Traffic
13. Shania Twain
14. Share with family
15. High Blood pressure
16. Apples
17. Quebec
18. Saskatchewan
19. Western Canada
20. (personally Trudeau) Si Wifird Laurie


Camac.


PS. I wore RED, but I couldn`t get to the dinner so I don`t know how many comrades wore it.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 18-Apr-2009, 09:18 AM
QUOTE (Leelee @ 18-Apr-2009, 09:50 AM)
Alright now...who donned their red proudly yesterday????

I have a bit of a Questionnaire for our neighbors and anyone else that care to play along.....


What Canadians Think About


1. What Province is most likely to support the decriminalization of marijuana?

Ontario
British Columbia
Quebec
New Brunswick

2. Three-quarters of Canadians expressed worry about which specific crime?

Terrorism
Identity Theft
Bank Fraud
Tax Evasion

3. What do Canadians think will fix Healthcare?

More Doctors
More Nurses
More Money
Less Abuse

4. Which Province is most likely support the Death Penalty?

Alberta
Saskatchewan
Manitoba
British Columbia

5. Which beverage is the preferred drink for Long Weekends?

Beer
Wine
Water
Pop

6. What aspect during everyday life is the leading cause of stress among Canadians?

Family
Finances
Vacations
Work

7. Canadians living in Alberta are most likely to relax by doing which activity?

Fishing
Reading
Walking
Sleeping

8. What would the majority of Canadians do with another Long Weekend?

Hang out with family & friends
Do physical stuff
Just veg out
Go camping

9. Where does Canada rate in the world in terms of Internet use?

First
Fifth
Twenty-Fifth
Second

10. Which of the following represents the top environmental concern among Canadians?

Garbage Disposal
Air Pollution
Recycling
Water Pollution

11. Which Province has the highest number of people who believe in God but the lowest in actual Church attendance?

Nova Scotia
Prince Edward Island
Quebec
Saskatchewan

12. Which do Canadians find most aggravating?

Traffic
People who crack their knuckles
Someone reading over your shoulder
Getting sand in your bathing suit

13. Which celebrity would Canadians most like to garden with?

Kathy Renwald
Martha Stewart
Nicole Kidman
Shania Twain

14. What would a typical Canadian do if he/she won the Lottery?

Share it with family
Start a business
Go shopping
Travel

15. Which health concern is the top worry of most Canadians?

Cancer
Angina
High Blood Pressure
Diabetes

16. Which food do 91% of Canadians agree is healthy?

Steak
Apples
Potato Chips
Yoghurt

17. Which Province has the highest concentration of people who read the labels on their food?

Alberta
British Columbia
Ontario
Quebec

18. Where in Canada are you most likely to have your heart broken?

Yukon
Prince Edward Island
Saskatchewan
Newfoundland

19. Where in Canada would you find support for the Constitutional Monarchy the highest?

Ontario
Quebec
Western Canada
Atlantic Canada

20. Who do Canadians think was our best Prime Minister during the 20th Century?

Lester B. Pearson
Pierre Trudeau
Sir Wilfred Laurier
John Diefenbaker

If you're willing, give it a shot....answers to come later biggrin.gif

Leelee,

As for wearing red yesterday...well I don't wear red as I find that I look like a Post Canada letter box... but I tell you this is that I give my support in thoughts and prayers... it is my way.

Now I will try and answer your quizz.

1- Quebec
2- Identity theft
3- More doctors
4- British Columbia
5- Beer
6- Finances
7- Fishing
8- Go camping
9- Fifth ???
10- Recycling
11- Quebec
12- Traffic
13- Shania Twain
14-Travel
15- Cancer
16- Apples
17- Alberta
18- This one I don't have any idea
19- Ontario
20- Pierre Elliot Trudeau

I did my best.

LOA smile.gif

Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 18-Apr-2009, 12:12 PM
I wore my red shirt proudly at the pub! But not during the majority of the day, because I was painting the house and didn't want Hunter Green paint all over my only red shirt tongue.gif As for the quiz, unfortunately I have been away from Canadians far too long to be able to make educated guesses.

Posted by: Leelee 19-Apr-2009, 10:01 AM
What Canadians Think About - Answers



1. What Province is most likely to support the decriminalization of marijuana?

Quebec

2. Three-quarters of Canadians expressed worry about which specific crime?

Identity Theft

3. What do Canadians think will fix Healthcare?

Money

4. Which Province is most likely support the Death Penalty?

Alberta

5. Which beverage is the preferred drink for Long Weekends?

Beer

6. What aspect during everyday life is the leading cause of stress among Canadians?

Work

7. Canadians living in Alberta are most likely to relax by doing which activity?

Fishing

8. What would the majority of Canadians do with another Long Weekend?

Hang out with Family & Friends

9. Where does Canada rate in the world in terms of Internet use?

First

10. Which of the following represents the top environmental concern among Canadians?

Water Pollution

11. Which Province has the highest number of people who believe in God but the lowest in actual Church attendance?

Quebec

12. Which do Canadians find most aggravating?

Traffic

13. Which celebrity would Canadians most like to garden with?

Shania Twain

14. What would a typical Canadian do if he/she won the Lottery?

Share with Family

15. Which health concern is the top worry of most Canadians?

Cancer

16. Which food do 91% of Canadians agree is healthy?

Yoghurt

17. Which Province has the highest concentration of people who read the labels on their food?

British Columbia

18. Where in Canada are you most likely to have your heart broken?

Saskatchewan

19. Where in Canada would you find support for the Constitutional Monarchy the highest?

Atlantic Canada

20. Who do Canadians think was our best Prime Minister during the 20th Century?

Pierre Trudeau

Thank you Camac & LOA for taking the Canadian Quiz thumbs_up.gif Here are the answers, there were some toughies.

QUOTE
Camac Posted on 18-Apr-2009, 09:12 AM
PS. I wore RED, but I couldn`t get to the dinner so I don`t know how many comrades wore it.


Oh no, sorry you couldn't make the Dinner sad.gif

QUOTE
Lady-of-Avalon Posted on 18-Apr-2009, 09:18 AM
Well I don't wear red as I find that I look like a Post Canada letter box... but I tell you this is that I give my support in thoughts and prayers... it is my way.


That's just fine, LOA. We all have our own way of honouring our Troops smile.gif

QUOTE
MacDonnchaidh Posted on 18-Apr-2009, 12:12 PM
I wore my red shirt proudly at the pub! But not during the majority of the day, because I was painting the house and didn't want Hunter Green paint all over my only red shirt  tongue.gif  As for the quiz, unfortunately I have been away from Canadians far too long to be able to make educated guesses.


Thanks MacDonnchaidh smile.gif thumbs_up.gif As for the quiz.....eh, so we gave you a refresher tongue.gif How was the Pub?? beer_mug.gif


Posted by: Camac 20-Apr-2009, 08:16 AM
91 years after the American Revolution Canadian Confederation took place. A union of Upper (Ontario),Lower(Quebec) Canada and the Maritimes minus Prince Edward Island and Newfoundland. In the west British Columbia would join only if the Railroad ws pushed across the country to link them with the rest of Canada. At this time also the most of what was to become Canada was owned by the Hudsons' Bay Company and would eventually be cededed to Canada in 1882. Perhaps the biggest incentive to unite into a country came from the U.S.A. Having just fought their Civil War, the U.S. had the largest Army in the World and there were still those amongst the Americans who had their sights on Canada. Remembering the close call just 55 years before in the War of 1812, added weight to the call for union for as a Dominion Canada could fight on a united front and get more help from Great Britain as we were no longer a colony but a member of the Empire. Well as things turned out the Americans had other fish to fry what with their own westward expansion and Canada was left in Peace to forge ahead and mature into the Nation that we are. Close call though if the Yanks had decided to take Canada nothing could have stopped them. Not even the possibility of war with Britan.

Camac.

Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 24-Apr-2009, 08:56 AM
Maj. Michelle Mendes, 30, the third female soldier to die in Afghanistan was found dead on Thursday afternoon, this brings the count up to 118 now. This wasn't even a combat related death.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/24/canadian-soldier-death-kandahar.html

Posted by: Camac 24-Apr-2009, 09:23 AM
MacDonnchaidh;

I read about it this morning in the news. This is her second tour in Afghanistan and the news hinted, but didn't say, suicide. There have been about 4 suicides in afghanistan already but the Cdn. Military is very tight lipped about them. I is not being classed as a combat casualty. They also metioned that part of the reason for the lack of info is that she was assigned to intelligence. Irregardless she died in the service of her country.

All Honour to the Fallen
Lest We Forget.

Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 28-Apr-2009, 06:44 AM
Hey Camac. Most people don't know this, but Newfoundland is not part of the Maritime provinces. It is literally a maritime province in practice and existence, but it's never been part of The Maritimes. wink.gif

Posted by: Camac 28-Apr-2009, 07:07 AM
oldraven;

NFLD. up until 1949 was a seperate British Colony and only joined Canada after 3 Referendums. The Brits didn't want them anymore so they were told to either go Independent or join Canada. Took three votes and alot of money under the table to get them into Canada. I tell you though you gotta Luv the Newfies. Give you the damn shirt off their back. Actually I have found that most Maritimers are also damn descent people warm hearted and kind. They could teach the rest of the country about neighbourliness.



Camac. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: oldraven 28-Apr-2009, 11:04 AM
Oh, that's not to say they aren't welcome to become known as part of The Maritimes. I was actually quite surprised when I found that out, because I grew up thinking they were.

Posted by: Camac 28-Apr-2009, 11:54 AM
OLDRAVEN;

Most people do think of NFLD as part of the Maritimes. I know I forget at times and think so. Pehaps if NFLD had joined during Confederation they would have been included in the Maritimes but they chose to remain a Brit Colony. Any way the main thing is they are part of Canada now and it just wouldn't be the same country without them.



Camac.

Posted by: sisterknight 29-Apr-2009, 12:54 PM
QUOTE (Leelee @ 18-Apr-2009, 10:50 AM)
Alright now...who donned their red proudly yesterday????


1. What Province is most likely to support the decriminalization of marijuana?



Quebec



i wear red every friday...when we are back home (n.cool.gif every place we go in fredericton or oromocto ( cfb gagetown is right there ) all you see is red on people working in the stores as well as students and regular joe-smoe on the streets....yellow ribbons on so many trees as well

and of course quebec would want to decriminalize....we're quebec!!! wink.gif

Posted by: Camac 30-Apr-2009, 08:32 AM
In an earlier post I mentioned that the American Civil War hastened Canadian Confederation and the Birth of our Nation. At the time of the U.S. Civil War the general attitude in Canada was anti-North with bitterness from the American Invasions during the War of 1812 forming a good part of this attitude. It is true though that a few hundred Canadians fought in the Union Army and also in the Confederate Army. In 1864 Confederates raided across the Quebec-Vermont border attacking the town of St. Albans, Vermont, hoping to entice an American Invasion, and draw Great Britain into the war on the Confederate side. In that it failed but this raid along with the Fenian Raids after the War hastened the uniting of the Canadian Colonies. It also convinced Sir John A. MacDonald (First P.M.) that individual states within the American Union had far to much power and he was determined that the same not happen in Canada and that our Constitution (B.N.A {British North America Act} ) insure that we had a strong Federal Govenment. This again helped highlight the differences between our two systems. It has also caused some difficulties over the years but all in all has worked fairly well.


Camac.

Posted by: Keltic 30-Apr-2009, 10:02 AM
Time for my two cents....

When I was working at the House of Commons in Ottawa, I spent many lunch hours in the Library of Parliament, finding dates for a 'Celtic' historic timeline which some day I will finish and have on my website. What always stuck out into my mind were the misadventures of the Fenian brotherhood and their 'raids' into Canada. A few dates:

March 17, 1858 -Republican organization known as the “Fenians” was founded in New York. Named by John O’Mahony in honour of the ancient Fianna, they were dedicated to secure the independence of Ireland, to establish an Irish Republic and to damaging British interests in all parts of the world.

June 1, 1866 - Fenians raid Niagara in two rented tugs and some canal boats. As nobody was awake, they had to knock on doors to get people up. They wanted Canadians to join them and be liberated from the "tyranny of Britain". The good folk of Fort Erie couldn't see things that way, but they wanted to be nice to the strangely dressed men carrying green flags with harps and gold crowns on them. They fed them cooked ham, tea and coffee.

May 20, 1870 - U.S. Fenians make unsuccessful raids into Ontario.

May 25, 1870 - Fenians led by John O’Neill staged a raid at Eccles Hill, Quebec in the Eastern Townships

Oct 5, 1871 - Unsuccessful Fenian raid led by William B. O’Donoghue at Pembina in Manitoba. They did manage to capture the Hudson’s Bay outpost but this was somewhat of a hollow victory as it was unoccupied at the time. American troops were soon on the scene to escort the leader and his men back to the United States.



Fenian Battle Song:
We are a Fenian brotherhood, skilled in the arts of war.
And we’re going to fight for Ireland, the land that we adore;
Many battles have we won, along with the boys in blue,
And we’ll go to capture Canada, for we’ve nothing else to do!

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 01-May-2009, 10:10 AM
QUOTE (Keltic @ 30-Apr-2009, 11:02 AM)
Time for my two cents....

When I was working at the House of Commons in Ottawa, I spent many lunch hours in the Library of Parliament, finding dates for a 'Celtic' historic timeline which some day I will finish and have on my website. What always stuck out into my mind were the misadventures of the Fenian brotherhood and their 'raids' into Canada. A few dates:

March 17, 1858 -Republican organization known as the “Fenians” was founded in New York. Named by John O’Mahony in honour of the ancient Fianna, they were dedicated to secure the independence of Ireland, to establish an Irish Republic and to damaging British interests in all parts of the world.

June 1, 1866 - Fenians raid Niagara in two rented tugs and some canal boats. As nobody was awake, they had to knock on doors to get people up. They wanted Canadians to join them and be liberated from the "tyranny of Britain". The good folk of Fort Erie couldn't see things that way, but they wanted to be nice to the strangely dressed men carrying green flags with harps and gold crowns on them. They fed them cooked ham, tea and coffee.

May 20, 1870 - U.S. Fenians make unsuccessful raids into Ontario.

May 25, 1870 - Fenians led by John O’Neill staged a raid at Eccles Hill, Quebec in the Eastern Townships

Oct 5, 1871 - Unsuccessful Fenian raid led by William B. O’Donoghue at Pembina in Manitoba. They did manage to capture the Hudson’s Bay outpost but this was somewhat of a hollow victory as it was unoccupied at the time. American troops were soon on the scene to escort the leader and his men back to the United States.



Fenian Battle Song:
We are a Fenian brotherhood, skilled in the arts of war.
And we’re going to fight for Ireland, the land that we adore;
Many battles have we won, along with the boys in blue,
And we’ll go to capture Canada, for we’ve nothing else to do!

Thanks for sharing this interesting and educative bits of history Keltic.

I will start some research on that for sure...as I think it's something that was missing in our history classes in school...at least in french schools!!! wink.gif


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Posted by: Camac 08-May-2009, 09:40 AM
Some more of who we are:

After the defeat of Custer at the Little Big Horn in June 1876 the Sioux started migrating North into Canada to escape the pursuing American Forces. In November 1876 Supt. Walsh of the North West Mounted Police ( now the R.C.M.P.)
was informed by scouts that a large band of Sioux had camped around Fort Walsh in the Cyprus Hills of Saskatchewan. Setting out with 12 Constables, Supt. Walsh arrived at Fort Walsh to discover a band of 2,000 Sioux under Dark Moon were indeed camped there. He immediately informed Dark Moon that they could remain only if they obeyed Canadian Law. There was to be no raiding into the United States nor any inter-tribal warfare as the Sioux were the blood enemy of many Canadian Tribes. This took some brass, 13 policemen confronted 2000 Sioux who had just 4 months prior defeated "Yellow Hair" Custer. Soon two other bands joined Dark Moon the last led by Sitting Bull the acknowledged leader of the Sioux Resistance. Within two years, though, the Sioux were forced to return to the U.S. when the Government in Ottawa refused to give them reserves to live on or to continue supplying food. The threat of starvation forced the Sioux to return to the U.S. and surrender to the Army. Because of this shabby treatment by Ottawa Supt. Walsh resigned in protest. Not all Sioux returned and to-day there are many descendents of these proud First Nations People living in Canada much to our betterment.


Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 08-May-2009, 12:54 PM
I'm not sure if this was posted elsewhere in CR, but I am posting this here.
Once in a while someone does a nice job of describing a Canadian, this time it was an Australian dentist.

An Australian Definition of a Canadian



In case anyone asks you who a Canadian is . . .

You probably missed it in the local news, but there was a report that someone in Pakistan had advertised in a newspaper an offer of a reward to anyone who killed a Canadian - any Canadian.

An Australian dentist wrote the following editorial to help define what a Canadian is, so they would know one when they found one.

A Canadian can be English, or French, or Italian, Irish, German, Spanish, Polish, Russian or Greek. A Canadian can be Mexican, African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, Arab, Pakistani or Afghan.

A Canadian may also be a Cree, Métis, Mohawk, Blackfoot, Sioux, or one of the many other tribes known as native Canadians. A Canadian's religious beliefs range from Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu or none. In fact, there are more Muslims in Canada than in Afghanistan. The key difference is that in Canada they are free to worship as each of them chooses. Whether they have a religion or no religion, each Canadian ultimately answers only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

A Canadian lives in one of the most prosperous lands in the history of the world. The root of that prosperity can be found in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms which recognize the right of each person to the pursuit of happiness.

A Canadian is generous and Canadians have helped out just about every other nation in the world in their time of need, never asking a thing in return. Canadians welcome the best of everything, the best products, the best books, the best music, the best food, the best services and the best minds.

But they also welcome the least - the oppressed, the outcast and the rejected.

These are the people who built Canada. You can try to kill a Canadian if you must as other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world have tried but in doing so you could just be killing a relative or a neighbour. This is because Canadians are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit, everywhere, can be a Canadian.

Well stated IMHO smile.gif thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Camac 10-May-2009, 10:24 AM
Leelee;

I read that somewhere before and it is as good a description as you will get of we Canadians. ( The Gods created the World and saw that it lacked something. So in their infinite wisdom they Created Canada.)


Camac.

Posted by: Camac 11-May-2009, 06:52 AM
The debate over Canada's official Motto is about to flare up again. At present the motto is "A Mari Usque Ad Mare, (From Sea to Sea)" in French "D'un ocean a l'autre". The new motto proposed is in my opinion better befitting of our Nation, "Ad Mari Usque Ad Maria" (From Sea to Sea to Sea)" in French "D'un ocean aux autres". Canada has the longest coast line in the world and our motto should reflect that fact. From the Atlantic to the Pacific to the Arctic. I urge all my fellow Canadians to back this proposed change. After all it is the 21st Century not the 19th.




Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 16-May-2009, 01:37 PM
In Canada, we celebrate the Victoria Day Long Weekend. Here is a bit of History about Victoria Day and why we celebrate it.

Victoria Day


In Canada, the celebration of Victoria Day occurs every year on Monday, prior to May 25th. It is the official celebration in Canada of the birthdays of Queen Victoria and Queen Elizabeth II. Victoria Day was established as a holiday in Canada West (Now Ontario) in 1845, and became a national holiday in 1901. Before Victoria Day became a national Holiday, people had celebrated Empire Day, beginning in the 1890s as Victoria approached her Diamond Jubilee in 1897.

Victoria, Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland and empress of India was born on 24 May 1819. She ascended the throne after the death of her uncle George IV in 1837 when she was only 18. She ruled until her death in 1901 when her son Edward the VII became king of England.

Sovereign's Birthday


The Sovereign's birthday has been celebrated in Canada since the reign of Queen Victoria (1837-1901). May 24, Queen Victoria's birthday, was declared a holiday by the Legislature of the Province of Canada in 1845.

After Confederation, the Queen's birthday was celebrated every year on May 24 unless that date was a Sunday, in which case a proclamation was issued providing for the celebration on May 25.

After the death of Queen Victoria in 1901, an Act was passed by the Parliament of Canada establishing a legal holiday on May 24 in each year (or May 25 if May 24 fell on a Sunday) under the name Victoria Day.

The birthday of King Edward VII, who was born on November 9, was by yearly proclamation during his reign (1901-1910) celebrated on Victoria Day.

It was not an innovation to celebrate the birthday of the reigning sovereign on the anniversary of the birth of a predecessor. In Great Britain, the birthdays of George IV (1820-1830) and William IV (1830-1837) were celebrated on June 4, birthday of George III (1760-1820).

The birthday of King George V, who reigned from 1910 to 1935, was celebrated on the actual date, June 3 or, when that was a Sunday, by proclamation on June 4.

The one birthday of King Edward VIII, who reigned in 1936, was also celebrated on the actual date, June 23.

King George VI's birthday, which fell on December 14, was officially celebrated in the United Kingdom on a Thursday early in June. Up to 1947 Canada proclaimed the same day but in 1948 and further years settled on the Monday of the week in which the United Kingdom celebration took place. George VI reigned from 1936 to 1952.

The first birthday of Queen Elizabeth II, in 1952, was also celebrated in June.

Meanwhile, Canada continued to observe Victoria Day. An amendment to the Statutes of Canada in 1952 established the celebration of Victoria Day on the Monday preceding May 25.

From 1953 to 1956, the Queen's birthday was celebrated in Canada on Victoria Day, by proclamation of the Governor General, with Her Majesty's approval. In 1957, Victoria Day was permanently appointed as the Queen's birthday in Canada. In the United Kingdom, the Queen's birthday is celebrated in June.

Queen Victoria
Princess Alexandrina


Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg, was born in Kensington Palace in London on May 24th, 1819, the daughter of Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, a son of King George III.

Due to the fact that the King was insane, George, the older brother of Edward served as the country's regent. The Prince Regent and his estranged wife had just one child, Princess Charlotte of Wales. After Charlotte's death in 1817, the people began to worry about the royal succession. Although the king had twelve living children, none of them had offspring who were eligible to inherit the throne.

After pressure from the Parliament and the public, Edward married the German Princess, Victoire of Saxe-Coburg, age 31. On May 24, 1819 the Duchess of Kent gave birth to a daughter. She was christened Alexandrina Victoria.

She ascended the throne upon the death of William IV. Barely eighteen, she refused any further influence from her domineering mother and ruled in her own stead. Popular respect for the Crown was at low point at her coronation, but the modest and straightforward young Queen won the hearts of her subjects. She wished to be informed of political matters, although she had no direct input in policy decisions. The Reform Act of 1832 had set the standard of legislative authority residing in the House of Lords, with executive authority resting within a cabinet formed of members of the House of Commons; the monarch was essentially removed from the loop. She respected and worked well with Lord Melbourne, Prime Minister in the early years of her reign, and England grew both socially and economically.

Victoria's long reign witnessed an evolution in English politics and the expansion of the British Empire, which included Canada, Australia, India, New Zealand, and large parts of Africa, as well as political and social reforms on the continent. France had known two dynasties and embraced Republicanism, Spain had seen three monarchs and both Italy and Germany had united their separate principalities into national coalitions. Even in her dotage, she maintained a youthful energy and optimism that infected the English population as a whole.

Immediately after becoming Queen, Victoria began regular meetings with William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne, the British prime minister at the time. The two grew very close, and Melbourne taught Victoria how the British government worked on a day-to-day basis.

In her later years, she almost became the symbol of the British Empire. Both the Golden (1887) and the Diamond (1897) Jubilees, held to celebrate the 50th and 60th anniversaries of the queen's accession, were marked with great displays and public ceremonies. On both occasions, Colonial Conferences attended by the Prime Ministers of the self-governing colonies were held.

Despite her advanced age, Victoria continued her duties to the end - including an official visit to Dublin in 1900. The Boer War in South Africa overshadowed the end of her reign. As in the Crimean War nearly half a century earlier, Victoria reviewed her troops and visited hospitals; she remained undaunted by British reverses during the campaign: 'We are not interested in the possibilities of defeat; they do not exist.'

Victoria died at Osborne House on the Isle of Wight, on 22 January 1901 after a reign which lasted almost 64 years, the longest in British history. She was buried at Windsor beside Prince Albert, in the Frogmore Royal Mausoleum, which she had built for their final resting place. Above the Mausoleum door are inscribed Victoria's words: 'farewell best beloved, here at last I shall rest with thee, with thee in Christ I shall rise again'.

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British Empire, name given to United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the former dominions, colonies, and other territories throughout the world that owed allegiance to the British Crown from the late 1500s to the middle of the 20th century. At its height in the early 1900s, the British Empire included over 20 percent of the world's land area and more than 400 million people.

Melbourne, William Lamb, 2nd Viscount (1779-1848), English statesman, who was prime minister during the early years of Queen Victoria's reign and initiated her in the ways of statecraft.

Posted by: Camac 16-May-2009, 05:14 PM
Yeah Vickie was a tough old bird. Perhaps the best Monarch Britain has had.



Camac.

Posted by: Camac 19-May-2009, 08:41 AM
Yesterday was of course Victoria Day after Queen Vivtoria who was Monarch when Canada became an independent Dominion within the Empire. It is a holiday celebrated in every province save Quebec. There it is called Dollard Day after Adam Dollard Hero of New France. In 1660 two groups of Iriquois totaling 900 warriors were report moving to join up on an assault on Montreal, Quebec City, and Trois Rivieres. Dollard suggested to the Govenor of New France that he gather a group of volunteers and delay the Iroquois at Long Sault, just south of Ottawa on
the Ottawa River. In May Dollard along with 22 young Quebecois, 40 Huron under Chief Anahotaha, and 4 Algonquins took up position at an old abandonned stockade and waited for the Iroquois. After two days they spotted two Iroquois canoes and ambushed them. One Iroquois escaped and soon 40 to 50 enemy canoes arrived and immediately attacked Dollard and his men. Pouring volley after volley into the enemy they finally beat the Iroquois off after three attacks. After these attacks the Iroquois waited for the arrival of 500 re-enforcements. Dollard and his people now faced 700 Iroquois Warriors . Over the next three days the Iroquois prepared for battle harrassing the French all the time and causing the 40 Huron to dessert leaving only Anahotaha. On the fourth day the Iroquois attacked and Dollard attempted to throw a homemade bomb over the walls but it hit the top of the stockade and fell back amongst the defenders. In the resulting confusion the Iroquois broke through the defences and Dollard and his fellows were slaughtered. The determined fight that the French put up caused the Iroquois to rethink their attack and withdraw back to their own territory. The stand by Dollard and his men at Long Sault can be compared to the stand taken at the Alamo and Dollard and Anahotaha are our Crocket and Bowie.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 27-May-2009, 04:51 PM
U.S. Homeland Secretary Napolitano wanted to make it clear on Wednesday that she knows she misspoke when she erroneously said that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists entered the United States through Canada.

Napolitano, on her first trip to Canada since joining the Presidents cabinet in January, was discussing security issues with Canadian Minister of Public Safety Peter Van Loan.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 30-May-2009, 10:22 AM
Patch;

Last night Bush and Clinton were up here in Toronto speaking together at a Businessmen's Dinner at $2000.00 per ticket. The usual protesters against Bush were out calling him a "War Criminal" (Tempest in a TeaPot). Bothe Bush and Clinton were taken unawares by the fact that both Canadians and Americans wishing to cross our mutual border need passports as of 1 June. So if any Americans are comming to Canada you will need your passport, not to enter Canada but to get back home.

As for anyone who is aware of it the you know what has hit the fan again over the annual Seal Hunt, what with the E.U banning all seal products and the Animal Rights people calling us Neanderthals. First off they should get their facts straight. The killing of White Coats (seal pups) was banned 30 years ago and a more humane method of killing has been introduced. Personally I am against most forms of hunting but in this case the cull is to keep the seal population under control and to help with the survival of fish stocks. Seals eat a lot of Fish especially Cod which is on the verge of extinction. Now everyone is all worked up over the fact that our Govenor General Michealle Jean attended a Traditional Inuit Feast and helped skin a seal and she ate a piece of raw seal heart. What with the carry on one would think she was a Cannibal. In Inuit culture to have refused to partake would have been a great insult and as she is the Queens Representative it would have been more so. Again the Animal Rights People are screaming bloody murder uses phrases like "Blood Lust", "Gross and Disgusting" and "Savage". My Dad worked with the Inuit back in the 50s and 60s and as he said if you were offered food or anything by them (including the wife) you had better not refuse or you were liable to get a Harpoon up the backside. The Inuit of Nunavut own and control an area the size of Western Europe and the Inuit Rangers patrol and show the Flag for Canada in the Eastern Arctic. They chased the Danes off Hull Island last year when they tried to claim it as theirs. Something to do with Cultural Memory of messing with the Vikings before.


Camac.

PS. This so called Political Correctness is a Crock of S--T washed down with a litre of P--S.

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Posted by: Patch 30-May-2009, 06:37 PM
The passport law was postponed at least once but it is fast approaching. I got a new one 6 years ago as it was easier to get in and out of Mexico and it was my intent to travel OS again.

If my health holds, I will be back in BC for spring bear next year. I want a big cinnamon phase black bear. An albino would be nice but they are protected so that will be photograph only.

I understand your feelings re: PC. Below is the winning description by a Texas A&M student.



On the meaning of "Political Correctness"..... You gotta admire the
fact that this award-winning definition came from a good ol',
All-American...... Aggie!





Sometimes you are encouraged about our country's future when you see
something like this. Specifically, there is an annual contest at
Texas A&M University calling for the most appropriate definition of
a contemporary term. This year's term was "Political Correctness."
The winner wrote:

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional,
illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous
mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is
entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

(This guy has nailed it.)

Slŕinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Camac 31-May-2009, 08:54 AM
Patch;

Although I am not a proponent of Hunting Good Luck if you make it to B.C. Just take care and remember "Sometimes you get the Bear and sometimes the Bear gets you".

This passport thing is really going to hurt the Tourist Industries on both sides of the Border and slow crossings down more that they already are. Plays right into the hands of the Terrorists by messing with our economies and causing suspicion and paranoia. Old Bin Ladin is peeing his pants laughing so hard. If there is a hell I hope he gets assigned to the Hog farming area cleaning up Pig S--t.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 31-May-2009, 10:08 AM
Thank you. Since I am limiting myself to a particular color and it must be large I will probably not get one. The area is a pristine Boreal Rain Forest so that will be enough. I will get pictures too. At my age I hunt for the experience of the hunt, not necessarily the animal. I have never had a close call but it is always possible.

When I was in Canada regularly prior to 9/11 the remote crossings were un- manned. Even then the American side was more of a hassle than the Canadian. Passports issued for some time now have a chip (mine does not) which is supposed to expedite entry.

My experience with the southern border was that the passport sped things up both directions.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Camac 31-May-2009, 10:35 AM
Patch;

When I used to travel to the states a lot all that was ever asked at the border was "Where were you born? answer Toronto. That wasn't the truth on my part as I was born in Scotland but no one could tell as I talked like every other Canuck. Coming back into Canada was never a hassel either. Question "How long were you in the states and did you buy anything? Now they practically want a DNA sample. On a long weekend lately it has taken up to 2 hours to get across the Border both ways. Like I said the buggers have us all messed up.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 31-May-2009, 12:29 PM
I gess next spring will be a new experience for me.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Patch 06-Jun-2009, 07:13 PM
Canada passes Buy Canada type resolution

Canadian mayors passed a resolution Saturday that would potentially shut out U.S. bidders from city contracts in response to the U.S. administration's Buy American policy.

Federation president Jean Perrault said the fair trade resolution was developed in reaction to protectionist provisions in President Barack Obama's stimulus bill.

Obama's administration introduced the Buy American policy in the nearly 800 billion dollar stimulus package adopted earlier this year which requires projects funded with stimulus money to use only US made steel, iron and manufactured goods.

The provision has angered international governments who accuse the U.S. of preaching free trade while practicing protectionism.

I can't say that I blame them for reacting in the same manner!

Slŕinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Camac 07-Jun-2009, 07:31 AM
Patch;

The Resolution passed by the Mayors has about as much clout as 99.9% of New Year's resolutions. Although we are very upset about the "Buy American" policy there really isn't much we can do about it. We have to buy from the States because in this recession a lot of manufacturing has dried up especially in Ontario. Example; I bought some new bycicle racks for the building on the internet just last week. I went to the Canadian pages saw what I wanted and ordered them. When I recieved the e-mail confirming the order I found out that they are coming from a company in Buford, Georgia because they are no longer made here.

Also here again is another example of the differences in our political systems as I believe the "Buy American" clause was an add on to the original bill and to get rid of it the President would have to veto the whole stimulus package. Politicians never seem to learn from history. During the depression the same tactics were tried by the American Government and it triggered a world wide trade war making the Depression worse. What the solution is I haven't a clue but it seems to me that if trade just continued as it did things might work out.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 07-Jun-2009, 03:43 PM
I am glad they passed the resolution anyway.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 09-Jun-2009, 06:44 AM
Yesterday in the Panjwaii District of Kandahar Provice, Afghanistan Canada lost another young warrior, bringing the total to 119. Pte. Alexandre Peloquin of the Royal 22nd Regiment ( Van Doos) CFB. ValCartier, Que. age 20, was killed by an I.E.D. explosion while on foot patrol. So young, but then war is a young man's game and we older folk can only bow our heads and praise then for their courage and sacrifice.

"......They went with songs to the battle, they were young,straight of limb, true of eye, steady and aglow. They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted. They fell with their faces to the foe. They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old; Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning we shall Remember them." (Laurence Binyon's "For The Fallen" published 21 September 1914.)

ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN.

LEST WE FORGET.

Posted by: Patch 10-Jun-2009, 04:48 PM
I just got this from a lady I know in Canada. If some find it offensive I will delete it. I like Canadian humor.

Canada - We Stand Proud
And for those of you that are not from Canada

We ask for your support by trying this in your own country

FORWARDED IN THE NAME OF PATRIOTISM

We all know that it is a sin for an Islamic male to see any woman other
than his wife naked, and that he must commit suicide if he does.

SO next Sunday at 4:00 PM Eastern time, all Canadian women are asked to
walk out of their house completely naked to help weed out any
neighbourhood terrorists.

Circling your block for one hour is recommended for this anti terrorist
effort. All men are to position themselves in lawn chairs in front of
their houses to prove they are not terrorists, and to demonstrate that
they think it's okay to see nude women other than their wife and to show
support for all Canadian women.

And since the Koran also does not approve of alcohol, a cold six-pack at
your side is further proof of your anti terrorist sentiment.
The Canadian Government appreciates your efforts to root out terrorists
and applauds your participation in this anti terrorist activity.
God bless the Beaver
and
GOD BLESS CANADIAN WOMEN!


IT IS YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTY TO PASS THIS ON

Posted by: Camac 11-Jun-2009, 06:38 AM
Patch.


NOW THAT IS POLITICALLY CORRECT.


Camac.

Up the Maple Leaf.

Posted by: valpal59 11-Jun-2009, 08:33 AM
Hubby is all for it.

Val
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Posted by: Camac 11-Jun-2009, 08:38 AM
Valpal;

To bad you are in Texas. We allow women in Ontario to go topless in the summer if they want to.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 11-Jun-2009, 10:13 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 11-Jun-2009, 08:38 AM)
Patch.


NOW THAT IS POLITICALLY CORRECT.


Camac.

Up the Maple Leaf.

Camac

The credit must go to a Canadian lady named Caroline with a top rate sense of humor.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 11-Jun-2009, 10:21 AM
Patch;

Bloody Good One. Your friend should run for Parliament.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 11-Jun-2009, 10:31 AM
Camac

I will pass that recommendation along to her. I am sure she will enjoy that.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 11-Jun-2009, 10:40 AM
Patch;

You can also recommend that she form "THE BARE NAKED LADIES ANTI-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OF CANADA.: Get my vote for sure.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 11-Jun-2009, 11:00 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 11-Jun-2009, 12:40 PM)
Patch;

You can also recommend that she form "THE BARE NAKED LADIES ANTI-TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OF CANADA.: Get my vote for sure.


Camac.

Camac

I will go along with the plan here as I live in a community of mostly retired people some quite old. They would have to ride their "Hovaround" scooters. Were there a lot of younger women parading in front of my house, my heart would not stand it!

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 12-Jun-2009, 07:09 AM
Patch;

I know what you mean about your heart. I have 3 young sisters (18-23) sharing an apartment on the same floor as me. To say that Mother Nature was kind to all three of them is the under statement of the millenium. One of these days my old pump is just going to up and quit



Camac.

Posted by: valpal59 12-Jun-2009, 07:25 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 11-Jun-2009, 09:38 AM)
Valpal;

To bad you are in Texas. We allow women in Ontario to go topless in the summer if they want to.



Camac.

Camac,
Sorry, this body will not go topless in public.

Val

Posted by: Camac 12-Jun-2009, 09:50 AM
valpal59;

Actually not that many do. After the initial court ruling it kinda died off after a year or two. Laws still there but not to many take advantage. Also if some one approaches the police and complains that the sight of a bare bosomed woman is offensive, providing that it is on public property ( Beaches exempt) the Police can politely insist that you cover up.


Camac.

Posted by: Camac 14-Jun-2009, 09:05 AM
The past few days here in Toronto and the Province there has been a bit of a brouha boiling. It seems our Mayor and his socialist friends on the Toronto Council want to allow non- citizens the right to vote in Municipal elections. The proposal is that long time landed immigrant residence ( Green Card) of Toronto should be given the right to vote in School Board and Municipal elections. Voting is a priviledge earned by becoming a Citizen. It is not a right. You want the vote then earn it by committing to Canada by becoming a Citizen. A 140,000 plus of our sons and daughters didn't fight and die so an American born ( San Francisco), English raised (Devonshire) socialist politician could hand out voting rights like candy at Hallowe'en. Thankfully this has to go to Queen's Park (Provincial Legislature) for approval where it will be soundly rejected. There are times , I swear when these "Politically Correct" notions go to far. I gave up my Canadian Citizenship when I joined the U.S. Army to fight in Viet Nam but upon discharge and return home I immediately applied to have it re-instated and my Citizenship Card has never left my wallet since the day I got it back and I will take it to my grave.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 14-Jun-2009, 02:12 PM
That is my problem with socialism. Socialist always seem to want to push the envelope a bit too far. We may have done that already in the U.S.

By the way, have you researched the North American Command? I found it interesting.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Camac 14-Jun-2009, 02:25 PM
Patch;

Are you talking about NORAD. I'ts been around since 1958 and the Command alternates between Canada and the U.S. In fact it was a Canadian General In Command on 9/11.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 14-Jun-2009, 05:50 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 14-Jun-2009, 04:25 PM)
Patch;

Are you talking about NORAD. I'ts been around since 1958 and the Command alternates between Canada and the U.S. In fact it was a Canadian General In Command on 9/11.


Camac.

No, unfortunately not. My link is North American Command. It is a joint venture with Canada to militarily put down civil unrest in my country or yours. Our part consists of the Third Inf. Div plus more and most of an armored div. attached to homeland security. I believe this link covers it. It is not the link I referred to but as I scanned it, it is close

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9376

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 15-Jun-2009, 06:46 AM
Patch;

I looked up the North American Command and I read an article on it and to be honest I have some reservations. It would put an awful lot of power into the hands of the Military, especially the General in Command. The article compared the Commander to a Roman Consul. The other thing I am leery about is that we here in Canada could easily be overwhelmed by you Americans. Lets face it,what is a military of 90,000 total going to do against 1,500,000 or more. There is great co-operation now between our militaries under NORAD and believe it or not under all our bilateral military treaties Canada has the right to "Opt Out" if we disagree. If our two Nations were more in line population, military, economically, this could possibly be a workable solution but as it stands it is definetly lopsided in Americas favour. The article also mentioned Mexico being part of the Command. Good Luck. Mexico is downright paranoid about the Giant on its Northern Border.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 15-Jun-2009, 07:55 AM
As corrupt as the Mexican military is, I doubt either of us would want them involved.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 16-Jun-2009, 06:52 AM
The total is now 120 as another member of the Van Doos was killed while trying to defuse an I.E.D. The price for Afghanistan's Freedom keeps going up. Personally I do not think it is worth the life of one more Nato soldier. Let's all get out of there and let them slaughter each other over their damn God.




Camac.

Posted by: Patch 21-Jun-2009, 03:59 PM
This was close enough to show up in my area news. I am guessing it happened on the toll road. As I recall, London isn't that far from Toronto. For some reason there seem to be a lot of accidents in that area.

Officials say a tour bus carrying a semi professional football team from Canada crashed into a sport utility vehicle in northeastern Indiana. One person is dead.

Angola Fire Department spokesman, T.R. Hagerty, says one person in the SUV was killed and 14 other people were injured in the crash reported about 11:40 a.m. EDT. Sunday.

Hagerty says the bus was carrying the London Silverbacks of London, Ontario. He says its passengers suffered injuries ranging from minor to serious but none appeared life-threatening.

Twelve people were taken to an Angola hospital with minor injuries and two others were airlifted to a Fort Wayne hospital with serious injuries.

Hagerty says the crash occurred about 40 miles north of Fort Wayne.

I wish all a speedy recovery.


Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 22-Jun-2009, 07:21 AM
Patch;

London is roughly 120 miles west of Toronto, about a 2 hour drive. The stretch of Highway #401 between London and Windsor was called "Carnage Alley" It was the deadliest stretch of highway in Ontario, maybe even Canada until the late 90s'. It runs mostly through the rural area and in the winter is constantly closed due to drifting and whiteouts. The main cause of all the accidents was that the highway narrowed and had no paved shoulders and the median strip was to narrow to prevent cross over accidents. This is all being changed with a concrete barrier being installed and the shoulders paved. In the future a third lane will be added in both directions. The 401 is the busiest Freeway in North America with in excess of 500,000 cars passing the M.O.T (Ministry of Transport) office at 401/Keele street every 24 hours. It is also the busiest Truck Route in North America running just over 500 miles from Windsor to the Quebec border where it becomes Autroute 20 and continues on through Montreal to Quebec City.The section of 401 across the top of Toronto is also the widest Freeway in the world, doesn't help much the traffic is still unbelievable, if you are travelling East or West across the city add another 1 - 1 1/2 hr to your travel time. Well so much for the 40. Personally I don't go near the damn thing unless I really have no other choice.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 22-Jun-2009, 12:22 PM
This one happened on I 69. Some one went off the road and over corrected, crossing the median and hitting the team bus head on. We had a quarter of a page on the accident in an area paper today.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 30-Jun-2009, 06:11 PM
To-morrow 1 July 2009 is the 142nd Birthday of what we, understandably, consider the greatest Nation on Earth, CANADA. We are not a great industrial, finacial, political, or military power we are just us, and because we are just us that makes us great. We have never started a war but have never back away from one especially if the cause is just. We will help any and all who are in trouble and we ask nothing in return. We will and do stand beside our friends and neighbours through thick and thin and will never turn our back on those same friends when they need our help. We are slow to anger and quick to forgive but we will not be taken advantage of. Since that first Canada Day in 1867 we have answered the call to arms 6 times, The Boer War, WW1, WW11, Korea, Peacekeeping duties around the world, and Afghanistan and we have done so with Honour and Pride. We are a Multi-Cultural People and officialy a Bi-Lingual Country but you name the language and I bet you will find one or more of us who speak it. We are the direct inheritors of our four founding peoples, The First Nations, The French, The English, and the Scots. We are a Constitutional Monarchy under a Parliamentary Government and it is a good system, not perfect, but good. Perhaps the biggest drawback with us is that we are not boastful and as is quite often the case , out of sight out of mind. Yet when the U.N or NATO has a problem they ask for us. We gave the world the Blue Berets, Peace Keepers, We spearheaded the death of Apartheid in South Africa and helped bring Peace to the former Yugoslavia, Our first Peacekeeping role was in Egypt in 1956 followed by Cyprus, Gaza, then countless other places around the world. Well Like I said we are just us the quiet folk that live in the North and we will always be here. If you ever need our help just call Eh!!.

HAPPY CANADA DAY. BON FETE' CANADA.

Camac. band.gif cheers.gif happybday.gif

Posted by: Patch 01-Jul-2009, 06:07 AM
Happy birthday!!

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 03-Jul-2009, 01:40 PM
To-day Cpl Nicholas Bulger of the P.P.C.L.I. (Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry {Princess Pats}) stationed in Edmonton Alberta, was killed by a I.E.D while on patrol. He is our 121st soilder to die in Afghanistan.

ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET

Camac.

Posted by: Patch 04-Jul-2009, 05:15 PM
I wish we gave ours the same respect. The fact that the govt keeps the names out of the press does not speak well for Americans or their govt. The last I knew our count was around 4500 and I do not believe it indicated whether that was on one or both fronts.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 07-Jul-2009, 10:36 AM
Two more of our young people were killed yesterday in Afghanistan bring the total 124. The lastest died when their Chopper crashed.


ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET

Camac.

Posted by: Camac 16-Jul-2009, 02:30 PM
Another Van Doo died to-day in Afghanistan the total now 126.


ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 17-Jul-2009, 07:16 PM
I correspond with a WW2 vet and he keeps me posted on the passing of those of his war. If I have kept accurate count our losses in Iraq and Afghanistan are right at 5000. Even sadder for both our countries are those who have returned with horrendous injuries and will never have a normal life. Now we are looking to increase our military by an additional 30,000. So much for winding down the conflict.

Slŕinte,     

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 18-Jul-2009, 10:16 AM
Patch;

It is unfortunate but true that those who are maimed physically, mentally, and spiritually are burden for the remainder of their lives. The Dead are the lucky ones.

I have said this before but as an amateur student of History the world seems to be repeating the past. What the U.S. is doing is almost an exact copy of Rome.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 19-Jul-2009, 10:28 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 18-Jul-2009, 12:16 PM)


I have said this before but as an amateur student of History the world seems to be repeating the past. What the U.S. is doing is almost an exact copy of Rome.



Camac.

I must agree and those "running the train" have not a clue!

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 31-Jul-2009, 07:13 AM
Monday 3 Aug. is a Holiday up here in the True North. All across Canada it is called Civic Holiday amongst many other names. In Ontario it'is called Simcoe Day after the first Lt. Govenor, Lord Simcoe. In B.C. it's called British Columbia Day, In New Brunswick, New Brunswick Day, in P. E.I. Natal Day actually it is only in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories that it is called Civic Holiday. Anyway it is a Nation wide Statutory Holiday and you can call it what ever you want. Any excuse for a Beer Bust and Fireworks. Enjoy.

beer.gif cheers.gif clap.gif band.gif pepsi.gif

Posted by: oldraven 04-Aug-2009, 02:09 PM
That would be nice, but Natal Day isn't an official holiday in Nova Scotia. sad.gif

Posted by: Camac 25-Aug-2009, 08:19 AM
I came across this great qoute last night by Helen Gordon McPherson.

"CANADIANS HAVE BEEN SO BUSY EXPLAINING TO THE AMERICANS THAT WE AREN'T BRITISH, AND TO THE BRITISH THAT WE AREN'T AMERICANS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO BECOME CANADIANS".

Also this one by Rick Mercer.

"The US is our trading partner, our neighbour, our ally and our friend... and sometimes we'd like to give them such a smack".



Camac.

Posted by: Camac 02-Sep-2009, 07:11 AM
"Canadians are people who know how to make love in a canoe." Pierre Burton.

"There are few, if any Canadian men that have never spelled their name in a snow bank." Douglas Coupland.

Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 02-Sep-2009, 11:47 AM
Spelled in yellow. It takes true talent, and much beer, to write it, though.

Posted by: Camac 02-Sep-2009, 11:58 AM
oldraven;

A few years ago there was a comedy team,I think, from NFLD and they sang some song the only words of which I remember are "P---ing in the snow and looking down the hole is the closest thing to spring I've ever seen" I remember at the time almost wetting myself laughing.


Camac.

Posted by: englishmix 02-Sep-2009, 12:16 PM
Ah blimey, not a boring Canada posting!!! boxing.gif

I remember when my folks took us camping into Canada one summer in the Winnebago motor home when I was a youngster, and the only campsite available was mostly full of tent campers. Well, during the evening we put on the generator for air conditioning and power into the night. And suddenly there was a tribe of French-speaking savages attacking us - yelling and throwing things at the camper. It scared the #$*5 out of me as a kid. I thought they were primitive savages that didn't know what a civilized generator was. Although the truth was that they were probably soused party-goers who finally wanted some peace & quiet.

Just imagine a bunch of Canadian tent-campers not being courteous to Americans in a Winnebago! Ah, the gall of these Canadians! lamo.gif

Posted by: Camac 02-Sep-2009, 12:31 PM
englishmix;

If I may make so bold as to remind you with a quote from a Great Canadian, Farley Mowat:

"After all, we fought the Yanks in 1812 and kicked them the hell out of our country - but not with blanks."

and that wasn't the first time Eh! . We wupped you when you decided to invade and capture Quebec during your Revolution. bash.gif box.gif



Camac. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: englishmix 02-Sep-2009, 12:34 PM
Camac,

I just edited my previous post with a story - you might like (or, err, dislike) tongue.gif

Posted by: Camac 02-Sep-2009, 01:08 PM
englishmix;

All I can say is that there were no guns present.

Camac

Posted by: englishmix 02-Sep-2009, 01:22 PM
wink.gif Yes, I suppose, thank the good Lord for that.

I have to admit that, per other preivious posts, the Canadian Railway has been a monumental success. And I really like Gordon Lightfoot and his tribute song to the Railway.

Posted by: Camac 02-Sep-2009, 01:30 PM
englishmix;

I like Lightfoot also. I guess my favourite is the Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald"


"The Legend is passed
From the Chippewa on down
'bout the big Lake they Call Gitchigoomi"

Camac; thumbs_up.gif

PS. "We will explain the appeal of Curling, if you can explain the appeal of the NRA". rolleyes.gif

Posted by: oldraven 02-Sep-2009, 02:48 PM
QUOTE (englishmix @ 02-Sep-2009, 11:16 AM)
Ah blimey, not a boring Canada posting!!! boxing.gif

I remember when my folks took us camping into Canada one summer in the Winnebago motor home when I was a youngster, and the only campsite available was mostly full of tent campers. Well, during the evening we put on the generator for air conditioning and power into the night. And suddenly there was a tribe of French-speaking savages attacking us - yelling and throwing things at the camper. It scared the #$*5 out of me as a kid. I thought they were primitive savages that didn't know what a civilized generator was. Although the truth was that they were probably soused party-goers who finally wanted some peace & quiet.

Just imagine a bunch of Canadian tent-campers not being courteous to Americans in a Winnebago! Ah, the gall of these Canadians! lamo.gif

That's pure comedy! Perfect cliche at every opportunity. Mostly full of tents because there's this concept of camping where you spend the night out of doors! fish.gif

The whole scene sounds like something out of a National Lampoon movie.

Posted by: oldraven 02-Sep-2009, 02:48 PM
Maybe Mel Brooks.

Posted by: Camac 02-Sep-2009, 02:59 PM
oldraven;

How do you go camping with a Winnebago? Air conditioned at that. When I went cvamping when I was younger we got dropped off up Highway 69 and told see ya in 2 weeks. Bye.



Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 02-Sep-2009, 04:38 PM
I know. We used to drive the tractor with a trailer full of kids and gear out to the end of the logging road, hoof our tents, food, liquor, and clothes out to the lake, then canoe everyone out to the island for the weekend. With 15 people, that's about 10 trips, and the little electric outboard mounted on the back would last for about three. Three days later, we'd start all over again heading back to the tractor.

That's Camping! king.gif thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Camac 03-Sep-2009, 07:23 AM
oldraven;

We use to go fishing up around the French River North of Parry Sound and it was a camping-fishing excursion. No cabins just tents and we carried two canoes in with us. About six or seven miles down river from where we camped was a small landing with a General Store for when we got tired of eating fish or needed coffee or tea. Some times we would go further up river and portage the rapids into a small lake called Squaw Lake. Good Pike fishing. The river we fished and camped on was called Pickerel River and it lived up to it's name. Those were good times back in the 60s'.


Camac.

PS; Once got chased by an irrate porcupine. Boy was he Pee oed at the world.

Posted by: englishmix 03-Sep-2009, 12:15 PM
QUOTE (englishmix @ 02-Sep-2009, 01:16 PM)
Ah blimey, not a boring Canada posting!!! boxing.gif

I remember when my folks took us camping into Canada one summer in the Winnebago motor home when I was a youngster, and the only campsite available was mostly full of tent campers. Well, during the evening we put on the generator for air conditioning and power into the night. And suddenly there was a tribe of French-speaking savages attacking us - yelling and throwing things at the camper. It scared the #$*5 out of me as a kid. I thought they were primitive savages that didn't know what a civilized generator was. Although the truth was that they were probably soused party-goers who finally wanted some peace & quiet.

Just imagine a bunch of Canadian tent-campers not being courteous to Americans in a Winnebago! Ah, the gall of these Canadians! lamo.gif

Actually, my grandmother was along in the Winnibago too, so it was perhaps like a Chevy Chase movie laugh.gif

Posted by: Camac 04-Sep-2009, 06:48 AM
englishmix;

In the words of that famous quoter, Anonymous; God Bless America, but God help Canada to put up with them". laugh.gif laugh.gif angel_not.gif rolleyes.gif


Camac.


PS. We have never forgotten 1812. clap.gif rip_1.gif

Posted by: Camac 04-Sep-2009, 01:14 PM
To-day 4 September through 7 September 2009 is the Canadian International Air Show held annually at the Canadian National Exhibition ( 21 Aug.-7Sep) the largest annual fair in Canada and the 4th largest in North America. The Ex, as it is called, is celebrating it's 130th Birthday and it is always a sure sign that summer is ending and the kids will be back to school soon. I remember going to the Ex as a kid in the 50's riding the streetcar all the way from New Toronto to the Ex grounds ( about an hour). One year Hopalong Cassidy (William Boyd) was there and I got to shake hands with him along with a couple of thousand other kids. I stopped going to the Ex in the mid 60's but recently started going back only on the opening Day as that is and has been Warriors day since 1921. It's the longest running Veterans Parade in the Free World but mainly it's a day for us old Vets to march in a parade and get free admission. Each year though the Parade of Veterans grows smaller as the old ballad says" Old Soldiers Never Die They Just Fade Away" but it seems even in this modern age there are those to replace us who have gone before what with Peace Keeping, and Afghanistan. The Ex is uniquely Canadian as it is a showcase of who we are and what we have accomplished.


Camac.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 04-Sep-2009, 04:59 PM
QUOTE (englishmix @ 02-Sep-2009, 01:16 PM)
Ah blimey, not a boring Canada posting!!!  boxing.gif

I remember when my folks took us camping into Canada one summer in the Winnebago motor home when I was a youngster, and the only campsite available was mostly full of tent campers. Well, during the evening we put on the generator for air conditioning and power into the night. And suddenly there was a tribe of French-speaking savages attacking us - yelling and throwing things at the camper. It scared the #$*5 out of me as a kid.  I thought they were primitive savages that didn't know what a civilized generator was. Although the truth was that they were probably soused party-goers who finally wanted some peace & quiet.

Just imagine a bunch of Canadian tent-campers not being courteous to Americans in a Winnebago! Ah, the gall of these Canadians!   lamo.gif

lol.gif lol.gif lol.gif

So typical of wusses going camping and bring their "living room" with them...no wonder you were under attack..this is so funny....you just crack me up man!!!

Plenty of those you see more and more with their big campers and satellite dish on it and air conditionning and etc,etc attached to the vehicule.

Always wondered why these people even bother to "try" and go camping as they don't even know the meaning of the word "camping".

Camping definition:
Camping is an outdoor recreational activity. The participants, known as campers, leave urban areas, their home region, or civilization and enjoy nature while spending one or several nights, usually at a campsite, which may have cabins. Camping may involve the use of a tent, a primitive structure, or no shelter at all.

And yes here the French are considered a "tribe of savages" when they want to be.

P.S. My sincere apologies to you Camac as this is offtopic.gif but I simply couldn't resist.


LOA smile.gif

Posted by: Camac 04-Sep-2009, 05:28 PM
LOA

Maybe it was the Mohawks from Kanesetaki or Oka he ran into. Une tribu de sauvage.

Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 05-Sep-2009, 08:01 AM
Right on. We took the kids to the exhibition yesterday. The Eastern Nova Scotia Exhibition in Antigonish. The kids hit the midway for a bit, then the barns. It's so strange being around these people at an exhibition. Even for a town based on agriculture and the University, the townies are so detached from reality when it comes to animals.

My wife is a townie, and she one of those people who get bitten by horses, if you get what I'm saying. Talking in a high pitched voice (because horses love shrill, right rolleyes.gif ) and shoving her hand out, fingers to the air, between the poor creature's eyes. But it's most folks at the fair who are like this, startling the animals, but thinking they're being 'nice'. I usually try to get ahead of her with Coira, to talk to them and see if they're in the mood for strangers, and to teach her how to gain trust first, then let it let you touch it. "Stop waving the balloon at it, sweetie." This is what my parents did with me, since we had no horses on the farm by the time I could remember. We had cows, but you pretty much just leave a cow alone. They don't care if you pet them, they just want something to chew on. I also make it very clear that we're looking at, not just cows, pigs, sheep, 'baby chicks', etc.; we're looking at milk, hamburgers, ham, bacon, ribs, sweaters, and chicken. I won't have any kids that shock themselves into vegetarianism because their parents failed to explain where they got their food.

We also got to sit down with my parents (they're always at the exhibition, and always sit in the same place in the arena) and watch Barrel Racing and Poll Bending, along with a short bit of the Draft Horses. I don't know if they do this where you are, but do the new 'old' wagons up there have truck wheels and tires on them? Some still use good old fashioned wagon wheels, but it's getting to be more and more popular to put passenger car wheels on these wagons now, even show wagons, because they're more comfortable, (and no doubt cheaper). There was even one with silver plastic hub-caps. A beautifully crafted and painted wagon, hauled by four very impressive creatures, riding on the same rolling stock you find on a ten year old base model Sebring. Isn't the whole idea here to show tradition? It just looks silly, if you ask me. Needless to say, I wasn't very happy to see an American come up to our small town exhibition and take first place in Barrel Racing. The locals work all year, when they have time, to do well in September, just to have a career racer steal the show from some farmer because they couldn't compete at a real rodeo in their own home town.

Enough of that, though. It's one of the highlights of the year, and the kids always enjoy it. I even got to explain 4-H to Coira, and we talked to a young fellow about her getting involved in a few more years (she's only 4, and you have to be 8). I even took my Mum on the Tilt-a-whirl before we left. Needless to say, it's been a very long time since Mum took part in the midway. smile.gif I can't wait for next year.

Posted by: Camac 05-Sep-2009, 08:41 AM
oldraven;

There is a bit of agricultural displays at the EX but the big one is "The Royal Agricultural Winter Fair". It is World Renown and Martha Stewart did a show from there shortly before they locked her up.I haven't been to the Royal since my girls were kids. The first time my youngest, Shan, saw a horse, a Clydesdale, she was terrified, she was OK with the ponies but I guess the sight of this towering monster (in her eyes) was to much. The Royal has alot of Equestrian Competitions like show jumping, dressage, and all that fancy type riding. They also have Western style riding competitions and Quarter-horse races. The problem I find now with going to the Ex or the Royal is the hassel of getting in and out of the city. Although I was raised mainly on the western outskirts of Toronto I never really liked the place. To many people and too damn noisey always preferred living in the country but then we had to come into the city to work and the commute especially in winter was murder. My parents, in the early 70's moved to Shelburne, about 90 miles North of Toronto in farm country. It was heaven. They had 10 acres of land and my Dad and I built the house. The only thing we didn't do was the stone work. It was here that my youngest bloomed she loved being there with her Grandma and Grandpa. Dad who was a country boy,being born on a farm, turned her into a real farm girl helping him around the place. Oh well those days are long gone now and the pressures of modern life weigh down on us all now. The memories are nice .


Camac.

Posted by: Camac 06-Sep-2009, 07:57 AM
Well the Liberals have stated that they will no longer support the minority government of Steven Harper's Conservatives and now the media is screaming Fall Election. I for one do not want another election nor do I want to see the $300,000,000.00 spent on it. Not when it could be put to better use. If the Libs bring the government down and we end up at the polls about all that will change,
if anything, will be the possibility of a Liberal Minority instead of a Conservative minority. Only in Canada.



Camac.

Posted by: Camac 07-Sep-2009, 08:03 AM
Two more Canadians have died as a result of an I.E.D. explosion just south of Kandahar, Afghanistan. This brings the total of Canadians killed to 129 soldiers and 1 diplomat. Maj. Yannick Pepin, 36. and Cpl. Jean-Francois Drouin, 21, were killed when their armoured vehicle hit an I.E.D.. Five other Canadians were wounded. All were members of the 51st Field Engineers, Royal 22d Van Doos Regiment stationed at ValCartier Quebec. Maj. Pepin is the highest ranking officer to be killed.

ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET.

Camac.

PS; It's time to bring the Troops Home for they have done their part.

Posted by: Patch 07-Sep-2009, 11:14 AM
I must agree. We destroyed a group of Taliban who hijacked fuel tanker and beheaded the drivers. When they became stuck, we destroyed them, along with civilians helping them and stealing fuel. Now there are claims that the civilians were innocent. With that mentality, the free world would never have won a war.

If one is helping the enemy, one IS the enemy! The Taliban killed more civilians than US and NATO forces ever have. For helping the people, troops are being killed and nothing but abuse is heaped on them for their effort.

I salute those of your country, and all others including my own, who gave all and the wounded also as they will give in great measure for a lifetime!

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 12-Sep-2009, 09:06 AM
To-morrow 13 September is the 250th anniversary of the "Battle of the Plains of Abraham" outside Quebec City. There was to be a re-enactment of the battle with 2,500 participants coming from all over North America. This was cancelled because the Quebec Nationalist, Seperatist screamed and cried and stamped there feet promising to disrupt the "Glorification of the Conquest" calling it an insult to the Quebec people. Instead in it's place will be a 24 hour "Moulin a' paroles" (Chatterbox), reading of letters, stories, documents, and even recipes pertaining to Quebec History. One of the documents to be read is the "Manifesto of the F.L.Q. (Front de liberation du Quebec) a seperatist terrorist organization from the 60's responsible,amongst other things for the Kidnapping an Murder of a Quecbec Government Cabinet Minister, Pierre Laporte. When that particular document was objected too the seperatist immediately screamed "CENSORSHIP" and again they got their way and the manifesto will be read. These people rant and rave about being oppressed yet they are part of a Country that guarantees and protects their right to Language, Religion, and Culture. New documents show that Wolfe wrote in the event of a British victory the terms of surrender before the battle with those self same guarantees in it. Only in Canada


Camac.

Posted by: Camac 15-Sep-2009, 07:13 AM
The toll is now 130 with the death of Pte. Patrick Lormand, age 21, Royal 22d Regiment, Van Doos, when his armoured vehicle hit an I.E.D.



ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN


LEST WE FORGET.

(Bring them Home)

Posted by: Camac 19-Sep-2009, 10:05 AM
As of Thursday it is 131. Pvt Jonathan Couturier Royal 22d (Van Doos)Val Cartier PQ. 23 years old.




ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN


LEST WE FORGET

Camac

Posted by: Camac 03-Oct-2009, 09:11 AM
Unsubstantiated reports are stating that a great deal of pressure is being placed on Canada by the U.S. to reconsider its position on withdrawing our Combat Forces out of Afghanistan by July 2011. The American Military and Government are worried that it could start a Dominoe effect and that other N.A.T.O. forces will also start to withdraw. Personally I think that as we have one of the smaller Military Forces in N.A.T.O. we have done our part and we should withdraw. That war will never be won except through dipolamtic means.

Camac.

Posted by: Patch 03-Oct-2009, 09:25 AM
Afghanistan was "justified" though what was done in the name of winning was not. I believe we need to finish that one but Iraq was a crime perpetrated on the American people and possibly the world.

Your country has made it's sacrifices and I respect your opinion that it is time to leave. Only "extreme" measures will defeat the enemy there.

If the US leaves, that area will fall back to the Taliban and Alquaida, and the free world will not survive.

Slŕinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 03-Oct-2009, 01:15 PM
Patch;

I would support our Troops being there longer if the non-contributing N.A.T.O. members, our so called friends and allies would toe the line with the rest of us.
The Italians loose six men and they start screaming and are pulling out. The Germans won't committ to a combat role. I guess they figure let the Colonial descendents of Europe do the fighting and the dying. Worked with a German once for about 8 years and he was always boasting about how great the Germans were. Took it for those 8 years and finally shut him up when I said to him" Hermann if you Germans are so damned good, how come we kicked the crap out of you twice." Man never spoke to me again.


Camac.

Posted by: Camac 11-Oct-2009, 10:18 AM
It is coming up to 11 A.M this 11th day of October and in one month it will be the 11th Hour of the 11th Day of the 11th Month, Remembrance Day. It is not a statutory holiday ( though it should be) but is is a National Day of Remembrance where we honour those who have Fought, Bled, and Died, in Canada's Wars. Wars I might add that have been thrust upon us as never in our History have we waged aggressive war. We have fought for our own and for others freedom and tens of thousands (101,064 Dead) of Canada's sons and daughters have died and suffered. To the world at large this might not seem many but we are a small Nation in population (less than 35 million) and we have always stepped forward and answered the call to stop aggression. This time of year is special for me for I lost my Father(Cpl. David Campbell 48th RTR) in WWII ( Italy 15 May 1944) my stepdad( Pvt. Raymond McArthur 7th Commando)spent 4 years as a POW of the Germans (June 1941 {Crete} till May 1945) my Uncle Nick (PO Nicholas Gibbons RN) was also a prisoner of war when his ship HMS Bedouin was sunk (Meditreranean June 1942) my Uncle Harry Pvt. Henry Holt, Royal Hamilton Light Infantry RCA) wounded,( Normandy June 23rd 1944). My Aunt Kathy (Kathleen Lee) was a Wren, Royal Navy, Aunt Mary,(MaryRose Lee) WAAF. RAF Bomber Command. The list goes on until it comes to me E-5 David Campbell-McArthur 2/94th Arty, USARV.

Every Remembrance Day when I stand in formation at the Cenotaph I can't help but feel that I have really no right to stand here with these Gallant Men and Women who answered their country's call. After all I fought for a foreign army in a foreign war for the adventure of it. My actions and deeds pale in comparision to the Heroes of my adopted Country that I love so much. Each year they grow older but the snap is still there when the RSM barks out his orders the years seem to melt away as they step out to the skirl of the pipes and these Old Warriors are once again the young men and women who so long ago marched off to meet the foe and gave so much for our freedom. All Honour is theirs and we must never ever forget.

Camac.

LEST WE FORGET

Posted by: Camac 28-Oct-2009, 05:27 PM
The number of Canadian dead rose again yesterday to 132 . Lt. Justin G. Boyes, 26, 3rd. Bn. P.P.C.L.I. (Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry) was killed on foot patrol south of Kandahar when an I.E.D. exploded.

ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET

Posted by: Camac 31-Oct-2009, 08:18 AM
Sapper Steven Marshall age 24, 1st Combat Engineer Regiment. P.P.C.L.I., became the 133rd Canadian to die in Afghanistan yesterday while on foot patrol when an I.E.D. exploded.


ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET


Camac.

Posted by: Camac 03-Nov-2009, 08:00 AM
His Royal Highness Charles, Prince of Wales and his wife Camilla Duchess of Cornwall landed in NFLD/LAB. last evening to start an 11 day tour of the country. I am a Monarchist so that states pretty well how I feel about this visit. For those out there who do not like the idea I would like to remind you that Canada is a Monarchy and has been one since it's founding. First with the French and then with the British. It is part of our History and our Heritage and what makes us unique on the North American Continent.



Camac

Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 03-Nov-2009, 02:57 PM
God Save the Queen!

Posted by: Camac 03-Nov-2009, 03:07 PM
MacDonnchaidh;


Thank You Sir, and May The Creator Smile on the United States.



Camac

Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 03-Nov-2009, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 03-Nov-2009, 05:07 PM)
MacDonnchaidh;


Thank You Sir, and May The Creator Smile on the United States.



Camac

May he indeed, however I'm a Canuck through and through.

Posted by: Lady-of-Avalon 03-Dec-2009, 07:04 PM
I thought to share this here with all of you...enjoy! tongue.gif

TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN BRITISH COLUMBIA
1. Vancouver: 1.5 million people and two bridges. You do the math.
2. Your $400,000 Vancouver home is just 5 hours from downtown.
3. You can throw a rock and hit three Starbucks locations.
4. There's always some sort of deforestation protest going on.
5. Weed.


TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN ALBERTA
1. Big rock between you and B.C.
2. Ottawa who?
3. Tax is 5% instead ofthe approximately 200% it is for the rest of the country.
4. You can exploit almost any natural resource you can think of.
5. You live in the only province that could actually afford to be its own country.
6. The Americans below you are all in anti-government militia groups.

TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN SASKATCHEWAN
1. You never run out of wheat.
2. Your province is really easy to draw.
3. You can watch the dog run away from home for hours.
4. People will assume you live on a farm.
5. Daylight savings time? Who the hell needs that!


TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN MANITOBA
1. You wake up one morning to find that you suddenly have a beachfront property.
2. Hundreds of huge, horribly frigid lakes.
3. Nothing compares to a wicked Winnipeg winter.
4. You can be an Easterner or a Westerner depending on your mood.
5. You can pass the time watching trucks and barns float by.

TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN ONTARIO
1. You live in the centre of the universe.
2. Your $400,000 Toronto home is actually a dump.
3. You and you alone decide who will win the federal election.
4. The only province with hard-core American-style crime.


TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN QUEBEC
1. Racism is socially acceptable.
2. You can take bets with your friends on which English neighbour will move out next.
3. Other provinces basically bribe you to stay in Canada .
4. You can blame all your problems on the "Anglo A*#!%!"

TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN NEW BRUNSWICK
1. One way or another, the government gets 98% of your income.
2. You're poor, but not as poor as the Newfies.
3. No one ever blames anything on New Brunswick .
4. Everybody has a grandfather who runs a lighthouse.


TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN NOVA SCOTIA
1. Everyone can play the fiddle. The ones who can't, think they can.
2. You can pretend to have Scottish heritage as an excuse to get drunk and wear a kilt.
3. You are the only reason Anne Murray makes money.

TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND
1. Even though more people live on Vancouver Island , you still got the big, new bridge.
2. You can walk across the province in half an hour.
3. You can drive across the province in two minutes.
4. Everyone has been an extra on "Road to Avonlea."
5. This is where all those tiny, red potatoes come from.
6. You can confuse ships by turning your porch lights on and off at night.


TOP REASONS TO LIVE IN NEWFOUNDLAND
1. If Quebec separates, you will float off to sea.
2. If you do something stupid, you have a built-in excuse.
3. The workday is about two hours long.
4. It is socially acceptable to wear your hip waders to your wedding.


Let's face it: Canadians are a rare breed.

The Official Canadian Temperature Conversion Chart

50° Fahrenheit (10° C)
· Californians shiver uncontrollably.
· Canadians plant gardens.

35° Fahrenheit (1.6° C)
· Italian Cars won't start
· Canadians drive with the windows down

32° Fahrenheit (0° C)
· American water freezes
· Canadian water gets thicker.

0° Fahrenheit (-17.9° C)
· New York City landlords finally turn on the heat.
· Canadians have the last cookout of the season.

-60° Fahrenheit (-51° C)
· Santa Claus abandons the North Pole.
· Canadian Girl Guides sell cookies door-to-door.

-109.9° Fahrenheit (-78.5° C)
· Carbon dioxide freezes makes dry ice.
· Canadians pull down their earflaps.

-173° Fahrenheit (-114° C)
· Ethyl alcohol freezes.
· Canadians get frustrated when they can't thaw the keg

-459.67° Fahrenheit (-273.15° C)
· Absolute zero; all atomic motion stops.
· Canadians start saying "cold, eh?"

-500° Fahrenheit (-295° C)
· Hell freezes over.
· The Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup and someone wins the turd star



Posted by: Camac 04-Dec-2009, 07:18 AM
LOA;

Ain't it great to be Canadian EH!



Camac

PS. You forgot one. Bear can come visit.

Posted by: oldraven 17-Dec-2009, 12:47 PM
Camac, you misused the 'eh'!

It's to follow a statement, requesting agreement.

"It's great to be Canadian, eh?"

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Posted by: Camac 17-Dec-2009, 01:44 PM
oldraven;

Sorry. Figured our Yank cousins wouldn't know the difference.


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 17-Dec-2009, 03:21 PM
No harm, no foul. Though I may be letting some kind of National Secret out.

Posted by: Camac 17-Dec-2009, 03:27 PM
oldraven.

Whether it's a question or a statement "IT'S GREAT TO BE CANADIAN"


Camac

Posted by: oldraven 17-Dec-2009, 07:27 PM
Beyond a shadow of a doubt, my friend!

Posted by: Camac 17-Dec-2009, 07:49 PM
oldraven;

I was reading an article in the Huffington Post about when we die we go to and alternate Universe. Something to do with being energy and that whole physics thing. If it is true there had better be a Canada there or I'm not going.


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 17-Dec-2009, 07:53 PM
Hahaha! I don't often really laugh when I type that, just like I never laugh reading the Saturday funnies, but that got me in the gut, man.

Posted by: Camac 17-Dec-2009, 08:03 PM
oldraven;

Just a wee dram o Christmas cheer my friend.

Posted by: MacEoghainn 19-Dec-2009, 09:36 AM
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Eh?

Posted by: Camac 19-Dec-2009, 09:56 AM


ONLY IN CANADA EH!!!!!!!!


Camac.

Posted by: oldraven 19-Dec-2009, 02:16 PM
That was pretty slick. And people think Newfies have an accent. Northern On-tair-eye-oh-ans have the goofy Canadian accent pinned.

Posted by: Camac 19-Dec-2009, 05:21 PM
oldraven

Do you remember Charlie Farquharson played bt Don Heron. Well he talked just like the folks up the Bruce Peninsula here in Ontariarioooh.

Camac.

Posted by: Camac 24-Dec-2009, 07:52 AM
It will be a heartbreaking Christmas for the Nuttall Family of Victoria B.C. their son Lieut. Andrew Richard Nuttall, 30, 1st Batt., P.P.C.L.I. was killed by an I.E.D. yesterday 23 Dec . whilst on foot patrol south of Kandahar. His death brings the total to 134. My most heartfelt condolences go out to the family and friends of this young warrior.



ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET.


Camac.

Posted by: Leelee 26-Dec-2009, 10:19 AM
About Sask, Did you know?


Tom Sukanen, a Finnish immigrant, built an ocean-going boat near Macrorie during the middle of the dust-bowl years. He was 15 miles from the South Saskatchewan River. He intended to take a load of wheat back to Finland. He hand made every part, including boiler and steam engine. He died before completion. The assembled ship can now been seen on Highway 2 south of Moose Jaw.

Wynyard is the chicken capital of Canada because they export the highest amount of chicken per capita. Every summer during the carnival days they host the 'chicken chariot race' where chickens are hooked up to a homemade chariot and they are raced down lanes to see which one is the fastest.

Regina is in the Guinness Book Of Records... It has the longest bridge (Albert Street Bridge ) over the shortest body of water (Wascana Lake).

The railway track from Regina to Stoughton used to be the longest stretch of perfectly straight track in the world.

Battleford was the capital of the Northwest Territories before Saskatchewan became a province. But lost out to Regina when the province was formed. The original Government House looked over the former battle grounds of the rebellion until it burned to the ground a few years ago.

The very first Dairy Queen was started in Melville in 1953. The original owner was Donald M. Patrick.

In Saskatchewan there are over 100,000 lakes, rivers, and bogs. The Province has three major river systems all of which empty into Hudson Bay; the Assiniboine, the North/South Saskatchewan and the Churchill.

Over one-half of the province, or approximately 3,450,000 km, is covered by forests. Of the total forest area, 2,165,000 km are classified as commercially productive forest land and contain both hardwood and softwood species.

Famed theorist/physicist Albert Einstein played goal for the Canwood (SK) Canucks one winter while sojourning north to Canada to 'find peace and silence' for his work on the Theory of Relativity. He had played hockey in his younger years in Germany.

Dr. Ballard of dog food fame was a veterinarian in Wolsely which, incidentally, was also the home of the very first Beaver Lumber.

Dad's Cookies were once made at the former roller skating rink in White City.

Brett Hull lived in a little log house a few miles out of Whitewood.

Gordie Howe was born near Saskatoon.

Moose Jaw - The former Joyner department store was the western distributor of Levis jeans. The stock would sometimes exceed one million dollars. It had been reopened as a Gift/Craft/Souvenir store. Tragically, this store and several nearby historical buildings recently burned down. This store also owned the largest Cash Cable Car system (over 1000 feet in length) that was still operational. The only other one in working order is in Europeor China and is between 600 and 700 feet. Disney had offered the Joyner family $600,000 for the system so they could put it into their Euro-Disney complex, but the family honoured the wishes of the original store owner that the system remain in Moose Jaw.

In the 20's Moose Jaw's (AKA 'Little Chicago') River Street was the home of gambling, prostitutes and the bootleg centre of booze running into the States. The tunnels under the streets there connected the various businesses and were used by various gangsters, and rumour has it, including Al Capone. The tunnels were believed to have been dug years earlier by Chinese immigrants as a way to escape. (Canada had Chinese concentration camps although no one ever brags about that!)

W.O. Mitchell, who wrote Who Has Seen the Wind, and Jake and the Kid
(both of which are regularly read in classrooms across Canada), grew up in Weyburn. In 1976 the town of Arcola was the site of the filming of Who Has Seen the Wind

Estevan is the sunshine capital of Canada.

Saskatchewan has the largest kimberlite field, (diamond-bearing rock) in the world, located near Prince Albert, where DeBeers & other companies are working now.

Wilkie is home to the world's largest Grasshopper - which everyone hates because it's a farming community. Apparently you can fit eight people and three cases of beer comfortably on his back.

A small town called Saltcoats (16 miles south of Yorkton) has been titled the salamander capital of Canada . The town is nestled on the side of Anderson Lake which is where thousands and thousands (varies from year to year) of salamanders also call home. On rainy nights they can be seen making their trek from the water to land. It is a crazy sight to see so many lizards running across the roads. I will not tell you what it sounds like as the cars drive by.

Manitou Lake is not in fact the 3rd 'saltiest' body of water - The others are The Dead Sea and The Great Salt Lake in Utah. There are many bodies of water in Saskatchewan that are saltier, but none have the mineral content of Manitou. No one knows for sure where Manitou gets the minerals from. In fact, in 1946, there was a team of doctors commissioned by the Province to do a medical study on Manitou ('the lake of the healing waters'). The doctors didn't complete their study however, because at the time, they felt the lake may dry up.

Danceland - at Lake Manitou near Watrous - world's only horse hair padded dance floor.

John Diefenbaker, former Prime Minister, lived in Wakaw and Prince Albert. Interestingly, Sir Wilfred Laurier, Mackenzie King and John Diefenbaker were all elected to the House of Commons from the Prince Albert constituency. Laurier had actually run in two seats--he ran in Prince Albert as it was a 'safe' Liberal seat, but gave that seat up and represented his seat won in Quebec; King represented Prince Albert from 1925 to 1944 (not a well known fact). Dief's story is well known. This marvellous bit of trivia is added by Rod Thomson in PA---only because it was conspicuous by its absence.

That's why Prince Albert is known as the city of three Prime Ministers.. But John Diefenbaker often called it "The city of Conviction" in reference to the fact that it has three penal institutions (federal, provincial men's, provincial women's)



Posted by: Camac 26-Dec-2009, 10:34 AM
British Salute to Canada, Jan. 20, 2008. I just came across this again whilst sorting through some old papers and thought I would post it. It speaks volumes as to who your Northern neighbour is.

Until the deaths of Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan, probably almost no one outside their home country had been aware that Canadian Troops are deployed in the region. As always, Canada will bury its dead,just as the rest of the world, as always, will forget its sacrifice, just as it always forgets nearly everything Canada ever does.

It seems that Canada's historic mission is to come to the selfless aid of friends and complete stangers, and then once the crisis is over, to be well and truly ignored.
Canada is the perpetual wallflower that stands on the edge of the hall waiting for some one to ask her to dance. A fire breaks out, she risks life and limb to rescue her fellow dance goers and suffers serious injuries. After when the hall is repaired and the dancing resumes, there is Canada, the wallflower still, while those she onced helped glamourously cavort across the floor, blithely neglecting her again.

This is the price that Canada pays for sharing the North American Continent with the United States, and for being a selfless friend of Britain in two global conflicts.
For much of the 20th century, Canada was torn in two different directions.. It seems to be part of the old world, but had an address in the new one, and that divided identity ensured that it never fully got the gratitude it deserved. Yet its purely voluntary contribution to the cause of freedom in two world wars was perhaps the greatest of any democracy. Almost 10% of Canada's entire population of seven million served in the armed forces during the First World War, and 60,000 died. The great Allied victories of 1918 were spearheaded by Canadian Troops, perhaps the most capable soldiers in the entire British order of battle. Canada was repaid for its enormous sacrifice by downright neglect, its unique contribution to victory being absorbed into the popular memory as somehow or other the work of the "British".

The Second World War provided a rerun. The Canadian Navy began the war with a half dozen vessels, and ended up policing half the Atlantic Ocean against U-Boat attacks. More than 120 Canadian warships participated in the Normandy Landings, during which 15,000 Canadian soldiers went ashor on D-Day alone. Canada finsished the war with the third largest Navy and the fourth largest Air Force in the world.

The World thanked Canada with the same sublime indifference as it had the previous time.

Canadian participation in the war was acknowledged in film only if it was necessary to give an American actor a part in a campaign in which the United States had clearly not participated.... a touching scrupulousness which, of course Hollywood has since abandoned, as it has no notion of a seperate Canadian identitiy. So it was the general rule that actors and filmmakers arriving in Hollywood keep their nationality... unless that is, they are Canadian. Thus Mary Pickford,Walter Houston,Donald Sutherland,Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Noeman Jewison, David Cronnenberg,Alex Trebek, Art Linkletter, and Dan Akroyd have , in the popular perception become American, and Christopher Plumber, British.

It is as if, in the very act of becoming famous a Canadian ceases to be Canadian, unless she is Margaret Atwood, who is as unshakably Canadian as a Moose, or Celine Dion, for whom Canada has proved quite unable to find any takers.

Moreover, Canada is every bit as querulously alert to the achievements of its sons and daughters as the rest of the world is completely unaware of them. The Canadians proudly say of themselves, and are unheard by anyone else, that 1% of the world's population provided 10% of the world's peacekeeping forces. Canadian soldiers in the past half century have been the greatest peacekeepers on Earth... in 39 missions on UN mandates, and six on non UN peacekeeping duties, from Vietnam to East Timor, from Sinai to Bosnia. Yet the only foreign engagement that has entered the popular on Canadina imagination was the sorry affair in Somalia, in which out of control paratroopers murdered two Somali infiltrators. Their Regiment was the disbanded in disgrace, a uniquely Canadian act of self abasement for whicn, naturally, the Canadians recieved no international credit.

So who today in the United States knows about the stoic and selfless friendship its northern neighbour has given it in Afghanistan? Rather like Cyrano De Bergerac, Canada repeatedly does honourable things for honourable motives, but instead of thanks for it, it remains something of a figure of fun. It is the Canadian way. for which Canadians should be proud, yet such honour comes at a high cost. This past year more4 grieving Canadian fanilies knew that cost all too tragically well.

(BY Kevin Myers Sunday Telegraph)


Camac







Posted by: Camac 31-Dec-2009, 03:25 PM
Yesterday in Kandahar 5 Canadians died at the hands of the Taliban when their armoured vehilcle struck an I.E.D. Four soldiers and a civilian reporter died and six others were wounded in the explosion. The dead are; Sgt. Kirk Taylor, 28, Yarmouth, N.S., Sgt. George Miok, 28, Edmonton, Alta., Cpl. Zachery McCormick, 21, Edmonton, Alta., Pte. Garrett William Chidley, 21, Shilo, Man. and Michelle Lang
34, reporter for the Calgary Herald, the first Canadian reporter to die in Afghanistan. She was recently engaged and had been in Afghanistan just 2 weeks.
Eight Americans also died in an attack on a base near the Pakistan border. It was a very bad day in Afghanistan and a horrible way to end the year.

ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET

Camac

Posted by: MacEoghainn 07-Jan-2010, 02:36 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100107/ap_on_re_ca/cn_canada_keanu_reeves_paternity_1

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Karen Sala and disputed the DNA results in court Thursday, suggesting they had been tampered with or that Reeves used hypnosis to affect the results.


I know it's cold in "The Great White North" this time of the year, but after reading this news report I have to ask what are Canadians drinking or smoking this time of the year? unsure.gif

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Posted by: Camac 07-Jan-2010, 04:00 PM
Mace :

We are drinking Screech and smoking rope. Long winters gotta do something beside watch TV. The woman's a nut bar.




Camac



Posted by: Camac 17-Jan-2010, 10:59 AM
Yesterday 16 Jan. Sgt. John Faught, 44, 1st Bn. Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry. from Sault (Soo) Ste. Marie, became the 139th casualty killed by an I.E.D. 15 kilometers south of Kanadahar whilst on foot patrol. His men called him Toast because they said he was hard and crusty.


ALL HONOUR TO THE FALLEN

LEST WE FORGET

Camac

Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 02-Mar-2010, 03:28 PM
God Speed to Her Majesty's representative in Canada, Governor General Michaëlle Jean as she returns to her place of birth to support the reconstruction of Haiti!

Posted by: Camac 02-Mar-2010, 03:57 PM
HERE! HERE!

She is a prime example of what Canada is all about. We are a land of immigrant people whose every dream can come true if they wish it enough. GOD SAVE THE QUEEN. VIVE L'CANADA.



Camac.

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