Oh and by the way you got off easy
next time we shall knock before attacking! If that helps at all. Slainte
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| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 03:35 PM |
| As most are aware by now, both TamiMcLeod of wolfshollow and Rindy of UnitedKingdom attacked me recently without provocation or any attempts at diplomatic measure in advance of the conflict. Rindy has since explained that I was apparently mistaken for another hostile Noble. I am not without understanding in these matters. Mistakes can and do occur. Likewise, I expect you can understand that is only reasonable for me to expect to be repaid for my losses incurred in the aforementioned conflict. My losses amount to: 42,600 gold 24,200 food 12,900 wood Due to retraining times and being denied the use of the destroyed gold mine, I am assessing a 15% penalty (rounded) on top of the above values. This brings the final bill to: 47,000 gold 28,000 food 14,900 wood Hopefully this can be resolved peacefully, before less desirable action must be taken. -Subhuman of Clan UDB |
| Posted by: macebreaker 01-Sep-2008, 05:01 PM | ||
Sounds to me like an attempt of extortion with a veiled threat. Or as the school girls would say, "give me your lunch money or I'll beat you up" Just remember this is the same type of tactics that MacE is known for. |
| Posted by: macebreaker 01-Sep-2008, 05:08 PM |
| Since you seem to want formal warnings and declarations before anything is done I will grant you this small consolation. As of this post you are not on my list of victims for today. But i will warn those who are in advance. CelticRadio of Zion 1:1:1 Dogshirt of NorthernPlains 1:6:4 MacEoghainn of Shiloh 1:2:4 Here is your formal warning sometime in the next 6-12 hours I will attack one or more of you. As is normal for the game, which one it is will get a news warning of my army marching on them. Ye have been warned. Hide your women and children and prepare for the worst. |
| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 05:32 PM | ||
Ok, let me phrase this simply in hopes you can understand.... If your car is parked, and someone comes along and runs into it- what do you expect them to do? You expect them to pay for repairs to it, and to provide you with a rental vehicle to use while your is being repaired. If they do not comply, you take them to court- right? This is what I am asking: replace that which you destroyed, compensate me for not being able to use them while replacements were being trained/built, or I will take further action. This is not extortion. This is called dealing with reality. My property was damaged, and I expect compensation. Rindy's previous post in another thread made it seem as if I were attacked by being mistaken for another person. If this is the case, I expect in the interest of peace that I will be compensated. Otherwise I will interpret that to have been a lie and an intentional misdirection- thus reinforcing my previous statement that at least two members of Clan Wolf should not be trusted. I'm even going so far as to stick to my earlier claims on monetary losses- the 47,000 gold mentioned is closer to a 10% increase due to a math error on my part. It's my mistake, and as such I'm not adjusting it further to a more correct 49,000. I overlooked previous acts, where armies from both you, macebreaker, and from leelee started marching on my borders- but were recalled before reaching me. Something like that can indeed be an honest mistake, which would explain why they were recalled. However both Rindy and TamiMcLeod responded to messages before their armies arrived in my kingdom- proving they had the opportunity to recall their troops, but apparently chose not to do so. -subhuman of Clan UDB |
| Posted by: CelticRadio 01-Sep-2008, 05:40 PM |
| I'm enjoying these forum taunts and declarations. Now for those reading, understand this is part of the game. |
| Posted by: TamiMcLeod 01-Sep-2008, 06:14 PM |
| You were not attacked by mistake we planed this for over a week on that day to attack you.. We all knew who we were attacking.. and due to work some didnt make it otherwise you would have been attacked by more... part of the game to bad... SOL |
| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 06:23 PM | ||||
Thank you, Tami for clarifying that. Now all we need to do is figure out whether you're the liar, or if Rindy is. Since she said this:
Or perhaps both. Time will tell. P.S. I'm still waiting for this so-called proof of my threats and/or hostile action you claim to have. Prior to this thread, of course- all can understand I cannot sit by and let others attack me without some sort of repurcussions. |
| Posted by: Rindy 01-Sep-2008, 06:54 PM |
| subhuman, I will confess I made a mistake. Tami is by far not a liar, me either I thought she was talking about a different Mac clan as there are many and the one she was talking about was you and a few others of the MaceIN clan. She did have messages and some were threatning so we attacked. So it really was a honest mistake. Gotta watch my Mac's. Tami so sorry to have caused this mix up. Oh and by the way you got off easy next time we shall knock before attacking! If that helps at all. Slainte |
| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 07:14 PM | ||
| Do you even look at who belongs to what clan?? #2 subhuman of TheRedeemed 1:3:4 194 7,085 UDB Where is "Mac" anywhere in there??
Bullshit. I'm calling it. If there's one thing I hate in life or in a game, it's a goddamn liar. Now, either produce proof that I sent ANY threatening messages to ANYONE in your clan, or I expect an apology. Provide proof that I made even one single threatening move against ANY of you. Quite frankly, you can't do it. There are two types of people in life who piss me off more than any others: theives and liars. Liars who make false statements about others in order to make themselves look better are the worst IMO. What I've said about you I can back up- due to your own admissions you plotted this attack on me "for over a week." This is indeed dishonorable by any definition- of that period, or our current period. So either back up the claims that were made about me, or stop spreading bullshit stories. Quite frankly, at this point I really don't care what may happen to me in-game or in CRN in general. I don't associate with liars. |
| Posted by: Rindy 01-Sep-2008, 07:32 PM |
| subhuman just for your information I do look at the clans and who is in them probably more times than you will look in a lifetime. I know what honor and loyalty to a clan is more than you will ever know as well. I don't care what happens to you either. You are what your name says. I speak the truth it was McEoghainn Of Shilo that I was confused with at the time who he has removed his clan name and Tami is not a liar. I've said my piece and that's all I will say about this subject anymore. I have games to be played now that I am done watching you. Slainte |
| Posted by: TamiMcLeod 01-Sep-2008, 08:49 PM |
| All my clan members read and posted back on the emails you sent, that i posted back then for them to read, each one of them but harlot posted back and all saw the theats you stated that we were going down unless we backed off, that was from the troops that a few recalled that were on their way to you. The emails came in last week from you ... I even joke around with you in these multipliable emails back and forth, then too i posted in the forum for them to see, that it is a game as you got all huffy and puffy over.one will pay you anything, its a game... no one will post they are attacking you either.. The posts that were in the forum, that Rindy also saids here in the above post, there were some, we all seen them and know they came from you, they were complete with from and dates.. your making yourself look very bad here, and i dont think anyone will be kicked for playing in char of a game like you said.. Its time to grow up and move along, and play the game.. cause this clan is having a blast and we intend to keep having fun with this game as well.. Also Celtic also knows of the missing posts, to this day posts are still getting deleted in our clan forum, i am sure we use ours more then most. each day will fill the forum with 6 to 12 diff headings and can run 6 plus pages in each heading, so yes we will find more bugs then most cause we talk more. But that is what clans do we share info with each other and plan things out. Cant show you the emails from you, they are gone like so many of our other posts are. Celtic is working on that part as he already stated this to us.. My clan members all saw them and i and rindy so far have stated they were made.. I believe the treats are all in fun and a great way to play the game.. i don't understand why you have to single anyone out and call then names.. and take it personally.. It is a game, maybe its time for you to take a break and sort this out and come back when you can play the game in which it is intended to be played.. We will not be " knocking" on anyones door to let them know we are attacking, once we do you get a message, thats good enough, we will not replace your meant or wood food or gold that you lost during a battle. it is part of the game.. Now lets get back to the game.. if you want to keep going on then do so, we wont be answering you anymore. good luck to you in the battles ahead... |
| Posted by: macebreaker 01-Sep-2008, 08:58 PM |
| OKay i have several things to say. 1 you have sent mail threatening or warning however you want to view it. 2 and i quote this from your post. Over the past 20+ years, I've seen literally hundreds of flame-wars start over the recipient of a comment interpreting it in a way other than the writer meant. 3. Calling someone a liar either on a message board or in a game then stating how both in games and in real life you hate that "type of person" means only one thing... Both in game and in real life you are calling Tami a liar.. I consider this a personal attack on multiple levels 4. In a game where you can only do 3 things without building an army implies the major portion of that game revolves around battles and conflict. I do not play command and conquer in the hopes i might be able to just build up my base and collect resources. I know a fight is coming, its just a matter of when and if I'm ready for it. 5. In the short couple of weeks I've played you have switched clans at least twice so you can take that line of crap and shove it. Any other questions? I recommend you put a sock in it and bite it. Now quite throwing your fit or I'll be forced to call you a liar cause no one who claims to have been online for over 20 years like Tami and myself have been can throw a tantrum like a 10 year old and have any credibility. |
| Posted by: macebreaker 01-Sep-2008, 08:59 PM |
| Oh and on a side note, I dont need a copy of the mail sent to me or posted somewhere else to read it off my wifes monitor. So don't pull the show proof crap either. . |
| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 10:20 PM | ||||||||||||
Once again- prove it, jackass. Now we can add another person to the list of liars. As Rindy said:
That is not me. Yes, I will pull that "prove it" comment. Here we have Rindy contradicting what you and Tami say. All three of you cannot be telling the truth. In this matter, I tend to say Rindy is correct and you are both wrong- since I know I never sent threatening mails to anyone in this game. Two things have been said by me: this was said in the "discussions" area in-game until I realized it could only be seen by other in my kingdom (1,3,x players) and not everyone at large. It was later posted here at the forum in general: "Attn: Wolf clan Sending me invitations while your armies march on my borders is unlikely to persuade me to join. If your armies are not recalled before they reach me, there will be retaliation. -subhuman" who is the aggressor? The second was said earlier in this thread. I want to see one tiniest shred of evidence I initiated any of this. Nothing was ever sent by any mails. On the other hand, more evidence to back up Rindy, there is a message from MacEoghainn to your clan- once again that is not me, nor is that anyone I have ever been working with. macebreaker, in your first post in this thread you accuse me of being a shoolyard bully. Yet Clan Wolf, on the other hand should look in the mirror. Let me give you an analogy: you see someone sitting on a park bench, minding their own business reading the newspaper. Several of you plot together, "hey let's go kick his ass and steal his wallet."
I'm going further, and stating this again: you are also a liar. I've provided evidence to back up my initial claims of several members of Wolf Clan being dishonorable. None of you have provided any evidence to back up your claims- in fact, one of your clan members has at least had enough honesty to come forward and state that those messages came from someone else. You and Tami both keep insisting those messages came from me. Despite both myself and now also Rindy stating they came from someone else. You may consider this a personal attack if you will- I see it as defending myself. False accusations were made about me. I asked for evidence of these claims. None was provided. False claims continued. After that, I called those statements lies. That does indeed fit the definition of "liar" as defined by most dictionaries of the English language.
No one can stop you from doing so. But once again, I've provided evidence to back up my claims. Neither you nor Tami have done the same. Nor can you provide evidence which does not exist.
In a game where accumulated gold has real-life value, hoarding it is indeed the best course of action. Tami's attack on me cost her 9700 gold in lost forces and she captured 6 gold from me. Rindy's attack cost her 6500 gold in lost forces and she captured none from me. The math doesn't work out, does it?
Of course you'd say this- you're making wholly unfounded false claims. Of course you'd be opposed to something that shows you to be full of BS. |
| Posted by: macebreaker 01-Sep-2008, 10:29 PM |
| Now you show your true nature. Name calling is both disrespectful, and the act of a person cornered with the knowledge they are busted. And I am reporting this post as a personal attack. |
| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 10:33 PM | ||
What do you classify the myriad posts which make claims about me? You know, the ones that you and Tami have been unable to back up. The ones that myself and now also Rindy state came from someone else? |
| Posted by: TamiMcLeod 01-Sep-2008, 10:53 PM |
| Re read her posts... she didnt say they came from someone else.. she stated... """"She did have messages and some were threatning so we attacked. """" She meaning me from you..... shes talking about the mac, that is something totally different.. If myself, Rindy and Mace are saying you did, and they read them and also my responses to your emails as well.. i think other will see who is lying and who isnt.. First off i think threating is a part of the game.. if you want to get into char.. i was never upset about them at all, you did it and we all read them and went after you for them.. Who cares how much it costs to replace men? its the point f the game to do battle, and we are having fun, so what if it cost money, it cost money to play and build too.. Just like now your going after Rindy with your troops.. Get off your high horse stop whining and play the game.... oh and just so you know, we all do post to each other our messages and when armys are coming at us.. so we all saw it.. So if troops are headed your way.. to bad... I don't think personal attacks are allowed on this forum...This forum is a safe place .. So now you can speak to yourself.. cause i have to many things to do when sit here and play yoru game.. Rindy was right, you are yoru name... Sub Human |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 01-Sep-2008, 11:03 PM |
| Seems to me like someone needs to go read the disclaimer that Celtic posted. |
| Posted by: TamiMcLeod 01-Sep-2008, 11:11 PM |
| Hey Shenanigan... thats for what you sent.... just make sure you have enough for yourself before worrying about me ok? do it over a few days or something, i am not in a hurry.. ok? Do you know if somewhere along the way maybe when you hot a certain amount or something, something might open up like maybe new buildings or research? |
| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 11:12 PM | ||||||||||
Tami, did you read *any* of Rindy's posts in this thread?
Plus the other one I quoted earlier where she says the threats were from MacEoghainn. Is *any* of this sinking in yet?
What e-mails? You are confusing me with someone else. Neither you nor anyone in your clan- who you say you shared them with- can produce even one from me. Doesn't it eventually sink in that maybe, just maybe they didn't come from me- just as I've been saying all along??
Read my first post in this thread. Since apparently Wolf Clan is unwilling to repay my losses, I am now taking further action. Just like I said I would.
On one hand, they shouldn't be. On the other hand- Mac did say this is unmoderated. I'll quote exactly what I said to macebreaker in my last post, since you apparently missed it.
False attacks on my character and integrity will be met with a response. The emphasis is on part underlined. You have, to date, provided absolutely no evidence to back up your false claims about me. So if, indeed personal attacks are not allowed here- I hope you're prepared. Bottom line is this: I've provided evidence to back up my claims of you being dishonorable and a liar. You've provided absolutely nothing to back up your claims about me. |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 01-Sep-2008, 11:32 PM |
| did u send an email to let them know you were attacking them or just hope that they'd understand and be ok with it? |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 01-Sep-2008, 11:37 PM |
| And if it pleases the courts i'd like to go on record that I remember seeing the emails posted in on our clan forums back when they were first sent and everyone having a good laugh about them, that sparked the attacks that we began sending out. throw personal attacks at me now if you wish, I like being called names  |
| Posted by: subhuman 01-Sep-2008, 11:49 PM | ||||
That was covered in the first post in this thread. Also, one person does not generally get referred to as "them" which is plural.
Provide us with one, please. |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 01-Sep-2008, 11:54 PM |
| hmmmm you seem to not understand me sub, I simply said I remember seeing them posted, did i mention your name? Not at all my dear friend. Simply me saying why yes I did remember seeing them posted in the Wolf Clan forums. And I'm sorry I had no idea this was english class. If it pleases you may I try my question again? Did you send an email to (the one certain person) that you are now sending your army to? is that better for you? Hopefully my misuse of the english language will not land me a week in the dungeon or in the stocks! I now leave the floor to you sir to continue your rambling and bickering |
| Posted by: subhuman 02-Sep-2008, 12:04 AM | ||||
I thought this was answered above, but here it goes: I have sent absolutely no e-mails to anyone currently or formerly in Clan Wolf regarding attacks. Hence why I'm so confident nobody can produce such a thing. The warning was in the second-last line of my first post in this thread. The person who is being attacked has read and replied to this thread. Thus, notice was given. I attempted diplomacy prior to military force- in that same post. On top of that, seeing as that person attacked me first- I am under no moral or ethical obligation to provide any advance warning- but did so anyway.
Then why did you go "on record" for the "courts"? If you're not sure where they originated, your testimony is pretty much null and void. |
| Posted by: 007dust 02-Sep-2008, 12:06 AM |
| "I have two modes: wiseass and dumbass. Mode is determined by current blood alcohol level." It seems to me that Mayor McCheese here is currently had his fill of Diaspora. |
| Posted by: macebreaker 02-Sep-2008, 12:12 AM |
| Just to help subhuman out here. The term Diaspora (in Greek, διασπορά – "a scattering or sowing of seeds") refers to the forced or voluntary dispersal of any population sharing common ethnic identity to leave their settled territory, and become residents in areas often far removed from the former. It is converse to the nomadic lifestyle. Diaspora cultural development often assumes a different course to the population in the original place of settlement, and tends to vary between remotely separated communities in culture, traditions and other factors. The last vestige of cultural affiliation in a Diaspora is usually found in community resistance to language change. Don't want to make things to difficult for you. |
| Posted by: 007dust 02-Sep-2008, 12:20 AM |
| Exactly, like I said...he's a Bailey's swilling drunkard who needs to suck it up. Stop being a little bitch and realize it's like EA sports up in here.."it's in the game"  |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 02-Sep-2008, 12:20 AM |
| Sub again you do not seem to understand me I was simply restating my question as to better please you because of my loose using of the english language when i said "them" when only referring to one person. I didn't want you to be mad because I didn't say (one certain person) so buck up there champ it'll be ok And whether my testimony is "null" and "void" as a free man living in the United States, I still felt some people would still like to know that I also remember seeing certain emails. I know that you are much bigger in this universe than us peons just here to have fun, but I still felt that my voice could be heard no matter if it meant anything to you in particular or not, sire. Good day I say to you |
| Posted by: TamiMcLeod 02-Sep-2008, 12:21 AM | ||
Me too Celtic Radio Back in the ages they also did things like this as well. With letters by horsemen and sent spys out with false information on attacks, or orders.. There was a book that was published, about fake maneuvers, sending troops put for a 3 day walk but only to return again, traps and spy's.. it was a really good book, but i cant remember the name of it.. does anyone here? |
| Posted by: subhuman 02-Sep-2008, 12:47 AM | ||
Nobody is disputing that threating messages were sent. I am, however, disputing the claim that they came from me. I remember seeing one posted from MacEoghainn demanding that Clan Wolf disband and that three members join that clan. Now, in your "testimony to the courts" that you made previously and in the following posts you're not saying that the messages came from me. My point was that if you cannot remember who sent them, or if you're not inclined to say who it was- it doesn't really help resolve this at all. |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 02-Sep-2008, 12:55 AM |
| I do not remember saying, I hope this helps you guys settle your resolve. I mean i could have maybe I wrote that in the same color font as the background here so you couldn't see it? hmmmmmmmm... wonder if you're gonna go back and check that out. Hopefully that'll entertain you for hours. |
| Posted by: TamiMcLeod 02-Sep-2008, 01:02 AM |
| Again i will state.. the emails came from you, they were posted with the info with date time and name of sender. So yes they all know they are from you due to that fact.. You keep saying you want proof.. theres 4 people now telling you they saw them.. And i have posted that our forum threads had disappeared. Also noted Celtic Radio said they were bugs and they are working on them. Each day threads get deleted, some my mistake yes and others just go away.. I for one have deleted 2 my mistake, and i knwo a few others had as well. But the info ones we saved had vanished. Like today we were down to 4 threads again when we had 8 of them up. We cant show you your own posts, they are all gone.Period!!! so stop asking... We have spoke We are Wolf Clan |
| Posted by: subhuman 02-Sep-2008, 01:12 AM | ||
Rindy said they didn't come from me. Shenaniganz didn't say they came from me. I never disputed that you received threatening messages. I am merely disputing your claim that I was the originator of them. You have two people saying they came from me. There are two others saying they didn't. One person not commenting on their origin. |
| Posted by: TamiMcLeod 02-Sep-2008, 01:16 AM |
| Rindy did not say they didn't come from you at all, she was talking about something else and it ran together, i speak to rindy all the time she knows they came from you. Shen also knows they came from you, he did not, i repeat did not say they were not from you. Where do you keep getting this from? Everyone saw the email it saids who it is from, with date and time and header as well.. God get it in your head dude.. everyone knows your secret... |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 02-Sep-2008, 01:22 AM |
| Can you prove you did"not" send them? hehe |
| Posted by: McKilgore 02-Sep-2008, 01:34 AM |
| Can't we all just get along!! |
| Posted by: 007dust 02-Sep-2008, 01:36 AM |
| This has totally escalated to assinine proportions of repetitiveness. Good sire, may I impose upon your apparent lack of judgement?? Thou shalt not receive compensation, which should be apparent no since your still bantering on the third page of this thread.  |
| Posted by: macebreaker 02-Sep-2008, 01:43 AM |
| I want compensation for the waste of the last four hours dealing with this thread... i figure it'll cost subhuman, 100 million dollars. And a really big jar of aspirin. |
| Posted by: subhuman 02-Sep-2008, 01:43 AM | ||||||||||
My exact words:
and:
and, finally:
He's not saying they came from me. He's also not saying they didn't come from me. That's pretty much what "not commenting on their origin" means....
Can you provide proof that you do *not* molest pre-pubescent boys? Both are ridiculous claims without basis in truth, with no evidence to back them up. Burden of proof lies with the accuser. |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 02-Sep-2008, 01:48 AM |
| You know I can not prove that I do not Sub therefore it will take your own judgement as to whether or not I do huh? Seems like I shall do the same to you. I will base my judgement on how i feel. And the fact that you would be thinking of me with pre pubescent boys frightens me as to how twisted your mind can be, Dr. Lector cheers to you as I said before, give me all the name calling and witless banter you want, I feed off of it and could have a useless conversation with you for days on end. Shall we dance, puppet? |
| Posted by: 007dust 02-Sep-2008, 02:03 AM |
Dude, I totally didn't say anything about the pre-pube boys I swear!!  This guy has an "insider" or something...pay him off quick! |
| Posted by: stevenpd 02-Sep-2008, 06:36 PM |
| I am declaring a cooling off period of 48 hours. I think there's nothing left of the horse. |
| Posted by: Shenaniganz247 03-Nov-2008, 01:23 AM |
| I sure hope this horse wasn't one that my knights or cavalry rode upon... if so they will not be worth much in battle haha I can see quite a change in myself from that point in the game to this point of it, I guess striking out on my own and not being under the rule of the non existant will make you a better person in the end huh? Lord Shenaniganz247 of Kincardine Chieftain, Clan Bruce 1:5:1 |
| Posted by: stevenpd 03-Nov-2008, 10:08 PM |
| When you're under tyranny, you act to survive. When you shake off the bindings of tyranny you act to prosper. Two different mindsets with two different outcomes. |