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Camac
Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 10:40 AM
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Exactly one week ago to-day I purchesed a new Acer Laptop, nice computer except that it came with WINDOWS VISTA HOME PREMIUM which has to be the BIGGEST PIECE OF CRAP that Microsoft has ever come up with. If it isn't asking you constantly why you want to do something it is jumping around from site to site, loosing stuff or telling you politely to go to hell. Hopefully with in the next little while I can get it removed and Windows XP installed. Microsoft should be totally ashamed of creating let alone selling such a lousy system. When installing the wireless router everytime you try to input a password to protect the system it refuses it then shuts down. So I am operating a computer on wireless that everybody and their brother in the neighbourhood can lock in on and get free usage by pirating my signal. Even while typing this it is screwing around. Won't let me put any emoticons in. If Mr. Gates or whom ever took over walked in here now I would shove his software where the sun don't shine.

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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 11:05 AM
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My freind has it on her's and she hates it too. She wants ME lol.gif to take it off and install my Windows XP. I have enough problems with mine (not Windows) that I have a fix-it guy when I need it.

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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 11:21 AM
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Camac;

It is near impossible to transfer a computer from Vista back to XP (particularly with laptops and if it comes with Vista built in), most Vista computers have hardware only compatible with Vista, whether sound cards or network routers.

If you want to try and learn to tolerate it, then one of the things that cause the most irritation is the "User Account Control" you can turn it off by going to 'Control Panel - User Accounts - Turn User Account Control On or Off' then restart your laptop, and then it will stop asking you if you are sure you want to do something.

If you don't want to tolerate it, and you hate it with every fiber of your being..... I would suggest trying to get your money back and purchase a laptop with XP. Or you can continue to curse and swear at your computer until you are able to upgrade to Windows 7 (who knows when that will come out?).


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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 11:44 AM
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MacDonnchaidh,

Is this the same for a desktop? Could she do the "User Account Control" thing too and it would work the same? See this is how I learn ask questions or watch my guy when he's doing something on mine.


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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 12:10 PM
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Yeah it's the same with a desktop. Granted, there are still a bunch of other annoyances that Vista has, but, you learn to live with them. I remember feeling the same way about upgrading to XP from Windows 2000.
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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 12:46 PM
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Glorious times as we used Win3.1! In my opinion this version was the best that "uncle M." ever built.
I started with this OS (after using a Commodore 64 wink.gif a really hot piece - pure head- and fingerwork!) but bit by bit I was forced to change change it. Win95 in my eyes was a disaster, Win98 more respectable and after Win3.1 my favorite OS for a long time. Relatively good to handle and not such a disk-space-monster - in a nutshell this OS did what I wanted and not conversely...
Today I have to use XP because some of my hardware components asks for. I don't like it because "uncle M." seems to be pretty inquiring if I change hardware components and I have to activate the OS again and again and again... I don't know why "uncle M." want to know something about my hardware components...
However... there aren't really many alternatives.

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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 01:22 PM
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MacDonnchaidh:

According to one of my tenants who is a computer expert, with a degree and a bunch of initials after his name, said that it would be no problem to remove the Vista and put in XP as he has done it for a few other people . Problem is he is being sent to Asia by his company and won't be back to the middle of June so I am just going to have to live with it till then. I'll try your suggestion about the account control and see what happens.

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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 03:12 PM
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I also have Vista and I do not like it at all. Sometimes I just want to pick up my laptop and throw it out the window. Would have loved to have a Mac, but couldn't afford it.

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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 08:45 PM
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My friend at Microsoft tells me that Vista may be the BIGGEST corporate mistake since New Coke! If you don't remember that, ask your folks! tongue.gif


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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 09:26 PM
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I am an IT Professional, and have been for 6 years. I've dorked around with computers long before that, and I will say that I quite enjoy Vista. I don't like UAC, myself, and feel that could have been handled better, but aside from that, I have not had any problems, AT HOME.

That having been said, I won't move any computers at work to Vista. I've been reading many reviews on Vista in an enterprise setting, and don't feel it works well there.

Also, Camac, your friend is right. You may move from Vista to XP with no problems. Hardware that is compatible with Vista always has drivers written for XP for them. I've not come across a single sound card that is only compatible with Vista, and I have no idea why a network router (an Operating System independent device anyway, operating at the transport layer of the stack) would be tied to Vista. If anyone would care to post the make and model of a piece of hardware that will only work for Vista, however, I would much love to know about it.

Anyway, Microsoft has always allowed downgrading of OS' in their licensing agreement. If you purchase a PC with Vista, you may legally downgrade (just a term that explains going backwards in terms of the order OS' were released) to XP. Someone else may not use your copy of Vista, however, even if they wanted to. smile.gif

Anyway, I'm sorry your Vista experience has been less than satisfactory, especially since I have enjoyed it so much.

As an aside, I will not buy a Mac. They are OVERPRICED, for no reason. Apple's argument in the past has always been that the hardware in a Mac was so different than that of a PC, it HAD to charge more. Well, with the switch to Intel processors, you'd think that would solve it. Now, Macs have the same exact components as a PC. But they're still overpriced.

I am glad Mac is around, as competition in a free market is good for everyone....even the pseudo-free market we have. But I won't be raped by the ridiculous price of a Mac. Macs use a derivation of Unix/Linux as their OS, however, which is definitely cool. wink.gif


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Posted: 21-Apr-2009, 10:12 PM
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Also, Camac, your friend is right. You may move from Vista to XP with no problems. Hardware that is compatible with Vista always has drivers written for XP for them. I've not come across a single sound card that is only compatible with Vista, and I have no idea why a network router (an Operating System independent device anyway, operating at the transport layer of the stack) would be tied to Vista. If anyone would care to post the make and model of a piece of hardware that will only work for Vista, however, I would much love to know about it.


I stand corrected, I was speaking from the experiences of my dad (a computer engineer) several computers he has downgraded experienced issues behind the scenes, one of which the sound card blacked out for no reason other than not being compatible with XP, and the latest laptop he downgraded can't connect to the Internet wirelessly, it has to be wired in (my apologies if I misused the term network router).
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Ah.

Well, there is ONE issue I am aware of with certain laptops. There is a setting in the BIOS that doesn't like when you downgrade, but if one is aware of it, it can be set correctly so the downgrade is possible.
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Though not an IT pro, I have dealt with electronics most of my life and build and work on computers regularly. I have a friend who also had an Acer with Vista home on it and it truly is super easy to "roll back" to XP. The funny thing about that Acer was the drivers. Before I did the install I went to their website and looked up the laptop so I could get the needed drivers, and the only drivers they had for her model were for XP! I got a nice kick out of that personally. The best thing about the downgrade is (for now) almost everything runs just fine if not better on Win XP, and where the laptop is built to handle the insane demands of Vista on memory and such XP really smokes on them. When I gave her the laptop back she was amazed at how much faster it was, (and so was I actually).

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You know, I was the same way. I heard so many horror stories about XP at first and when I used it I was all pissy about it, lol. I think I held out for a good 2 years before I finally caved and switched over! I loved 2000 Pro. Hell, I'm at work now and the majority of our systems are still running 2000. Alot of the servers are running win '03 now and a few of them are still running redhat linux.

I have to agree with Taliesin about the Mac prices, but they are used in the pro market, (movies, music, TV, Graphics design) almost exclusively for a good reason. A fixed up Mac simply smokes a PC, and even he will have to admit that there are so many elements of Vista that are something the Mac's have had, (and take half the resources to use) for quite some time now. You can barely tell the two apart anymore seems like. Again he is right about the prices though, especially since the intel move, (which I was really dissapointed about truthfully).
They are way overpriced, but the quality of their products can't be denied.

Hey! I was just thinking of something, I have a sweet old Acer laptop, grey screen, no sound, no CD, runs win 3.1. Loved that little thing. I need a 16MB harddrive for it. No, that is not a type-o, 16 megabyte cool.gif It's just collecting dust in storage. The good old days. I remember when we got our first "color" monitor for the Apple IIe we had at school. We had one singe monitor in the guidance councellors office and people would stand in line to see all 16 of those colors LOL! "wow, it's not green! ooh, aah" Impressing people by doing the impossible...cutting a notch in our 5 1/4 floppies so you could use both sides GASP!

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laugh.gif laugh.gif What a hilarious, (and probally accurate) comparison. You know what is totally funny? I liked the new coke, it tasted more like Pepsi cool.gif

I've played around with Windows 7 a bit and what is so odd...I actually like it. Yeah, it's still a huge resource hog but they have gotten alot of the bugs out seems like and have added some pretty cool features to it. They should have kept longhorn (Vista) where it belonged, in beta. I think Win 7 is going to be what Microsoft really wanted Vista to be in the first place, but they were a little quick on the draw and released it too early. We shall soon see eh?



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I never understood why people have so much trouble with Vista. Although I haven't dealt with it on a laptop, I enjoy it quite a lot. I just build a new gaming system in October and had Vista Home Premium 64bit on here since. Aside from a few quirks (that XP has in equivalent as well) it's enjoyable.
The 2 main reasons I decided to go with Vista were DirectX 10 and a new look from the years and years of looking at the same interface as XP. Mind you they are similar because well it's Windows and Windows will always have the same functions. Maybe I've just got lucky but I don't have too many major issues with Vista...no more than I did with XP that is.

Could a part of your frustration be that you're just so used to XP that it's aggravating to have a whole new navigation system? I was at first but once you get used to it there's no problem. turning off the User Access Control was the first thing I did when I booted up the system and quite understandably that wasn't the wisest move to incorporate that...at least for the more experienced users.

But have no worries, Windows 7 is on the way. All your troubles will be gone when you upgrade to that! smile.gif
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