HR3200, What's in it?

I got word today that obama backed down on the health care plan being discussed now. This much to the displeasure of his supporters It appears that both sides, including some conservative democrats, are polarized to the point that little is likely to happen in the near future.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Patch;

Methinks Health Care Reform in the U.S. just went the way of the Dodo.



Camac.

Camac:

I think they will still bat it around for a while but without ALL of the democrats behind it in the house, it is dead for now. Even though the bill is dead, it will probably cost some congressmen/women, and possibly senators, their jobs next election.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Patch;

It's a shame really without the Government Insurance to compete with the private sector, the Health Insurance Companies have just been given the keys to Fort Knox. My friend you don't know how good it feels knowing that my medical expenses, if any, are covered and that I won't be a finacial burden on girls.




Camac.

Camac:

Unfortunately the plan put forth by the administration was seriously flawed and was being rushed through with no time allowed for debate. I suspect a plan could be drafted that fixed our medicare and medicaid, and would allow reasonable coverage for the uninsured. If all have coverage, cost's should come down but with the greed involved in all business in this country today, it may take quite a while. I doubt that it would cost 1.5 trillion dollars either. Government is not an efficient way to run anything though!

Doctors were opposed to the last plan though the AMA did support it. The AMA no longer represents the medical profession here. AARP (senior group) did not support the plan though obama erroneously said they did. The US Chamber of Commerce was also opposed. Once it was available to be accessed on the net, it was evident that the administration needed passage before the people had the opportunity to read it. That removed the opportunity for the administration to deny portions that were leaked.

I suspect that even if coverage is available, some will decline because of the economic situation. We are still experiencing over half a million new job claims a month with no credible predictions that the end is in sight.

We need common sense debate on a bill in both the house and senate to arrive at something affordable and fair that would fix the system we have!! I fear that is too much to ask of the group (all of them) in Washington DC today!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Lynn,

I appreciate the psychology lesson. That's an interesting concept. It could be pinned on me too, I suppose, that I am engaging in confirmation bias. By my prior statement "I seek out affirmation wherever I can find it", it would certainly appear to be the case. However, the overwhelming amount of easily verifiable evidence that reveals Obama's socialist tendencies makes my efforts something that doesn't warrant a label attached to them, but rather underscores an obvious fact. Do you agree? Or would you say that Obama has not demonstrated socialist tendencies?

Patch;

I sort of had the feeling that Obama was rushing things but up here I only have the U.S. news out of Buffalo to go by. Anyway I'm off to take advantage of our system to-morrow with a visit to my family Doctor. Like I wrote in Seniors and old Farts the pulled muscle is getting worse instead of better so I'd better go get it checked again. Got my new Health Card yesterday and the photo of me looks like I'm an inmate at Milhaven Pen. (Millhaven is a big Fed. Penitentiary in Kingston).



Camac.

I wish you the best with the pulled muscle. It seems things are much slower to heal as I get older!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Lynn,

I appreciate the psychology lesson. That's an interesting concept. It could be pinned on me too, I suppose, that I am engaging in confirmation bias. By my prior statement "I seek out affirmation wherever I can find it", it would certainly appear to be the case. However, the overwhelming amount of easily verifiable evidence that reveals Obama's socialist tendencies makes my efforts something that doesn't warrant a label attached to them, but rather underscores an obvious fact. Do you agree? Or would you say that Obama has not demonstrated socialist tendencies?

First thing I would want to know with some specificity is what you call a socialist tendency and why, before I would answer that -- since you are talking about easily verifiable evidence and obvious fact that either aren't known or aren't obvious to me.

In general, though, when you make an claim like that and someone disagrees with it, you have the burden of proof. It's not up to me to say why your claim is false, but for you to demonstrate why it is true.

If I may. Socialism (Democratic Socialism) is not a dirty word nor is it blasphemous. I find it ironic that the majority of Americans claim to be Christian and the U.S is a Christian country yet you vehemently denouce Socialism or anything connected to a Social programe. The teachings of the early Christians, which modern Christianity is based on, were Socialist, if not Communistic in their leaning. So if one really wanted to stretch it a bit by denouncing any and all Socialism you are denouncing the very thing you claim to be . Christian.



Camac.

Don't go there!

Just kidding. Actually, we are a representative republic. Not a socialist state. Socialism, as you seem to understand it as democratic in nature, may well have merits that I and others in the "vast right-wing conspiracy" might not find altogether unpleasant. However, the type of socialist ideas that are permeating our government are far from democratic. We have a small contingent of elected officials who agreed to represent the will of their electorate and who, by means of strength and power, plan and scheme to concoct policy which suits their own end, and the desires of special interest groups. They also advocate enacting policy and legislation which finds creative ways to separate the wealthy from their money and then to act as a benevolent parent figure by distributing to those deemed more worthy to have it. Three big efforts from the sitting administration are efforts to advance socialism...cap and trade, health care reform, and cash for clunkers. One form of socialism which has already come to fruition is demonstrated in the auto industry and the banking system. Futhermore, the ubiquitous bailouts were just another clench of the talons from the federal government.

Before anyone decides that I am unfairly targeting Obama, let me explain one more view I have. Up until now (in my adult life observing our political structure) I have only seen a smattering of socialist efforts. Surely McCain, who I held my nose and voted for, would have also dealt a socialist blow to our nation. But I firmly believe that it would have been far easier to rectify his blunders than it appears will be with Obama. The way I see it, he is on a fast track, and may do harm with his proposals that could take the rest of my natural life to reverse, if then.

SC Shamrock;

I for one am not an ardent socialist. I do however believe in the type of social democracy practiced here in Canada. It is very limited. Free market flourishes in Canada. We do have a limited social safety net and that's the way the vast majority of us like it. Even the Conservative, which are akin to Republicans, won't mess with Canada's social programs. I guess the reason it works here is that in our political system only the governing party proposes and passes legislation and the opposition parties do their thing and oppose it. NO individual M.P. can add to or change proposed legislation with out the unanimous consent of Parliament. We do not have a system where senators or congressmen can tack on other tidbits to legislation . It is hard to add pork to the barrel. Our problem is Patronage to party hacks.


Camac.

PS. We are a representative Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy. Technically subjects of Her Majesty Queen ElizabethII. In reality we run our own country and the Queen or England have no say whatsoever.

I say we are a representative republic. Actually, we most closely resemble and oligarchy in denial.

SCShamrock;

With a leaning to Theocracy.

Camac.

You obviously aren't paying attention to the efforts going on in this country to squash Christianity:

Throw them in prison for prayer.

If you want to check out what's been happening in this country for over 40 years to rid our society of Chrisitianity, check out David Limbaugh's book Persecution. Ahhh the truth...it sometimes grabs you by the boo boo.