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Muslims Not 'Free Of Being Mocked, Really? You could have fooled me.

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MacEoghainn	Posted: 01-Oct-2009, 04:03 PM
Fear-leanmhainn an R�gh Group: Founder Posts: 2,961 Joined: 18-Jan-2004 Zodiac: Hazel Realm: Cape Coral, Florida, USA, Planet Earth	Muslims Not 'Free of Being Mocked,' Danish Cartoonist Says -------------------- MacE AKA *Steve Ewing* I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth. Job 19:25 "Non sibi sed patriae!" Reviresco (I grow strong again) Clan MacEwen motto Audaciter (Audacity) My Ewing Family Motto (descendants of Baron William Ewing of Glasgow, born about 1630) "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln "Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum." from "Epitoma Rei Militaris," by Vegetius

Patch	Posted: 01-Oct-2009, 06:31 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 7,710 Joined: 22-Dec-2002 Zodiac: Ivy Realm: America, Mid West	My opinion is "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." If they want to live in other countries, the host country's laws and customs apply! If this is not acceptable, they can probably find someone who will provide the fare to get them home. Sl�inte,�� Patch��

Nova Scotian	Posted: 02-Oct-2009, 05:51 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Scotland Posts: 916 Joined: 09-Mar-2005 Zodiac: Rowan Realm: Tampa Florida	And the Muslims say they don't force their religion on anyone. -------------------- ALL4114Christ! 343 Their blood cries out! NEVER FORGET 9/11! The 2nd Ammendment. The original Homeland Security! "To those who would follow laws; laws need not apply. Those who would not follow laws; laws will have no affect upon." Plato I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C. S. Lewis

Antwn	Posted: 02-Oct-2009, 06:15 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 1,409 Joined: 18-Apr-2005 Zodiac: Birch Realm: UDA ond o linach Cymry	I don't think they're trying to force their religion by this, they're trying to coerce respect for their own idea that their religious beliefs are beyond reproach. They want its sanctimony respected and want to dictate the terms. Unfortunately for them, that's not how the rest of the world works, certainly not secular democracies, which are anathema to the socio-political-religious proclivities of the majority of Muslim states. -------------------- Yr hen Gymraeg i mi, Hon ydyw iaith teimladau, Ac adlais i guriadau Fy nghalon ydyw hi --- Mynyddog

Camac	Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 09:20 AM
Guest Main: Registration Questions: Help Important: Rules Messages: Search Zodiac:	Antwn; Excuse the crudity but :if they can't take a joke. S---- 'em and the horse they rode in on. Their Prophet either spent to much time sitting in the sun or going to the mountain. Camac.

LibraryJim	Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 09:42 AM
Servant Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 45 Joined: 03-Dec-2007 Zodiac: Vine	When my daughter was in high school, she had a Muslim friend who's family was from Syria. When daughter asked her why she did things a certain way, because after all she's an American, the reply came back "I'm not American, I'm Syrian". That's the mindset that keeps Muslim immigrants from becoming a part of the country to which they have immigrated, and the root of a lot of their problems. I have friends who have come here from Scotland, and they no longer consider themselves 'Scots' they say "we are Americans" and their proudest moment was when they became citizens. They don't have to give up their cultural trappings (he still wears kilts and eats haggis), but their National Identity is in this country now.

Patch	Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 11:08 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 7,710 Joined: 22-Dec-2002 Zodiac: Ivy Realm: America, Mid West	I have a neighbor from the middle east who feels the same way. His irresponsible acts and rejection of our laws caused me to read the Koran. Sl�inte,�� �Patch��

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Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE (Camac @ 03-Oct-2009, 10:20 AM)

Antwn;

Excuse the crudity but :if they can't take a joke. S---- 'em and the horse they rode in on. Their Prophet either spent to much time sitting in the sun or going to the mountain.

Camac.

I don't share much of your beliefs Camac. But you just took the words right out of my mouth.

MacEoghainn

Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE (Nova Scotian @ 03-Oct-2009, 01:26 PM)

QUOTE (Camac @ 03-Oct-2009, 10:20 AM)

Antwn;

Excuse the crudity but :if they can't take a joke. S---- 'em and the horse they rode� in on. Their Prophet either spent to much time sitting in the sun or going to the mountain.

Camac.

I don't share much of your beliefs Camac. But you just took the words right out of my mouth.

I'm still trying to figure out what obscene word starts with an "S" (and I was in the Navy so I should know every "cuss" word known to man!

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Camac	Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 12:44 PM
Guest Main: Registration Questions: Help Important: Rules Messages: Search Zodiac:	Mace; The word is also used to describe a threaded wood fastener. Up here it also means to fornicate and is sometimes used to replace the F word. Camac

Patch	Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 12:46 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 7,710 Joined: 22-Dec-2002 Zodiac: Ivy Realm: America, Mid West	I am betting he meant "shoot". Sl�inte,�� Patch��

Camac	Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 12:49 PM
Guest Main: Registration Questions: Help Important: Rules Messages: Search Zodiac:	Patch; No I didn't mean shoot. I wouldn't do that to the Horse nor would I S---- a horse. I guess I should have put F--- 'em. Camac

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Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE (LibraryJim @ 03-Oct-2009, 10:42 AM)

When my daughter was in high school, she had a Muslim friend who's family was from Syria. When daughter asked her why she did things a certain way, because after all she's an American, the reply came back "I'm not American, I'm Syrian".

That's the mindset that keeps Muslim immigrants from becoming a part of the country to which they have immigrated, and the root of a lot of their problems. I have friends who have come here from Scotland, and they no longer consider themselves 'Scots' they say "we are Americans" and their proudest moment was when they became citizens. They don't have to give up their cultural trappings (he still wears kilts and eats haggis), but their National Identity is in this country now.

Cultural identity can be distinct from national identity. One can be a citizen of one country while culturally belonging to another. Its not just Muslims.

A person has the right to identify themselves as they wish. There's no need to invalidate or delete a previous culture to become American. There's no need to create an either/or choice. This is an entirely different point than that of tolerance for satirical cartoons that reference your religious beliefs, although its part of the issue. Acclimation to an entirely different culture is often a struggle, depending on how different mores and attitudes are. I'd imagine for a Scot it would be far easier than for a Syrian. I work with quite a number of Indians (east Indian) and I see it.

I see no problem with anyone identifying themselves as Syrian even if they're American citizens. However, they also must realize they don't live in Syria and must acquiesce to some expectations of the culture they've adopted in lieu of expecting their adopted culture to adopt their ways. This is more the relevant point regarding satirical comments about their religion. Satire is part of western tradition and there are no sacred cows for a satirist. I understand it hurts, and those who're the subject of such flippancy feel misunderstood. I too feel misunderstood when I hear some comments about America from outsiders who I feel don't understand us. I also feel free speech trumps my personal feelings of offense, and that ideal is not just mine, but its the law of the land.

Patch

Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE (Camac @ 03-Oct-2009, 02:49 PM)

Patch;

No I didn't mean shoot. I wouldn't do that to the Horse nor would I S---- a horse.
I guess I should have put F--- 'em.

Camac

Camac:

Ok, I did not think in Brit terms!

Sl�inte,��

Patch��

MacEoghainn

Posted: 03-Oct-2009, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE (Camac @ 03-Oct-2009, 02:44 PM)

Mace;

The word is also used to describe a threaded wood fastener. Up here it also means to fornicate and is sometimes used to replace the F word.

Camac

That explains it. The word wasn't dirty enough for me and my "sailor vocabulary" to recognized as obscene. That word was perfectly acceptable for use even in polite Navy company.

As I remember it the epitaph you were using had been shortened to "and the horse you/they rode in on". The rest of the statement was assumed by both parties.

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