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Posted by: SCShamrock 06-Aug-2009, 08:40 PM
Check this out. Was sent in an email. Let the flaming begin. smile.gif

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Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 04:52 AM
You are right, it will stir things up a bit.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 08:10 AM
Patch;

I listened to the message using the bible to connect Obama to satan. What a crock.
Like it has been said get enough chimps to-gether give them typewriters and they will write a play worthy of Shakespeare. Take any word or name and translate it into any language and you will come up with some really weird answers. If I read the bible, which I haven't as I have little interest in the oral history and legends of a semitic tribe, nor a religious reformer I could more than likely find all sorts of references to people, places and modern times. The really sad thing about this is that there are people that will believe this.

I have to clarify one thing and that is the only reason I take an interest in Obama is the fact that he is your President and what he says or does effects the whole world. alot of it effects us as we are your next door neighbour.


Camac.

PS. I was just wondering if I am an anti-christ as I am completely against the idea that he was the son of god and my so called lord and saviour.

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 08:44 AM
I did not say I believed the translation just that it would create much comment. I do believe that there will be an antichrist but do not know who it will be. I am judicial enough that I believe I will recognize him/her should I still be alive.

I agree about the monkeys comment and believe that is the intellect level that resides in Washington now. It is not new, just worse.

There are many things which have been done here which will affect Canadians. I knew the previous owner of a camp on Horwood Lake and the auto salvage in Timmons. He had a big used parts business and the lions share of the parts came from the US. Our clunkers program will slash that. Those auto's engines, bodies and drive trains are to be destroyed. Locally the vehicles being traded in (very few as there are few financial fools in my area) are vehicles that would be a parts gold mine and are still in running order. That is a change that probably few in Canada have thought about.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: englishmix 07-Aug-2009, 11:40 AM
To be of anti-crhist, one would have to pretend to be a Christian but really in truth be anti-thetical and an enemy of the LORD Christ. So you are safe, Camac. ...err, safe that is from being the Anti-Christ, but perhaps not from everlasting judgment... Sinners needs salvation.

Anyway, I hear whitish people now saying that President Obama is the worst black President oor nation has ever had; and blackish people saying President Obama is the worst white President our nation has ever had. sad.gif One thing is for certain, this Congress needs to go. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 12:29 PM
englishmix;

As a sinner needing salvation I have lots of company I guess, if one considers all the Jews, Muslims, Buddhist, and Hindus both past and present. Suffice it to say that I believe in a Creator, I don't believe in God as portrayed by any religion nor in a heaven or hell or a judgement day, but seeing as the end of my mortal existence is not that far in the future I will soon be proven either right or wrong.


Camac.

Posted by: englishmix 07-Aug-2009, 01:24 PM
Sorry to hear that, Camac. Yes I do consider myself in that category of sinners and the imperfect. angel_not.gif

But I'm glad you thought my post worthy of response, and hopefully enjoyed it somewhat.

Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Aug-2009, 02:09 PM
What a shame. I can't open the attachment . . . wink.gif

But anyway -- here you all are talking about the Antichrist when the heading on the thread says "Anitchrist", which may be something completely different. smile.gif

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 02:11 PM
englishmix;

Nothing to be sorry about. I have 1 or 2 years left before I shuff off this mortal coil.
Believe me when I say that I fully intend to enjoy every last second of time. Hell who knows I might just fool them all and live for another 30 years or so. Anyway when the time comes they will have to break my right arm to close the coffin as it will be rendering the Trudeau Salute (one finger salute). My epitaph will be "Irreverent Old Fart Til the End". angel_not.gif evil.gif evil.gif rip.gif




Camac.

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 02:29 PM
I figure I have "comitted" so I will go where ever.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Aug-2009, 02:29 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 07-Aug-2009, 03:11 PM)

Believe me when I say that I fully intend to enjoy every last second of time. Hell who knows I might just fool them all and live for another 30 years or so. Anyway when the time comes they will have to break my right arm to close the coffin as it will be rendering the Trudeau Salute (one finger salute). My epitaph will be "Irreverent Old Fart Til the End". angel_not.gif evil.gif evil.gif rip.gif




Camac.

Here's to you: pepsi.gif

And don't mind if I join you: wine.gif

Your continued shockingly good health, you crusty old contrarian, from another of the same.

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 03:18 PM
stoirmeil;

Ain't being Crust Great. Heres tae ya Luv.

cheers.gif pepsi.gif wine.gif wine.gif

Camac

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 06:12 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 07-Aug-2009, 04:11 PM)
englishmix;

Nothing to be sorry about. I have 1 or 2 years left before I shuff off this mortal coil.
Believe me when I say that I fully intend to enjoy every last second of time. Hell who knows I might just fool them all and live for another 30 years or so. Anyway when the time comes they will have to break my right arm to close the coffin as it will be rendering the Trudeau Salute (one finger salute). My epitaph will be "Irreverent Old Fart Til the End". angel_not.gif evil.gif evil.gif rip.gif




Camac.

That is a great attitude for seniors. It makes some of the pains and discomforts easier to endure. I follow it of sorts myself.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Antwn 07-Aug-2009, 06:47 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 06-Aug-2009, 09:40 PM)
Check this out. Was sent in an email. Let the flaming begin. smile.gif


I think Obama is the incarnation of Bugs Bunny and the birthers have combined their immortal souls to co-occupy the form of Elmer Fudd. I mean as long as we're talking fictional characters here.....

Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Aug-2009, 06:59 PM
QUOTE (Antwn @ 07-Aug-2009, 07:47 PM)

I think Obama is the incarnation of Bugs Bunny and the birthers have combined their immortal souls to co-occupy the form of Elmer Fudd. I mean as long as we're talking fictional characters here.....

note.gif Kill da WAAAb-bit, kill da WAAAAb-bit . . . note.gif note.gif

Works for me.

Posted by: Antwn 07-Aug-2009, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 07-Aug-2009, 07:59 PM)
QUOTE (Antwn @ 07-Aug-2009, 07:47 PM)

I think Obama is the incarnation of Bugs Bunny and the birthers have combined their immortal souls to co-occupy the form of Elmer Fudd. I mean as long as we're talking fictional characters here.....

note.gif Kill da WAAAb-bit, kill da WAAAAb-bit . . . note.gif note.gif

Works for me.

Exactamundo! And in the background Tweetie saying "I tawt I taw a conspiwacy...I did! I did see a conspiwacy!"

Posted by: SCShamrock 08-Aug-2009, 01:49 PM
I'm just wondering why no one has taken this seriously. Baw-rawk u bawmah IS the Antichrist!!! (thanks too, btw Lynn for catching my typo. You're a champ!)
When will someone, preferably Catholic since Hollywood has done such a good job documenting them as the Cadillac of monster killers, do something about this. We need an exorcism, or a silver bullet, or a wooden stake, something! We cannot sit idly by while such evil is seated in high government. Off with his head!!! death.gif

Posted by: Camac 08-Aug-2009, 02:42 PM
SCShamrock;

You do realize that this is 21st Century North America not 17th Century Salem Massachuettes or Cromwellian England.



Camac

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 02:56 PM
I live near the seminary where they taught exorcism but have not for many years. It was a retirement home for priests and nuns and now is a Catholic retirement center.

There probably are no priests trained in that art in this country. Possibly in Europe or Africa there could be some. I doubt obama needs to have "demons" cast out. More likely, he is one.

I prefer to let him trip over his own ideas and work to remove the house and senate members running in the next election. That would slow things down.

Gridlock is GREAT!

No party with a "blank check" is honest.

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Antwn 08-Aug-2009, 04:23 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 08-Aug-2009, 02:49 PM)
I'm just wondering why no one has taken this seriously. Baw-rawk u bawmah IS the Antichrist!!! (thanks too, btw Lynn for catching my typo. You're a champ!)
When will someone, preferably Catholic since Hollywood has done such a good job documenting them as the Cadillac of monster killers, do something about this. We need an exorcism, or a silver bullet, or a wooden stake, something! We cannot sit idly by while such evil is seated in high government. Off with his head!!! death.gif

What's there to take seriously? Because when you take a Greek text, translate a few key words into Hebrew - not even Aramaic - the word for a hillock is Bahma and lightning is Barack and Jesus supposedly said that the antichrist would come like lightning? That's supposed to mean something? Like Camac reminds us, this is the 21st century. Oh, can't prove he wasn't born in the USA so now Jesus points to him as the antichrist 2,000 years ago. I know you can't stand the guy, but I see nothing about this to be taken seriously. At least the birther idea had an argument to it, this is just superstitious drivel with a dung heap of presuppositons to be roto-routered beforehand.

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 05:00 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 08-Aug-2009, 04:42 PM)
SCShamrock;

You do realize that this is 21st Century North America not 17th Century Salem Massachuettes or Cromwellian England.



Camac

A retired priest (friend of my wife's family) who lived at the retirement home told me the last sanctioned exorcisim in the US was done in 1951 though I do not remember the location. He was an interesting fellow to talk to.

I can not speak on the subject of vampires but there are those who today practice witch craft as a religion. I doubt they cast spells and such. Maybe someone can enlighten us on that subject.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 08-Aug-2009, 05:10 PM
Personally, I think that calling Obama the Antichrist is giving him way too much credit.

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (MacDonnchaidh @ 08-Aug-2009, 07:10 PM)
Personally, I think that calling Obama the Antichrist is giving him way too much credit.

I take him to be an educated man with little common sense. Too many people have obtained a degree and been lacking in that skill. Too bad it is not taught in the education system.

Those lacking in common sense gravitate to elected or bureaucratic positions and other government related employment as they can hide there.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: SCShamrock 08-Aug-2009, 05:47 PM
Ok, I can't stand it anymore! Do you guys fail to see my sarcasm and the way I'm poking fun at this ridiculous video, or are you being just as sarcastic and it is me who thinks YOU are serious....about ME being serious? I can barely type from laughing so hard! lol.gif

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 06:09 PM
I suspected such but you generated a serious discussion. One never knows where discourse will lead.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 08-Aug-2009, 06:21 PM
SCShamrock;

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the anti-christ named Damien or Sadam,or Adolph, or was it Temujin and I believe his mother was Rosemary. I know John Cassavetes was his father or was it Gregory Peck.



Camac

Posted by: Robert Phoenix 08-Aug-2009, 08:46 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 08-Aug-2009, 06:21 PM)
SCShamrock;

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the anti-christ named Damien or Sadam,or Adolph, or was it Temujin and I believe his mother was Rosemary. I know John Cassavetes was his father or was it Gregory Peck.



Camac

I think the damien name came from the those antichrist movies from the seventies-can't remember the name. Actually the antichrist was actually (according to revelation) the Roman emperor at the time Revelation was wriiten. The romans believe that the emporer was a god and could be reincarnated. The hebrew letters for Nero ceaser add up to 666 and theri was a legend that Nero would reappear in the eastafter his death. Another possible , gioven the reincarnation thing was the Domitian (the current emporor) was Nero reincarnated.
Although many still believe, included the Catholic church, that there will be a coming of an "ultimate" antichrist before the end. I can remember growing up everyone thought it was Ronald Reagan.

Funny stuff shamrock. I feel sorry for the people who actually hang on every word of this stuff. It will probably be Micheal jackson next when the "his death was fake" rumors start up. You know they will. he's actually living in Mexeco with Elvis, Tupac, and Biggie Smalls.

Posted by: Robert Phoenix 08-Aug-2009, 10:08 PM
Sadly, enough people are uninformed enough to take this video seriously that the Washington post had to get in on it.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2009/08/obama_is_not_the_antichrist.html?hpid=talkbox1

Oh and exorcisms are starting to get to be the next hot thing with us RC's. There have been quite a few books out as of late dealing with the subject and Rome wants a exorcist in every diocese. Two of the books making the rounds are "An Exorcist tells His Story" by Gabriel Armoth Rome's chief exorcist and "The Rite" by Matt Baglio I've only read Armoth book which was very well done and very insightful.
Ok serious side over-back to the madness

Posted by: lschillinger 08-Aug-2009, 11:40 PM
QUOTE (Robert Phoenix @ 09-Aug-2009, 12:08 AM)
Sadly, enough people are uninformed enough to take this video seriously that the Washington post had to get in on it.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/undergod/2009/08/obama_is_not_the_antichrist.html?hpid=talkbox1

Oh and exorcisms are starting to get to be the next hot thing with us RC's. There have been quite a few books out as of late dealing with the subject and Rome wants a exorcist in every diocese. Two of the books making the rounds are "An Exorcist tells His Story" by Gabriel Armoth Rome's chief exorcist and "The Rite" by Matt Baglio I've only read Armoth book which was very well done and very insightful.
Ok serious side over-back to the madness

Scary world we live in when the Washington Post has to publish something stating this is not true. Perhaps they'll pick another anitchrist out of the hat...who will it be next?!

Posted by: Sonee 09-Aug-2009, 12:25 AM
Ahh....how nice it is to come back after a long absence and find that things haven't changed that much.....'the story is the same, only the names have changed'....fantastic!

Let the establishment bashing begin....or continue....or increase....or maybe all three, take your pick!!!


For what it's worth my money's on the Bugs Bunny theory!!! Makes as much sense as anything else!

Posted by: SCShamrock 09-Aug-2009, 06:46 AM
Sonee!!!

Welcome back! It's good to see you pop in. You're right, the only thing that changes around here is everything, and everything stays just the way it is.

By the way, Barack really must be the antichrist.

Barack Hussei nObama
6 6 6

Hey, maybe they're on to something. ohmy.gif

Posted by: Camac 09-Aug-2009, 07:56 AM
Robert Phoenix;

If this is true about the Catholic Church and exorcism no wonder I walked away from it at 17. What a load of crap. Evil is in the minds of men not some forked tailed, pointy eared, horned spectre. Like the song says:

Evil grows in the dark
Where the sun, it never shines
Evil grows in cracks and folds
And lives in peoples minds."

Camac

Posted by: Patch 09-Aug-2009, 10:43 AM
I doubt exorcism ever removed a demon but the act of exorcism was a method of mind control. It may have removed evil from the minds of some. Removing spirits from a home would be similar, the procedure can change the mind sets of those residing there. I may be dismissing something out of hand that in fact exists but I have not had those experiences.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: stoirmeil 09-Aug-2009, 01:33 PM
What we need is a Hollywood feature comedy about a bunch of -- er, concerned citizens who get all riled up about an internet posting with not enough emoticons to mark it as genuinely satirical and attempt to concoct and then conduct a mixed impeachment-exorcism.

I've never tried writing a screen play, but hell, half the dialogue is right here in this thread.

Posted by: Camac 09-Aug-2009, 02:00 PM
stoirmeil;

Great idea. I know it caught me with my nikkers down. I think Jim Carrie should play the chief exorcist and Tom Cruise the possessed.


Camac angel_not.gif

Posted by: stoirmeil 09-Aug-2009, 03:21 PM
Plot needs a twist, though. Maybe something to do with that misunderstood satirical poster really being one of the paid establishment agitators that are the power behind well-meaning "grassroots" movements? But that's been done a lot . . . sad.gif

Posted by: Camac 09-Aug-2009, 03:47 PM
stoirmeil;

How be Satan is just misunderstood.


Camac

Posted by: stoirmeil 09-Aug-2009, 04:16 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 09-Aug-2009, 04:47 PM)
stoirmeil;

How be Satan is just misunderstood.


Camac

Well, THAT goes without saying -- his mother beat him something dreadful when he was just a wee imp. smile.gif

Posted by: Sonee 09-Aug-2009, 10:05 PM
Thanks for the welcome Shamrock...it's been a long, volatile summer and I have so missed everyone here! Now...

I may be completely off base here (honestly I wouldn't know since this particular phenomenon has never actually happened to me before! biggrin.gif ) but...

isn't it entirely possible that nobody actually believes in the very words of this 'satirical internet posting' and are instead commenting on the bigger picture it brings to mind? Maybe, instead of arguing over exorcism, or the anti-christ and whether or not Obama is said being (which none of us would probably know anyway until it was too late, that is supposed to be the point isn't it?) we should be discussing the irreparable damage being done to our country and our constitution by those so wrongfully put in charge.

Perhaps the reason people keep putting flaming pieces like this on the internet is because they have no other way to explain the atrocities being perpetrated on the United States and the American people. It's a case of no word, phrase or explitive in any language being able to describe or explain the level of incompetence calling themselves our government.

Power to the People....unless you live in the U.S where the government is slowly and stealthily sucking the power from the people and growing tyrannically and authoritatively stronger, all under the noses of the brainwashed masses.

Posted by: SCShamrock 09-Aug-2009, 10:13 PM
QUOTE (Sonee @ 09-Aug-2009, 11:05 PM)
Thanks for the welcome Shamrock...it's been a long, volatile summer and I have so missed everyone here! Now...

I may be completely off base here (honestly I wouldn't know since this particular phenomenon has never actually happened to me before! biggrin.gif ) but...

isn't it entirely possible that nobody actually believes in the very words of this 'satirical internet posting' and are instead commenting on the bigger picture it brings to mind? Maybe, instead of arguing over exorcism, or the anti-christ and whether or not Obama is said being (which none of us would probably know anyway until it was too late, that is supposed to be the point isn't it?) we should be discussing the irreparable damage being done to our country and our constitution by those so wrongfully put in charge.

Perhaps the reason people keep putting flaming pieces like this on the internet is because they have no other way to explain the atrocities being perpetrated on the United States and the American people. It's a case of no word, phrase or explitive in any language being able to describe or explain the level of incompetence calling themselves our government.

Power to the People....unless you live in the U.S where the government is slowly and stealthily sucking the power from the people and growing tyrannically and authoritatively stronger, all under the noses of the brainwashed masses.

thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Antwn 10-Aug-2009, 03:18 PM
QUOTE (Sonee @ 09-Aug-2009, 11:05 PM)
Perhaps the reason people keep putting flaming pieces like this on the internet is because they have no other way to explain the atrocities being perpetrated on the United States and the American people. It's a case of no word, phrase or explitive in any language being able to describe or explain the level of incompetence calling themselves our government.


If people have no other way to explain the "atrocities" being perpetrated on the US than by posting videos of that ilk, then they're stupid or there aren't any atrocities to begin with, only hyperbole. Pol Pot's killing field was an atrocity. Nothing the US has done since Obama was elected compares to that, and no amount of rhetorical acrimony will convert Obama policies into a comparable event. In fact, the use of obscure biblical references to claim Jesus prophesised Obama as the antichrist doesn't "explain" anything. A specious and ridiculous claim isn't an explanation. People here wonder where all the people went who unreasonably blamed Bush for everything. They didn't go anywhere, they've been converted to YOU. The one being blamed is all that's different.

Posted by: Dogshirt 10-Aug-2009, 07:03 PM
Plain and simple, the man doesn't have enough on the ball to be Satan!


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Posted by: SCShamrock 10-Aug-2009, 07:46 PM
QUOTE (Antwn @ 10-Aug-2009, 04:18 PM)
If people have no other way to explain the "atrocities" being perpetrated on the US than by posting videos of that ilk, then they're stupid or there aren't any atrocities to begin with, only hyperbole. Pol Pot's killing field was an atrocity. Nothing the US has done since Obama was elected compares to that, and no amount of rhetorical acrimony will convert Obama policies into a comparable event.

Government spending which results in generational debt done in the name of "saving" the US economy is an atrocity. It doesn't matter whatever other atrocity you compare it to, it still fits. And if you cannot see all the implications of such debt and how its residual effects cause all manners of harm, including physical, then you aren't thinking, or you otherwise refuse to confront reality.

Posted by: Sonee 11-Aug-2009, 12:53 AM
Exactly, Shamrock. I'm pretty sure that nobody in their right mind honestly believes that Barack Hussein Obama is really the antichrist but come on people....

He refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....
He tells foreign governments that we are a muslim nation.....
He is attempting to nationalize every major industry in the country so that he and his regime can control everything.....
He is trying to control what we see, hear, and even what we think.....

There is very little GOOD being done and very much BAD....oh sure, maybe a very bare FEW of his things are having a very bare MINIMUM of a good effect, (of course I can't actually point one out but I'm sure someone somewhere will make up, i mean come up with something) but in the long run EVERYTHING he is doing is bad. He is turning our country into at best a socialist country and at worst a totalitarian country. Look for the red curtain soon to be dropping all around our border....except for the one with Mexico....more freeloading uninsured/underinsured people taking hard working americans jobs and tax money to live high on the hog, not learn any English but expect ME to learn Spanish are very much welcome.

Just for the record, before any of you bleeding hearts start shouting 'racist' I have absolutely no problem with anyone crossing the border to come here and live....as long as it is in a legal manner, follows the laws put in place for the protection of AMERICA and AMERICANS and actually learns the language of the country in which they CHOOSE to live.

Posted by: Antwn 11-Aug-2009, 01:37 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 10-Aug-2009, 08:46 PM)
Government spending which results in generational debt done in the name of "saving" the US economy is an atrocity. It doesn't matter whatever other atrocity you compare it to, it still fits. And if you cannot see all the implications of such debt and how its residual effects cause all manners of harm, including physical, then you aren't thinking, or you otherwise refuse to confront reality.

Well, apparantly atrocities have been with us for a long time. They're neither an Obama invention nor permanent.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

I think its you who refuse to confront reality and are addicted to exaggeration and perhaps talk radio. The administration that got us into this mess was Bush. The mess fell into imminent disaster by greedy Wall St. Yet all the while you admonish people who critisized Bush for EVERYFRIGGINTHING while you in the same breath blame Obama for EVERYFRIGGINTHING. Congratulations on your accomplishment of no real insight, and conclusions drawn purely upon speculative paranoia. Fear not, you have a sympathetic sounding board here amongst those who will give you strokes and tell you how wise you are and how deplorable the situation is ad nauseum.

Posted by: Antwn 11-Aug-2009, 02:25 PM
QUOTE (Sonee @ 11-Aug-2009, 01:53 AM)
He refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....
He tells foreign governments that we are a muslim nation.....
He is attempting to nationalize every major industry in the country so that he and his regime can control everything.....
He is trying to control what we see, hear, and even what we think.....

There is very little GOOD being done and very much BAD....oh sure, maybe a very bare FEW of his things are having a very bare MINIMUM of a good effect, (of course I can't actually point one out but I'm sure someone somewhere will make up, i mean come up with something) but in the long run EVERYTHING he is doing is bad. He is turning our country into at best a socialist country and at worst a totalitarian country. Look for the red curtain soon to be dropping all around our border....except for the one with Mexico....more freeloading uninsured/underinsured people taking hard working americans jobs and tax money to live high on the hog, not learn any English but expect ME to learn Spanish are very much welcome.

Just for the record, before any of you bleeding hearts start shouting 'racist' I have absolutely no problem with anyone crossing the border to come here and live....as long as it is in a legal manner, follows the laws put in place for the protection of AMERICA and AMERICANS and actually learns the language of the country in which they CHOOSE to live.

He refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....
He tells foreign governments that we are a muslim nation.....
He is attempting to nationalize every major industry in the country so that he and his regime can control everything.....
He is trying to control what we see, hear, and even what we think.....


1. Refuses? You know the contents of his heart? You know the reason he didn't do so, if true? You know the circumstances? When and where was this? Or is it a figment of talk radio's imagination
2. Every industry? Not even a majority or even 1/2 of the industries - and within those industries not even a sizeable fraction of companies
3. How? Who has the capacity to control what you think?

There is very little GOOD being done and very much BAD....oh sure, maybe a very bare FEW of his things are having a very bare MINIMUM of a good effect, (of course I can't actually point one out but I'm sure someone somewhere will make up, i mean come up with something) but in the long run EVERYTHING he is doing is bad. He is turning our country into at best a socialist country and at worst a totalitarian country. Look for the red curtain soon to be dropping all around our border....except for the one with Mexico....more freeloading uninsured/underinsured people taking hard working americans jobs and tax money to live high on the hog, not learn any English but expect ME to learn Spanish are very much welcome.

This is a supreme example of the exaggeration to which I refer. Everything he's doing is bad, oh yeah there is a bare minimum of good effect but I'm sure that's inadvertent, yes? We're socialists now on the verge of totalitarianism. Nothing of what you're saying here means anything. You've merely given examples of your propensity to exaggerate and throw out sophisticated terminologies you can neither exemplify nor explain. Congratuations. Oh, and by the way - the immigration problem to which you refer has been going on for decades. Eleven million people don't come into a country, work and establish themselves overnight. But of course Obama is personally responsible for that during the 8 months of his presidency. I have been accused here of inability to think. Would someone point out to me where the thought is in Sonee's post? Clue: unsubstantiated claims are not examples of thought, nor are absolutist statements. "Everything he's doing is bad" is a fine example of lack of thought. That which you can't elucidate you must not understand.

Look for the red curtain soon to be dropping all around our border

Oh I get it! You're the reincarnation of Joe McCarthy!

Posted by: stoirmeil 11-Aug-2009, 06:01 PM
"He refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....
He tells foreign governments that we are a muslim nation.....
He is attempting to nationalize every major industry in the country so that he and his regime can control everything.....
He is trying to control what we see, hear, and even what we think....."


Where is all this coming from? I want to know too -- specifics. Otherwise, I'm afraid it all begins to sound like an attack of hysterics -- or else the fabricated accusations of one who is so convinced that this man must be removed from office that the end completely justifies the means (calumny, hyperbole, fearmongering, false witness, down and out lying). So just provide some examples, some instances, some reliable sources.

Posted by: Antwn 11-Aug-2009, 06:10 PM
He refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....
He tells foreign governments that we are a muslim nation.....
He is attempting to nationalize every major industry in the country so that he and his regime can control everything.....
He is trying to control what we see, hear, and even what we think.....


You know if you're really concerned about governmental encroachment into every facet of life, then you might try investigating real issues such as the the faux problem of climate change as a methodology to facilitate lifestyle micromanagement as well as globalization and the potential erosion of national sovereignty by justifying the establishment of superceding global authorities to overcome nation state dissent about consensus policies to be enacted in response to it. You might find issues far more compelling than whether or not Obama failed to place his hand over his heart during the nation anthem one day, or misunderstandings about a quote he made concerning Muslim populations in the US. Pending totalitarianism is not divined by peripheral issues and superficialities. Its potential rise is far more insidious, cunning and far reaching than the rather silly concerns which you've dwelled upon here.

Posted by: Antwn 11-Aug-2009, 06:14 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:01 PM)
Where is all this coming from? I want to know too -- specifics. Otherwise, I'm afraid it all begins to sound like an attack of hysterics -- or else the fabricated accusations of one who is so convinced that this man must be removed from office that the end completely justifies the means (calumny, hyperbole, fearmongering, false witness, down and out lying). So just provide some examples, some instances, some reliable sources.

Just Google them Stoirmeil, that's how I found some. A photo of one time Obama didn't put his hand over his heart (and several subsequent occasions where he did) and a misunderstood quote about the number of Muslims in the US can be found by Googling a few pertinent key words.

Posted by: stoirmeil 11-Aug-2009, 06:18 PM
QUOTE (Antwn @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:14 PM)
Just Google them Stoirmeil, that's how I found some. A photo of one time Obama didn't put his hand over his heart (and several subsequent occasions where he did) and a misunderstood quote about the number of Muslims in the US can be found by Googling a few pertinent key words.

No doubt you can find some of it that way. I would like the person making the accusations to tell me where she found (or how she derived) these things in the form they take here.

Posted by: stoirmeil 11-Aug-2009, 06:20 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 10-Aug-2009, 08:46 PM)
Government spending which results in generational debt done in the name of "saving" the US economy is an atrocity. It doesn't matter whatever other atrocity you compare it to, it still fits.

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass



Posted by: Antwn 11-Aug-2009, 06:21 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:18 PM)
No doubt you can find some of it that way. I would like the person making the accusations to tell me where she found (or how she derived) these things in the form they take here.

Fair enough.

Posted by: SCShamrock 11-Aug-2009, 06:41 PM
QUOTE (Antwn @ 11-Aug-2009, 02:37 PM)
Well, apparantly atrocities have been with us for a long time. They're neither an Obama invention nor permanent.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

I think its you who refuse to confront reality and are addicted to exaggeration and perhaps talk radio. The administration that got us into this mess was Bush. The mess fell into imminent disaster by greedy Wall St. Yet all the while you admonish people who critisized Bush for EVERYFRIGGINTHING while you in the same breath blame Obama for EVERYFRIGGINTHING. Congratulations on your accomplishment of no real insight, and conclusions drawn purely upon speculative paranoia. Fear not, you have a sympathetic sounding board here amongst those who will give you strokes and tell you how wise you are and how deplorable the situation is ad nauseum.

How very trite. You act as though I struck a nerve in you; that you may somehow feel targeted by an accusatory comment of "blaming bush." If the shoe fits, I suppose. I don't blame Obama for everything, only for taking a disgustingly horrid situation and making it exponentially worse in the name of "fixing" the problem. That's the part I turn your attention to, as you obviously cannot see it without help. For that I mourn the death of your conscious. But I see that Bush continues to be blamed, even after Onutso goes about the business of exacerbating every conceivable ill.

What's he supposed to do? You can't fix this kind of mess overnight!

I've heard this kind of banality till I'm sick of it. He campaigned on "Change." We're supposed to get change. The kind of change we're getting is not what you were hoping for Antwn, is it? Really, is it?

+The stimulus, if passed, was to assure the country would not get past 8% unemployment.
+AIG was too big to fail (never mind the fact that they oversee the retirement of countless bureaucrats).
+The Federal Reserve has been protected from any and all justifiable federal scrutiny.
+The auto industry got billions of our money, then were ripped to shreds.
+The most heinous bill in our nation's history has been proposed which, by all intents and purposes, will socialize our health care system beyond anything Karl Marx could have dreamed up, and paints the canvas of American citizens with ink made from Hitler's blood. Under such governmental control, politicians are effectively saying it is they who will decide what the code of health care will be; i.e., who deserves what care and when.
+The latest debacle, the nefarious Cash for Clunkers program, is yet another attempt to artificially stimulate a fledgling economy. It will end up costing us exponentially more than $4500/vehicle.
+Cap-and-trade legislation will not be the last nail in the coffin; it will be the dirt on our casket. Please, I beg you, refute that!

The list goes on and on, and in only a few short months. Shall I continue? I listened to the mantra for years: The failed policies of the Bush administration. Yes, I agree, Bush was not the greatest president in history. In my lifetime that honorable distinction goes to Ronald Reagan. However, any damage Bush did in his eight years as president pales in comparison to the propositions of the Obama administration. One thing I feel confident in: those who have so much faith in this sham of a president will rue the day he took office. Sadly, it will take ruin of epic proportion for everyone to wake up. That day is not far off. Until then……

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Posted by: SCShamrock 11-Aug-2009, 06:47 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:20 PM)
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Ok then, Princess Brainy Britches, how's about you educate all us po little idgets what the word atrocity means so's we can uses it in the prp, er, um, coorec, uh, um, right way. How's about that?

Robert McGrady, Through the Bottom of my Beer Glass

Posted by: stoirmeil 11-Aug-2009, 06:55 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:47 PM)
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:20 PM)
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Ok then, Princess Brainy Britches, how's about you educate all us po little idgets what the word atrocity means so's we can uses it in the prp, er, um, coorec, uh, um, right way. How's about that?

Robert McGrady, Through the Bottom of my Beer Glass

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Can you say "Princess Brainy Britches" ten times fast in a row without saying the word you really mean?

Posted by: Antwn 11-Aug-2009, 07:58 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:41 PM)
How very trite. You act as though I struck a nerve in you; that you may somehow feel targeted by an accusatory comment of "blaming bush." If the shoe fits, I suppose. I don't blame Obama for everything, only for taking a disgustingly horrid situation and making it exponentially worse in the name of "fixing" the problem. That's the part I turn your attention to, as you obviously cannot see it without help. For that I mourn the death of your conscious. But I see that Bush continues to be blamed, even after Onutso goes about the business of exacerbating every conceivable ill.

If you look at the history of my posts, I've been most judicious in my critisism of Bush, your admonition is misplaced. My nerves are just fine and rumors of the death of my "conscious" are greatly exaggerated, as have been quite a few things on this thread.

Okay, your opinion of Obama's methods of fixing problems is low (understatement of the post wink.gif ). Fair enough. But if we're talking trite (your word) I think your comparisons to Marx and Hitler more fit that bill than anything I've said. The slaughter of 8 million Jews is comparable to multigenerational indebetedness? That's too absurd to spend the energy to refute. As the link I posted shows, multigenerational indebtedness has a long history in 20th century America and is far from being an Obama invention. That doesn't excuse it, but it points out a precedent which predates Obama. Unfortunately, no one will know the results of an alternative policy. Another large deficit occurred during the Reagan years which did not abate until Clinton, when everyone was trying to decide what to do with the surplus.

How is it possible to draw such pessimistic conclusions about an inchoate health care bill? You can't get a straight answer about its details, and when the attempt is made, its drowned out by screaming maniacs and Sarah Palin clones who believe in death panels. You'd think the entire country had turned into Bill O'Reilly. I wouldn't call the firing of an auto industry CEO ripping the auto industry to shreds. You want the guy to stay after bringing a company to bankruptcy? Why?

I will agree with you wholeheartedly about cap and trade. As you know, I believe AGW is fiction, yet McCain supported it as well, so whoever had been elected would have devised similar legislation, maybe not Waxman-Markey but similar. It follows and appeases international pressures and will probably prove an equal disaster as it has been for the EU countries which have adopted it already. The smart ones have been China and India who have rejected the approach. AGW adherents have gained too much political momentum. All the rest of us can do is point to the data from dissenting scientists and hope someone pays attention.

Posted by: stevenpd 11-Aug-2009, 08:03 PM
QUOTE
Where is all this coming from?  I want to know too -- specifics.  Otherwise, I'm afraid it all begins to sound like an attack of hysterics -- or else the fabricated accusations of one who is so convinced that this man must be removed from office that the end completely justifies the means (calumny, hyperbole, fearmongering, false witness, down and out lying).  So just provide some examples, some instances, some reliable sources.


QUOTE
"He refuses to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.....



U. S Code

TITLE 36 - PATRIOTIC AND NATIONAL OBSERVANCES, CEREMONIES, AND ORGANIZATIONS

Subtitle I - Patriotic and National Observances and Ceremonies

Part A - Observances and Ceremonies

CHAPTER 3 - Patriotic and National Observances and Ceremonies

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§ 301. National anthem

      (a) Designation.— The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
      (cool.gif Conduct During Playing.— During a rendition of the national anthem—
            (1) when the flag is displayed—
                  (A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;


http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/anthem.asp

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He tells foreign governments that we are a muslim nation.....


New York Times: “And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world,” Mr. Obama said.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/obama-signals-themes-of-mideast-speech/

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He is attempting to nationalize every major industry in the country so that he and his regime can control everything.....


World Net Daily: "In a major speech focused on Obama titled "Off and running: Opportunity of a lifetime," CPUSA leader Sam Webb also alleges Obama's administration is considering turning education, childcare, and health care into "no profit zones;" rerouting investment capital from military infrastructure to "green economy" projects and public infrastructure; and waging a "full scale" assault on global warming."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88380

QUOTE
He is trying to control what we see, hear, and even what we think....."


Here is where I will interject a comment. Control over news and the stifling of thought can be so insidious that one would think that it is impossible to obtain anywhere outside socialist or communist countries but I think that there are numerous examples as evidenced by the current spat of town-hall meetings. I now point to the incident in St. Louis where there was actual violence that led to the arrest of six people.

When you have comments coming from POTUS and other members of Congress intended to discount any dissent, to actively limit who can attend and what comments can be asked smacks of a level of control on subjects that need and should be discussed. I do believe that the citizens of the United States have a fundamental right to be heard. Any activity that restricts such discussion is tantamount to infringement of constitutional rights.

Mother Jones: "Should President Obama have the power to shut down domestic Internet traffic during a state of emergency?

Senators John Rockefeller (D-W. Va.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) think so. On Wednesday they introduced a bill to establish the Office of the National Cybersecurity Advisor—an arm of the executive branch that would have vast power to monitor and control Internet traffic to protect against threats to critical cyber infrastructure. That broad power is rattling some civil libertarians.

The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 (PDF) gives the president the ability to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" and shut down or limit Internet traffic in any "critical" information network "in the interest of national security." The bill does not define a critical information network or a cybersecurity emergency. That definition would be left to the president."


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/04/should-obama-control-internet

Current events are reminiscent of "1984" and Big Brother. It gives me a chill just to think about it.

Posted by: Patch 11-Aug-2009, 11:41 PM
QUOTE (stevenpd @ 11-Aug-2009, 10:03 PM)


Current events are reminiscent of "1984" and Big Brother. It gives me a chill just to think about it.

Yes, we have arrived! It is amazing that any American can justify this.

Slàine,    

Patch    

Posted by: SCShamrock 12-Aug-2009, 05:21 AM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:55 PM)
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:47 PM)
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:20 PM)
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Ok then, Princess Brainy Britches, how's about you educate all us po little idgets what the word atrocity means so's we can uses it in the prp, er, um, coorec, uh, um, right way. How's about that?

Robert McGrady, Through the Bottom of my Beer Glass

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Can you say "Princess Brainy Britches" ten times fast in a row without saying the word you really mean?

Nope, can't do it. I tried, but I didn't even make it once. biggrin.gif

Posted by: SCShamrock 12-Aug-2009, 06:07 AM
Antwn,

It's just before time to go to work, so I have to be brief. The Marx reference I make is due to what I see and hear from Obama (I can actually think for myself, I don't need Fox or whatever):

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. We both know where that line comes from. Do you really think Obama has not espoused this concept and is not trying to apply it to the point of saturation in his policies?

As for my Hitler comment, we all know how Hitler felt about thinning the herd. In the case of H.R.3200, we could well get a smattering of that concept as well.

QUOTE
The assault against seniors began with the stimulus package in February. Slipped into the bill was substantial funding for comparative effectiveness research, which is generally code for limiting care based on the patient's age. Economists are familiar with the formula, where the cost of a treatment is divided by the number of years (called QALYs, or quality-adjusted life years) that the patient is likely to benefit. In Britain, the formula leads to denying treatments for older patients who have fewer years to benefit from care than younger patients.


When comparative effectiveness research appeared in the stimulus bill, Rep. Charles Boustany Jr., (R., La.) a heart surgeon, warned that it would lead to "denying seniors and the disabled lifesaving care." He and Sen. Jon Kyl (R., Ariz.) proposed amendments to no avail that would have barred the federal government from using the research to eliminate treatments for the elderly or deny care based on age.


http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/assaultonseniors.html

The "screaming maniacs and Sarah Palin clones" are not just crying wolf. They have valid reasons for their objections. Obama already pushed one bill on us via strongarm tactics. And while versions of the health care bill are available to us in one form or another, this in no way prevents a last minute vote in which we all will be forced to accept whatever the bureaucrats foist upon us. Many government health care proponents stupidly assert that "it works for Canada", but as Obama himself has stated, we will not get Canada's system. Looking solely at Obama's socialist views, we could easily get a Hitleresque health care bill to his desk which I have no doubt he would sign without hesitation.

Hey, I do have a compliment for Obama. I saw him do a p.s.a. about a week ago telling fathers to "be a dad." I liked that.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h3200ih.txt.pdf
This is a large file, 1017 pages. It loaded in about 30 secs. on my computer...8Mb download speed.




Posted by: Antwn 12-Aug-2009, 12:33 PM
stevenpd - I don't think anyone can dispute that Obama failed to place his hand over his heart during the national anthem once. There are photographs showing it. There are also photos showing him placing his hand over it on other occasions. The initial comment said he "refuses" to put his hand over his heart, as though it were an intentional snub. I can't find any comment by him which definitively proves any such intent. Remember, this was a reason given to assert some impending totalitarianism. So tell me what's the formula? How many neglected hands over hearts equals how much totalitarianism?

Lets take the Muslim comment in context shall we:

“What I want to do is to create a better dialogue so that the Muslim world understands more effectively how the United States, but also how the West thinks about many of these difficult issues like terrorism, like democracy, to discuss the framework for what’s happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and our outreach to Iran, and also how we view the prospects for peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians,” Mr. Obama said.

The president said the United States and other parts of the Western world “have to educate ourselves more effectively on Islam.”

“And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world,” Mr. Obama said. “And so there’s got to be a better dialogue and a better understanding between the two peoples.”


He's quantifying the relative size of Muslim populations in the US and in predominately Muslim countries. That's an entirely different statement than saying the US is a Muslim nation. Why? Because its not a solely Muslim nation or even predominately one. Come now, lets give the guy some credit for an IQ and take comments within the context they're made without superimpositions of fictionalized nefarious intent.

I agree with your point that people should be heard in the health care debate and the facts of the bill should be revealed to them as it progresses rather than foisted upon them without regard for their opinions, particularly if manditory participation is part of the bill. Yet in fairness, how many of you really avidly peruse the congressional record and keep track of pending legislation? Are not avenues available to write/contact your representatives about any issue in their legislative purview? Haven't there always been?

The cybersecurity bill sounds scary yes. But when you consider how vast is the reach of internet, our dependence on it and how far reaching and disabling an attack would be in the realms of finanace, defense, communication and utility infrastructures, which would probably be considered "critical networks", then what is the government to do in an extreme circumstance? Before anyone says "create better security against attacks, with defensive software" I would think that's part of the mix wouldn't you? I wouldn't mind such a post being established - providing it has sufficient congressional and judicial oversight! Give me an alternative. What defensive means would you establish to defend against an attack which would effectively disable aspects of the internet critical to national defense, banking, telecommunications etc.? Wouldn't you want the ability to shut down those networks as an option? If you're worried about such activity being at the sole discretion of the president, remember the decision to launch nuclear weapons is in his discretion? Establishment of martial law..... What - You want assurances that you'd have the ability to email your loved ones once the missles fly?

How much do you trust your government? This seems to be the central question for all of us. By the way, "not at all" is a disingenuous answer. There are countless ways government is trusted in every facet of life by all of us. I have no argument against oversight, no argument with the people's constitutional right to address or protest government policies should they have a greivance and agree that govenment has an obligation to respond, but lets get real. Egregious totalitarian panic attacks and hyperbole serve as distractions from maintaining these rights effectively. With due respect to the emotions involved, at some point intelligent discussion has to commence. That said, I recognize the potential that town hall shouting matches may serve as prelude to greater discussion, if for no other reason than to stop them, then again they may only create backlash.

Posted by: Patch 12-Aug-2009, 12:52 PM
The level of distrust is climbing toward 80% and to get there D's must share the distrust.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Antwn 12-Aug-2009, 12:56 PM
One more thing about health care. According to ABC news, the deficit is now a record $1.27 trillion. It would be smart to postpone the entire legislation for financial reasons alone. That would make everyone happy (except Obama) temporarily. In the meantime, it would give Congress time to really hash out a workable plan, and respond to the people's concerns.

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 12-Aug-2009, 05:09 PM
QUOTE (Antwn @ 12-Aug-2009, 01:56 PM)
One more thing about health care. According to ABC news, the deficit is now a record $1.27 trillion. It would be smart to postpone the entire legislation for financial reasons alone. That would make everyone happy (except Obama) temporarily. In the meantime, it would give Congress time to really hash out a workable plan, and respond to the people's concerns.

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Posted by: stevenpd 12-Aug-2009, 05:19 PM
Because we are diverting the discussion from the original post I have started another topic to continue.

http://www.celticradio.net/php/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=25&t=13740

Posted by: stoirmeil 13-Aug-2009, 04:45 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 12-Aug-2009, 06:21 AM)
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:55 PM)
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:47 PM)
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2009, 07:20 PM)
`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.'

Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Ok then, Princess Brainy Britches, how's about you educate all us po little idgets what the word atrocity means so's we can uses it in the prp, er, um, coorec, uh, um, right way. How's about that?

Robert McGrady, Through the Bottom of my Beer Glass

smile.gif

Can you say "Princess Brainy Britches" ten times fast in a row without saying the word you really mean?

Nope, can't do it. I tried, but I didn't even make it once. biggrin.gif

I didn't think you could. smile.gif
Perfectly normal, though. You are no more in control of your sub-aware mental processing than anyone else, although you are unusually generous in letting it hang out on display.

Posted by: SCShamrock 13-Aug-2009, 05:59 PM
Sub-aware, schmub-aware. When you pound on someone long enough, they draw their conclusions. But I never took you as someone who was trying to be liked. tongue.gif

Posted by: stoirmeil 15-Aug-2009, 07:13 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 13-Aug-2009, 06:59 PM)
Sub-aware, schmub-aware. When you pound on someone long enough, they draw their conclusions. But I never took you as someone who was trying to be liked. tongue.gif

If you don't want to be analyzed, don't be hanging your id-bits out on the line to dry. As to name calling and similar crassitudes: I have been called a bitch and an angel in the same five minutes in my life -- not by the same person of course -- and I'm well used to both.

And if you call that a pounding, you may be in need of a little toughening. Start by reading your own posts into a mirror for thirty seconds every morning.

Posted by: Antwn 15-Aug-2009, 07:17 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 15-Aug-2009, 08:13 PM)
And if you call that a pounding, you may be in need of a little toughening. Start by reading your own posts into a mirror for thirty seconds every morning.

Stoirmeil - beer_mug.gif

Posted by: SCShamrock 15-Aug-2009, 08:39 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 15-Aug-2009, 08:13 PM)

And if you call that a pounding, you may be in need of a little toughening. Start by reading your own posts into a mirror for thirty seconds every morning.

I'll try that and get back with you.

Posted by: Camac 16-Aug-2009, 07:35 AM
SCShamrock;

I've been reading these post about Obama and Satan and The Anti-Christ and I have a question.

CAN YOU YANKS DO ANYTHING WITHOUT DRAGGING YOUR SO CALLED "GOD" INTO IT? In some respects you are as bad as the Muslims. Inshalah, God Wills it. If you really believe in this the 21st Century that Satan and the Anti-Christ exist then I suggest you are stuck in a time warp somewhere between the 10th and 17th Centuries. Obama is a man that's all and his chances of being Satan or the Anti-Christ are the same as me being the re-incarnation of Buddah.



Camac. angel_not.gif





Posted by: SCShamrock 16-Aug-2009, 08:51 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 16-Aug-2009, 08:35 AM)
SCShamrock;

I've been reading these post about Obama and Satan and The Anti-Christ and I have a question.

CAN YOU YANKS DO ANYTHING WITHOUT DRAGGING YOUR SO CALLED "GOD" INTO IT? In some respects you are as bad as the Muslims. Inshalah, God Wills it. If you really believe in this the 21st Century that Satan and the Anti-Christ exist then I suggest you are stuck in a time warp somewhere between the 10th and 17th Centuries. Obama is a man that's all and his chances of being Satan or the Anti-Christ are the same as me being the re-incarnation of Buddah.



Camac. angel_not.gif

I doubt you read it all if you think I seriously believe Obama is the antichrist.

Posted by: Camac 16-Aug-2009, 09:32 AM
SCShamrock;

Whether you believe Obama is Satan or the Anti-Christ is not the point. The point is that the person who dug through his dog-eared highlighted copy of the bible searching for obscure quotes to conform to his ideology and then posting it on U-Tube is not alone. As an outsider looking in I some times get the impression that individuals like him form a very great part of your society which seems to be unable to wipe their backsides without envoking god. God is not an American Citizen though I am sure a great many Americans believe so.

Now, I realize that your posting was done in a scarcastic vein but it seems that some of the comments are getting a tad nasty and tempers are getting ragged. Decorum please alway Decorum. Any way what do I know, I'm just a dumbass Canuck whose brain got frostbit.



Camac

Posted by: Patch 16-Aug-2009, 10:55 AM
We tolerate most anything here under the first amendment, at least for now. Until they cross the line and commit an illegal act, they say whatever they believe.

We had a young man here who traveled to various county fairs and festivals handing out pamphlets explaining that if one ate human brains you would gain in intelligence and have immortality. That was legal. However after a year his uncle died and a viewing was held at a small town just south of me. During the lunch time when no one was there he came in with a bowling bag and small tree pruning saw. When they found what he had done the police immediately went to his house and retrieved him, the head, bowling bag and saw. Then he had crossed the line! He is and will remain in a mental facility for the rest of his life.

For several years there were jokes about it going around.

The only person who can not be threatened in the area where I live is the president. For all others, no law is broken till someone ACTS on the threat. Some states could be a little different.

Slàinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Antwn 16-Aug-2009, 01:39 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 16-Aug-2009, 10:32 AM)
Whether you believe Obama is Satan or the Anti-Christ is not the point. The point is that the person who dug through his dog-eared highlighted copy of the bible searching for obscure quotes to conform to his ideology and then posting it on U-Tube is not alone. As an outsider looking in I some times get the impression that individuals like him form a very great part of your society which seems to be unable to wipe their backsides without envoking god. God is not an American Citizen though I am sure a great many Americans believe so.


Camac - beer_mug.gif

Thanks for making me laugh. There are many of us here who are as befuddled by this tendency as you are, and we're looking at it from the inside.

Posted by: Camac 16-Aug-2009, 02:30 PM
Antwn;

I am gratified that I made you laugh. If yoy insiders are befuddled then this dumb Canauck with the frost bitten brain doesn't fell alone.



Camac

PS ; Frostbitten Brain syndrome comes from trying to have a conversation with a Polar Bear.

Posted by: SCShamrock 17-Aug-2009, 04:41 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 16-Aug-2009, 10:32 AM)
SCShamrock;

Whether you believe Obama is Satan or the Anti-Christ is not the point. The point is that the person who dug through his dog-eared highlighted copy of the bible searching for obscure quotes to conform to his ideology and then posting it on U-Tube is not alone. As an outsider looking in I some times get the impression that individuals like him form a very great part of your society which seems to be unable to wipe their backsides without envoking god. God is not an American Citizen though I am sure a great many Americans believe so.

Now, I realize that your posting was done in a scarcastic vein but it seems that some of the comments are getting a tad nasty and tempers are getting ragged. Decorum please alway Decorum. Any way what do I know, I'm just a dumbass Canuck whose brain got frostbit.



Camac

I don't think you're a dumbass anything. The post was meant in jest...and admittedly to stir the ire of some of my celtic friends (fiends?) that frequent the political forum as I do. But I knew that it would generate some dissatisfaction of sorts. It seems as though some here look for my name in a posting so they can get in a little fencing practice between serious moments. And that's ok too. In the end, I think we all care about each other. I know I do.

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Posted by: Camac 17-Aug-2009, 06:41 AM
SCShamrock;

I have to admitt that when you first posted the satan thing it took me off guard and irked. Took awhile to realize it was in jest but then when the brain gets frostbit it tends to slow down. For my part I have to admit that you Yanks ain't to bad and there are quiet a few I would call friend.

I would like to get more involved in the Politcs discussions but frankly I do not understand your system that well and what little knowledge I have on the subject tends to baffle me. Our system just seems so much simpler. Our P.M is a Conservative the Government is Conservative. If he's a Liberal the Government is Liberal. As to our Senate. Well for one thing it's appointed not elected and nobody pays them any mind most of the time unless there is some sort of scandal or they try to hold up a Bill. The only Senator I could name is Mike Duffy and he use to be a News Commentator.Under our system the power is in the House of Commons and not even Her Majesty the Queen can over rule it. Our system even differs from the English Parliament in that we do not have a House of Lords. It's against the law for a Canadian to hold a Peerage. Those who do renounced their Citizenship.



Camac.








Posted by: coastman 20-Aug-2009, 03:12 PM
I came across this today. I thought it was a very interesting read.



Dr. Krauthammer is on Fox News. He is an M.D. and he is paralyzed from the
neck down. Be forewarned on what is happening. A friend went to hear Charles
Krauthammer. He listened with 25 others in closed room. What he says here,
is NOT 2nd-hand, but 1st. You would do well to read and pass this along to
EVERYBODY that loves his country. This is VERY serious for the direction of
our country. The ramifications are staggering for us and our children.

Last Monday was a profound evening, hearing Dr. Charles Krauthammer speak to
the Center for the American Experiment. He is brilliant intellectual, seasoned and articulate. He is forthright and careful in his analysis, and never resorts to emotions or personal insults. He is NOT a fear monger nor an extremist in his comments and views. He is a fiscal conservative, and has a Pulitzer Prize for writing. He is a frequent contributor to Fox News and writes weekly for the Washington Post. The entire room was held spellbound during his talk. I have shared this with many of you and several have asked me to summarize his comments, as we are living in uncharted waters
economically and internationally.

Even 2 Dems at my table agreed with everything he said! If you feel like forwarding this to those who are open minded and have not drunk the Kool-Aid, feel free. Summary of his comments:

1. Mr. Obama is a very intellectual, charming individual. He is not to be underestimated. He is a cool customer who doesn't show his emotions. It's very hard to know what's behind the mask. Taking down the Clinton dynasty from a political neophyte was an amazing accomplishment. The Clintons still do not understand what hit them. Obama was in the perfect place at the perfect time.

2. Obama has political skills comparable to Reagan and Clinton. He has a way of making you think he's on your side, agreeing with your position, while doing the opposite. Pay no attention to what he SAYS; rather, watch what he DOES!

3. Obama has a ruthless quest for power. He did not come to Washington to
make something out of himself, but rather to change everything, including
dismantling capitalism. He can't be straightforward on his ambitions, as the
public would not go along. He has a heavy hand, and wants to level the playing field with income redistribution and punishment to the achievers of society. He would like to model the USA to Great Britain or Canada .

4. His three main goals are to control ENERGY, PUBLIC EDUCATION, AND
NATIONAL HEALTH CARE by the Federal government. He doesn't care about the
auto or financial services industries, but got them as an early bonus. The cap and trade will add costs to everything and stifle growth. Paying for FREE college education is his goal. Most scary is his healthcare program, because if you make it FREE and add 46,000,000 people to a Medicare-type single-payer system, the costs will go through the roof. The only way to control costs is with massive RATIONING of services, like in Canada. God forbid.

5. He has surrounded himself with mostly far-left academic types. No one around him has ever even run a candy store. But they are going to try and run the auto, financial, banking and other industries. This obviously can't work in the long run. Obama is not a socialist; rather he's a far-left secular progressive bent on nothing short of revolution. He ran as a moderate, but will govern from the hard left. Again, watch what he does,
not what he says.

6. Obama doesn't really see himself as President of the United States , but more as a ruler over the world. He sees himself above it all, trying to orchestrate and coordinate various countries and their agendas. He sees moral equivalency in all cultures. His apology tour in Germany and England was a prime example of how he sees America, as an imperialist nation that has been arrogant, rather than a great noble nation that has at times made errors. This is the first President ever who has chastised our allies and
appeased our enemies!

7. He is now handing out goodies. He hopes that the bill (and pain) will not come due until after he is re-elected in 2012. He would like to blame all problems on Bush from the past, and hopefully his successor in the future. He has a huge ego, and Mr. Krauthammer believes he is a narcissist.

8. Republicans are in the wilderness for a while, but will emerge strong. We're pining for another Reagan, but there will never be another like him. Krauthammer believes Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty and Bobby Jindahl (except for his terrible speech in February) are the future of the party. Newt Gingrich is brilliant, but has baggage. Sarah Palin is sincere and intelligent, but needs to really be seriously boning up on facts and info if
she is to be a serious candidate in the future. We need to return to the party of lower taxes, smaller government, personal responsibility, strong national defense, and state's rights.

9. The current level of spending is irresponsible and outrageous. We are spending trillions that we don't have. This could lead to hyper-inflation, depression or worse. No country has ever spent themselves into prosperity.
The media is giving Obama, Reid and Pelosi a pass because they love their
agenda. But eventually the bill will come due and people will realize the huge bail outs didn't work, nor will the stimulus package.
These were trillion-dollar payoffs to Obama's allies, unions and the Congress to placate the left, so he can get support for #4 above.

10. The election was over in mid-September when Lehman brothers failed, fear
and panic swept in, we had an unpopular President, and the war was grinding on indefinitely without a clear outcome. The people are in pain, and the mantra of change caused people to act emotionally. Any Dem would have won this election; it was surprising it was as close as it was.

11. In 2012, if the unemployment rate is over 10%, Republicans will be swept
back into power. If it's under 8%, the Dems continue to roll. If it's between 8-10%, it will be a dogfight. It will all be about the economy. I hope this gets you really thinking about what's happening in Washington and Congress. There is a left-wing revolution going on, according to Krauthammer, and he encourages us to keep the faith and join the loyal
resistance. The work will be hard, but we're right on most issues and can reclaim our country, before it's far too late.

Do yourself a long term favor, send this to all who will listen to an intelligent assessment of the big picture. All our futures and children's futures depend on our good understanding of what is really going on in DC!!!! And our action pursuant to that understanding! !! It really IS up to each of us to take individual action!!! Start with educating your friends and neighbors!!!

Posted by: stevenpd 20-Aug-2009, 05:05 PM
I'd take this with a grain of salt.

QUOTE
Statement from Dr. Charles Krauthammer
about his American Experiment Annual Dinner Remarks


A number of people have asked about the availability of an audio recording or transcript of Charles Krauthammer’s brilliant remarks at American Experiment’s 2009 Annual Dinner on June 1.  We’re sorry, but Dr. Krauthammer has informed us that he does not disseminate comments made at private events.  He also has advised us that a summary of his speech on the Internet is “neither accurate nor authoritative.”  His full statement follows.  The Center regrets any disappointment or confusion.

This account is neither accurate nor authoritative. My views on Obama are well known. I’ve explained them in a series of five columns. (See below.) 

This email is somebody putting his own ideological stamp and spin on my views.

One giveaway of the superimposition of someone else's views on mine is the rather amusing use of phrases that I never use. To take just a few examples randomly: "God forbid," "far left secular progressive," “this is the first president ever who has chastised our allies and appeased our enemies!” “no country had ever spent themselves into prosperity,” and, the real doozy,"states rights.”

My views are clearly spelled out in that series of columns and subsequent writings. Anyone who wants to know my views should consult those and not this email.

Charles Krauthammer


http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/krauthammer.asp

http://www.americanexperiment.org/events/2009/2009-06-26.php

You can find links to his five articles on the American Experiment page.

Posted by: Patch 21-Aug-2009, 03:47 PM
I have never met obama and doubt I ever will. I know a state D committeeman though who did meet obama twice. once during the campaign, and again at an Inaugural ball. He related to me that obama has the personality of a snake. Very cold and calculating.

That, for whatever it is worth.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: stoirmeil 23-Aug-2009, 03:38 PM
QUOTE (Patch @ 21-Aug-2009, 04:47 PM)
I have never met obama and doubt I ever will. I know a state D committeeman though who did meet obama twice. once during the campaign, and again at an Inaugural ball. He related to me that obama has the personality of a snake. Very cold and calculating.

That, for whatever it is worth.

Slàinte,

Patch

It's pretty dreadful what it's worth. Once again you have on tap some nameless anecdotal expert as your authority, and God forbid you should dirty your own hands with a direct opinion -- and of course you are bumping up the validity scale by claiming he's a D -- to spread a message you can't or won't substantiate, but only insinuate. Do you get paid for this or something? Name some damned names when you do this -- you aren't some kind of professional that has to protect his sources to keep exclusive access. At least, I don't think you are. It isn't even whether it's true that Obama has a calculating personality; frankly I think he'd better, if he's going to survive in a pit full of vipers. It's the snakish way you zing these things in and so innocently let them fall where they may, "for whatever it's worth," that brings your whole position down.

Posted by: Antwn 23-Aug-2009, 04:09 PM
I once knew a guy who knew a guy who had a dog who tried to hump Obama's leg once in Hawaii just like dogs do to anyone when they have the desire, so Obama must be a regular guy, but its hard to say since the first guy was a libertarian and the second was an independent. Still don't know how the dog was registered. But the guy also had a mongoose who left Obama alone - so he's probably not a snake.

So there it is - for what its worth.

Stoirmeil - beer_mug.gif

Posted by: Patch 23-Aug-2009, 06:53 PM
QUOTE (Antwn @ 23-Aug-2009, 06:09 PM)
I once knew a guy who knew a guy who had a dog who tried to hump Obama's leg once in Hawaii just like dogs do to anyone when they have the desire, so Obama must be a regular guy, but its hard to say since the first guy was a libertarian and the second was an independent. Still don't know how the dog was registered. But the guy also had a mongoose who left Obama alone - so he's probably not a snake.

So there it is - for what its worth.

Stoirmeil - beer_mug.gif

I do not know obama nor did I support him so of course I would not get tickets to any inauguration balls. The person who told me this was disappointed in the man and he did not say, "you can use my name." Because of that, I WILL NOT! Even if I would divulge his name you still would not believe it.

Your statement was enjoyable though you seem to have missed the actual statement. It was not that obama "was" a snake, "He had the personality of a snake. Very cold and calculating." That is a big difference.

Here again we appear to have some confusion, though my statement was clear.

Slàinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: stoirmeil 23-Aug-2009, 08:04 PM
QUOTE (Patch @ 23-Aug-2009, 07:53 PM)
Your statement was enjoyable though you seem to have missed the actual statement.  It was not that obama "was" a snake, "He had the personality of a snake.  Very cold and calculating."  That is a big difference.

Here again we appear to have some confusion, though my statement was clear.


No real confusion. Using the word "snake" about a known human is an abbreviated way of saying "personality like a snake." Like "pig," or "rat." You're working too hard.

You're also working awfully hard to defend the fact that you are spreading around a bit of low-level hearsay with big claims about where it's coming from. Even if the attribution is true, it's just name-dropping without the name. There is no particular virtue in "protecting" the source for a dreary little insult, but you needn't take on like someone is trying to wring it out of you. Someone is not.

Posted by: SCShamrock 24-Aug-2009, 04:35 AM
I've never met Obama either. Don't want to. I think he is a self-serving, lying, and loathsome character; a wretched sonofabitch with zero appreciation for the things which made our country great and will do anything to make a name for himself. Snake? Nahhh, snakes just want to eat, crap, and lay in the sun.

Posted by: Patch 24-Aug-2009, 06:01 AM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 24-Aug-2009, 06:35 AM)
I've never met Obama either. Don't want to. I think he is a self-serving, lying, and loathsome character; a wretched sonofabitch with zero appreciation for the things which made our country great and will do anything to make a name for himself. Snake? Nahhh, snakes just want to eat, crap, and lay in the sun.

Actually, I have two large pythons that I am keeping for my grandsons. I kink of like them. However, they are "cold and calculating" and deficient in personality. The rats who have met them , now all deceased, would probably not even give them that.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 24-Aug-2009, 07:21 AM
Your new President has been in office 8 months and it seems gentlemen that you are taking exteme pleasure in vilifying and denigrating him. Perhaps you would like to return to the good old days of "Georgie W." or better still Nixon. He is just a man not a Messiah and mistakes will be made (hopefully not to serious). You must remember also that all politicians are self seving or they wouldn't be where they are. They will lie to get elected, lie to stay elected and when tossed out of office make a fortune on lecture tours and memoirs. This is a Politician. So far as I can see from the outside Obama is no better or no worse than most.


Camac.

PS. I just had a thought. I have the perfect candidate for you. Names Harper and he's our P.M.

Posted by: Patch 24-Aug-2009, 11:20 AM
I suspect that in a year we will have gridlock again and that will be good!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 24-Aug-2009, 11:55 AM
QUOTE (Patch @ 24-Aug-2009, 12:20 PM)
I suspect that in a year we will have gridlock again and that will be good!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Judging by the Democrats inability to agree on much of anything, we may already be approaching gridlock.

Posted by: stoirmeil 24-Aug-2009, 02:44 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 24-Aug-2009, 05:35 AM)
I've never met Obama either. Don't want to. I think he is a self-serving, lying, and loathsome character; a wretched sonofabitch with zero appreciation for the things which made our country great and will do anything to make a name for himself. Snake? Nahhh, snakes just want to eat, crap, and lay in the sun.

That would be "lie in the sun," not "lay." smile.gif

You, at least, have the backbone not to disguise the source of your opinions. For a man who lives or dies by the First Amendment, though, you sure do use it like bathroom tissue sometimes.


Posted by: SCShamrock 24-Aug-2009, 10:15 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 24-Aug-2009, 03:44 PM)
That would be "lie in the sun," not "lay."  smile.gif

You, at least, have the backbone not to disguise the source of your opinions.  For a man who lives or dies by the First Amendment, though, you sure do use it like bathroom tissue sometimes.

Oh, I've once again offended your delicate senses. Obama must be defended even in the face of personal opinion. I get it. We all do.

How do you know I meant "lie", do tell?

While we're still catching each and every perceivable grammatical and/or spelling error, here are a few of yours.

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Probably not a single righteous motivation among any of the parties, true. But it's not the kind of thing these very big corps will go back on once they've repudiated the guy, I don't think, and they can afford to refuse sponsorship for a single objectionable show with a jackass host. I doubt they will lose the account for the whole station and programming. The corps need the stations for exposure, but the stations also need the corps for funding.


That would be The corps needs, not need. Additionally, I would prefer the word amongst to among here, but that one doesn’t’ matter much.

QUOTE
It's pretty dreadful what it's worth. Once again you have on tap some nameless anecdotal expert as your authority, and God forbid you should dirty your own hands with a direct opinion -- and of course you are bumping up the validity scale by claiming he's a D -- to spread a message you can't or won't substantiate, but only insinuate. Do you get paid for this or something? Name some damned names when you do this -- you aren't some kind of professional that has to protect his sources to keep exclusive access. At least, I don't think you are. It isn't even whether it's true that Obama has a calculating personality; frankly I think he'd better, if he's going to survive in a pit full of vipers. It's the snakish way you zing these things in and so innocently let them fall where they may, "for whatever it's worth," that brings your whole position down.


It's pretty dreadful what it's worth. This looks like a sentence fragment to me. Who knows what you were attempting to convey? Perhaps it was just another pearl of brilliance like your "agree as gentlemen" comment which I was just far too unintelligent to understand.

QUOTE
True enough - and Lieberman is one that D's have (perhaps inadvisedly) courted and begun to depend on in this issue. It isn't so watertight on Lieberman's account in any case, since the moderate D's themselves are hardly in agreement. But this is an odd statement in context -- are you merely prognosticating again in your optimistic way, or are you enjoying the fact? Sounds like gloating.


Inadvisedly is not a word. Were you trying to say unadvisedly, or inadvisably?

QUOTE
The Deutoronomic extension of the commandments is full of possible ways to alienate oneself from one's rights, if there are any rights to begin with. In fact the complex necessities of the federalist plan needed a great deal more than "something so simple" as the 10 commandments.


Deutoronomic is not a word. You obviously were attempting to make up a word here. For future reference, you might want to stick with the original word. Try using a reference. The one in this case would be the Christian Bible. The correct spelling for that book is Deuteronomy, so your made-up word would be Deuteronomic. Not only does that look more intelligent (erudite, if you prefer), but it also shows you at least looked up a word you aren't familiar with.

This is just a touch of the problems with your grammar and spelling, taken from less than one week of posting. Is this what you have wanted to do with me, a little tit-for-tat? It must be since you have made exposing your perception of my errors your personal project. There is not one person who never makes mistakes posting to a forum. I'm sure my history is riddled with errors, as I rarely use a spell checker. So just let me know. If not, perhaps you could get a job as an editor for some publication. God knows I find errors in print all the time.

Here, I have a smiley face for you too. smile.gif

Posted by: Patch 25-Aug-2009, 04:50 AM
Nice piece of research. You have exposed again one of the big problems in education today. thumbs_up.gif

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 25-Aug-2009, 07:29 AM
SCShamrock;

Let me throw in my two cents on this. With all the mistakes in spelling and grammar that you both have made English Teachers up here would have a fielday marking your papers. ONLY IN CANADA laugh.gif angel_not.gif

Posted by: Patch 25-Aug-2009, 03:08 PM
I was not going to bring that up, but well said! I do not profess to be a writer, but I think I do an acceptable job. For the most part "nearly" all understand what I am saying.

Slàinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: stoirmeil 25-Aug-2009, 10:05 PM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 24-Aug-2009, 11:15 PM)
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 24-Aug-2009, 03:44 PM)
That would be "lie in the sun," not "lay."  smile.gif

You, at least, have the backbone not to disguise the source of your opinions.  For a man who lives or dies by the First Amendment, though, you sure do use it like bathroom tissue sometimes.

Oh, I've once again offended your delicate senses. Obama must be defended even in the face of personal opinion. I get it. We all do.

How do you know I meant "lie", do tell?

While we're still catching each and every perceivable grammatical and/or spelling error, here are a few of yours.



That would be The corps needs, not need. Additionally, I would prefer the word amongst to among here, but that one doesn’t’ matter much.



It's pretty dreadful what it's worth. This looks like a sentence fragment to me. Who knows what you were attempting to convey? Perhaps it was just another pearl of brilliance like your "agree as gentlemen" comment which I was just far too unintelligent to understand.



Inadvisedly is not a word. Were you trying to say unadvisedly, or inadvisably?



Deutoronomic is not a word. You obviously were attempting to make up a word here. For future reference, you might want to stick with the original word. Try using a reference. The one in this case would be the Christian Bible. The correct spelling for that book is Deuteronomy, so your made-up word would be Deuteronomic. Not only does that look more intelligent (erudite, if you prefer), but it also shows you at least looked up a word you aren't familiar with.

This is just a touch of the problems with your grammar and spelling, taken from less than one week of posting. Is this what you have wanted to do with me, a little tit-for-tat? It must be since you have made exposing your perception of my errors your personal project. There is not one person who never makes mistakes posting to a forum. I'm sure my history is riddled with errors, as I rarely use a spell checker. So just let me know. If not, perhaps you could get a job as an editor for some publication. God knows I find errors in print all the time.

Here, I have a smiley face for you too. smile.gif

Deuteronomic certainly IS a word:
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/159728/Deuteronomic-Code
so there was no need for me to coin it. I have moreover been familiar with the word in adjective form, and the book of Deuteronomy itself, since before you made your appearance on the planet. I did spell it wrong, you are correct in that. (The spell check function on this board says "deuteronomic," which is correct, is spelled wrong, but it also informs me of this by using the word "incorrected," which is not a word, so trust this or any other spell check at your peril.)

"Inadvisedly" is a word. It is an acceptable substitute for "unadvisedly," much as "unalienable" is a legitimate substitute for "inalienable;" Jefferson and Franklin argued about that one, if I remember, so I guess it's OK for you to question it.
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/inadvisedly?qsrc=2446

"It's pretty dreadful what it's worth" is a complete sentence. If you turn it around, you will see "What it's worth is pretty dreadful;" "What it's worth" is a noun phrase acting as subject; "is" can't take an object, so it simply joins the subject to a descriptive predicate phrase. It is perfectly permissible to invert the sentence order for emphasis.

I was using the word "corps" as an shorthand for "corporations," and that is too informal for the post and evidently unclear enough to lead you, the reader, astray. I fully admit it, although the context supports "corporations" if you read it with any care. The word "corps" with the singular meaning of a group acting as a body, like a military unit, which WOULD be singular, makes no sense at all in the context. You're just wrong, and grasping at straws.

"Amongst" is considered a somewhat affected usage in the States, albeit correct. I don't use it. You go ahead.

To "lay" something (other than an egg, maybe) means to place it on a reasonably flat surface in a horizontal position, as when one lays a sheet of paper on a table. Snakes have no hands, so it would be hard for them to perform that manoeuver; in any case, your context indicates that after eating and crapping, your snake wishes only to recline in the sunlight and be still. That means "lie," period. This might be helpful:
http://web.ku.edu/~edit/lie.html

I do edit professionally and I have been editing three projects all summer long, and making a bit of money at it. But thanks for the suggestion -- I can always use more.

If my senses were delicate, I would not read your commentary at all. But since you seem to go out of your way to be crude and inflammatory in posts like that one to shock or annoy and then enjoy imagining the reaction, I have my own ways of returning small shot, and you are sticking your head above the parapet beautifully.
bye1.gif

Posted by: stevenpd 25-Aug-2009, 10:43 PM
I think that this discussion has strayed from the original subject. It has appeared to have degenerated into a series of English grammar lessons and nothing more.

Shall we get back to the subject?

Posted by: stoirmeil 25-Aug-2009, 10:57 PM
I'm willing to do so, sure. The discussion has been graced with gratuitously coarse and not realistically supportable commentary about the President's possible demonic nature and definite base and vile character as its foundation; in my opinion the thread was a pointless practical joke that misfired from its inception, even in its simple inflammatory intent. So -- by all means, let us go back to the rewarding political discussion about whether the President is really Satan, or whether it's a grand hoot that there are people dumb enough to think so.

For the record, it is not Obama I am defending; I had doubts about his election in the first place, although I doubt he has the reptilian character deficits being claimed here. I am defending, if we call it a defense, the opportunity for discussion on these boards that actually covers the complex issues we're up against without sinking into this kind of abusive rhetoric. That can be found all over the web, for those with a taste for it. As vigourous and heated as good discussion gets, it is nevertheless destroyed when it is brought down to that level, and simply becomes a vicious mutual disgruntlement venue where nothing can be weighed or considered, and no validating sources need ever be brought. I resist that, Steven, and forgive me, but I feel I have to.

Posted by: SCShamrock 26-Aug-2009, 06:40 AM
Lynn, The point is that you have been doing this with me for weeks, which, just as Patch point out, distracts from whatever topic is being discussed. I find it rather amusing since it not necessary as I am quite capable of conveying a thought without your brilliant translation and editing skills. But if you insist on singling out my grammar and spelling, I'll be glad to join you, and I may be wrong sometimes just like you will be. Deuteronomic would be the correct spelling, you had Deutoronomic. Indadvisedly is still not a word. Phat is not a word either, but will one day be in the dictionary, oddly enough, it will eventually not be listed as slang which will give comfort to those young street kids who use it. Oh wait, it is there. HA! As for corps, try using a period at the end of your abbreviations. With your style, one could easily infer you meant corps, and making sense is never a necessary component of posts here as you have so often pointed out. Amongst...you are in the United States. Get over it. So let me ask one more thing. Do you insist on continuing to single me out over grammar and spelling? I don't particularly enjoy it. There are many times, as you well know, that posts here could be picked apart. I see no reason to do that when the poster's intentions are clear. You obviously don't either, unless your only intention is to get a rise out of the person, in which case I'm the proverbial moth to the flame. Proverbial, from the book Proverbs. Some might insist on capitalization (capitalisation for the Britophile (another made up word)), but I'm happy with the lower-case spelling. Hey, if you do insist on grading posts, start a thread just for that. You can peruse the entire forum and be a cut-and-paste maniac. Call it "Your Papers Have Been Graded." HMMM?

Posted by: Camac 26-Aug-2009, 07:00 AM
Methinks enough Broadsides have been fired and both should withdraw to neutral territory and cool off. Not all of us are masters of English and I for one have noticed that my use of the language has deteriorated over the years. Anyway to you Yanks I spell funny and my grammar is a little different. Vive l'Difference'.
It would be a real bore if we were all the same. Argue if we must but with decorum and manners. One does not have to get nasty to get ones point across nor pick ones use of the language to peices. In the case of the word Deuteronomic, never heard of it but I got the point in that it refers to the Book of Deuteronomy. Thats what counts.


Camac

Posted by: stoirmeil 26-Aug-2009, 07:09 AM
QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 26-Aug-2009, 07:40 AM)
Deuteronomic would be the correct spelling, you had Deutoronomic. Indadvisedly is still not a word.

You're backpeddling -- this is what you said in your last post but one:

"The correct spelling for that book is Deuteronomy, so your made-up word would be Deuteronomic." It is not a made-up word when it is spelled correctly, and I have showed you one reference among many to demonstrate that fact; I had the correct word in mind, which I have used and read many times, and I spelled it wrong, but that's not what you decided to call me on. Check it out -- it might be even more interesting or useful to you than it is to me.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=deuteronomic&hl=en&btnG=Search
Unless you are indirectly admitting that you are wrong about it? I don't need you to.

As far as "indadvisedly", which you have just typed now -- you're right, it is not a word in English. "Inadvisedly", however, is.

Do you ever look over anything before you hit "Reply"? And I mean really for tone: I actually don't give a damn about what you do to English. It has survived much worse, on the web and off it. It's not your opinion on the issues, either, but the ragefully ugly and abusive delivery of your opinion that honestly makes me want to irritate you, for its own sake and even more for what your delivery does to the forum and the site.

But picking at form in an annoying way when it is tone that appalls me is wrongheaded on my part, and I regret it. I won't indulge in it any more. You don't like it? Fine. I won't do it. That's all you had to say.

Camac -- Your diplomatic overtures are noted and appreciated, but it may be best to stay well offshore and out of range. This really has nothing to do with English, you know, and I'm annoyed at myself for losing control and indulging in petty twitting of an angry man. You are very right -- it's not worth a single volley.

Posted by: Camac 26-Aug-2009, 07:47 AM
stoirmeil; I am well offshore to windward and course set for the Horn.


Camac.


Posted by: Antwn 26-Aug-2009, 01:08 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 25-Aug-2009, 11:57 PM)
As vigourous and heated as good discussion gets, it is nevertheless destroyed when it is brought down to that level, and simply becomes a vicious mutual disgruntlement venue where nothing can be weighed or considered, and no validating sources need ever be brought. I resist that, Steven, and forgive me, but I feel I have to.

I agree. The forum is only as good as we make it. I don't see a reason to apologize for wanting to raise the qualitative bar Stoirmeil.

Posted by: stevenpd 26-Aug-2009, 01:17 PM
And people wonder why I don't get more involved with topics.

Posted by: Antwn 26-Aug-2009, 01:45 PM
QUOTE (stevenpd @ 26-Aug-2009, 02:17 PM)
And people wonder why I don't get more involved with topics.

Your posts are wonderful contributions Steven. Thank you for them.

Posted by: stoirmeil 26-Aug-2009, 02:10 PM
I am wondering where your topic about the sweeping legislation regarding children's safety and manufactured products went. That has potential to create a lot of difficulty in some quarters, and is worth exploring.

Posted by: SCShamrock 26-Aug-2009, 06:24 PM
Well I think the jury has come to a verdict. Obama is not Satan, the Antichrist, or the Anitchrist either.

Lynn, you said: It's not your opinion on the issues, either, but the ragefully ugly and abusive delivery of your opinion that honestly makes me want to irritate you,. Sometimes yes, I do read what I've written and often I will either rewrite it or toss it altogether. Other times I look and see that ragefully ugly and abusive delivery and am completely happy with it. I'm sure you've noticed over the years that I am not one given to worrying much about how people view my tone when I feel passionately about something. For instance, I gave you my opinion on why I see Obama as deserving of the Stalinist and Hitleresque claims I've made against him. I felt I did quite well delivering my thoughts, and did so without deviating from the facts. That did not garner a reply. My opinion of Obama a few posts back, that was my honest opinion. Did I use a few too many adjectives to stay above the "ragefully ugly" line? Must be so. But that is my concise opinion, and I am entitled to it. So for now, and until such time as Obama ceases his relentless attack on our sovereignty, liberty, and our overall economy, I cannot nor will I consider tempering my tone when trying to expose Obama, the far left in politics, the associates of the left-wing politicians in the private sector, or the propaganda arm of the far left, the mainstream media, to appease anyone's sensitive nature. Even if they call me a whiner. Even if I write a post under the influence and completely obliterate the language. What I will do, as I honestly have tried to do (maybe I'm a failure at that) is to focus on the issue and the argument, and not the person with the opinion. I probably have a way to go in that endeavor, but I have gotten better over the years. In the meantime, if I'm slapped I will slap back…even if I can only hit someone in the ankles.


Posted by: RedWeasel 26-Aug-2009, 06:38 PM
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Posted by: Patch 26-Aug-2009, 06:41 PM
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Posted by: Robert Phoenix 28-Aug-2009, 04:55 PM
QUOTE (Robert Phoenix @ 08-Aug-2009, 08:46 PM)
QUOTE (Camac @ 08-Aug-2009, 06:21 PM)
SCShamrock;

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the anti-christ named Damien or Sadam,or Adolph, or was it Temujin and I believe his mother was Rosemary. I know John Cassavetes was his father or was it Gregory Peck.



Camac

I think the damien name came from the those antichrist movies from the seventies-can't remember the name. Actually the antichrist was actually (according to revelation) the Roman emperor at the time Revelation was wriiten. The romans believe that the emporer was a god and could be reincarnated. The hebrew letters for Nero ceaser add up to 666 and theri was a legend that Nero would reappear in the eastafter his death. Another possible , gioven the reincarnation thing was the Domitian (the current emporor) was Nero reincarnated.
Although many still believe, included the Catholic church, that there will be a coming of an "ultimate" antichrist before the end. I can remember growing up everyone thought it was Ronald Reagan.

Funny stuff shamrock. I feel sorry for the people who actually hang on every word of this stuff. It will probably be Micheal jackson next when the "his death was fake" rumors start up. You know they will. he's actually living in Mexeco with Elvis, Tupac, and Biggie Smalls.

So does this make me a prophet now. Looks like its MJ who next up in becoming the antichrist since he has come back form the dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOCO3qsQMTg&feature=topvideos

Posted by: MacEoghainn 28-Aug-2009, 05:44 PM
I heard MJ, Elvis, and Jim Morrison are going to have a concert at Madison Square Gardens in December!

Posted by: stevenpd 28-Aug-2009, 05:59 PM
And Bruce Lee is going to provide security.

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Posted by: Robert Phoenix 28-Aug-2009, 11:10 PM
That's fine as long as the opening act isn't Andy kaufman.

Posted by: SCShamrock 29-Aug-2009, 09:04 AM
Jimmy Hoffa was selected to oversee logistics.

Posted by: stevenpd 29-Aug-2009, 08:47 PM
Will Kurt Cobain be there?

Posted by: Dogshirt 29-Aug-2009, 09:19 PM
I heard that Janis was opening.


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Posted by: stevenpd 29-Aug-2009, 11:17 PM
And Jimi is playing back-up.

Posted by: Robert Phoenix 30-Aug-2009, 11:38 AM
Kurt will be there. He's in charge of the people on downers. sad.gif unsure.gif

Posted by: stevenpd 30-Aug-2009, 08:20 PM
And Marley for the Rastas

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