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Posted: 11-Feb-2004, 10:46 AM
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Here are a few sites I stumbled acoss to get some discussions going! wink.gif

http://www.hyw.com/books/history/Celts__B.htm

http://netmedia.co.uk/history/week-5/


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I have to say I don't see what most people see as Celts as exactly that. In my view the Celts are those that spread all over Europe in Bronze and Iron Age, erecting huts on poles in the "Bodensee", leaving a massive collection of swords in La Tène (Switzerland) and erecting headstones in the south of France.
What most people consider as Celts in my view already splits up into Scots, Irish, Welsh etc etc. smile.gif


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Posted: 14-Feb-2004, 01:44 PM
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I can see that Mirri. I know alot of folks think that the Celts were *only* in the Ilses. And that plainly isn't true.
A Celt isn't where they are found, but the way tools are crafted, gods are worshipped, society structure, and so on. Many things are considered when classifying a culture.
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what I think is interesting is the similarities in early Viking and early Celtic Art. I've been to archeological sites and museums of both cultures and the similarities never fail to amaze me. I know the ancient celts were trading alot but I dunno.. this particular thing is quite wondrous to me.
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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 10:12 AM
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Interesting that you bring up the art.
I remember reading a few years ago that knotwork and some other things that we think of as idiomatically celtic, were gotten from other cultures as the celts moved west.

I also remember hearing that some theories have a group of the celts moving north into the Scandanavia/Finland area early in pre-history. I'm not sure how true this is...but they are finding weird little pockets of people who have epic poetry and artwork that is unlike their neighbors.

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Posted: 15-Feb-2004, 10:40 AM
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yes.. i have been thinking about that but so far I didn't really find anything to read about that matter. But I do know about the fact that the ancient celts were vivid traders
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The similarities in art *is* amazing! MIrri, I believe you and I had discussed this ages ago... cool.gif
But if you really sit down and think about it and look at the vast amount of similarities.... does make you wonder if these two cultures crossed paths before the viking invasions in York, the Orkney's, and in Dublin.....
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Posted: 16-Feb-2004, 12:21 PM
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probably =)
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Well...if the Vikings and the Celts had crossed paths...and you mention it happening in Dublin....then that couldn't be the first instance.

If you translate Dubh-lin...it means "black pool."
This was the Viking name for the city which was just later translated into Gaelic.

For a good time, read through an English/Irish dictionary and look for norse words. (ie...cat) The Irish and Vikings traded a LOT of language back and forth and the Irish have kept a lot of it.

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Not only the Irish. In Northern England is a region which still speaks a norse dialect which sounds alot like a dialect spoken in northern Germany where it borders Denmark.

I think those two cultures must have came into contact much much earlier because of the Celts situated in Southern Germany while the Angles and Saxons come from Northern Germany and that directly borders scandinavia with Denmark and Sweden very close by.
All those tribes might have been situated in other regions and kept up the trade. The viking Raids and Settlements of the British Isles are way later, I mean I am talking of Iron Age art.
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