He Changed His Life......., He was changing them in 1979 too.

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Let the law be enforced.

I agree. I'm glad he had a change of heart in prison. Good for him! That means he can be remembered for something good in addition to the bad. But that doesn't undo what he did. According to one report I heard, he made fun of one of his victims while he lay dying, begging for help. Such cold heartedness just shocks me. Yes let it be said that before he died he did some good with the time he had left. But let him pay for what he did.

Since there is another thread started devoted to "Tookie" I will repeat this message there.

The execution has been carried out. A murderer has received just punishment. Any family members of the slain at his hands can now rest knowing that their fallen loved ones are not gone while their killer lives. That said....it is my firmly held belief that if Tookie did indeed acknowledged the God of creation, and did indeed accept the saving message of Jesus' death on the cross, that the same blood shed by Jesus to save me has also save Tookie. That now, although he has suffered death at the hands of man, his debt is paid in full, and his soul will forever remain with his God and his savior. As the apostle Paul said "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."

I don't see how his death has done anything. I don't see how him being executed is better than him spending the rest of his life behind bars doing community service. Right now, he's doing no one any good. Alive, he was helping to keep kids from following in his footsteps, perhaps saving lives.

His victims remain dead either way. How is his death better justice than a life in service to the community?

Stanley Tookie Williams, the co-founder of the Crips gang, was executed by lethal injection.

Williams' case set off intense debates over the death penalty and redemption, with celebrities, activists and anti-death penalty advocates saying his initiatives and anti-gang message from behind bars had proven his life was worth saving.

The execution went ahead as scheduled after the U.S. Supreme Court late Monday rejected a last-ditch appeal. The high court's ruling followed California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's decision to deny clemency for Williams.

Before Williams went to the execution chamber, the stepmother of one of the men Williams was convicted of killing said she felt "justice is going to be done tonight." "I had faith that when Governor Arnold looked at the facts of the case that he was going to decide not to do clemency," said Lora Owens, whose stepson, Albert Owens, was shot to death in a convenience store holdup. "I don't like it being said it's a political decision. It was an evidence decision."

Williams was sentenced to death in 1981 in the killing of Owens, a 26-year-old Los Angeles convenience store clerk, in February 1979. The clerk was shot twice in the back with a 12-gauge shotgun while face-down on the floor. Less than two weeks later Williams killed an immigrant Chinese couple and their 41-year-old daughter while stealing less than $100 in cash from their motel. Part of the daughter's head was blown off in the shooting.


There are a couple of issues here:

Issue 1: Tookie was innocent
Resolution 1: Tookie was convicted by a jury of his peers as well as an impartial judge. Several courts and politicians over the course of 24 years have re-looked at the evidence and concluded that the jury was right. Tookie was not innocent.

Issue 2: What good is executing him? Why not just leave him in prison forever?
Resolution 2: The prisons are owned by the taxpayer. The walls and floors, the food and medicine, the heat and cooling, the gymnasiums and libraries, are all paid for by the taxpayer. Under the often-repeated fact that it costs the taxpayer (me) $35,000 per year to house an inmate, Tookie has cost me $840,000 already. He was 51 years old yesterday, and we could assume that he would live to the ripe old age of 75. Those additional years would cost me another $840,000. That would come to a total expenditure of $1,680,000 out of my pocket. Therefore I, as the one that will continue to pay to house and feed a mass murderer, demand that he be removed from the prison system and that I no longer have to pay for his upkeep. That is my right as a taxpayer.

Issue 3: Execution is murder. There should be no executions of any prisoner no matter what the conviction is.
Resolution 3: I, somewhat, agree with this statement. If I were President I would sign an Executive Order opening a new prison for anyone convicted of a capital crime. This prison would be on a deserted island in the south Pacific. There would be military-style barracks for the prisoners. They would be on their own as to food and healthcare. A naval vessel and an AWACS aircraft would be on constant patrol of the area with orders to shoot anything coming off the island. Prisoners would be dropped off via helicopter under gunship protection. Once released they would be responsible for their own lives on the island. But until this happens there is only the current option of execution. These people have shown to all people that they think they have the right to remove the life of innocent people. That, and that alone, proves that they cannot continue to exist, or be tolerated, in a civilized society. I have 1,680,000 reasons, as mentioned in Issue 2, why these people cannot simply stay in the prison system until they die of natural causes.

Issue 4: Tookie was redeemed. He is no longer a killer.
Resolution 4: If Albert Owens, Yen-I Yang, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, and Yu-Chin Yang Lin agree that Tookie has been redeemed, and that he is forgiven of their mass murder, then I will agree with that statement. Until that happens then I will continue to believe that Tookie should be held responsible for his actions 24 years ago.

Issue 5: But Mike Farrell, Jesse Jackson, Snoop Dogg, and Jamie Foxx all say Tookie should not be killed.
Resolution 5: So what? Shamalama said he should be killed, along with the U.S. Supreme Court, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, prosecutor Robert Martin, the San Francisco-based 9th Circuit Court, and a jury of his peers, all far more knowledgable of the facts than a few Hollywood activists.

What has his execution done? It has given the families of his victims peace of mind. It has prevented him from ever having the opportunity to escape and repeat the crimes. It has shown others who might consider commiting a similar crime that there are harsh and *terminal* punishments for those who commit them. As Sham said, it has relieved the taxpayers from the burden of having to support someone who has shown no respect for human life.

Yes, his victims remain dead. But now there families can have the peace of mind of knowing that the person who so coldly and maliciously executed them is no longer breathing.

Writing a few books for kids is a just repayment for ending human lives? I think not.

Sounds to me like his death accomplished quite a bit.

AHHH. Don't post those pictures here. Sorry, we don't want any dead picture photographs in the public forum.

Thanks!