the mother was called and couldnt come to school.... not that she would have done alot of good...... this child learned this behavior.
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| Posted by: Ceciliastar1 26-Apr-2005, 05:25 PM |
| Recently a lot of children who have been causing a lot of problems at school and whatnot have had the cops called on them and then handcuffed and arrested. What is your opinion. I think that it is going to far personally. I do not think that a five year old is so dangerous that the cops need to be called and that child be restrained by handcuffs. I come from a family of 12 and we can be pretty bad sometimes but never to that point, now if the child was a teenager or there abouts then that's a different question. But I have yet to know a five year old to be able to physically harm an adult, grant it that adult is capable of defense (aka no disabilities, etc.) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7640921/ |
| Posted by: Avonlea22 26-Apr-2005, 05:28 PM |
| Wow...that was right here in my town (ok, city), and I didn't even hear about it. Maybe I should read the paper a bit more. |
| Posted by: stevenpd 26-Apr-2005, 06:52 PM | ||
What is'nt told (unless you read the captions of the photos) is the tape is 30 minutes long. On the tape, the girl is lterally tearing the office apart. At one point she even jumps onto a table and still takes a swing at the vice principal. The tape also clearly shows that the vice principal attempts to restrain the child by simply giving her a hug. Reasonble attempts to calm the girl down were made before the police were called. In this day of political correctness, what is the vice principal supposed to do? Allow the child to continue with her tirade and possibly hurting herself? It's bad enough that any school personnel gets sued at the drop of a hat for just trying to maintain some order, but what are they supposed to do in this situation? And all this because the little girl didn't get to play the jelly bean game. |
| Posted by: MKOC19 26-Apr-2005, 08:47 PM |
| I am also one from a large family, 5th out of 6 and the youngest has Down Syndrome. So, needless to say my siblings and I caused quite a ruckus at times, but we knew when we had gone too far and even though was fought a lot while we were younger we still looked out for each other and even more so now. To me, it seems that the problem with the little 5 year-old girl is that there might have been a lack of discipline at home. One of the reasons that my siblings and I turned out so well is that we were disciplined and it was explained to us why we were being disciplined and why we were in trouble. What seemed to lack with the little girl was a lack of respect and obedience. Teachers have to be careful because of accusations that their students might make ie abuse, harassment, or racism. In some cases it is true, but in others it could not be farther from the truth. My mom and my older sister are teachers and they both have been accused of either racism or abuse and if you knew my family you would know that could not be further from the truth. My sister substitute taught at a public grade school and one of her students said to her, "You are making me do this because I am black." And my sister's response was, "Yes just like I am making him do this because he is mexican and her do it because she is white. I treat each one of you the same and everyone has to listen and do the work and if you honestly think that I am being racist I will let you go down to the principle and tell him because that is your right." The boy did not say anything more about it. As for my mom, a boy tried to say that she bruised him when she had not even touched him. The boy had been having problems with the law and was in and out of juvie. There was also some suspicion that he was being abused at home by his step-father. In the end, the boy was just trying to stir up more trouble and he was very successful. I understand why the teachers called the police in because any way that they tried to restrain her could have hurt her and hurt them. Even when the teacher tries to protect herself by just putting her hand out to stop the little girl from hitting her could be seen as an assault on the girl just because she might have touched the little girl. The school was trying to protect themselves and its teachers from a lawsuit which is still probably coming. The police had the same issue when they got there. They needed to protect themselves as well as the little girl. They put the handcuffs on her than put her in the back of the car so that could not hurt anyone or herself. Either the police and the school get a lawsuit for hurting the girl by restraining her physically and actually hurt the little girl and get themselves hurt or still get a lawsuit for putting her in cuffs and the back of the police car while they protect the girl, themselves and other students. It really is a toss up. In almost any other case I would say that the child should not be handcuffed, but it was almost unavoidable. It really is a hard call. |
| Posted by: VetteGal 27-Apr-2005, 01:42 AM |
| I am really tired of all this bleeding heart garbage about how to discipline a child. Time-outs don't work, most of us grew up with getting spanked and punished for doing something wrong. Enough of all this you can't spank or hit of they act up. All this started because some idiots later in life decided that all their trouble were because their parents hit them as children. Granted, some children were probably abused when young, but it has now gone too far in that if a parent even threatens to spank a child, they have to worry about DCFS showing up. I really with the government would stay the heck out of my life and I'm sure plenty of other's feel the same. It really is 1984. And I also say to heck with the saying 'Spare the rod, spoil the child', I do believe they learn more from the well deserved spanking or slap on the hand if it is neccessary to get the point across. And most of these problems we have today with out children are from the liberals who had to put their nose where it doesn't belong! |
| Posted by: oldraven 27-Apr-2005, 07:47 AM |
| I saw the video, or at least part of it, on the news. That kid needed a cuff up side the head. She was beating on those cops. Would you take that? No. If someone my age tried that they'd get a bullet in the cheast. That kid should be taken from her mother. She obviously doesn't have the skills to raise a well adjusted child. She's suing the cops, when she should be spanking her child. But no one wants to admit they're a screw up. |
| Posted by: Swanny 27-Apr-2005, 09:15 AM |
| Handcuffing isn't done lightly, it's a matter of both officer and perpetrator safety. What other options do the cops have? The only other options the cops have are pepper spray, taser or deadly force. Every department I know of has a hard and fast rule. Anyone placed in custody for any reason is cuffed. Period!!!! This is a frivolous suit that will likely be tossed out during the earliest of hearings. Swanny |
| Posted by: kidclaymore 27-Apr-2005, 10:21 AM |
| As one who is in law enforcement, I see this in an different light. First of all I haven't heard of this incident but I can tell you that from an officers point, that they will do whatever is necessary to get situation under control. But when it comes to a child, (say a five year old) there not going to pepper spray or taser them, but they will restrain them as gently as possible. There is one thing you need to know, a child or juvenal doesn't stop and think before they act, they just act and if not restrained someone will get hurt. This child needs some help now before its to late, if the parents or if the state doesn't step in and get her some help she will be in trouble the rest of her life. |
| Posted by: dundee 27-Apr-2005, 10:36 AM |
| me thinks the lil girlie..... will think twice before she gets out of line again.... the mother was called and couldnt come to school.... not that she would have done alot of good...... this child learned this behavior. |
| Posted by: Irish Stepper 27-Apr-2005, 01:25 PM | ||
Swanny, I truly hope you're right. But with today's sue happy society and judges willing to accommodate (sp?) all levels of stupidity from the public and place the blame on authorities, I'm not so sure it will be tossed out. You wouldn't think a woman would get rich for dumping her own cup of coffee in her lap because it was hot, either!  |
| Posted by: Annabelle 27-Apr-2005, 03:08 PM |
First problem is they should never have let them out of the closets!!!  |
| Posted by: Monarchs Own 27-Apr-2005, 07:46 PM |
| I also have to agree with putting the child in handcuffs. How far can these kids go today. If we showed disrespect in school - the parents were notfied and you got in major trouble at home. Besides getting grounded for weeks you got a good whipping / spanking and that was that. And I have to agree that spanking a child is sometimes neccessary. When I see mothers these days and their kids do with them what they want, I can only think to myself that I am happy that my son got at the right time a smack on the behind before he fell into that behavior and he never did it again. I am sure that there are plenty of abused children out there but like we used to say in Germany - light smacks on the back of the head - helps you think and gives the butt a nice rosy color! When the need to protect the child is there and handcuffing is the only way I say go for it. |
| Posted by: Rindy1202 27-Apr-2005, 08:19 PM |
| I agree with handcuffs. It is a safety issue also. I just don't know how we are going to get a grip on the kids out there it is scary.. Not a lot matters to these kids who don't know the value of a life, nor do they want to learn.. Scary, very scary your dealing a lot with the drugs and not the child... Slainte  |
| Posted by: urian 27-Apr-2005, 09:04 PM | ||
AMEN! I think that its a situantional thing. The question can't' be answered with a simple yes or no. If its just a child acting up like some do in school. then no. But, if it is like the florida girl or some child (when I say child I am refering to anyone in school even the 15-17 year olds) fighting or being destructive then yes, handcuff them and beat the parents. What more kids(and parents) need these days is a nice ,swift swat in the rear |
| Posted by: Rindy1202 27-Apr-2005, 09:40 PM | ||
What parents huh? Most parents are too busy with their own lives..CRAZY world out there.. Slainte |
| Posted by: urian 27-Apr-2005, 09:51 PM | ||||
You should never be too busy to be involved in your children's lives. I learned this the hard way. I spent too many years of Logan's young life climbing the corporate ladder when I should have been playing with him. Too many nights working when I should have been tucking him in. Too many weekends at work instead of the zoo. Too many people have kids these days and seem to rely on everyone else to raise them. Grandparents, teachers, clergy are all expected to raise kids when it is the parent's duty to do so. They brought them into this world and it is their obligation to insure that their offspring are raised, taught the proper morals and ehtics, nutured and disciplined. It is too often these days that parents say" I just dont have time." Thats a load of BS. Put down the remote, your work, the PC, the bottle, whatever and pick up your kids or a glove or a book..something. Be a friggin parent. It doesnt take a village to raise a child..it takes PARENTS! Thats whats wrong (ok..one of many things) with this world..too many people not taking responsibility for their failure as parents or even bothering with their kids to begin with. IF this (or any) generation fails it is on the heads of the parents who neglected them or half-assed raised them. Forget scheduling your child's day from waking til sleep. forget "play dates" and 18 hours of scheduled events just to get them out of your hair. Forget what you've read from childless "experts" about how to raise a kid. Just Love, teach , show by action and example, and (when needed) discipline your kids. Or this world is going to go further down the pooper. There is NEVER a time that is too hectic for your kids. If there is..you dont need them. I will stop before I get on my soap box.. there is always time for your kids |
| Posted by: Athdara 28-Apr-2005, 02:28 PM |
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| Posted by: Celticman 29-Apr-2005, 10:10 AM |
| I'm probably going to ruffle a few feathers with this comment...but, the truth often ruffles feathers. What we are witnessing is the sad result of parents being stripped of their right (and, I dare say, duty) to discipline their children; liberalism run rampant. Parents have been threatened with jail if they discipline their children, so what are they to do? In my day a good swat on the butt was all that was necessary to get my attention the first time. Then, all that was necessry to keep me on the right path was the knowledge that I would have to suffer the consequences of my actions if I did something wrong (and, there is the operative phrase "my actions"). Since parents do not have the authority to discipline their children and school teachers do not have the authority to maintain discipline in their class rooms, what are they to do? Well, they are left with no alternative but to call law enforcement to deal with a problem. And, as I read in an earlier post, law enforcement, regardless of the situation, are required to handcuff ANY subject in their custody (for the officers protection as well as the subjects protection). unfortunatly, with liberalism comes lack of personal responsibility. We must get back to a place where people (children and adults alike) are held accountable for their actions. Any wonder why the public school system is in such terrible shape? It's an easy conclusion to arrive at; no discipline at home or in school. |
| Posted by: erickbloodax 29-Apr-2005, 12:54 PM |
| Well, I've got bad news for you, and then its really going to go down hill. The bad news is, as a cop there are only a few options open for us. Do we want to handcuff a five year old? NO! Will we? YES. Once I show up everything is going to be my fault, either by action or inaction. Handcuff a five year old, you brute. The five year old managed to hurt herself? Well why didn't you restrain her? Now, for those of you wondering where we are going and what are we doing in this handbasket, I will tell you; the mother will get a settlement from whoever underwrites the school. The dirty secret is that it will be cheeper to pay her off than take her to court. The mother knows this, the bottom feeding lawyers know this, and now the five year old will know this.  |
| Posted by: Rindy1202 29-Apr-2005, 09:14 PM |
| Yes, I do agree with you. I think if law inforcements are called in its time for the cuffs. Every situation is different and you darn sure don't want to be held liable for the person who hurt him/herself because you didn't cuff him. It is so sad out there. When I was a child the law was never involved now the need for officers is double. I just don't see it working for the children of the future. Cheaper too for THEM to go to prison than to go to work and be something. Whats wrong with that picture. Pretty bleak.. Sorry if I have offended anyone but this is in my opinion. What happened to growing up and being a doctor or whatever is a good example now a days. Now it is I can sell drugs and make more money than go to work...which I am affraid is the truth.. Slainte  |