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Posted by: Garry Denke 28-Sep-2003, 10:56 PM
Stonehenge baby Dental record Forensics context:

TORONTO, Canada (Reuters) -- Stonehenge is a massive female fertility symbol, according to Canadian researchers who think they have finally solved the mystery of the ancient monument in southern England. In the arrangement of the stones, the researchers say they have spotted the original design: female genitalia. The theory is laid out in a paper entitled "Stonehenge: a view from medicine" in an issue of Britain's Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine. "To the builders of the henge, the most critical events in life were birth and death," Anthony Perks, a retired professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of British Columbia, wrote in the paper, published earlier this year. He noted there was no evidence of tombs built by the original builders. "Of birth, we could expect little evidence. However, evidence may be there but so large as to be overlooked."

Stonehenge baby Dental record Forensics:

http://images.google.com/images?q=baby+teeth&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en

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1st pair Upright sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby First Molar and Second Molar
2nd pair Upright sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby Canine Cuspid and Lateral Incisor
3rd pair Upright sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby Left and Right Central Incisor
4th pair Upright sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby Canine Cuspid and Lateral Incisor
5th pair Upright sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby First Molar and Second Molar

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Stone 51 - 52 sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby First Molar and Second Molar
Stone 53 - 54 sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby Canine Cuspid and Lateral Incisor
Stone 55 - 56 sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby Left and Right Central Incisor
Stone 57 - 58 sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby Canine Cuspid and Lateral Incisor
Stone 59 - 60 sarsen Girths ~ Stonehenge baby First Molar and Second Molar

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Note the Stonehenge baby Altar Stone tongue in the center, and the outer sarsen circle, Stones 1 - 30, the baby's mouth emerging through the Stonehenge birth canal mouth, both representing the same. The German dentist, Dr. Garry W. Denke (1622-1699), first proposed the theory in 1656. Many believe it proves Dr. Anthony M. Perks and Dr. Darlene M. Bailey's theory correct, because Stonehenge sarsen Stones 51-60 are also as smooth as ten (10) baby upper, or lower, teeth.

As a final note I might add that neither horses nor horsehoes were present in Neolithic times, therefore British (and world) archaeologists who describe the above as a horseshoe are wrong.

Kind regards,

Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

Posted by: Highlander 06-Dec-2003, 11:25 AM
"As a final note I might add that neither horses nor horsehoes were present in Neolithic times, therefore British (and world) archaeologists who describe the above as a horseshoe are wrong".
Garry W. Denke
Geologist/Geophysicist

What do you say to someone that trys to come off as authoritive and yet makes this absolute conclusion? "NUTS" No horses in neolithic times.....

"China's high regard for the horse has its origins in stories such as the wonderful mounts of King Mu (r.956-918 BCE), whose eight bayards, magnificent horses, were thought to be related to dragons, and were certainly associated with some divine origin. Today, China is home to about 12 million horses and the breeding of them is an important occupation. The Chinese domesticated the horse from Neolithic times, and many cave paintings dating to both the Neolithic and the Bronze Ages, such as some in inner Mongolia, depict men riding horses.

http://www.cloudband.com/frames.mhtml/magazine/articles/feat_michaelson_horses_0200.html , or how about;

EPONA
Epona can be traced back under that name to the Gallic peoples of what is now northern France. However as these people, along with the Celts, are descendants of tribal peoples who came from the east, spreading up along the Danube valley into central and western Europe, it is not surprising that kindred peoples have the horse as a primary totem deity as the horse would have been vital for a wandering people. These peoples, as Pagans today tend to do, associate the male energies of nature with horned animals, such as the stag. It seemed natural then that the mare became associated with the feminine aspects of nurturing and fertility. Early carvings of Epona often show her with foals or feeding horses emphasising this aspect. In particular white mares were venerated - most likely because white was always seen as a "pure" colour with deep spiritual connotations and also, unless specifically bred for, white horses are uncommon.

http://www.ravenquest.net/WyldeWoods/Epona.html

So do you think there where horses or not?

Posted by: barddas 06-Dec-2003, 01:30 PM
QUOTE (Highlander @ Dec 6 2003, 01:25 PM)
Early carvings of Epona often show her with foals or feeding horses emphasising this aspect. In particular white mares were venerated - most likely because white was always seen as a "pure" colour with deep spiritual connotations and also, unless specifically bred for, white horses are uncommon.


She was also depicted as a horse, as in the chalk carvings in the Welsh and English countryside!




Posted by: Keltic 06-Dec-2003, 01:59 PM
I would like to put my theory forward...

Posted by: azelb 16-Mar-2004, 12:47 PM
The Stonehenge explanation I have read says that it was an early seat of government or castle forunner of the megalithic type. This type of architecture is represented by the lion gate.
I have also read that the central stone lies above the grave of Urther Penndragon. The ruler of the time when it was occupied. Urther is supposedly from the word for bear.

Posted by: Aaediwen 16-Mar-2004, 05:53 PM
Stonehinge is still a great enigma in the world, and many wild theories are plausible. And, I'm willing to be gullible/nieve about it and agree that some off the wall ideas are possible. But this report sounds like it needs the disclaimer "Recommended only to be read in a salt mine." There is little here to support his claims as being any more credible than Keltic's. Maybe they patterned it out of a baby's open mouth through it's mother's vigina at birth, and maybe the icon that is mr. smiley existed long before the 1960's or 1970's. For one thing, if they were going to depict a baby being born, why would they show it as if the mouth were open? and showing the teeth like that? It doesn't add up. Sure you didn't find this on some joke site somewhere?

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 16-Mar-2004, 07:04 PM
Maybe they just wanted to drive their descendants nuts trying to figure out the enigma.
Given the abstract nature of much modern sculpture of the large-scale type, maybe we've just gone full circle.

Posted by: Aaediwen 17-Mar-2004, 07:39 PM
well, they've certainly got us running in circles trying to figure it out.

Posted by: Keltic 17-Mar-2004, 10:22 PM
QUOTE (Aaediwen @ Mar 17 2004, 09:39 PM)
well, they've certainly got us running in circles trying to figure it out.

Maybe you should revisit my theory!!! smile.gif

Posted by: Garry Denke 05-May-2004, 11:18 PM
Stonehenge SUMMER SOLSTICE 2004

Following are some names of the many Stonehenge investigators who failed to published the presence of Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit and Carboniferous Black Coal at the Stonehenge monument. The geologic outcrop at Stonehenge is Cretaceous White Chalk, just in case you forgot. Reason for their failure? None of these Stonehenge investigators knew about them. So the point is, why not go see for yourself what they missed, at the Stonehenge SUMMER SOLSTICE 2004 (now that you know their exact locations, and rough amounts)

http://www.bentley-kemp.com/Weston/stonehenge/images/stnhng%20pansheep_jpg.jpg

Aiding in the celebration, so that all may see such missed Stonehenge rocks at night, is English Heritage, who has generously granted the Public free parking and free admission beginning 2200 hours (10:00 p.m.) Sunday 20th June on Father's Day night. So go if you can, it is definitely an extended weekend event. Join the midnight party round the 32.5 tons of Black Coal circling big roundtop mound along A-344 [100 metres (109 yards, 328 feet) E-SE of 04:58 Sunrise Heelstone]. The Black Coal in that Pale Grit covered trench is right under your two (2') feet.

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp?wci=MainFrame&URL1=http%3A//www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp%3FWCI%3DNode%26wce%3D8551%26nolog%3Dtrue

REPORT ON THE EXCAVATIONS AT STONEHENGE DURING THE SEASON OF 1923
William Hawley
(1851-1941)
Antiquaries Journal. J., 5
1925
21-50
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

STONEHENGE
R.J.C. Atkinson
(1920-1994)
PENGUIN BOOKS
in association with Hamish Hamilton
1956
ISBN 0140136460
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

STONEHENGE in its landscape - twentieth-century excavations
Rosamund M J Cleal, K E Walker, and R Montague
with major contributions by
Michael J Allen, Alex Bayliss, C Bronk Ramsey, Linda Coleman,
Julie Gardiner, P A Harding, Rupert Housley, Andrew J Lawson,
Gerry McCormac, Jacqueline I McKinley, Andrew Payne,
Robert G Scaife, Dale Serjeantson, and Geoff Wainwright
ENGLISH HERITAGE
1995
ARCHAEOLOGICAL REPORT 10
ISBN 1850746052
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH ACADEMY . 92
Science and Stonehenge

Edited by
BARRY CUNLIFFE & COLIN RENFREW
Published for THE BRITISH ACADEMY
by OXFORD UNIVERSITY PRESS
1997
ISBN 0197261744
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

HENGEWORLD
Mike Pitts
C
CENTURY . LONDON
2000
ISBN 0712679545
(No Carboniferous White Limestone, Carboniferous Pale Grit or Carboniferous Black Coal published therein)

http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/default.asp
http://www.wessexarch.co.uk/

Here's three photos showing the Carboniferous White Limestone, Old Red Sandstone (Altar Stone), Carboniferous Black Coal and Carboniferous Pale Grit source area for these Stonehenge rocks.

http://www.soton.ac.uk/~imw/jpg/South-Wales-map-1300.jpg
http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/photos/GowerSWcoalfield.JPG
http://www.xkeys.freeserve.co.uk/geology/coalfield.gif

Here's an arial photo showing the ~100 tons of 1/4 Carboniferous White Limestone Counterscarp (foreground left). The other ~300 tons of 'missing' Carboniferous White Limestone Counterscarp was moved, piled, and is Stonehenge Mound (background left). Rammed in the ditch circling Carboniferous White Limestone Stonehenge Mound is the ~65 tons of Carboniferous Black Coal and Carboniferous Pale Grit from the South Wales Coalfield area. Old Red Sandstone (Altar Stone) is in the ~middle of Stonehenge.

http://www.orionbeadling.net/CSCARPelev.jpg

Here's a photo of the Carboniferous White Limestone Mound from the opposite direction, and a photo of the now-famous Lion head, Calf head, Man face (clockwise), and Eagle wings (centering) Heelstone Sculpture from the archway (its intended view). Rammed in the ditch circling the Tertiary Sandstone Heelstone is ~19 tons of Carboniferous White Limestone from the South Wales Coalfield area. Atkinson was right about this immediate backfilled ditch, unfortunately he failed to inspect the elder limestone fossils.

http://homepages.enterprise.net/sisman/PHOTOs/StoneH1.jpg
http://www.freewebs.com/garrydenke

Here's a photo of Carboniferous Black (bituminous) Coal and a photo of Cretaceous White Chalk. The geologic outcrop at Stonehenge is Cretaceous White Chalk. If you can see the color difference between the rock in the first photo and the rock in the second photo, congratulations are in order. You are smarter than the Stonehenge 'experts' (see above).

http://www.geol.umd.edu/~cbentley/virtual_samples/coal.JPG
http://www.geol.umd.edu/~cbentley/virtual_samples/chalk.JPG

Totaling ~465 tons of rocks, these ~400 tons of Carboniferous White Limestone, ~32.5 tons of Carboniferous Black Coal and ~32.5 tons of Carboniferous Pale Grit hauled to Stonehenge, from South Wales Coalfield, in the Stone Age, are the equivalent of ~46.5 ten ton diesel truck loads full of rocks, the equivalent of ~465 one ton pickup trucks full of rocks, the equivalent of ~18,600 fifty pound animal skins full of rocks, or the equivalent of ~37,200 twenty-five pound clay pots full of rocks.

Posted by: MelissaDawn7 27-May-2014, 11:24 AM
I wonder if we will ever truly, 100% know why Stonehenge was made. There are so many interesting theories that revolve around it!

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