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scotborn Posted on: 11-May-2008, 11:25 AM

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I dont buy anything for my mother on mothers day, she already has christmas and a birthday. Maybe I will make her a card instead of giving my money to the corporate machine.

or am I just being cynical lol.
  Forum: General Discussion  ·  Post Preview: #248113

scotborn Posted on: 04-May-2008, 09:59 AM

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lol, thats quite an accurate qoute.
  Forum: Kirk and Chapel  ·  Post Preview: #246848

scotborn Posted on: 04-May-2008, 09:31 AM

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I think it is arrogant of christians to think that god is on their side. How do you now he isnt on the iraqis side. After all it was our countries that invaded them. Not the other way around.
  Forum: Kirk and Chapel  ·  Post Preview: #246846

scotborn Posted on: 03-May-2008, 03:50 PM

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I am an atheist, I was never baptized or christened, and I have only been to church 3 times. When I was forced to go as a child by my school.

I find all religions equally repulsive, especially islam and pentacostal, evangelism (disney christianity) christianity.

  Forum: Philosophy, Science & Religion  ·  Post Preview: #246799

scotborn Posted on: 03-May-2008, 01:30 PM

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Anyone visiting scotland should be warned to stay away from aberdeen, its a right sh*thole.
  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #246789

scotborn Posted on: 18-Apr-2008, 07:18 AM

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thanks for the posts everyone, I have enjoyed talking about this subject and I have hope everyone has learned from me as I have them. And yeah I have heard ot the book "the modern scots..." , I may look it up sometime.
  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #244888

scotborn Posted on: 18-Apr-2008, 07:17 AM

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I am a staunch atheist, and anti religious.
  Forum: Philosophy, Science & Religion  ·  Post Preview: #244886

scotborn Posted on: 15-Apr-2008, 12:00 PM

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I soppose you have to be a descendant to understand, anyway thanks for explaining to me.
  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #244386

scotborn Posted on: 15-Apr-2008, 08:24 AM

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QUOTE (gwenlee @ 15-Apr-2008, 08:52 AM)
Scotborn, perhaps you are overlooking the reason for Tartan Day and this whole pride of our origins. For one those of Scottish/Scot-Irish ancestry, ranks number 8 as an ethnic group here in the US. I can't speak for all but all most of us only want to honor and acknowledge the contributions that those people made. Yes it is true that we have a watered down version of culture, but lets face it Scotlands culture today probably doesn't represent the culture of the past either. Cultures evolved. I have heard from several of my Scottish friends that they see more kilts worn here in North America than they see in their homeland, but they don't take offense. Take offense but educate those who incorrectly say they are Scottish when it is only there ancestry. I don't know how others feel but I can't help but think that my ancestor would be happy that we are remembering them in some way. I know I have ancestors that would have rathered stayed across the pond but for political reason they were put on the North American shores. They worked hard and instilled values that now are a part of my family. So here I am a proud American who can say that I am proud of those who came before me and you Scotborn should be proud that you come from a country that had such an influence on us here in the USA.

gwen, if I may clear a few things up.

I did not say america has or is a version of watered down culture. On the contrary i have been to several locations in america and I find american culture as unique as anywhere in europe, I said that their definition of scottish culture is watered down.

I am aware that scotlands current culture is differant from its past, I emphazized this in my previous post.

It is indeed true that kilts are worn far more in america, than in scotland. This is irrelevant to the point I was making.

I can understand taking interest in your ancestors, I cannot understand taking specific interest in only one part of an americans heritage. The vast, vast majority of americans with scots heritage of many more ancestors who are not scottish i.e german, french, english etc.

scotland has also had no larger impact on americanl/canada than any other european nation. one of the countries denied the history they played in americas founding is england. I constantly hear americas claim that the founding father were predominantyl scottish, this is only part true they were also descended from the english/welsh/germans et. etc.
  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #244343

scotborn Posted on: 15-Apr-2008, 06:29 AM

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QUOTE (Lady of Avalon @ 14-Apr-2008, 07:07 PM)
Hi scotborn,
You're in title of your opinion and I always respect others opinions.
However, I like you would ask that you explain your disagreement by explaining your opinion not just simply say that "we will have to agree to disagree".

All that I am trying to say here is that the Tartan Day is a celebration of what was important to the scottish culture which today like mine as a french canadian people are loosing bit by bit their sense of culture.

Thank you all the same for your short reply.LOA

ladyofavalon, I do not see nor have I experianced canadians or more specifically nova scotians, to display relevant scots culture. Tartan day is a canadian/american day celebrating a foreign point of view on the culture of scotland. This is not a bad thing. however, having visited canada I can say that canadians and americans have very opposite values to the scots and irish.

I have met "scottish" canadians and when they were in a room with native scots they had no clue about our real indigenous culture. They had no clue what we were talking about. They did not understand our point of view, beliefs and ... yes .... culture.

culture is something lived in everyday, it is not a one day a year interpretation of a culture developed and evolved three thousand miles away that has never been even visited let alone lived in. Nor can culture be understand or experianced from being read in a book. Many people say that culture has been passed through them from generation to generation. This I believe is bollocks, culture becomes watered down and ceases to exist when you dont live in that cultures host countries with the people that defines that culture. I have irish ancestors half of my family are irish and still live in ireland. I have visited ireland several times, and I do not see any aspects of my life that are entertwined with irish culture. Nor can I claim to understand irish culture.

any way ladyofavalon I hope this answer suffices, if not then please ask me any questions or tel me if you disagree

thanks


  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #244332

scotborn Posted on: 14-Apr-2008, 09:56 AM

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lady of avalon I think we will have to agree to disagree.
  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #244188

scotborn Posted on: 14-Apr-2008, 07:27 AM

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http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=iyrkwy4vhyA

For those of you aware of the works of Brendan Behan, here is rare footage of him on the easter rising.
  Forum: General Discussion  ·  Post Preview: #244170

scotborn Posted on: 14-Apr-2008, 07:23 AM

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I was born in scotland
  Forum: General Discussion  ·  Post Preview: #244169

scotborn Posted on: 13-Apr-2008, 09:21 AM

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the vast majority of americans who claim scottish ancestry (along with the many other lines of foreign ancestry they have) had ancestors that very likely did not wear kilts, attend highland games or were part of a clan.

The desendants of scots in america have not retained their scottishness better than the scots in scotland, they have created an american culture of emphasizing their perception of what scottish culture is. While I dont view this is a bad or good thing. You cannot say that values of scottishness they cherish are the values of scots today, or the values of scots living in scotland 100, 200 etc years ago.
  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #243919

scotborn Posted on: 13-Apr-2008, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE (Lady of Avalon @ 11-Apr-2008, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 11-Apr-2008, 02:42 PM)

It was their ancestors compatriots that left their land, brought themselves, their culture, heritage, identity, set up shop in the US,CA, AU, fill in the blank, and proceeded to instill this in their new environment and their scions .

So very true Ulster I agree and this is what Miss Fraser stated here below and if you read the last phrase it says it all and I quote:" If anything,these expatriates have held onto their Scottishness more enthusiastically than Scots living in Scotland." thumbsup.gif LOA



(Scots have been leaving home for hundreds of years. While the population of Scotland is around five million, it is estimated that there are many more millions of people with some Scottish ancestry, worldwide. Wherever they went, Scots adapted to their new country but seldom forgot their heritage. If anything, these expatriates have held onto their Scottishness more enthusiastically than Scots living in Scotland.)

lady of avalon could you explain how 2 - 5th generation immigrants have held on to their 'scottishness' more so than the scots. ?

  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #243918

scotborn Posted on: 13-Apr-2008, 09:09 AM

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my hero is richard dawkins, I am an atheist and lucky to live in a country where we lack fundementalist organisation such as pentacostalism and evangelism.
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scotborn Posted on: 07-Apr-2008, 10:18 AM

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patch, the saffron solid coloured kilt is NOT irish. The saffron coloured kilt was developed for the british army to be worn by ulster scots of the irish regiments. The irish do not wear kilts nor have they ever worn kilts and this is regardless of the attempts by easter rising leader padraic pearse to adopt the kilt for irishman (it failed)
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scotborn Posted on: 06-Apr-2008, 12:43 PM

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The irish do not wear kilts nor have they ever wore kilts. The irish kilt and tartans were developed specifically for the american market. If you want to celebrate your irish heritage, I wuld advise wearing trousers.
  Forum: General Discussion  ·  Post Preview: #242222

scotborn Posted on: 06-Apr-2008, 07:36 AM

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http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/andrew..._by_tartan.html

There has been discussions on this forum regarding the views of irish/scots in ireland and scotland and I came across this articlethat some people may find interesting.
  Forum: Scotland  ·  Post Preview: #242195

scotborn Posted on: 27-Mar-2008, 03:26 PM

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anybody ever seen the commitments, its about an irish group of misfits who start a 'black soul' group.
  Forum: The Celts  ·  Post Preview: #240849

scotborn Posted on: 27-Mar-2008, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 26-Mar-2008, 07:50 PM)
scotborn, heck no, you are one of the more informed and articulate of the group. I actually am not saying that to anyone in particlar but made more of a statement about what opinions are. I for one am very opinionated and am quite sure I show some ignorance on some subject matters. I'm actually not quite sure that ignorance is the word I want to convey. I want a more positive word to explain the lack of knowledge. Its just truly uninformed opinions with no background or foundation that are irksome.

apologies ulster
  Forum: Ireland  ·  Post Preview: #240789

scotborn Posted on: 26-Mar-2008, 04:07 PM

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are you refering tome ulsternutt. ?
  Forum: Ireland  ·  Post Preview: #240679

scotborn Posted on: 24-Mar-2008, 05:46 AM

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youmight find this pretty funny -

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy-mAx0jQfc&...feature=related
  Forum: Ye Ole Celtic Pub - Open all day, all night!  ·  Post Preview: #240245

scotborn Posted on: 24-Mar-2008, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE (OdogMcAdams @ 23-Mar-2008, 10:23 AM)
But that's not the reason as to why I want to move there. I've always wanted to move to Ireland because of it's beauty, history and culture.

Any advice?

Become a doctor, nurse, it worker, financial expert or something relevent to the current irish economy. You will not get a visa to workin ireland as an animator.
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scotborn Posted on: 23-Mar-2008, 07:50 AM

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If its a career in animatin or media that you are pursuing, I would have that youwould be about 2000 times more likely to get a job in america. Rather than ireland
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