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Posted by: norwood1026 11-May-2008, 01:48 PM
Do you think we are better off then we were some 200-300 years ago?

Pros: Sure the medicene we have is alot better & we can travel to the far ends of the world & back. We can flip a switch & we have light, heat, Ac. We can watch whats going on in other parts of the world, we can find out about anything just by logging into our computers.


Cons: We no lnger seen to spend time with our loved ones the TV & the computer takes time away from those we love. Yes we can fly around the world & back. However, because we're able to travel so easily overpopulation has got worse. Famlies no long sit around the table & talk about thier day. A village would have to work toghether to surive, these days we fight each other out of greed. We bulid house because people are being born by the thousands everyday. Because we have to keep buliding somany house we have to tear up even more of the earth. The cars, trucks, buses,etc we travel in have a huge effect on the environment.

Thats my take one it..... What say you?

Posted by: Patch 11-May-2008, 04:51 PM
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 11-May-2008, 08:48 AM)
Do you think we are better off then we were some 200-300 years ago?

Pros: Sure the medicene we have is alot better & we can travel to the far ends of the world & back. We can flip a switch & we have light, heat, Ac. We can watch whats going on in other parts of the world, we can find out about anything just by logging into our computers.


Cons: We no lnger seen to spend time with our loved ones the TV & the computer takes time away from those we love. Yes we can fly around the world & back. However, because we're able to travel so easily overpopulation has got worse. Famlies no long sit around the table & talk about thier day. A village would have to work toghether to surive, these days we fight each other out of greed. We bulid house because people are being born by the thousands everyday. Because we have to keep buliding somany house we have to tear up even more of the earth. The cars, trucks, buses,etc we travel in have a huge effect on the environment.

Thats my take one it..... What say you?

I suspect the housing boom is over. Medicine is good to a point. Now we can preserve life well past the point that there is any quality left. Just look at all the nursing homes today. If you want to see one of the results of our medical system just walk through a nursing home. It isn't pretty.

We have an unbelievable choice in foods today, and we have not done too well with that. (Obesity and other food related ailments) Mostly because of greed we can not trust the food supply. I have seen the produce being raised and picked in Mexico and you do not want to hear about that.

We have traded some really important things to have this lifestyle and may find the cost was too high!

Then again we may be dragged back into the 20's and 30's where medical is rationed and we eat what is available locally or what we can raise and maybe very little. Should that happen, something I read in Mother Earth News comes to mind. IE: "In truly hard times, the only safe place to live is over one tank full of gasoline from a large city." That is pretty hard to do any more.

This does not really belong in this post but should truly hard times come, how far are you willing to go to protect your family's welfare. Can you watch your children go hungry because someone stole the food they were going to consume?

It certainly is a thread to encourage one to think.

Slàinte,    

Patch   


Posted by: ctbard 11-May-2008, 04:57 PM
You know, I think the worst thing ever created, well, one of them, are video games, I know I sound old and cranky , but, when my siblings and I were young we would be outside all day long, and could barely come home to eat, we would be outside til dark when are parents would make us come home, now, you go down the streets and their desserted, not a kid in sight, their either watching a movie or playing video games, you see kids now and their all hollow eyed and pale, it's weird.
I have a friend who has a pool for her kids, a great tree house, huge yard, it abutts a forest, and the kids are NEVER outside, so, in my opinion, I think kids are worse off then they were even 20 years ago.
And as far as the envioment, its a mess, people keep building bigger and bigger houses, cutting all the tree's down.I think the world is a mess.
Sure, medicine is alot better now, thats one thing, but, right now, thats the only thing I can think of thats better.
People have way too many cars, it's ridiculous, I even do, but we got rid of our SUV.
I hope I didnt get off track here, sorry.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 11-May-2008, 05:24 PM
Hi norwood1026,
My opinion may shock some but it is a reality. People don't die anymore and medecine plays a great part in it.

Are we better off now then 200 or 300 years ago? I would say yes in the way of facility to have everything you need around you.
If one needs something either to cook or doing anything around the house, one just take the car and goes to the store to get it.

Our lifestyle has become too easy. Fast food, cell phone, shopping mall open 24/7, people have become quite materialists since the industrialisation era.

Hard physical work is a rare thing these days, everything is computerize , people who watch t.v don't even have to get up anymore same for listening the radio so in a way the body is geeting older but at the same time it is not worn.

Also with television and all, people tends to think that we are immortal and have grown afraid of death. To me we are better in the way of living but on the other hand I'd say we are not because the values and principles of life have disappeared in many ways. And thus humanity has become cold.
LOA


Posted by: ctbard 11-May-2008, 05:26 PM
QUOTE (Lady of Avalon @ 11-May-2008, 06:24 PM)
Hi norwood1026,
My opinion may shock some but it is a reality. People don't die anymore and medecine plays a great part in it.

Are we better off now then 200 or 300 years ago? I would say yes in the way of facility to have everything you need around you.
If one needs something either to cook or doing anything around the house, one just take the car and goes to the store to get it.

Our lifestyle has become too easy. Fast food, cell phone, shopping mall open 24/7, people have become quite materialists since the industrialisation era.

Hard physical work is a rare thing these days, everything is computerize , people who watch t.v don't even have to get up anymore same for listening the radio so in a way the body is geeting older but at the same time it is not worn.

Also with television and all, people tends to think that we are immortal and have grown afraid of death. To me we are better in the way of living but on the other hand I'd say we are not because the values and principles of life have disappeared in many ways. And thus humanity has become cold.
LOA

Yep, I pretty much agree with you LOA.

Posted by: Patch 11-May-2008, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (ctbard @ 11-May-2008, 11:57 AM)
You know, I think the worst thing ever created, well, one of them, are video games, I know I sound old and cranky , but, when my siblings and I were young we would be outside all day long, and could barely come home to eat, we would be outside til dark when are parents would make us come home, now, you go down the streets and their desserted, not a kid in sight, their either watching a movie or playing video games, you see kids now and their all hollow eyed and pale, it's weird.
I have a friend who has a pool for her kids, a great tree house, huge yard, it abutts a forest, and the kids are NEVER outside, so, in my opinion, I think kids are worse off then they were even 20 years ago.
And as far as the envioment, its a mess, people keep building bigger and bigger houses, cutting all the tree's down.I think the world is a mess.
Sure, medicine is alot better now, thats one thing, but, right now, thats the only thing I can think of thats better.
People have way too many cars, it's ridiculous, I even do, but we got rid of our SUV.
I hope I didnt get off track here, sorry.

Going back two hundred years there were a lot less people using the rescources. Today we are "populating ourselves out of energy and food. That is self limiting!!

Slàinte,     Patch   

Posted by: norwood1026 11-May-2008, 06:11 PM
Patch, your correct people take & take these days back then people had some sence of balance with nature & they know to give what they took. Some people these days think somehow we'll be ok & that we can get away without caring where it's coming from.

Posted by: Patch 11-May-2008, 06:31 PM
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 11-May-2008, 01:11 PM)
Patch, your correct people take & take these days back then people had some sence of balance with nature & they know to give what they took. Some people these days think somehow we'll be ok & that we can get away without caring where it's coming from.

I fear those are the ones least likely to survive if they are wrong. Some of us will work hard to help the rest but that too will be dangerous.

Slàinte,    

Patch   

Posted by: norwood1026 11-May-2008, 06:35 PM
QUOTE (Patch @ 11-May-2008, 07:31 PM)
I fear those are the ones least likely to survive if they are wrong. Some of us will work hard to help the rest but that too will be dangerous.

Slàinte,    

Patch   

Sadly sooner or later it might come down to everyone for themselves... ohmy.gif

Posted by: Patch 11-May-2008, 07:16 PM
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 11-May-2008, 01:35 PM)
QUOTE (Patch @ 11-May-2008, 07:31 PM)
I fear those are the ones least likely to survive if they are wrong.  Some of us will work hard to help the rest but that too will be dangerous.

Slàinte,    

Patch   

Sadly sooner or later it might come down to everyone for themselves... ohmy.gif

Should it come to that, My plan is to gather my family around me at whatever seems to be the safest place and make a stand. My youngest Daughter does not like to talk about it but God help anyone who would try to cause harm to her children!

Slàinte,    

Patch   

Posted by: Robert Phoenix 11-May-2008, 09:45 PM
While they may not be historically accurate I still prefer the atmoshere and the way people treat each other at Renaissance faires alot more than the mundane world. So aside from the sickness, the stench from the sewage in the streets, and animal droppings everywhere I probbaly was born in the wrong time. Its refreshing to see actually craftsmen building something with their hands rather than watch some dumb machine pound out several hundred Hannah Montana plastic mugs a minute that nobody really needs. We have lost a lot especially in matters of honor and grace.

Posted by: Aaediwen 11-May-2008, 11:17 PM
Are we better off now vs 200 years ago? I wasn't around so I can only speak for my perspective which has been warped by time. In some ways it's better, others worse. the above mentioned health care is one. We have instant international communications, and don't have to wait 10 years to hear back from friends and loved ones overseas. We have a wider selection of foods available, we don't have as much trouble with food spoilage, we have better warnings of severe weather, and I wonder if we might be polluting less now.

On the other hand, I agree with ctbard, but it's not just kids that need to get out and play, it's adults too. We are losing our connection with nature and with ourselves. We as a society are interacting less and less on a personal basis and more and more in an environment where we never see each other. I also see cities needlessly stretching out, a blight on the land. Also, the government is stepping in more and more as people seem to be abandoning common sense. Are we really any safer now after 9/11 than we were when it wasn't abnormal for a young boy to go out hunting *with a GUN, and heaven forbid a knife*, or even 20 years ago when riding in the back of a pickup truck was a summer treat? There's good and bad to be said for both.

Posted by: John Clements 12-May-2008, 08:20 AM
In my opinion, all of the above comments, (for the most part) are true, for my take on it. I’ll take reality over vertical reality (any time). Perhaps the Unabomber and Dr. Kevorkian will turnout to be the real heroes, in the end.

Posted by: maggiemahone1 12-May-2008, 09:09 AM
when riding in the back of a pickup truck was a summer treat? There's good and bad to be said for both.

I agree with Aaediwen...I remember those days when my parents would load us kids up in the back of our pickup truck, (5 of us by the way)Mom at the wheel, Dad drinking his brew and off we'd go to the swimming hole. Now there's no way I'd even think about letting my grandchildren ride in the back of a truck, there's too many drivers out there on alcohol, drugs and texting on their cell phones. I do like all the creature comforts, but really would like better morals for society as a whole. I know that there has always been problems with alcohol and drugs, when I hear about a 5th grader being arrested for smoking pot at school and he gets it from a classmate, there is definetly something wrong with that picture. When I was growing up the only drugs in our house was an occasional RX prescription that was used in the way it was intended and aspirin. Wow, has that ever changed and I'm 54 (but that's a secret)
I'm glad that I didn't have to choose what time period I was going to be born in. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Patch 12-May-2008, 11:35 AM
QUOTE (maggiemahone1 @ 12-May-2008, 04:09 AM)
when riding in the back of a pickup truck was a summer treat? There's good and bad to be said for both.

I agree with Aaediwen...I remember those days when my parents would load us kids up in the back of our pickup truck, (5 of us by the way)Mom at the wheel, Dad drinking his brew and off we'd go to the swimming hole. Now there's no way I'd even think about letting my grandchildren ride in the back of a truck, there's too many drivers out there on alcohol, drugs and texting on their cell phones. I do like all the creature comforts, but really would like better morals for society as a whole. I know that there has always been problems with alcohol and drugs, when I hear about a 5th grader being arrested for smoking pot at school and he gets it from a classmate, there is definetly something wrong with that picture. When I was growing up the only drugs in our house was an occasional RX prescription that was used in the way it was intended and aspirin. Wow, has that ever changed and I'm 54 (but that's a secret)
I'm glad that I didn't have to choose what time period I was going to be born in. biggrin.gif

In my youth, doctors made house calls. I was diagnosed with appendicitis at home. I got a shot of penicillin, which was new, with the biggest syringe I have ever seen. I was to stay in bed and my parents kept "hot" water bottles full of ice on my stomach around the clock. Three more shots of penicillin and I got well.30 or 40 years earlier I probably would not have survived.

22 years later, same symptoms. 3 hours later I had no appendix.

At 8 and 7, I and my cousin had a 22 rifle to share at my Grandfathers. The rules were given to both and I knew if we got caught breaking them I would suffer because I was the "oldest." Note: this was unsupervised after at age 8 and watching Grand dad hunt for two years. At the same time 2 years experience with a BB gun.

My Grandmother liked "pussy willow branches if I messed up. My Grandfather's preference was something a little heavier. I learned early in life that society had rules and I had d-mn well better follow them.

Wouldn't Child Protective Services have a fit over the above today?

I too rode in the back of a pickup truck and home from the post office on the "running board" of the car. I drove a tractor (of sorts) at age 4 on our farm. At about 6 I walked two miles along a busy highway to the slaughter house where my father worked. I had my first taste of "Twist Chewing Tobacco" there. It was a long trip home that day.

We are all the product of our youth.

If the medical expertise were there I would not mind going back 100 or 200 years.

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Posted by: norwood1026 12-May-2008, 12:39 PM
I remember as a kid always being outside whenever I had the chance to. I never stepped foot in the hourse unless it was to get something to drink. It seems these says that most kids tend to stay inside. Playing games or on the computer granted society has made it hard for kids to have some place to play. There was a skateboard park out by an airstrip the city closed t down & the only one left is the one on base. How are the kids who skate supposed to get to it? The city tears the only public place they have to skate & then complians when they skate elsewhere.

I know this is a bit off topic sorry...

Posted by: ctbard 12-May-2008, 12:56 PM
yep, when I was a kid our Dr. made house calls too. And when we would get alittle too wild at night my mother would give us peragoric, which is opium based, to quite us down a bit.
And we'd walk all over the place for miles and our parents would think nothing of it, and when we went to visit our Aunt in Maryland we would take out their little rowboat and go out in the harbor, and we were all under ten, my God, now that I look back, were lucky we survived.
Now you can't even get the Dr. to call you back on the phone.

Posted by: Patch 12-May-2008, 04:22 PM
QUOTE (ctbard @ 12-May-2008, 07:56 AM)
yep, when I was a kid our Dr. made house calls too. And when we would get alittle too wild at night my mother would give us peragoric, which is opium based, to quite us down a bit.
And we'd walk all over the place for miles and our parents would think nothing of it, and when we went to visit our Aunt in Maryland we would take out their little rowboat and go out in the harbor, and we were all under ten, my God, now that I look back, were lucky we survived.
Now you can't even get the Dr. to call you back on the phone.

I think back then, all the adults watched out for you. I know that to be true because if I did something stupid my mom knew it within minutes. I suspect it had been that way for a hundred years or more. All were mostly family and community oriented.

I remember paregoric. We used it when my oldest two children were getting their first teeth. It relieved their (?) discomfort.

As a child we would walk to a pond (swamp) about a half mile away in a little woods. It was about 6 feet deep in the deepest place. None of us could swim. We survived but, if someone didn't, no one would have been sued. My cousin and I probably got into more things than any other kids I knew. Sometime I will post the tale of my cousin and my feeble and brief foray into falconry at ages 7 and 8. It could be posted under either comedy or tragedy! We survived! All of the above is closer to 100 years ago than today.

Just getting a doctor to see you in a reasonable time is a chore here.

Slàinte,    

Patch  


Posted by: ctbard 12-May-2008, 05:48 PM
QUOTE (Patch @ 12-May-2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (ctbard @ 12-May-2008, 07:56 AM)
yep, when I was a kid our Dr. made house calls too. And when we would get alittle too wild at night my mother would give us peragoric, which is opium based, to quite us down a bit.
And we'd walk all over the place for miles and our parents would think nothing of it, and when we went to visit our Aunt in Maryland we would take out their little rowboat and go out in the harbor, and we were all under ten, my God, now that I look back, were lucky we survived.
Now you can't even get the Dr. to call you back on the phone.

I think back then, all the adults watched out for you. I know that to be true because if I did something stupid my mom knew it within minutes. I suspect it had been that way for a hundred years or more. All were mostly family and community oriented.

I remember paregoric. We used it when my oldest two children were getting their first teeth. It relieved their (?) discomfort.

As a child we would walk to a pond (swamp) about a half mile away in a little woods. It was about 6 feet deep in the deepest place. None of us could swim. We survived but, if someone didn't, no one would have been sued. My cousin and I probably got into more things than any other kids I knew. Sometime I will post the tale of my cousin and my feeble and brief foray into falconry at ages 7 and 8. It could be posted under either comedy or tragedy! We survived! All of the above is closer to 100 years ago than today.

Just getting a doctor to see you in a reasonable time is a chore here.

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Tell us about your feeble attempt at falconry, you have peeked my interest, I love a good story, I have many, many stories of me making a fool of myself.
And you know, I have a bottle of paregoric that the Dr. gave my husband, "which he cant take", so, maybe someday I"ll reminisce and take a swig of it and bring back my childhood.

Posted by: Patch 12-May-2008, 06:50 PM
Ok,

My cousin and I were avid comic book readers. One of us read about hunting with falcons in one of the comics. We were familiar with hawks from our frequent nature outings. During one of our spring forays we spotted a huge nest near the top of a rather large tree. This was about the farthest corner of the farm also. We were certain there had to be baby hunting falcons in the nest. Maybe enough that we could sell some for a profit. Anyway it was obvious since I was a foot taller, and heavier also, that I couldn't climb onto the smaller limbs near the nest. I furnished the shirt to carry the babies down in and boosted my cousin to the lowest limb. I watched intently as he made his way up the tree. At about 12-14 feet an ugly featherless heat poked over the edge of the nest and "puked" on my cousin. Of course he reacted (initially with curse words) That caused me to panic and I quickly looked to see if any one had heard as Grandfather wouldn't tolerate swearing. As I looked back up the Vulture gave him a second "shot". and with that my cousin jumped. I remember him bouncing off of several limbs on the way down. He laid on the ground screaming and though I wasn't a medical genius it was obvious his leg was crooked. Again, probably from a comic book I had read about splints. I found a substantial piece of limb (which I would later regret) and with my belt, my shirt and a pocket knife to cut the shirt enough to tear it, I splinted his leg as best I understood. It is a wonder it didn't cause permanent injury. All the while my cousin is screaming like a fire engine. I got his arms over my shoulders and off we went to the house, with him still screaming constantly. Grandfather met us about half way and I remember him saying a few words we were not allowed. I barely kept up. When we got to the house Grandfather cut the splint off and while Grandmother was calling the Doctor, he used the splint on me "since I was the oldest". I rode in the back seat Grandfather's "48" Mercury with my cousin, still screaming". There was no room to sit down but as I recall that wasn't an issue.

I do not remember that we had any further interest in falconry.

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Posted by: Patch 12-May-2008, 06:52 PM
QUOTE (ctbard @ 12-May-2008, 12:48 PM)
QUOTE (Patch @ 12-May-2008, 05:22 PM)
QUOTE (ctbard @ 12-May-2008, 07:56 AM)
yep, when I was a kid our Dr. made house calls too. And when we would get alittle too wild at night my mother would give us peragoric, which is opium based, to quite us down a bit.
And we'd walk all over the place for miles and our parents would think nothing of it, and when we went to visit our Aunt in Maryland we would take out their little rowboat and go out in the harbor, and we were all under ten, my God, now that I look back, were lucky we survived.
Now you can't even get the Dr. to call you back on the phone.

I think back then, all the adults watched out for you. I know that to be true because if I did something stupid my mom knew it within minutes. I suspect it had been that way for a hundred years or more. All were mostly family and community oriented.

I remember paregoric. We used it when my oldest two children were getting their first teeth. It relieved their (?) discomfort.

As a child we would walk to a pond (swamp) about a half mile away in a little woods. It was about 6 feet deep in the deepest place. None of us could swim. We survived but, if someone didn't, no one would have been sued. My cousin and I probably got into more things than any other kids I knew. Sometime I will post the tale of my cousin and my feeble and brief foray into falconry at ages 7 and 8. It could be posted under either comedy or tragedy! We survived! All of the above is closer to 100 years ago than today.

Just getting a doctor to see you in a reasonable time is a chore here.

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Tell us about your feeble attempt at falconry, you have peeked my interest, I love a good story, I have many, many stories of me making a fool of myself.
And you know, I have a bottle of paregoric that the Dr. gave my husband, "which he cant take", so, maybe someday I"ll reminisce and take a swig of it and bring back my childhood.

As I recall Paragoric tasted terrible (from when my oldest were little)

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Posted by: ctbard 13-May-2008, 11:22 AM
QUOTE (Patch @ 12-May-2008, 07:50 PM)
Ok,

My cousin and I were avid comic book readers. One of us read about hunting with falcons in one of the comics. We were familiar with hawks from our frequent nature outings. During one of our spring forays we spotted a huge nest near the top of a rather large tree. This was about the farthest corner of the farm also. We were certain there had to be baby hunting falcons in the nest. Maybe enough that we could sell some for a profit. Anyway it was obvious since I was a foot taller, and heavier also, that I couldn't climb onto the smaller limbs near the nest. I furnished the shirt to carry the babies down in and boosted my cousin to the lowest limb. I watched intently as he made his way up the tree. At about 12-14 feet an ugly featherless heat poked over the edge of the nest and "puked" on my cousin. Of course he reacted (initially with curse words) That caused me to panic and I quickly looked to see if any one had heard as Grandfather wouldn't tolerate swearing. As I looked back up the Vulture gave him a second "shot". and with that my cousin jumped. I remember him bouncing off of several limbs on the way down. He laid on the ground screaming and though I wasn't a medical genius it was obvious his leg was crooked. Again, probably from a comic book I had read about splints. I found a substantial piece of limb (which I would later regret) and with my belt, my shirt and a pocket knife to cut the shirt enough to tear it, I splinted his leg as best I understood. It is a wonder it didn't cause permanent injury. All the while my cousin is screaming like a fire engine. I got his arms over my shoulders and off we went to the house, with him still screaming constantly. Grandfather met us about half way and I remember him saying a few words we were not allowed. I barely kept up. When we got to the house Grandfather cut the splint off and while Grandmother was calling the Doctor, he used the splint on me "since I was the oldest". I rode in the back seat Grandfather's "48" Mercury with my cousin, still screaming". There was no room to sit down but as I recall that wasn't an issue.

I do not remember that we had any further interest in falconry.

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Yep, sounds like stuff my sister and I would do, like when we ended up in the cheasapeke bay in a rowboat.And you know, when we get together, we still do stuff like that.Thank you for your story Patch.

Posted by: Patch 14-May-2008, 06:08 AM
This might be an idea for it's own topic!

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Posted by: ctbard 14-May-2008, 08:44 AM
QUOTE (Patch @ 14-May-2008, 07:08 AM)
This might be an idea for it's own topic!

Slàinte,    

Patch  

Good Idea!!

Posted by: norwood1026 17-May-2008, 04:38 AM
My wife & I have been house hunting off & on for a bit nothing to serious just, trying to get an idea of whats out there. We ran across this house that was bulit around the dining room. The room was smack in the middle of the house, I forget how old the house was but it was intresting to see & if for no other reason I liked the house because of that one thing. If I ever bulid a house I think thats what I would do it puts focus on the family.

Posted by: Patch 17-May-2008, 04:24 PM
In my small community you would have thusands to look at.

Slàinte,    

Patch   

Posted by: norwood1026 17-May-2008, 09:07 PM
I think family is something that we have got away from more then anything in the past 200-300 years. No one has time for anyone else these days.

Posted by: Patch 17-May-2008, 09:32 PM
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 17-May-2008, 04:07 PM)
I think family is something that we have got away from more then anything in the past 200-300 years. No one has time for anyone else these days.

Yes, we have. When my parents passed away It left me as the family "elder", a role I am not good at. I recall we talked about all of the cousins getting together. We didn't quite get it accomplished when one was in a serious auto accident and the other died of a a ruptured aneurism. Since we have been better about it.

Slàinte,    

Patch   

Posted by: Camac 17-May-2008, 10:11 PM
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 17-May-2008, 10:07 PM)
I think family is something that we have got away from more then anything in the past 200-300 years. No one has time for anyone else these days.

I agree. To me family is very important but it seems nowadays I stand alone. I have two great daughters, one lives right across the street from me and the other 10 mins. away and I hardly see them there lives are so busy. Sometimes it hurts.

Camac. sad.gif sad.gif

Posted by: norwood1026 18-May-2008, 05:20 AM
QUOTE (Camac @ 17-May-2008, 11:11 PM)
I agree. To me family is very important but it seems nowadays I stand alone. I have two great daughters, one lives right across the street from me and the other 10 mins. away and I hardly see them there lives are so busy. Sometimes it hurts.

Camac. sad.gif sad.gif

I have to wonder at times if it's a choice not to make time for your family. It seems all this technology has taken over what used to be family time. The kids run off to thier rooms & get on-line the parents seem to do the same. It's like an excuse to get away from reality & whats most important to you. Like I said before we do not have kids at this time but we have talked about we & we do not want to make the same mistakes as our parents did.

Posted by: Camac 18-May-2008, 10:00 AM
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 18-May-2008, 06:20 AM)
QUOTE (Camac @ 17-May-2008, 11:11 PM)
I agree. To me family is very important but it seems nowadays I stand alone. I have two great daughters, one lives right across the street from me and the other 10 mins. away and I hardly see them there lives are so busy. Sometimes it hurts.

Camac. sad.gif  sad.gif

I have to wonder at times if it's a choice not to make time for your family. It seems all this technology has taken over what used to be family time. The kids run off to thier rooms & get on-line the parents seem to do the same. It's like an excuse to get away from reality & whats most important to you. Like I said before we do not have kids at this time but we have talked about we & we do not want to make the same mistakes as our parents did.

norwood1026;

All parents say the same thing and it is hard sometimes not to fall into the same pattern. Kids don't come with written instructions. We can only do our best and hope we suceed. I think it is a sign of the times that families seem to drift apart because of everyones busy life style and it seems that if they want to get ahead then the job always comes first. Guess I wasn't ambitious as my family always came ahead of any damn job.


Camac.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 18-May-2008, 05:44 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 18-May-2008, 12:00 PM)
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 18-May-2008, 06:20 AM)
QUOTE (Camac @ 17-May-2008, 11:11 PM)
I agree. To me family is very important but it seems nowadays I stand alone. I have two great daughters, one lives right across the street from me and the other 10 mins. away and I hardly see them there lives are so busy. Sometimes it hurts.

Camac. sad.gif  sad.gif

I have to wonder at times if it's a choice not to make time for your family. It seems all this technology has taken over what used to be family time. The kids run off to thier rooms & get on-line the parents seem to do the same. It's like an excuse to get away from reality & whats most important to you. Like I said before we do not have kids at this time but we have talked about we & we do not want to make the same mistakes as our parents did.

norwood1026;

All parents say the same thing and it is hard sometimes not to fall into the same pattern. Kids don't come with written instructions. We can only do our best and hope we suceed. I think it is a sign of the times that families seem to drift apart because of everyones busy life style and it seems that if they want to get ahead then the job always comes first. Guess I wasn't ambitious as my family always came ahead of any damn job.


Camac.

If I may gentlemen,
Another fact about family is that there no more "family" pretty much these days.
How can people have the sense of a family when a lot of couples like you norwood1026 and myself don't have kids?

And as for those who have some and are still married they have what 2 or 3 kids at the most because young couples these days don't want more and a lot of couples who have kids are "reconstructed" families. Like 2 of my sisters and 1 brother. Not alwasy esay.

And not counting the single parents. So, in my eyes these factors are a reality that families are not what they use to be.

My family is considered a big one for today because we are 6 brothers and sisters together and when we all gather for an occasion let me tell you that we have so much fun and the nieces and nephews are all parts of this as well.

But again we do make the time for it. It would certainly die if everyone would just stay put.
In all what I'm trying to say is that it is not just the fact that technology took over what use to be family time, people must and shoud take the time.WE as a society and it's values are getting lasy. Me, myself , and I.

LOA

Posted by: norwood1026 18-May-2008, 08:10 PM
I think part of the problem today is that no one really looks out for the other the family I mean. 200 -300 years ago famlies counted on each other to make it though life. These days it seems kids can't wait to break free of thier family.
Something has really changed over time & sadly for the worse. All this hugh tech stuff was supposed to make life easier, & it seems all that it has done is push us apart.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 19-May-2008, 05:27 AM
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ 18-May-2008, 10:10 PM)
I think part of the problem today is that no one really looks out for the other the family I mean.  200 -300 years ago famlies counted on each other to make it though life. These days it seems kids can't wait to break free of thier family.
Something has really changed over time & sadly for the worse. All this hugh tech stuff was supposed to make life easier, & it seems all that it has done is push us apart.

norwood1026,

I wouldn't go as far as being dramatic in saying that families don't look out for the others today.It's just that's it's done in a different way.
In those days they did not have community centers helping out the one in needs, they did not have welfare, they did not have food shelter, and I don't want to go off topic here but the catholic church was a great influence on families.
They would preach to to be poor and have plenty of kids even though they were so poor as not being able to feed them. That's why in cities there was so many abandonned kids and hobos.

Life was quite different in those days and even though we'd like to think that they were looking for each other. You may be surprised but big families would give preference to male than female. When money was involved a lot of women were just forced to be married to someone they did not even decide upon, it was decide by the head of the family which usually was the first born who had the power to decide for everybody in the family. And the younger brothers either one for the church and the others bought commission to serve in the army.

The difference with today is what I said before in my earlier reply is that everything is too easy and everyting is complicated at the same time.In some way "we" as a society have taken for granted things that shouldn't and forgot along the way the price of lost values.

Our parents would let us play when we were young today they just don't have the time anymore, life is too fast. Go to the gym "oh,yes I must be slim and beautiful",
go to the bar with false friends just to show off, buy things that one don't really needs just to show the neighbor that one can be as good and I can go on and on.
This is the values that people have today and as for all the commodities we have in our society this is why we have problems and seem that people are pushed apart.

LOA

Posted by: norwood1026 19-May-2008, 01:03 PM
While I agree with you to a point I still think it requires an effort to make time with your family. Dropping your kids off at the mall for the day is not trying. My wife is the general manager at a local bookstore & she has parents dropping thier kids off at 8 AM & not picking them up untill almost close, which is at 11 PM. How is that making time for your kids? I am not saying all parents do this but if they really wanted to make to for thier kids they could. Sorry this is a personal thing for me.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 19-May-2008, 02:51 PM
Hi norwood1026,

I do understand your meaning and quite agree with you that a lot of parents just drop their kids either to the baby sitter or anywhere where there not in THEIR way. And frankly these people should not have had kids in the first place it's completely immature.(Sorry if I offend here but it's my opinion). One who decides to have kids should and must understand that there are big responsibilities and it's a life contract.
But this is another topic all together.
And I am sorry that it is a personal matter for you and I hope that in your mind and heart that you don't generalized what's happening in our society is only due to the fact of internet and computer gizmo.

Because in my opinion it is much much more than that.

LOA

Posted by: norwood1026 19-May-2008, 06:59 PM
Trust me I agree I believe that if you know some where down the road that your're not going to have the time for children then do not have them. My wife just found out that she has PCOS. And as of right now we're not sure if she can have kids only time will tell. This bothers me because thier are people out there who would make great parents & yet can not have kids. It's sad that some people do not see this.

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