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| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 23-Jan-2004, 12:27 AM |
| I am really at a loss here. I have been enjoying the Pagan/Wiccan way of life for some time now but still have yet to find a deity that is suited to me. How can I do this? Is it a matter of timing? Do they need to remain a secret? How will I know when I have been chosen? How did you find your Deities??? Please don't take Offense but don't tell me about God, Jesus, or the Holy Ghost, Been there , done that, it didn't work for me. Thanks, The lost  |
| Posted by: maisky 23-Jan-2004, 08:23 AM |
I also have "been there and done that", with the same lack of results. To be valid, a religion should have visible, measurable results from practicing it. I always had a problem with "do this, and after you die you will see the results". It always seemed to me that the authority figure saying this had an inherent conflict of interest......  As a long time practicing Buddhist, I can honestly say that I don't have a deity. The "Mystic Law of the universe" is not something we personify. The closest we come to a deity is the Buddha that is potential inside of all human beings. A Buddha is an enlightened human being, not a deity. The Buddha nature is something I activate inside myself through my daily practice. The results are very tangible and visible in my life. While these are my beliefs, I certainly don't begrudge anyone else THEIR beliefs.  |
| Posted by: peckery 23-Jan-2004, 10:04 AM |
| Should not your deity find you??? |
| Posted by: RavenWing 23-Jan-2004, 10:04 AM |
| I know quite a few Wiccans who choose not to name their deities. THey use the terms Lord, Lady, God, Goddess etc. Personally I have not practiced much cerimonially for a while(at least Wiccan related) Most ceremonial events have been Native American. Are there any deities you feel a special connection to? |
| Posted by: RavenWing 23-Jan-2004, 10:08 AM | ||||||||
I guess it is for some. Personally I don't see how it could be.
I think that all depends on how you personally feel about it. Do you feel it is appropriate for your deity to remain secret for your practices to be effective?
Believe me, you will know. It will become a part of you, and you will begin to see evidence of this around you.
They were just there. Some were by hearing the name and feeing a "tug". Others have been there for as long as I can remember. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss in further detail.  |
| Posted by: Randy 23-Jan-2004, 12:19 PM |
| I know nothing of anything realted to wicca and really any religon for that matter although I was brought up Catholic. But I believe as a life lesson: If you wait for something to happen it may never happen. If you want something go find it. How? I have no idea but I am guessing getting there will be half the fun. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 23-Jan-2004, 12:27 PM | ||
That is why I asked....."How will I know when I have been chosen" |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 23-Jan-2004, 12:30 PM | ||
There are quiet a few I feel connected to, but have heard that you may only have 1 deity of each. This is where the confusion is comming in. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 23-Jan-2004, 12:35 PM | ||
Again another point of confusion of what I have "heard". Several Wiccans I have talked to have said that in order to increase your true power that your deities should remain a secret. This bothers me cause I have never been ashamed to share what knowledge or Deity information and how they have helped me at anytime. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 23-Jan-2004, 12:45 PM | ||
you have some very good points. and I agree with the "Go Find It" but that is just the type of person I am. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 23-Jan-2004, 12:48 PM | ||
How can I find out more about Buddhism (sp?) |
| Posted by: RavenWing 23-Jan-2004, 12:52 PM | ||||
May I ask what form of Wicca you are practicing? For example Gardnerian, Seax-Wica, Eclectic, Dianic.... |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 23-Jan-2004, 01:04 PM | ||
Well, there is another point of confusion, I don't have a specific one due to the fact that I don't have a deity......HEEEELP!!!! Auntie this is so confuzzeling! |
| Posted by: RavenWing 23-Jan-2004, 01:09 PM |
| Ok, now this makes a lot more sense. Sounds like you are at least a solitary. Have you read any of Scott Cunningham's books? Lemme see if I can find some links to some helpful websites. |
| Posted by: maisky 23-Jan-2004, 01:10 PM | ||
You can PM me, or try the book "The Buddha in the Mirror" for basics. I don't want to push my philosophy on everyone, so PM'ing is best. I will be happy to answer any questions I can. |
| Posted by: RavenWing 23-Jan-2004, 01:14 PM |
| This is one of the best websites I have ever seen, and can definitely help you. I recommend exploring this website some. http://www.wicca.timerift.net/belief.html |
| Posted by: barddas 23-Jan-2004, 01:53 PM | ||||
I think that practice is a little silly m'self. Maybe it is due to being "closeted" in keeping that covens beliefs/practices secret. Who knows!* shrug* I too have mixed feelings about all gods being one diff names etc..... maybe.... I agree with more, that most religious paths travel the same direction. I think it is really a matter of how your mind works. I know many of us are very creative in this forum. And there fore maybe all of those dieties are there for us to embrace sepratlely. Or, possibly different guises(sp) of the one entity. Who knows really!? And does it matter? I personally like the thought of many god/desses it just fits my mind... they all lead to the same place. right? This is hard to discuss in writing... my brain is moving to fast..... Ah! i wish we all lived near one another so we could bet a pint or six and talk about this..... |
| Posted by: Shadows 23-Jan-2004, 02:02 PM |
| When one considers all that was, all that is , and all that can be it seems a little silly to place a name on it! Mankind has this tendancy to want to place a name or human attributes on/to the grandness of existence. We are all one with everything that ever was and ever will be, it is all in how we use the knowledge to progress our lives in the plains of existence that will get us to our final destination. In other words: Gods are of man and men are of the gods. Without one the other would not exist. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 24-Jan-2004, 09:00 AM | ||
Auntie, I am a solitary only because I don't know about any Dragon Magic covens. I live in a house that is over 100 years old, Crimson (My Daughter) is a Solitary and Raven Whitefang is a Solitary too. Both of whom reside in my home. Raven is more Asatru then Wiccan, Crimson I don't know what she is, she hasn't chosen either. I have several of Scott Cunninhams books, I find though that for some reason I get board easily with his books. I have a full book case of books on this subject and find that unless it is about Dragons and Dragon magic, or celtic I wind up more confuzzled then before. This bothers me because I am an 8th Generation Witch. But this came from my Fathers side and he was Italian, I am a Straga according to my eldest sister who is also a Straga. There are very very few Books on Dragon Magic and nothing on Dragon Deities or even those related to them. Is there a better way for me to do this? Am I missing the point here? Thanks for the websites, they have helped a bit. If nothing else it helped me see that I am a Witch and not a Wiccan. Although I thought they were pretty close to being the same. I thought the basic belief system between the two was the same, I was way off base according to the website you gave me Auntie. I am still researching this. Many Many Hugs |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 24-Jan-2004, 09:11 AM | ||
Kinda hard since I am the farthest away from all of you. I guess what I am asking is, Can I worship all the deities that I feel comphy with or do I HAVE to chose? I am not one for being bound by limitations. I hate it with everything in me but that is my Aquarian nature. I'm a free spirit and will do what ever I must to remain so. This is one reason why I find Marriage and Family difficult. (don't get me wrong, I love my family more then I thought I could. I am very dedicated to them.) I'm also not one tokeep things hidden. I personally don't care who knows. I am what I am and I am proud of it. Why the hell should I hide it? Cheers to you all  |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 24-Jan-2004, 09:14 AM | ||
I know a few who would argue that point with you But, since I am not one of them I will not nor see the need for it. You make a good point, My point is that I am tired of being confuzzled. I live by the old addage .."Keep It Simple Stupid!" That is what makes my life easiest. |
| Posted by: RavenWing 27-Jan-2004, 08:19 AM | ||
In the religion of "Mary", you can w0rship whomever you want to worship. If it is what is right to you, then by all means worship them. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 27-Jan-2004, 12:11 PM | ||
Religion of Mary????? what is that ? I have never heard of it. More info please. |
| Posted by: RavenWing 27-Jan-2004, 02:36 PM |
| That would be my own personal religion / spiritual practices. (My name is Mary, btw) |
| Posted by: Danann 27-Jan-2004, 02:52 PM |
| I know this sounds a bit contradictoray since I am a Christian that dabbles in the wiccan way of life, but I ran across a website that might at least give you a bit of encouragement, if not answers. The website is www.lunarmonthly.com but this is an archived story... Its sort of saying your goddess might not have a name, but she is there, and she knows who she is, and will eventually show herself. Anything spiritual is not a short term thing, its a lifetime of learning. http://www.lunarmonthly.com/zines/tlm/leaf/goddess-finding.pdf |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 27-Jan-2004, 03:22 PM | ||
hehehehe, That sounds GREAT!  Auntie Marywould you mind sharing which deities you worship and why? Love ya and see you soon |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 27-Jan-2004, 03:33 PM | ||
Thank you so much, I appreciate all that offer their opinions and help. Welcome to the circle. and your not the only christian who is doing what you are  |
| Posted by: RavenWing 27-Jan-2004, 04:13 PM |
| I don't really worship them, but I am connected to Isis, Rhiannon, Horus, Loki, and Kali. BTW - I don't mind you calling me auntie, but you may have a problem calling someone who is only 25 auntie.  |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 28-Jan-2004, 11:29 AM |
| ok, Worship is the wrong word, but I couldn't think of another one that would get my meaning across. Oops! LOL, Nope,my Best Friend (Raven Whitefang) is almost 10 years my junior ! She is 25 also, Go figure that. I had to wait for her to be born!!! So it is ok to have deities that you are connected to from several different ummm......regions??? |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 28-Jan-2004, 11:31 AM | ||
DANANN!! WHERE ON THE FACE OF MOTHER GAIA HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING??????? *HUUUGLES TIGHTLY* |
| Posted by: RavenWing 28-Jan-2004, 12:14 PM | ||
In my book, it is perfectly ok. One can't help who they are connected to. Some people may disagree. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 31-Jan-2004, 12:19 AM |
| Is there any one else who has information or theries? I am open to what every one has to say. If this seems like a private conversation between 2 people , It's not, Not many of you have answered my questions. A few of you have answered them to a point where it makes me think and ask more questions. |
| Posted by: Aaediwen 31-Jan-2004, 01:51 PM |
| If one wants to truely know something about anything, then they should always forst know what questions they are asking, Rider. I learned the hard way, that if you just ask for general information, then that is exactly what you will get. In High school, I aimlessly read anything I could find about trains. I can now tell you that the Tom Thumb in 1831 was where it started, and the John Bull was the first locomotive with a leading truck. I can also tell you that until the invention of the automatic knuckle couplers used today, many railroad workers were mamed or killed while trying to put the trains together. In the end, none of this information actually means anything. It means nothing, because it does not answer a question. You will, hopefully, always have questions about anything you seek to know more about, the trick then, is to ask that question to the right souls who might have your answer. don't be general, be specific on exactly what do you want to know. If you don't ask exactly what you want to know, then you only get trivia in the end. In this case, perhaps you asked the wrong way. try changing the question to lead the answers =) |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 01-Feb-2004, 10:11 PM |
| Aaediwen, I have asked several questions so far in this thread, are you sure you read the whole thing? If you did then can you answer the questions I have asked?  |
| Posted by: Aaediwen 02-Feb-2004, 06:38 PM |
| Appologies, M'lady. I didn't recall beyond the initial question. indeed, it has been a while since I actually read through the thread. perhaps I should do so again. That or stay out of it. |
| Posted by: maisky 03-Feb-2004, 07:37 AM |
| The latest goddess is Aon Doanna, the self proclaimed goddess of evil. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 05-Feb-2004, 09:44 AM |
| No Aaed, please don't stay out of it, I'de like to hear what you have to say. Maisky (lmao) the only Goddess of Evil I recognize is Raven Whitefang... now that woman is evil and my best Friend too. hehehehe |
| Posted by: MDF3530 05-Feb-2004, 04:17 PM |
| <----throwing in his .02 ... I think that whenever choosing your Higher Power, whatever name He/She/It has, that that choice can only be made from the heart, not the head. Research different practices, and then go with your instinct. |
| Posted by: maisky 05-Feb-2004, 08:49 PM | ||
A rose by any other name..... |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 17-Feb-2004, 02:02 AM | ||
you make a great point, or maybe I should simply stop TRYING to find it /them /he /she. |
| Posted by: Jaxom 05-Mar-2004, 04:44 PM |
| Light a candle and sit yourself down in front of it. put on some soothing music and with a clean sheet of paper write you wish down. Something like this: Mindful of the goodness of the earth and the gifts that are given to me. I call upon the Divine for guidance. May the Divine assist my footsteps towards my true path. May the Divine show me their true nature and form. May the Divine reveal their joyus name that I may draw closer to them. May the Divine grant me the ability to carry out my work, both wisely and well. Blessed Be the Divine Power that I call upon and may my true vocation be made clear. Meditate upon what you have written. Next either put out the candle by snuffing it or let it burn out. Place the paper with the wishes under your pillow and sleep on it. Your search may take time but it will bare fruit in time. Brightest Blessings in your search Jaxom |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 11-Mar-2004, 10:41 AM |
| Thanks Jaxom, It certainly can not hurt to try it. |
| Posted by: Jaxom 13-Mar-2004, 12:31 AM |
| Angel You are most welcome and I wish you well in your search. May you find a light to guide you in your true path. BB Jax |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 15-Mar-2004, 02:44 AM |
| Thank you Jax, May the Lord and Lady Light your Path to the pure bliss of knowledge. Blessed Be I know several of you and others I don't know all that well. I am going to ask you all for your prayers, spells, or how ever you choose to do what you do, for my husband Jason. He is in a dreadful depression and feels that he is worthless. I have talked with him for months about this and have been sending him positive energy, his business is failing and I feel it has alot to do with a negative spirit that has been placed upon him, we have saged the house and the office but to no apparent avail. We have done a Black Candle Cleansing, I am still boiling herbs on a daily basis and meditating. If any of you would be willing to help me in this situation I would be eternally grateful. May the Goddess Bless you in all you do Humbly, Angel |
| Posted by: RavenWing 15-Mar-2004, 05:29 PM |
| I am no medicine woman, so all I hve to go from here is my own experiences. I think you have done all you can, dear. He is at the point where he has to want to get better. Bopiing herbs and meditating can only go so far if he doesnlt want to get better. He will have to do it himself, and nobody else can make it better for him. Have you suggested visiting a counselor? Even as a couples thing at first, it may get his foot in the door. And above all be supportive! |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 16-Mar-2004, 01:17 AM |
| yes I have suggested that and he has refused, I have been supportive of him for almost 20 years, I doubt my love for him would let me stop now. I'm just lost at the moment I guess on what to do.First the cancer, now this.......Can I scream and leap off a Building in to a pale of cold water to wake up from all of this??? |
| Posted by: Dreamer1 20-Mar-2004, 03:18 PM |
| I'll keep you both in my prayers. Will he at least go talk with his doctor? Maybe this is a hormonal imbalance, or other chemical deficiency/imbalance that could be addressed? Keep trying. We're all thinking of you. Dreamer1 |
| Posted by: Dreamer1 26-Mar-2004, 07:56 PM |
| Angel, How is Jason? How are you doing? Still thinking of you both. |
| Posted by: Shadows 26-Mar-2004, 08:12 PM |
| I have not had the time to wade back through all of this, but if a deity is what you are looking for to help with a particular problem, then I say look within! I am not being crass or evasive... everyting comes from within and being in tune with self has the power to show you the path that is meant to be followed. The creator is within all life and speaks in soft whispers! |
| Posted by: Shadows 26-Mar-2004, 08:26 PM |
| Ah I see now I missed the mark! Spells and indirect magick will not do here! A person that has seemed to give up requires special treatment. You must gather some of the most cherished belongings, a few of the closest friends that believe, and hold circle. All the energy of the circle must focus on the person. If there is any negative energy present the circle will fail. Have all think real hard and focus the positive energy of all invloved to channel to the intended. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 07-Apr-2004, 07:33 AM | ||
hey there, We are doing ok. Making it day by day. Thanks everyone for your support during this hard time. I think you will all be pleased to know that I have found my Deities. All of your words helped open my innerself to the truth of it all. Thank you SHadows for your true words & Jax, Your suggestion did help & got me in the frame of mind I needed to be in to actually hear the answer. *sends big huggs to each of you* Thank you so very much for every thing! muchlove,  |
| Posted by: RavenWing 07-Apr-2004, 02:18 PM |
| Yay!!! May I be nosy and ask which ones they are? I am glad you are doing better. I wish I could have been more of a help to you in the process, but I am so glad that Shadows and Jax we able to help. ((((HUGS)))) and congrats! |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 08-Apr-2004, 06:59 AM |
| LOL, of course you can be "Nosey" and ask! They are Diana & Isis both warrior Goddesses with true hearts of caring & Morigane . |
| Posted by: RavenWing 08-Apr-2004, 11:06 AM |
| That's great! |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 08-Apr-2004, 10:08 PM |
| how I wound up with The Morrigan I don't know (sorry, misspelled it in the previous post) now I just need to learn more about them. |
| Posted by: Dedalus 13-May-2004, 12:04 AM | ||
I think mine didn't find me yet, but I'm not willing to be found maybe. In Poland it's hard to be pagan - it's considered freakish maybe. Still no religion yet has been good for me - each puts restrictions I hate. Especially christainity, which I consider, sorry if I offend anyone, paranoic. but that's only my view. so still I'm to be found  |
| Posted by: Dedalus 13-May-2004, 12:19 AM | ||||||
I think it's a typical monotheistic view. I wouldn't care about that if I shold have to find harmony. And about knowing whether you've been found? Sorry , but it could be like with Morpheus - you find a god and he tells you he's been looking for you all your life  sounds weird, but if you can feel that.... good for you. |
| Posted by: Angel Whitefang (Rider) 28-May-2004, 07:33 AM |
| Nicely put ! |
| Posted by: Sėmeag 26-Feb-2009, 05:51 PM | ||
Is it necessary you find a deity? How much journeywork have you undertaken to find them? I keep my relationship with them to myself, except when needing to verify UPG. I found my deities a long time ago when I first started journeying. It wasn't, however, until two years ago that I realised why they had withheld their names. I was searching in the wrong pantheon. I had thought I was heathen, but my gods belong to the celtic/brythonic realm rolleyes: and, had it not been a chance encounter with a supposed tramp during a journey and my mention of him, I would never have known who they all were.  |
| Posted by: marthien 26-Feb-2009, 08:05 PM |
| If the deities fell that you are ready for them to make themselves known to you, trust me when I say that you will know it... It took me almost a year before Kuan Yin made herself known to me. |