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Posted: 03-Jul-2009, 06:42 AM
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First you paid to insure your car. Soon you may have to add health insurance premiums to that stack of monthly bills as well.

In a new health care system as planned by senators, people would be required to carry health insurance just like auto owners must carry auto insurance now. The government would provide help for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face fines of more than $1,000.

It is sheer stupidity to invoke this level os spending and tax now and again those hurt the most will be the least able to absorb the loss. So much for the Democrat party being the "peoples" party!

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QUOTE (Patch @ 03-Jul-2009, 08:42 AM)
First you paid to insure your car. Soon you may have to add health insurance premiums to that stack of monthly bills as well.

In a new health care system as planned by senators, people would be required to carry health insurance just like auto owners must carry auto insurance now. Senate health care plan now. The government would provide help for the poor and many middle-class families, but those who still refuse to sign up would face fines of more than $1,000.

It is sheer stupidity to invoke this level os spending and tax now and again those hurt the most will be the least able to absorb the loss. So much for the Democrat party being the "peoples" party!

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The Democrat party is still the "Peoples Party", you just have to be very specific with your definition of who the "People" are. unfortunately most of us don't fall under the definition.


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I believe most of the people then must live in Washington DC!

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Posted: 03-Jul-2009, 03:22 PM
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The plan as you described is stupid. Even here where we have Socialized Medicine you are not forced to get a Health Card. No Health Card you have to pay. It's your choice.


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This is socialism American style.

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If this is American Socialism no wonder it is feared so much. Smacks more of authoritarianism.


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Though humorous, sadly, these are insightful observations by brilliant individuals over many years!

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This morning I read an article in the Globe and Mail concerning Health care in both our countries. The article dealt with the politics of Medicare and how politicians on both sides of the border use each others system to scare the populace into either having socialized medicine or not. Congress and the Medical Profession tell tales of
poor quality care, not being able to choose your Doctor and the flight of Medical professionals from Canada to the U.S. We on the other hand say " The Yanks check your wallet before your pulse. The poor are pushed to the back of the line to await charity and American Doctors are more businessmen than Practictioners of Medicine. The truth of course lies in between. We have private Health care as a supplement to the National Health Care system and as I stated before nobody forces you to get a Health Card and you are allowed to choose your own Doctor if you can find one because we have a shortage of them. Our system works for Canada because it is what the people want. You on the other hand have to work out what kind of system you want, Private, Socialized, or a combination of both. No matter what system is chosen it is going to be expensive just as our system takes up a large portion of the annual budget. Getting sick isn't cheap.


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QUOTE (Camac @ 04-Jul-2009, 10:44 AM)
.....Our system works for Canada because it is what the people want.....


Sometimes what the people want (or think it is what they want) and what is best for them are two different things. Government ran healthcare is just another way for the government to control its citizens (whether it's voluntary or coerced).

QUOTE (Camac @ 04-Jul-2009, 10:44 AM)
.....you are allowed to choose your own Doctor if you can find one because we have a shortage of them.....


Could the shortage of doctors and the type of healthcare system our friends to the north have, have anything to do with each other? unsure.gif
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The reason for the shortage of Doctors stems from the Harris Conservative Government in Ontario a few years back. Harris and his people cut back spending on just about every proram they could find including cuts to Universities. Since Ontario has the largest population it needs more Doctors and Harris cut funding to all the Medical Universities thus cutting the number of openings in the Medical Programs. With the shortage of Doctors graduating in Ontario it affected the whole country and now we are paying for it. What is really putting the crunch on now is that all the baby-boom Doctors are retiring enmasse. Harris is now one of the most disliked Premiers we have ever had. The Health Care system is not to blame as Doctors are extremely well paid and even have the right to strike witholding all but essenstial and emergency services.

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QUOTE (MacEoghainn @ 03-Jul-2009, 08:19 AM)

The Democrat party is still the "Peoples Party", you just have to be very specific with your definition of who the "People" are. unfortunately most of us don't fall under the definition.

Define "us." smile.gif
No, seriously, define "us."
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Up here in the Great White North, Democrats equate to Liberals which is why when ever you have a Democrat for President and we have a Liberal Prime Minister, relations between the two of us is usually pretty good. Same goes if you have a Repuplican and we have a Conservative. Liberals are for big Government, big spending and tax the hell out of everyone (not to the extent that the Socialist would) to pay for all the programs the people want. The Conservatives are for less government, less taxes, and turn the country over to the corporate bosses on Bay Street ( our Wall Street). Oh yeah, the Conservatives don't like the Gun Registration Laws, nor the Human Rights Commission.

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Down here we also have conservative democrats (blue dog democrats) and liberal republicans (RINO's) When I first voted, D's were liberal and R's were conservative. Ballots had a box to check to vote a "party line" ticket if one wished. As I recall, the boxes had an elephant in one and a donkey in the other for those who could not read. Now, at least in the states where I have worked, the person must check each candidate. John F. Kennedy today would be considered right wing as everything has moved to the left. We have various levels of conservatism. There is the religious right which is pretty radical for me, then my party, the Constitutional Conservatives and the libertarians then the old republican party which is now pretty liberal (since Newt Gengrich)

It is a fine mess we are now in! We need a score card.

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Democrats health care bills won't meet obamas goal of slowing the rapid rise of medical costs, congress budget umpire warned on Thursday. Thus giving weight to critics who say the legislation could break the bank.

The sobering assessment from Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf came as house democrats pushed to pass a partisan bill through committees. In the Senate a small group of lawmakers continued to seek a deal that could win support from both political parties.

If we can not afford the present medicare/medicaid system, we certainly can not afford obamas scheme. Since there are price controls built into medicare and medicaid the new plan would have little effect. I use a teaching facility for my medical needs and they have plenty of room in their hospitals now. There is little wait for appointments and different departments are fighting for my business. That will bring prices down. When supply exceeds demand cost goes down. That is capitalism!

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