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| Posted by: Catriona 13-Feb-2003, 03:26 AM |
| An official study in Scotland says that the number of Gaelic speakers in Scotland has fallen below 60,000. This is a further decline in native speakers. Apart from a few well-known phrases, my Gaelic is pretty non-existent, although my Dad was a native speaker and it was my paternal Grandparents' first language. This is why I am a passionate advocate for the preservation of Lallans/Doric/Auld Scots. I feel it is sad when ANY native language dies out. |
| Posted by: Cabbagehome 13-Feb-2003, 08:16 AM |
| I agree! It is like a part of their history goes. In a way it does, because the part, that was oral history is gone. The translation, lots of times, leaves out the feel and total meaning of the words. |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 18-Feb-2003, 12:15 PM |
| it makes me very sad indeed to see the numbers of the survey, considering the fact that this is the number of Scots learning their own language. It s such a wonderful one, and one of the oldest spoken. But what do ye expect of a people who have been told for nearly half a century that its a language of traitors, of myths and tales and one without future? In my eyes (even tho i m "just" an immigrated Scot) its not very surprising. Theres only a small number of young Gaelic learners and speakers here on Skye, tho ye find quite a few Gaelic speakers around and they are happy enough to speak it, even with a mere beginner like me. And I do believe in the potential of this lovely language. There are a lot of jobs for Gaelic speakers up here and a considerable effort is put into keeping the language alive. There are G. playgroups and youth clubs, as well as evening classes. There are services in G. and road signs as well. Loads of songs and quite a few new members at the new members night of Coisir Gaidhlig Sgire Port Righ, the Gaelic choir (who got in second place at last years MOD btw). So there is interest, even tho it might not be as big as desired and desirable. And btw theres also the Cùrsa Inntrigidh which has quite a few young learners from Scotland. Needless to say that I ll do everything for the language, to keep it alive. I am very interested in the BA course of SMO in Sleite in the South of the Island, hoping to do something for the survival of the language. Please believe in your language, believe in your country, its history and people! And most of all , believe in yerself!! Cùm Gaidhlig am beò! |
| Posted by: Joe C 18-Feb-2003, 05:06 PM | ||
I agree, it is sad. Pity we couldn't get someone on line to give us some lessons. Even if we only learn a little, it'll still keep the language alive. |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 19-Feb-2003, 07:55 AM |
| feasgar math a h-uile duine air rithist (fesgar ma a h-uele duenje er riisht) - good afternoon altogether again! For Gaelic lessons have a look at following wbsites: http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk - sabhal mor ostaig, colaisde Gaidhlug na h-Alba; Scotlands Gaelic college; they have online lessons based on the Speaking our language material http://www.scotsgaelic.co.uk - they have various webrings and messageboards and info on gaelic songs and lessons http://www.internetradio.co.uk - the Scottish internet radio station, they have got fairly good and amusing Gaelic lessons ; with nice songs in between And to get ye started heres a few phrases feasgar math (fe(german e as Esel)sge(its the schwa sound which sounds a bit yuk)r ma - good afternoon/evening madainn mhath (ma ding va)- good morning ciamar a tha thu/ sibh (kjamar a ha oo/ sheiv or shiv) - how are you (towards an older person or a group of people) tha mi gu math (ha mi goo ma) - i am well chan eil mi dona (chan jel mi dona) - i am not bad meadhan mhath (meeagan va) - middling tha mi ag ionnsachadh Gaidhlig (ha mi ag joosachoo gahlic) - i am learning Gaelic chan eil mi a tuigsinn (chan jel mi a tue(similar to german ü sound)gshinn can(naibh) sin air rithist (kan(ev) shin air riisht) - say that again mas e ur/do thoil e (ma se uer/do) hol e - please tapadh leibh/ leat (ta pe leiv/laht) - thank you bruidhinn(aibh) gu slaodach (bruejinn(iv) goo slooodach) - speak slowly de tha ... ag radh ann an Gaidhlig/ Beurla (dje ha ... ag ra aun an Gahlic/ Bjeoorla) - what does ... mean in Gaelic/ English tha mi ag iarraidh glainne uisge beatha (ha mi ag jerri glanje ueshge baeha) - i want a glass of whisky s e an pathadh orm ( she (german e) an pahag orm) - i am thirsty s e an t-acras orm (she an tacras orm) - i am hungry seinn oran ùr (shein oran uer) - sing a new song !!!! Have fun learning Gaelic and hope to see ye soon in our Gaelic chatroom http://chat.msn.com/chatrom?msnwrm=Gaidhlig&pps=k We are meeting every night round 10.00 pm MET. Chi mi sibh air rithist an sin (chi mi sheev air riisht an shin - i will see ye there!) |
| Posted by: Catriona 19-Feb-2003, 09:00 AM |
| Hello, FotW I DO believe in my people and my culture!  BUT, Gaelic is not my 'native' language..... as I said, my Dad was a native speaker, but I was born a lowlander.... Gaelic was never widely spoken in the lowlands/borders area..... That is why I am passionately attached to Lallans, rather than Gaelic...More power to those who want to learn, though!  |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 19-Feb-2003, 10:50 AM |
| Hi Catriona, a Chatriona I should say hehe, Gaidhlig is My big passion lol as ye might have gathered hehe. Hope ye still have a go at it ; its well worth it. and for all those who want to have a go, i think another phrase may come in handy: tha mo cheann na brochan (ha mo cheeaun na brochan) - I am confused (my head is a porridge!) (:D) |
| Posted by: Catriona 19-Feb-2003, 05:40 PM |
| FotW As I've said, I've really got no interest in the Gaelic..... Lallans is MY passion!  |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 24-Feb-2003, 08:03 AM |
| There might be some other people interested in Learning Gaidhlig (')') And they re most welcome to it. The language is melodious, as anybody of ye will know and it s really not as hard as people say. Hebrew and Greek are much harder lol! Joe, dont u wanna have a go (' ') |
| Posted by: RavenWing 24-Feb-2003, 11:44 AM |
| I would love to learn. |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 28-Feb-2003, 04:15 PM |
| Tis me again just to mention on 6th March there will be a second hearing of the language bill in the Scottish Parliament. Its to give Gaelic secure status which means to put it on a similar level as Welsh and English. That of course would mean more funds and more promotion of the language. It would be great if some of ye could write to yer local MSPs and the Ministe for Gaelic, Education and Sport, Mike Watson, who refused the bill in the first hearing (!). Make it clear how important a Gaelic language bill is at this stage and help the language survive! If you dont give your support it wont! And I doubt very much that any of you really wants that. If ye need e-mail adresses of yer MSPs or of Mike Watson i ve got them. Ye ll find me e-mail adress in my profile. Thanks for yer support. |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 07-Mar-2003, 09:50 AM |
| in danger of nerving people again on this topic but i just cant keep quiet on this. I ve got to shout it out! We have made it through the first stage yeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaah Yesterday the revised Gaelic language bill of Mike Russel, MSP for Southern Scotland (SNP), was accepted unanimously (!) in a second reading. Wow they made it - it didnt take them that long actually . seen the end of the debate and decision time on the web. There wasn t even a vote on it lol. Everybody agreed - including Monsieur Minister. I think in the end he had no choice lol. But - aye i am happy and relieved indeed Maybe we gonna make it out of the cellar and a living language again ... Its well worth it |
| Posted by: maggiemahone1 07-Mar-2003, 10:51 AM |
| That is great news, FloweroftheWest! I'm glad that the Gaelic language will not die out. I wish I knew how to speak it, maybe one day will find time to take lessons. I believe some people just have a gift for different languages and I'm not one of them! maggiemahone1 |
| Posted by: baldpiper 07-Mar-2003, 01:45 PM |
| Great news. I'm glad they'll retain the language. |
| Posted by: Catriona 07-Mar-2003, 06:01 PM |
| So few of us are Gaelic speakers that I really wish that the same enthusiasm was given to Lallans, Doric and Auld Scots. more of us use those 'languages' than use the Gaelic. Gaelic has not been a general language in Scotland for nearly 400 years. I think all the Scottish 'languages' should be supported. How many Scots actually have the Gaelic? I think I read recently that it is less than 4 per cent of the population... And, just to prove that 'Scots' is taken seriously, here is the URL for Edinburgh University's Scottish courses...! http://www.arts.ed.ac.uk/englang/scots.html |
| Posted by: Joseph 07-May-2003, 07:18 PM |
| What is the difference between Scottish and Irish Gaelic? |
| Posted by: Catriona 08-May-2003, 02:10 AM |
| I am not a Gaelic speaker - but this site may give you a place to start reading about similarities/differences between Scots and Irish Gaelic... http://www.ibiblio.org/gaelic/canan.html |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 11-May-2003, 09:22 AM |
| I am not a linguist as such, Joseph, tho i am a keen Gaelic learner and supporter. But theres some historic background to the similarities tho i am not sure about the exact dates. At one time some of the Irish kings held some land in Scotland, the name was Dalriada. I think it must have been in north Argyll or south Knoydart. Catriona might know that better than i do. Interestingly, the legend of Dèirdre relates to this irish-scottish link ... Anyway, there ye are lol. not much but a bit. Och aye, and theres mainly difference in writing (prob in pronounciation as well but i usually can figure out a bit when i see it written and it is not too complicated). Tioraidh an-drasda. |
| Posted by: Keltic 21-May-2003, 12:32 PM |
| An interesting article concerning Microsoft including Scottish Gaelic in it's spell check. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,58778,00.html |
| Posted by: free2Bme 21-May-2003, 01:59 PM |
| If you can't get a copy of the Scottish Spell Checker, maybe you can get your hands on a pirated copy of the Scottish Windows 98... Scottish Windows '98 |
| Posted by: Scotlandlover 08-Aug-2003, 09:19 AM |
Hello FloweroftheWest and the others  I really would like to learn Scottish Gaelic, I begin alone with the ressources of the Net (some are the same that you gave), but it's hard to be alone (and french ! lol) ! Can you teach me some little things ? please ??!!! |
| Posted by: FloweroftheWest 08-Aug-2003, 12:48 PM |
( ) Great, Scotlandlover  ! yeah sure i can lol, at least i can try. ye can find me e-mail adress at my website (http://mysite.freeserve.com/tirnanog) or in my profile here. on me website u ll find some more information on Gaidhlig (in contrast to the Irish Gèillge) and on Gaelic resources. Allways open and willing to help u along Fàilte gun Ghàidhligj! n.b.: recommend website of sàbhal mòr Ostaig , the scottish college in the South of Skye, (www.smo.uhi.ac.co.uk), they also have links to other sites concerned with learning Gàidhlig. |
| Posted by: Scotlandlover 08-Aug-2003, 12:54 PM |
| 'S math sin ! Ceart gu leòr ! Mòran taing !!! See you very soon |