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| Posted by: MDF3530 04-Jun-2004, 10:59 PM |
| The following is a release from filmmaker Michael Moore's website, MichaelMoore.com: Fahrenheit 9/11 Opens June 25 Hey Everyone... As you may have heard by now, we finally have a distributor in America for "Fahrenheit 9/11." Actually, two of them! Lions Gate Films and IFC Films have agreed to aggressively distribute "Fahrenheit 9/11" in theaters all across the country beginning three weeks from today on Friday, June 25th. We are, needless to say, extremely grateful for their courage (trust me, no matter what the potential box office may be, anyone who has considered taking on this distribution job has also met with a lot of pressure NOT to do it in the past month). They will open it on a record number of screens for a documentary. There is no stopping it now! These are great distributors. Jon Feltheimer, the man who runs Lions Gate, was the executive in charge of the company that produced my television series, "TV Nation." And the people at IFC (which owned Bravo) were the same people responsible for funding and broadcasting my other series, "The Awful Truth." So we are in very good hands. (And, as an added bonus, Lions Gate is a Canadian company. Once again, the Canadians to the rescue! It was also a Canadian company, Salter Street Films, that produced "Bowling for Columbine." I know, it's kinda sad we have to keep depending on our good neighbors to the north. But maybe this is the year we give 'em their Stanley Cup back.) There's a lot more to tell you -- and I will write to you again over the next few days. I'm in the mood to spill some beans, much to the consternation of certain people. Oh well! Also, I have posted the trailer for "Fahrenheit 9/11" so that you can get your first glimpse at scenes from the movie--you can check it out at www.fahrenheit911.com . Thanks for all your wonderful letters of support -- they have meant a great deal to us. Save the date -- June 25! It's the first summer film where the special effects will be real... Yours truly, M-I-C (see ya real soon!) K-E-Y (why? because they can't kill this friggin' movie!) M-O-O-R-E P.S. For our fans in the rest of the world, don't worry -- you already have distributors. And most of you will also be able to see it this summer! Thanks. |
| Posted by: maisky 05-Jun-2004, 04:55 AM |
| Great public service announcement! Thanks. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 07-Jun-2004, 12:22 PM | ||
Public service announcement? Geez, I thought he was trying to scare us.  Maybe they can have it and "The Day After Tomorrow" on a double show at the $1 theatre. |
| Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 07-Jun-2004, 08:17 PM | ||
And, if they throw in free popcorn, I may stay long enough to watch the previews of coming attractions.  |
| Posted by: maisky 08-Jun-2004, 04:15 PM |
I am definitely looking forward to some "political truth" for a change. The documentary should be good, and it helps accelerate the downward slide of King George II......  |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 08-Jun-2004, 04:47 PM |
 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| Posted by: maisky 09-Jun-2004, 04:00 AM | ||
Waky waky! You might learn something. |
| Posted by: maisky 09-Jun-2004, 04:02 AM |
Everybody should watch the documentary, whether they argree with it or not. Like the famous person said: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.."  |
| Posted by: tsargent62 09-Jun-2004, 09:48 AM | ||
BAH! I don't want to be anywhere near anything that lunatic Moore produces. He's as screwed up as it gets. I can appreciate having passion for your political views, but he goes way too far with trying to push them on others. |
| Posted by: Keltic 09-Jun-2004, 10:41 AM | ||
I can't help but laugh when I see the word "documentary" along with Michael Moore's name. |
| Posted by: maisky 09-Jun-2004, 04:28 PM |
| I was being NICE by using "documentary". Exposing criminal activity is a more blunt way of putting it. |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 09-Jun-2004, 05:04 PM | ||
Brother Maisky, I begin to worry when the word "enemy" is used in reference to any of my fellow citizens (left, right, or in between). The last time that happened 970,227 of our fellow citizens were killed or wounded. Never let our political disagreements ever take us there again. |
| Posted by: maisky 09-Jun-2004, 07:25 PM | ||
Brother MacEoghainn, I agree, the word was used only in reference to the qoute.....though some from Idaho (and elsewhere) would include parts of our government in there. I'm just not one of those who would. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 10-Jun-2004, 09:12 AM |
| I wonder if there's a way I can watch this ("documentary", "left-wing propaganda", "criminal activity exposé") without giving funds to Moore? I'll look around the newsgroups to see if I can find a pirated copy to download. If I filter out Opening Credits, Ending Credits, Sound, and Factual Elements I can probably get it to fit on a 3.5" floppy. Easy download. |
| Posted by: maisky 13-Jun-2004, 08:28 AM |
| I might credit Moore's movie with causing the defeat of Bush in November, but Bush is taking care of that nicely by himself. |
| Posted by: MDF3530 19-Jun-2004, 12:03 PM |
| More from Moore... June 17, 2004 Friends, We're a week away from the nationwide opening of "Fahrenheit 9/11" and not a day goes by where we don't have some new battle to fight thanks to those who are still working overtime to keep people from seeing this film. What's their problem? Are they worried about something? A Republican PR firm has formed a fake grassroots front group called "Move America Forward" to harass and intimidate theater owners into not showing "Fahrenheit 9/11." These are the same people who successfully badgered CBS into canceling the Reagan mini-series a few months ago. And they are spending a ton of money this week to threaten movie theaters who even think about showing our movie. As of this morning, a little over 500 theaters have agreed to show the movie beginning next Friday, June 25. There are three national/regional theater chains who, as of today, have not booked the movie in their theaters. One theater owner in Illinois has reported receiving death threats. The right wing usually wins these battles. Their basic belief system is built on censorship, repression, and keeping people ignorant. They want to limit or snuff out any debate or dissension. They also don't like pets and are mean to small children. Too many of them are named "Fred." This new nut group is the Right's last hope in limiting how many people can see this movie. All of their other efforts have failed. Let's recap: 1. Roger Friedman at FOX News reported that the head of the company which first agreed to fund our film, got calls from Republican friends, pressuring them to back out. And they did. But... Miramax immediately picked up the film! Except... 2. Michael Eisner, the chairman of Disney, then blocked Miramax (a company owned by Disney) from releasing the film once it was finished. But... public attention and embarrassment forced Disney to let the Weinstein brothers of Miramax find another distributor! But... 3. Instead of a new distributor stepping right in -- as all the media predicted would happen -- it took another month to find distributors who would take on this movie. A number of other distributors, thanks to various pressures, were afraid to get involved. It looked for a while that we would be distributing this ourselves. But then Lions Gate and IFC Films rode in to the rescue! So, we have beaten back all attempts to kill this movie, and the only thing in the way of you now seeing "Fahrenheit 9/11" is this Republican big-money front group trying to force theaters not to show the movie. Please, contact your local theaters and let them know you want to see "Fahrenheit 9/11." Tell them that some people don't know that this is America and that we believe in freedom of speech and the importance of ALL voices being heard. (The members of MoveOn.org-an ACTUAL grassroots organization-have done a very cool thing. They are pledging to send a message to theater owners and are planning to attend a showing of the film on its opening weekend.) I appreciate their efforts, but you don?t have to be a member of MoveOn to help stop this effort to keep "Fahrenheit 9/11" from making it to screens across the country. If a theater in your area is planning to show the film, just give them a call and thank them for standing up for the freedom of speech. If your local theater isn't showing the film, call them and let them know that you would like to see it and you'd like them to show it. The White House and their minions in our media have presented one distorted version of the truth after another for the past four years. All we are asking for is the right to show what they HAVEN'T shown us, the real truth. The truth that ain't pretty (and is, sadly, damningly hilarious). On top of all this, the MPAA gave the film an "R" rating. I want all teenagers to see this film. There is nothing in the film in terms of violence that we didn't see on TV every night at the dinner hour during the Vietnam War. Of course, that's the point, isn't it? The media have given the real footage from Iraq a "cleansing" -- made it look nice, easy to digest. Mario Cuomo has offered to be our lawyer in appealing this ruling by the MPAA. Frankly, I would like to think the MPAA is saying that the actions by the Bush administration are so abhorrent and revolting, we need to protect our children from seeing what they have done. In that case, the film should be rated NC-17! However it turns out, I trust all of you teenagers out there will find your way into a theater to see this movie. If the government believes it is OK to send slightly older teenagers to their deaths in Iraq, I think at the very least you should be allowed to see what they are going to draft you for in a couple of years. Finally, some very sophisticated individuals have been hacking into and shutting down our website. It is an hourly fight to keep it up. We are going to find out who is doing this and we are going to pursue a criminal prosecution. I'm preparing lots of cool stuff for the site so watch for new items on it next week http://www.fahrenheit911.com and http://www.michaelmoore.com. Thanks again for your support and I hope to see you at the movies on opening night, June 25. Yours, Michael Moore |
| Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 19-Jun-2004, 04:26 PM |
| As much as I dislike Michael Moore, I dislike censorship even more--now I may have to buy a ticket just to make a statement against the heavy-handed opponents of the movie who are too foolish to realize that Mr. Moore is so out of it that his movie is unlikely to be convincing to anyone who isn't already convinced. |
| Posted by: maisky 19-Jun-2004, 08:18 PM |
| I have already pre-purchased tickets for Friday AND Saturday. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 21-Jun-2004, 10:26 AM |
| I'm going to stay home and watch George C. Scott in "Patton". |
| Posted by: maisky 21-Jun-2004, 05:02 PM | ||
Good idea! We wouldn't want you exposed to "mind opening" experiences.  I will watch it twice to cover for your absence, Brother S. Enjoy a wee dram while you watch Patton. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 23-Jun-2004, 11:28 AM | ||
I had enough "mind opening" experiences in college. Dr. Timothy Leary was right - rainbows CAN flow out of your fingers.  The company distributing filmmaker Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" says it won't reject an offer of help from Middle East terrorist organization Hezbollah. Terrorists affiliated with the Iran-backed network last week offered to help promote the film in the United Arab Emirates. The movie industry publication Screen Daily reported, "In terms of marketing the film, [distributor] Front Row is getting a boost from organizations related to Hezbollah which have rung up from Lebanon to ask if there's anything they can do to support the film." "Michael Moore dismisses Americans who are upset with his film and the impact it has in undermining support for the war against terrorism," said Melanie Morgan of the organization 'Move America Forward'. "At the same time, his distribution companies are concerned about offending the sensibilities of terrorists. That certainly gives rise to asking the question: Whose side are you on?" Tina Brown reviewed the movie for the Washington Post, saaying, "In Moore's version of Iraq nobody was hanging from a meat hook in Saddam Hussein's jails. Baghdad was a happy city where children frolicked in the streets until boom! we blew them away." So Fahrenheit 9/11 is getting distribution assistance from Hezbollah. Why doesn't that surprise me? That would certainly make me proud to be in attendance. |
| Posted by: MDF3530 23-Jun-2004, 08:00 PM |
| I just checked out Move America Forward's web site and found one big direct contradiction. Here's the text of the "About Us" page: ABOUT MOVE AMERICA FORWARD Move America Forward is a non-partisan, not-for-profit organization committed to supporting America?s efforts to defeat terrorism and supporting the brave men and women of the Armed Forces. OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS & STAFF The Honorable Howard Kaloogian ? Chairman The Honorable Howard Kaloogian served as a Republican Member of the California State Assembly from 1994-2000. Kaloogian was selected as Assistant Republican Leader, where he led the fight for smaller government and lower taxes. Assemblyman Kaloogian went on to make history when he launched the Recall Gray Davis Committee (www.RecallGrayDavis.com), an effort which ousted Democrat Governor Gray Davis from office and resulted in the election of Arnold Schwarzenegger to the governor?s office. Davis was the first statewide elected official recalled in California?s history. Considering Ronald Reagan to be one of his political heroes, Kaloogian agreed to lead the Defend Reagan Committee (www.DefendReagan.org). He led hundreds of thousands of Reagan supporters across America to fight against the smear campaign waged against Reagan by CBS, Viacom and Showtime with their anti-Reagan production, ?The Reagans.? So many Reagan supporters flooded the offices of CBS and their sponsors with complaints that the movie was cancelled on network television. A champion of Proposition 13 and taxpayer hero, Kaloogian is a leading voice for fiscal responsibility, individual freedoms and conservative values. Kaloogian has advanced the issues important to him and the people of California as a conservative radio talk show host, noted convention speaker and documentary host. He is a frequent lecturer on topics surrounding economics and the detrimental effects of over regulation and stifling levels of taxation. Melanie Morgan ? Vice Chairman Melanie Morgan has established herself as one of the leading conservative voices in the nation. Every morning Morgan shows off her intellect and wit as the co-host of San Francisco?s #1-rated drive time radio show ?The Lee Rodgers and Melanie Morgan Show? on KSFO 560 AM. Morgan has attracted a huge fan base over the course of her career as a television and radio reporter and commentator. She excels as much more than an entertainer, seeing her true mission being to inform and motivate. Melanie has been a leader for countless crusades that have left lasting changes on the political landscape. Melanie Morgan has been a leader in the ?Support the Troops? effort, speaking out against the anti-war and ?Bash America? crowd and she has rallied thousands upon thousands of Americans to support the War on Terrorism, the U.S. Military and the men and women of the armed forces. It?s because of Melanie Morgan?s leadership, resolve and passion that California reversed itself and ended use of the carcinogenic MTBE (which had been added to California gasoline at the insistence of environmentalists). When President Clinton engaged in a series of criminal acts and then tried to use his Administration to cover it up, Morgan rose up and led thousands to the streets to demand Clinton?s impeachment. Lew Uhler ? Vice Chairman Lewis K. Uhler is founder and President of the National Tax Limitation Committee, one of the nation?s leading grass roots taxpayer lobbies. With offices in Sacramento and Washington, D.C., NTLC works with the White House, Members of Congress, and legislators in states across the nation along with other grass roots organizations to limit state and federal spending through legal restrictions and constitutional change. Uhler has been at the forefront of the national movements for a Tax Limitation/Balanced Budget Amendment to the United States Constitution and for term limits. In 1968, then-Governor Ronald Reagan selected Uhler to serve on the California Law Revision Commission. In 1970, Reagan designated Uhler as the Governor?s State Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity. Subsequently, Uhler served in Reagan?s cabinet as Assistant Secretary of the Health & Welfare Agency. In 1972, Governor Reagan asked Uhler to organize and serve as Chairman of the Governor?s Tax Reduction Task Force. With the assistance of a nationwide panel of advisors (including Nobel Laureates Milton Friedman and James Buchanan), the task force developed California?s landmark Revenue Control and Limitation Act, which became a model for tax-expenditure limitation measures in many states. In 1990, Uhler was co-author of Proposition 140, California?s pioneering state term limit initiative. Under Uhler?s leadership, NTLC has forged coalitions, including "Americans for Responsible Privatization," the "Council for Retirement Security" and more recently the "Tax Cut Working Group" in Washington, which Uhler chairs with Jim Martin (60 Plus Association) and Dan Mitchell (Heritage Foundation). In 1996, Uhler participated in a symposium at the Vatican on "The Family and the Economy in the Future of Society" to explore private alternatives to welfare states worldwide. Uhler is a native Californian, a graduate of Yale University and the Boalt Hall School of Law at the University of California at Berkeley. He is a member of the California Bar and serves Of Counsel with the Newport Beach law firm of Davis, Punelli & Keathley. He and his wife, Cynthia, have four grown sons and reside in the Sacramento area. Siobhan Guiney ? Executive Director Siobhan Guiney has joined Move America Forward as Executive Director. Ms. Guiney brings with her ten years of legislative experience. She has worked as a legislative advocate fighting for the people against liberal corruption. Ms. Guiney amassed a distinguished record as a legislative staffer inside the Capitol including service to the Speaker of the Assembly; two Republican Leaders; and as Chief of Staff to several members of the Legislature. Prior to her distinguished public service, Ms. Guiney built an impressive record in the private sector. She played leadership roles in non-profit organizations and also demonstrated success as a prominent figure with several for-profit corporations. She holds a Masters Degree in Rhetoric and a B.A. in Communications. Sal Russo ? Chief Strategist Mr. Russo has spent over 30 years in the field of political consulting and public affairs beginning as a special assistant to Governor Ronald Reagan after serving as a volunteer in his 1966 gubernatorial campaign. Mr. Russo later founded his own political consulting firm, ?California Capitol Consultants? in 1976. Sal Russo has been at the forefront of some of the most prominent national, state and local campaigns in the nation including the election of Governor George Deukmejian (1982), Senator Alfonse D?Amato, New York (1992), Governor George Pataki, New York (1994), presidential bids by Jack Kemp and Senator Orrin Hatch. Mr. Russo has been called on several times to provide consulting in other national elections, including the election of Violetta Chamorro in Nicaragua, and in 1991, Mr. Russo conducted the media campaign for the successful referendum on Ukranian independence. Mr. Russo is a recognized expert in state and national politics, and his analyses are widely reported by the national media. Mr. Russo holds a B.A. in Government from California State University, Sacramento, and a J.D. from McGeorge School of Law. He has recently served on the Board of Directors of the International Association of Political Consultants. |
| Posted by: peckery 23-Jun-2004, 10:33 PM |
I like the fact that so many of us are critisizing it with out the benefit of even seeing it. How republican of you  |
| Posted by: maisky 24-Jun-2004, 07:14 AM |
| Early showings "show" promise. News > Midsized Companies 'Fahrenheit' turns on box office heat Michael Moore's anti-Bush film breaks the single-day records at the two New York theaters. June 24, 2004: 6:46 AM EDT LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Director Michael Moore's controversial documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" turned on the box office heat in its first day in theaters breaking single-day records at the two New York City theaters where it played. The movie, which aims a critical eye at President Bush and his prosecution of the war in Iraq, sold $49,000 worth of tickets at the Loew's Village 7 theater, beating the venue's single-day record of $43,435 held by 1997's "Men in Black," according to distributors Lions Gate Films and IFC Films. At the Lincoln Plaza theater, "Fahrenheit 9/11" took in more than $30,000 to top the $24,013 set by "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" in 2000. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 24-Jun-2004, 09:08 AM | ||
Oh certainly, Ms. Morgan is a conservative; that I shall not dispute. The question is can you dispute that the company distributing "Fahrenheit 9/11" says it won't reject an offer of help from the Middle East terrorist organization Hezbollah? Hezbollah and "Fahrenheit 9/11" - strange bedfellows. Or not so strange. --- The Reverend Peckery makes an excellent statement: "I like the fact that so many of us are critisizing it with out the benefit of even seeing it. How republican of you." I especially liked the 'republican' part. I haven't seen it. I won't see it (if it doesn't have Captain Kirk in it I usually don't bother, but that's another story ). Therefore I cannot review it.So, in honor of "fair and balanced" I offer this: (1.) Christopher Hitchens is a card-carrying liberal, and he freely admits to such. (2.) Slate.com is widely accepted to be a liberal online magazine. (3.) Christopher Hitchens wrote an article for Slate.com. We'll call this a Double Liberal article. So what does he say? You read it for yourself at http://politics.slate.msn.com/id/2102723/ , but I'll give you some highlights: "With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl." "To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery." "He prefers leaden sarcasm to irony and, indeed, may not appreciate the distinction. In a long and paranoid (and tedious) section at the opening of the film, he makes heavy innuendoes about the flights that took members of the Bin Laden family out of the country after Sept. 11. I banged on about this myself at the time and wrote a Nation column drawing attention to the groveling Larry King interview with the insufferable Prince Bandar, which Moore excerpts. However, recent developments have not been kind to our Mike. In the interval between Moore's triumph at Cannes and the release of the film in the United States, the 9/11 commission has found nothing to complain of in the timing or arrangement of the flights. And Richard Clarke, Bush's former chief of counterterrorism, has come forward to say that he, and he alone, took the responsibility for authorizing those Saudi departures. This might not matter so much to the ethos of Fahrenheit 9/11, except that?as you might expect?Clarke is presented throughout as the brow-furrowed ethical hero of the entire post-9/11 moment." "A film that bases itself on a big lie and a big misrepresentation can only sustain itself by a dizzying succession of smaller falsehoods, beefed up by wilder and (if possible) yet more-contradictory claims." "In spite of the film's loaded bias against the work of the mind, you can grasp even while watching it that Michael Moore has just said, in so many words, the one thing that no reflective or informed person can possibly believe: that Saddam Hussein was no problem. No problem at all." "Moore has announced that he won't even appear on TV shows where he might face hostile questioning. I notice from the New York Times of June 20 that he has pompously established a rapid response team, and a fact-checking staff, and some tough lawyers, to bulwark himself against attack. He'll sue, Moore says, if anyone insults him or his pet." "I think we can agree that the film is so flat-out phony that "fact-checking" is beside the point. And as for the scary lawyers?get a life, or maybe see me in court. But I offer this, to Moore and to his rapid response rabble. Any time, Michael my boy. Let's redo Telluride [an onstage debate with Michael Moore]. Any show. Any place. Any platform. Let's see what you're made of." "If Michael Moore had had his way, Slobodan Milosevic would still be the big man in a starved and tyrannical Serbia. Bosnia and Kosovo would have been cleansed and annexed. If Michael Moore had been listened to, Afghanistan would still be under Taliban rule, and Kuwait would have remained part of Iraq. And Iraq itself would still be the personal property of a psychopathic crime family, bargaining covertly with the slave state of North Korea for WMD. You might hope that a retrospective awareness of this kind would induce a little modesty. To the contrary, it is employed to pump air into one of the great sagging blimps of our sorry, mediocre, celeb-rotten culture. Rock the vote, indeed." |
| Posted by: maisky 24-Jun-2004, 03:55 PM |
| I LOVE the way the "conservative" side has tried to stifle and censor the film......They have GUARANTEED that 10 times as many people will see it as if they had ignored it. Bush is going away, hah hah, ho ho, he he.... |
| Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 24-Jun-2004, 06:12 PM | ||
Don't count on it. You need to remember that Bush supporters are supplying the computer hardware and software that will be "recording" and "counting" the votes. |
| Posted by: maisky 24-Jun-2004, 06:42 PM | ||
Does that mean they are honest in their vote counting, like in everything else? |
| Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 24-Jun-2004, 07:07 PM | ||
At least as honest as the case they presented to the UN. I do have some experience in the courtroom (albeit none recent), and Mr. Powell's demeanor, which strongly contrasted with his demeanor on prior occasions, suggested that he was extremely uncomfortable with the case he was presenting. Cheney gives at least the appearance of being a congenital liar. As to Bush, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld, they give every appearance of being sufficiently delusional to not know whether they are honest or not. Just an opinion, YMMV. |
| Posted by: peckery 25-Jun-2004, 08:13 AM | ||
Michael Moore is celebrating. He is on a ranch dressing and gravy binge. Anytime you say don't see this, don't do that etc it has the opposite effect. People with children should knw that. The movie will be around a little while, but doesn't have the legs to stay in theatres that long. If 60% of people can't take 5 minutes to vote, how many do you think will spend 7.50 to see a political piece when Spiderdog XII is playing one door to the left. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 25-Jun-2004, 09:45 AM | ||
Reverend Peckery just got my blood pressure up. This forum is absolutely wonderful. The lively and spirited debate among intelligent people is key to understand what is actually going on in the world. Whether you agree or disagree with Person A or Issue B is irrevelant. That you are made aware of the issues and have seen other opinions is what's important. Sean Hannity (yes, one of those evil Conservatives) occasionally takes his radio show out into the streets of New York City. He asks random people simple questions, like "Who is the President?", "Who is the Vice President", "Name 3 things Kerry wants to do", "Name 3 things Bush wants to do". The people cannot answer any of the questions. Yet they can name all of the finalists on "American Idol", or the names of Jennifer Lopez's former husbands. These people have no business voting in the first place.  |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 25-Jun-2004, 03:49 PM | ||
Amen Brother Shamalama, Amen! |
| Posted by: maisky 25-Jun-2004, 05:10 PM |
So only the "master Race" should get to vote? This sounds strangley familiar....  |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 25-Jun-2004, 06:04 PM | ||
Brother Maisky, I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't believe anyone implied (nor intended to imply) that people who are so totally uniformed as to what is going in the world should be prevented from voting.  Just that we'd all be better off if they didn't (unless you prefer elections being decided by the random votes of the uninformed, why don't we just flip a coin?). |
| Posted by: peckery 25-Jun-2004, 11:20 PM | ||
In a perfect world, stupid people wouldn't breed either. Had some fellow Americans trimming my trees this week at the estate. One guy was 28, has both eyebrows pierced twice, more tatoos than a San Quinten inmate, has EIGHT kids, yet as a fellow American he gets the same one vote as anyone else. Yes it would be nice if the forefathers had the foresight to make understanding of the issues a requirement for voting. But how could they of predicted the throbbing mass of ignorant stupidity the voters have become. Maybe Jennifer Lopez WILL be elected president someday. I weep for the future |
| Posted by: MDF3530 26-Jun-2004, 01:18 AM | ||
I watch "Hannity & Colmes" every so often on Fox "News", and for the record, I think Sean Hannity is a bright, well-spoken person. Some of the frequent neocon contributers they have, like Peggy Noonan or Ann Coulter are so far right they make him look like Michael Moore. Who is the President? George W. Bush. Who is the VP? Dick Cheney. Three things Kerry wants to do: protect the environment, serve the people, and restore the world's good faith in America. Three things Bush wants to do: Loot (foreign countries), plunder (our retirement accounts), and pillage (the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). "American Idol": Don't know and don't care. They're all what people in the enterainment business would call "talentless hacks" .J-Ho: Don't really care about her either  . |
| Posted by: maisky 26-Jun-2004, 04:34 AM | ||
I know you didn't intend that, my friend. It just sounded like it was approaching that school of thought we won't mention by name. Random votes of the uninformed? Isn't that EXACTLY what happens in congress and the senate? The Reverand Peckery? Good description! For a sock puppet, this thoughts run deep. MDF, as usual, cuts right to the core of the matter. Good work, sir! |
| Posted by: MDF3530 26-Jun-2004, 08:04 PM |
| Whether we agree with Michael Moore or not, I think we can all agree that he's this year's Al Franken Award winner, given to the person who benefits most from free publicity . As you all remember, Al Franken got a lot of free publicity for his excellent book Lies And The Lying Liars Who Tell Them. |
| Posted by: peckery 27-Jun-2004, 09:58 AM |
| Saw Fahrenheit 9/11 last night, and all I can say is wow. Everyone who comes out against the movie says it is not fair, taken out of context etc. but they are unable to dispute what is there. It's on video tape. Can anyone out there explain to this Peckery why I shouldn't believe what I saw? The connection to OBL's family, Unical-Afghanistan-natural gas pipeline connection, Haliburton not having to compete for bids...... |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 27-Jun-2004, 12:41 PM | ||
I?m hoping someone like Shamalama will jump in here (since he always has a better command of the facts than I do) but I?ll take my shot anyway. Here goes nothin?. ?Statistics don?t lie, but Statisticians do? If you change the word statistics to documents and the word statisticians to documentary film maker you will not change the logic, nor the truth of the preceding statement. In the case of Michael Moore you?re already stretching the words ?documentary film maker? in the first place. Mr. Moore is a radical with a radical agenda to promote and I know he is not above bending the facts (or for that matter making them up out of whole cloth) to match his radical world view. Since I have not seen, nor do I intend to see it (I?m as likely to watch it as I am to watch some John Birch Society propaganda film) I can not speak to the specific cases Peckery may be talking about, but I can make some general statements about a couple things he mentioned. 1) Osama Bin Laden?s family: OBL speaks for his whole family the same way Charlie Manson speaks for his, NOT! If this was in reference to the 9-11 flights of the Bin Ladens out of the US then we need to remember the person who authorized that, on his own authority, was the hero of the Democrat Party, Richard Clarke. 2) Haliburton: Haliburton gets contracts the same way from this Administration as they did from the Clintonista Administration. They are about the biggest company in the world that does what they do (and it isn?t drilling for and/or selling oil). Big companies that do business with the government continue to do business with the government no matter who runs the company or which party is in power (If you check the board of directors and major stock holders of Haliburton I?m sure you?ll find just as many rich Democrats as you find rich Republicans). If you give me enough time I'll take everything Peckery posted here on Celtic Radio and make him look like the greatest non-fiction writer who ever lived (or like a crazy sockmonkey  , he's already done that one himself  ) |
| Posted by: peckery 27-Jun-2004, 01:24 PM |
| Moore is admittedly a film maker, entertainer, but that still does not make anything less true. The democrats suck too. Moore is accused of being unamerican for pointing out the flaws in the systems (government, social) but I feel he IS being a good American by bring them to the surface for debate. As soon as anyone wants to offer proof of what he says is not true that is as well documented as what he says IS true, I will listen. |
| Posted by: maisky 27-Jun-2004, 07:48 PM |
| The first weekend results are in: LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" took in a whopping $21.8 million in its first three days, becoming the first documentary ever to debut as Hollywood's top weekend film. If Sunday's estimates hold when final numbers are released Monday, "Fahrenheit 9/11" would set a record in a single weekend as the top-grossing documentary ever outside of concert films and movies made for huge-screen IMAX theaters. Adding the film's haul at two New York City theaters where it opened Wednesday, two days earlier than the rest of the country, boosted "Fahrenheit 9/11" to $21.96 million. "Bowling for Columbine," Moore's 2002 Academy Award-winning documentary, previously held the documentary record with $21.6 million. "Fahrenheit 9/11," Moore's assault on President Bush's actions after the 2001 terrorist attacks, won the top honor at last month's Cannes Film Festival and has attracted attention from both sides in the presidential campaign. The movie has been embraced by left-wing groups, which mobilized members to see it during the opening weekend. Conservative groups sought to discourage theaters from showing it and asked the Federal Election Commission to examine its ads for potential violations of campaign-finance law regulating when commercials may feature a presidential candidate. "I want to thank all the right-wing organizations out there who tried to stop the film, either from their harassment campaign that didn't work on the theater owners, or going to the FEC to get our ads removed from television, to all the things that have been said on television," Moore said. "It's only encouraged more people to go and see it." The Wayans brothers' comedy "White Chicks," about two black FBI agents who go undercover as white debutantes, opened in second place with $19.6 million for the weekend. That pushed the total for "White Chicks" to $27.1 million since opening Wednesday. The previous weekend's No. 1 movie, "Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story," slipped to third place, taking in $18.5 million and pushing its 10-day total to $67.2 million. Steven Spielberg and Tom Hanks' "The Terminal" fell from second to fourth place with $13.9 million, raising its 10-day gross to $41.8 million. Premiering in fifth place with $13 million was the tearjerker romance "The Notebook," featuring Ryan Gosling, Rachel McAdams, James Garner and Gena Rowlands. Despite good reviews, the family film "Two Brothers," about tiger siblings separated in youth and reunited as opponents in the ring as grown cats, opened weakly at No. 9 with $6.2 million. "Fahrenheit 9/11" opened in 868 theaters, a wide release for a documentary but narrow compared to big Hollywood flicks. The film averaged $25,115 a theater, compared to $7,190 in 2,726 cinemas for "White Chicks." Distributors Lions Gate and IFC Films plan to put "Fahrenheit 9/11" into a couple of hundred more theaters this Wednesday, when competition heats up with the release of "Spider-Man 2," summer's most-anticipated movie. Lions Gate and IFC came on board after Disney refused to let subsidiary Miramax release "Fahrenheit 9/11" because of its political content. Miramax bosses Harvey and Bob Weinstein bought back the film and went looking for independent distributors. |
| Posted by: peckery 27-Jun-2004, 10:53 PM |
| I feel a TERROR ALERT upgrade coming on |
| Posted by: maisky 28-Jun-2004, 03:36 AM | ||
The Bush administration SHOULD be feeling terror... |
| Posted by: peckery 28-Jun-2004, 08:09 AM | ||
True that |
| Posted by: Raven 28-Jun-2004, 09:39 AM |
| Nothing like a film maker with an agenda While I am not a supporter of President Bush (read my treatise on Conspiracies, CFR, Skull and Bones, Secret Societies etc.) Having seen the trailers to this movie I can firmly proclaim that it is nothing more than propoganda filled with half truths no matter how true that half may be. Don't argure with me I won't have it Mikel |
| Posted by: maisky 29-Jun-2004, 03:56 AM |
| VERY GOOD Raven!! Brooking no arguments! Raven For president or maybe for king! I thought the film was dead-on accurate, just not going far enough in denouncing the Bush mafia. |
| Posted by: peckery 29-Jun-2004, 07:51 AM | ||
All the conservitive talk shows have been going ape the last few days. The best they can do is say Michael Moore is fat and twisted the facts. Not that the facts were not true, just twisted.,,I hope someone finds some good stuff on the other clown. Then Pat Paulson could finally win from beyond the grave. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 29-Jun-2004, 10:40 AM | ||
Yes, Brother MacEoghainn, I'm still alive. I've wanted to sit back and watch this thingie before jumping in. The media headlines talk about how the film is "breaking records," but really, all it broke was a single record: the best weekend opening for a "documentary." Actually, it isn't really a documentary, it's basically a slanted, political piece. We're supposed to relate this to a National Geographic special? A documentary? Nah. Between Wednesday and Sunday (the film opened in limited release on Wednesday,) box office estimates show a gross of $21,958,000, or just under $22 million. In comparison, in that same time frame, the new comedy 'White Chicks' pulled in $27,100,000. That's right, if you take Wednesday-Sunday, White Chicks is #1. It's only when you go to Friday-Sunday does Fahrenheit barely become the #1 movie, with an edge of just over $2 million. Hardly a box office bonanza, right? Of course, you wouldn't know that by the media coverage. Did you see Bowling for Columbine? Maybe you remember a six-year-old who found a gun in his mother's house and killed one of his classmates. Michael Moore told us in his film that this child was unsupervised because of welfare-to-work laws. Sounds sad, doesn't it. What didn't Moore tell you? How about the fact that the mother of this child turned him over to a relative who was running a crack house where the gun was found sitting on a bed. And Moore also didn't tell you that this child's mom admitted to beating him, sitting on him and duct-taping his arms, legs and mouth. Now why would he leave that out? Because the "whole truth" doesn't match his perceptions and aganda. He is a master of telling you what he wants you to hear, with is very different from the whole truth. Maybe you saw Moore's Roger & Me. Remember those pitiful GM workers who were being evicted from their homes? Turns out they were never even GM workers. None of this matters anyway - Spider-Man 2 gets released Wednesday, ensuring that Michael Moore's factually vacant "documentary" is hastily returned to the obscurity to which he is accustomed. If Michael Moore said that Bush turned the World Trade Center into giant magnets that attract planes, a significant number of liberals would believe him because it fits their perception. The same way that the Bible can be made to "say" anything you want it to say. The most offensive sequence in "Fahrenheit 9/11"'s long two hours lasts only a few minutes. It's Moore's file-footage depiction of happy Iraq before the Americans began their supposedly pointless invasion. You see men sitting in cafes, kids flying kites, women shopping. Cut to bombs exploding at night. What Moore presumably doesn't know, or simply doesn't care about, is that the building you see being blown up is the Iraqi Ministry of Defense in Baghdad. Not many children flew kites there. It was in a part of the city that ordinary Iraqis weren't allowed to visit. But the "image" was made that the evil Americans blew up kids flying kites. Not a lie, but not the truth. In one particularly tasteless portion of the film, Moore attempts to flag down a few congressmen and "convince" them to sign their children up for military service, thus implying that our legislators represent an "elite" who will not send their sons and daughters to die in unpopular foreign wars (a'la Vietnam). Despite the fact that no national draft has been instituted and that military service is voluntary, Moore has presented us with a half-baked half-truth. For instance, Brooks Johnson, the son of Senator Tim Johnson (a democratic senator from South Dakota), is currently serving with distinction in the 101st Airborne. Also, regardless of what you think of Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE), it's undeniable that he helped to pin the bars on his son, Beau Biden, who is a member of the Delaware Army National Guard. Although Beau isn't in the line of fire (he is currently practicing as a judge advocate), he is a military serviceman nonetheless. Another interesting fact: Attorney General John Ashcroft, defender of the much-maligned Patriot Act and punching bag of the liberal left, has a son who is currently on active duty in the Middle East. His name is Andrew Ashcroft, and he serves in the Persian Gulf aboard a navel destroyer called the USS McFaul. Did Moore mention any of this? Nope, because it doesn't fit his agenda. Not a lie, but not the truth. The book "House of Bush, House of Saud", which Moore relies on as a source for his film is in legal trouble in the UK- to the point of not being published. From Salon.com: "We've had to withdraw it for legal reasons," says an editor at Secker & Warburg, a U.K. division of Random House. "We expected we would be able to publish it with a degree of risk. But regrettably in the final analysis we decided we could not." Despite being published internationally, the much stricter libel laws in the UK (which "switch the burden of proof") have made the publisher too nervous to allow for its publication in the UK. As the publisher said: "Essentially it's been quashed." Quashed? Why? Because the text of "House of Bush, House of Saud" may not be entirely factual? Yet this is one of the cornerstones of "Fahrenheit 9/11". In "Fahrenheit 9/11" one of the many accusations made concerns the war in Afghanistan. Moore essentially implies that the reasoning for the military action was to benefit Unocal Corporation through the construction of an oil pipeline. But the company, which had planned to build the pipe in the mid-90's, gave up the project in 1998, three years before. So ANOTHER of Moore's cornerstones is not factual. Michael Moore points out that during the attacks on 9/11, President Bush remained in the Florida classroom in which he was situated for five to seven minutes after he had learned of the attacks, which is true, and independently verifiable. Moore sneeringly mentions that Bush was reading to the students from a book called My Pet Goat and uses scorn and mocking to imply that it was stupidity and incompetence that kept the President in the classroom. The 9/11 Commission disagrees: "Bush made the right decision in remaining calm, in not rushing out of the classroom," said Lee Hamilton, vice chairman of the Sept. 11 commission and a former Democratic congressman from Indiana. Only Moore and his Mooreites have a problem with the "seven minutes". George W. Bush did not sign the order for Saudis to leave the US on 9/11 As it turns out, the flights were approved by Richard Clarke- former terrorism official and author of the less than complimentary "Against all Enemies". The requests never "went any higher" than Clarke. But is Clarke mentioned? Nope. Why? Moore is particularly proud of his assertion that President Bush spent 42 percent of his first eight months in office on vacation. How he came upon that number is never explained, but Moore fans won't care if his claims are true or completely fabricated as long as the president is being pilloried. What the Critics are Saying about "Fahrenheit 9/11"? - "But the fact remains that the more you think Michael Moore is an insightful and honest person the less reason there is for the rest of us to pay attention when your lips are moving." -Jonah Goldberg, NRO - "I don't think Al Jazeera would, on a bad day, have transmitted anything so utterly propagandistic." -Christopher Hitchens, Slate - "In pure filmic terms, Fahrenheit 911 is a second-rate documentary, but it is first-rate entertainment and top-notch muckraking." - Mark Keizer, BOXOFFICE MAGAZINE - "...the sort of vitriolic exercise in paranoia that would ordinarily land its creator in therapy." -The Badger Herald, Mac Verstandig - "Paranoid left-wing propaganda from beginning to end... Moore should be proud of himself. He's made a film America-haters everywhere will love." -Fantastica Daily, Chuck O'Leary - "The left will stay left, the right will stay right and the folks on the fence will still be rational rather than blindly following this capped crusader." - Beaumont Journal, Danny Minton - "Less a documentary than a political manifesto, Moore wears his agenda like a badge of honor." -Movie Parables, Mchael Elliott - "The information here isn't necessarily new, but it is packaged in an acid-tongued way along with powerhouse visuals that drive home the filmmaker's nakedly political views." -New York Daily News, Jami Bernard - "Delightfully biased." -Compuserve, Harvey S. Karten - "Moore never tries to hide his agenda. This is a first-person, nonfiction film, not a special on the History Channel." -Roanoke Times (Virginia), Beth Jones - "A brilliantly-conceived and even more brilliantly-executed piece of propaganda." -Jam! Movies, Louis B. Hobson - "It's angry agit-prop - a brilliant blame game - and its real effectiveness as muckraking propaganda may be reflected by the outcome of the November elections." -www.susangranger.com, Susan Granger Prior to last week's Washington, D.C. premiere of "Fahrenheit 9/11," Michael Moore denied that the new documentary represents his de facto endorsement of John Kerry. "I am an Independent," the filmmaker told reporters. "I'm not a member of the Democratic party." Which is not exactly correct. New York City Board of Elections records show that Moore, 50, registered to vote in Gotham in 1992, checking off "Democratic" as his party affiliation (below you'll find a copy of his original registration form). He listed his address as the swanky Upper West Side building where he owns a multimillion dollar condominium (Moore's office is on West 57th Street). The filmmaker's New York registration remains active, though he has not voted since an October 2001 Democratic runoff election. Moore is simultaneously registered to vote in Michigan, where registrants aren't even given the option of party affiliation (so he's not an Independent there either). According to Antrim County records, Moore registered last April from his lakefront spread in northern Michigan, where he reportedly splits his time, but has yet to vote in Michigan. He transferred his drivers license to Michigan from New York around the same time, though Moore has a Volkswagen Beetle registered from his Manhattan home. I'm sure this is some kind of innocent mix-up, that Moore forgot to cancel his New York registration before signing up in Michigan. Yeah, right. Bottom line: Moore is a liberal shill. Nothing more, nothing less. |
| Posted by: birddog20002001 30-Jun-2004, 04:34 PM | ||
Wow that is kinda just like Bill O'Reiley being found out that he was a Registered Republican despite the fact that he for years said he was independent. He really tried to backpeddle out of that one. |
| Posted by: maisky 30-Jun-2004, 05:21 PM |
| Once again Brother S substitutes volume for content. Nice try! |
| Posted by: Shamalama 01-Jul-2004, 02:02 PM | ||
Aye, I use what God gave me! And, like always, if you find any inaccuracies in any of my statements please correct them; otherwise they must stand as factual (as factual as they can be considering my use of single-malt Scotch during the research ). In the name of Fair and Balanced I present the "Top Ten George W. Bush Complaints About 'Fahrenheit 9/11'" from the June 29 Late Show with David Letterman: 10. That actor who played the President was totally unconvincing 9. It oversimplified the way I stole the election 8. Too many of them fancy college-boy words 7. If Michael Moore had waited a few months, he could have included the part where I get him deported 6. Didn't have one of them hilarious monkeys who smoke cigarettes and gives people the finger 5. Of all Michael Moore's accusations, only 97% are true 4. Not sure -- I passed out after a piece of popcorn lodged in my windpipe 3. Where the hell was Spider-man? 2. Couldn't hear most of the movie over Cheney's foul mouth 1. I thought this was supposed to be about Dodgeball |
| Posted by: maisky 01-Jul-2004, 03:56 PM |
| VERY good Brother S..!!! |
| Posted by: Shamalama 09-Jul-2004, 01:56 PM |
Already praised by the Communist Party USA and the Revolutionary Communist Party, Michael Moore's hit film "Fahrenheit 9/11" has a new honor ? great notices in the today's (July 9, 2004) edition of the Socialist Worker, the newspaper of the International Socialist Organization.   Last week, the two most prominent communist organizations in the country ? the Stalinist Communist Party USA and the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party ? both lined up in their publications in endorsing "Fahrenheit 9/11."  The only difference between socialists and liberals is that the socialist at least is honest enough to admit it. You are known by the company you keep. |
| Posted by: High Plains Drifter 12-Jul-2004, 09:42 AM |
| I have never been able to figure out how people can review something that they refuse to see. It amazes me that the conservatives on this site and elsewhere resort to character attacks on Moore rather than trying to dispute the content of the film. My only complaint with the film was that it only briefly mentioned the most frightening man in America, Attorney General John Ashcroft. He would fit right in in Hayden Lake, Idaho; just one of the boys. With Mr.'s Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfelt, they are just out of touch with reality and make it up as they go but Ashcroft has an agenda and will take as many of our rights as he can get away with. I think that Bush has told his lies so much that he actually believes that he has made the world and the U.S. a safer place by invading Iraq. The people of America are finally realizing that they have been fed a constant barrage of lies and the success of Fahrenheit 9/11 is just one indication of the fact that the liberals are finally getting fed up with the [/U]conservative media [U](there, I've said it) bashing them relentlessly. I have been listening to the right talking about the "liberal media" for all these years but lets look at the media. When Ronald Reagan passed away, Tom Brokaw sounded as if it were the savior himself that died. During the Clinton impeachment, the press pushed the Ken Starr agenda at us through the whole proceedings. I will agree that there are a few liberal newspapers out there but much of the print media and most of the broadcast and cable media are middle to right in there reporting. Those who refer to the liberal media are just showing there reactionary position on the extreme right. Fahrenheit is liberal, the CBS Evening News is not!! |
| Posted by: maisky 12-Jul-2004, 10:14 AM |
| Good, Mr. Drifter, Sir! Brother S, speaking of endorsements: http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20040711 |
| Posted by: Shamalama 12-Jul-2004, 03:35 PM |
| Ah, Comrade Trudeau speaks for the People. You're exactly correct, High Plains Drifter. I cannot review a movie I haven't seen. But I can make available to us here on CelticRadio information and reviews from those that have seen it. I simply find it interesting that the Communist Party USA, the Revolutionary Communist Party, the Stalinist Communist Party USA, and the Maoist Revolutionary Communist Party have all publically expressed support for the movie. Strange bedfellows. |
| Posted by: maisky 12-Jul-2004, 07:13 PM |
| And Osama Ben Laden and all other Islamic radicals support Cheney/bush! |
| Posted by: Shamalama 13-Jul-2004, 10:17 AM |
| Brother Maisky, when your subscription to the National Enquirer runs out I highly suggest you get another source for your daily news. I think Fox News has a daily email you can subscribe to. |
| Posted by: maisky 13-Jul-2004, 01:32 PM | ||
Quoting reviews from the "Oxycontin Kid"?  THAT is funny! |
| Posted by: maisky 13-Jul-2004, 01:34 PM | ||
Sorry, I don't touch the Enquirer. I get my news from CNN, MSN, Fox, Time, Newsweek and Business Day (South Africa). I avoid the Enquirer and use Fox only for amusement. |
| Posted by: MDF3530 13-Jul-2004, 02:56 PM |
| I get my news from the local news radio station. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 14-Jul-2004, 11:45 AM | ||
Me and you both, Brother MDF3530. Why is it, that no matter where I travel, that old-fashioned AM radio news appears to be the most balanced reporting (excluding NPR)? |
| Posted by: maisky 14-Jul-2004, 12:11 PM | ||
Good choice! This way you get your daily dose of "hillbilly heroin" second hand: Through Rush-the-doper. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 14-Jul-2004, 01:14 PM |
| I have to say that I usually catch about 30 minutes of Excellence In Broadcasting per year. It's funny. Rush ain't a conservative; he's a Republican. There's a hugh difference.  |
| Posted by: MDF3530 14-Jul-2004, 04:41 PM |
| So Maisky got it wrong. It's either Sean Hannity (who, BTW, has the most punchable face on TV) or Bill O'Reilly (a close second) that you listen to, right? |
| Posted by: Shamalama 15-Jul-2004, 12:57 PM |
| Man, here we go double-teaming sweet 'ole Shamalama. I got more bruises that a cat's got whiskers. O'Reilly is a clown. He distorts as bad as Peter Jennings, and I dislike him just as much. I will catch about 30 minutes of Hannity a couple of days or so on the drive home, depending on whether I require ammunition to fight the two of you, or some soothing celtic sounds, or the pride and parade of the pipes, or (geez, here I go embarassing myself publically again) 1980's dance music. Go Donna Summer! |
| Posted by: maisky 15-Jul-2004, 02:25 PM | ||
What's a Hugh? Are you saying that you are to the right of a fascist like Rush? I didn't think that was possible..... |
| Posted by: Shamalama 16-Jul-2004, 07:49 AM |
| Main Entry: hugh difference Function: noun 1a. A difference, or the element or factor that separates or distinguishes contrasting situations, as described by Hugh Sheinkowitz, a contemporary of Plato and Aristotle, that wore tin foil hats and watched for black helicopters. Right of fascist? Oh shucks no. Rush will defend Republicans no matter what. A Conservative will defend Republicans when they're right, and bash them when they're wrong. Bush blew it when we increased the size of the federal government. Bush blew it when he failed to get conservative judges on the bench. Bush blew it when he passed that hideous, pandering, vote-buying New Deal Prescription Drug Benefit thingie. Those are things Rush would never admit. Bush got it right when he decided to go after the Taliban and Saddam. Bush got it right when he passed tax cuts for every tax-paying American. Bush will blow it if he fails to go after other terrorism camps. |
| Posted by: maisky 16-Jul-2004, 08:22 AM |
| Well at least you have SOME of it right! |
| Posted by: Shamalama 16-Jul-2004, 08:35 AM | ||
Hey, in the Major League it's a great achievement to only hit 1 out of 3! |
| Posted by: maisky 16-Jul-2004, 12:21 PM | ||||
But if you are sky diving, that won't cut it! |
| Posted by: maisky 22-Jul-2004, 11:56 AM |
| Here is a picture for the Dept. of Homeland Inquisitions: |
| Posted by: Shamalama 28-Jul-2004, 03:01 PM |
| This is an interesting tidbit: Bin Laden Brother Disputes Moore Film Jul 28, 1:29 PM (ET) PARIS (AP) - A half-brother of Osama bin Laden says he enjoyed most of Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11," except for what he called "inaccuracies" about his family. "It's a moving film," Yeslam Binladin, a Geneva-based tycoon and one of the al-Qaida leader's 54 siblings, said in an interview with the French magazine VSD. "I even laughed at times," said Binladin, adding, "but a lot less when he states errors or inaccuracies about my family, knowing perfectly well that he's deceiving the public." In the film, Moore says President Bush tried to cover up his family's longtime business and personal ties to the family of Osama bin Laden and other prominent Saudis because many of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. One of his main points is that the U.S. administration helped 142 Saudis - including two dozen members of bin Laden's family - fly out of the United States two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, even though commercial air space was closed. "That's false and can be verified by anyone," said the Saudi-born Binladin, who intentionally spells his name differently from Osama, the prime suspect in the Sept. 11 attacks. "They benefited from no exceptional authorization to leave American territory." A recent 9/11 panel report states that the chartered flights took place starting Sept. 14, once airspace had reopened. Binladin, who has lived in Geneva for many years and has Swiss citizenship, told the magazine that his U.S.-based family members flew into Geneva on Sept. 20 before taking off again for Saudi Arabia. The movie also states that several family members attended a 2001 wedding of one of Osama bin Laden's sons in Afghanistan - a claim Binladin says is exaggerated. "Nobody from my family was at this wedding in Afghanistan except for the mother of Osama," said Binladin. Yeslam and Osama are among the 54 sons and daughters of the late Saudi construction magnate Mohammed bin Laden and his 22 wives. Binladin, the founder of Geneva-based financial company Sico, said the last time he saw his younger half-brother was before Osama left Saudi Arabia in 1981. http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040728/D843U4U00.html |
| Posted by: maisky 28-Jul-2004, 08:48 PM |
| The Bin Laden family are part of the group pulling the strings on the Georgie Puppet. We can't believe ANYTHING they say. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 29-Jul-2004, 11:56 AM | ||
But didn't the recent 9/11 report verify what this guy said, that Richard Clarke was the only one to authorize the families to leave, but only Sept. 14? Yep. Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush?s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden?s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Richard Clarke - haven't I heard that name before? Oh, yes, he's the one that said, at the 9/11 Commission hearings: "The request came to me, and I refused to approve it. I suggested that it be routed to the FBI and that the FBI look at the names of the individuals who were going to be on the passenger manifest and that they approve it or not. I spoke with the ? at the time ? No. 2 person in the FBI, Dale Watson, and asked him to deal with this issue. The FBI then approved...the flight." But then later he said, "It didn?t get any higher than me. On 9-11, 9-12 and 9-13, many things didn?t get any higher than me. I decided it in consultation with the FBI." Seems to me this Clintonesque flip-flopper was the guy pulling the strings, not the Bin Laden family. |
| Posted by: MDF3530 29-Jul-2004, 07:47 PM |
| Did it ever cross your mind that Bush might have told him to allow the Bin Laden family to leave, or in he would've heard this simple, two word phrase "You're fired" ? |
| Posted by: Shamalama 30-Jul-2004, 12:21 PM |
| Oh certainly, Brother MDF3530. Bush could have quitely compelled Clarke to do his bidding. But Clarke is certainly no friend of Bush, and would have ratted him out either in his book or in sworn testimony. He didn't. He's already heard the "You're fired" phrase, and still there is no evidence of compelling. Therefore, according to the evidence presented, there was no compelling. Clarke, in his position of assumed authority, called all the shots. Bubba Binladin and the rest of the Saudis got a free airplane ticket courtesy of Clarke. Period. Clarke, President Bush?s chief of counterterrorism and Clinton's White House terrorism czar. This guy knew all the dirty secrets and he made the call. Moore was wrong on this one, and he knew it. But "truth" is not Moore's strong suit. If you listen only to what Moore says during this segment of the movie you?ll find he?s got his facts right. He and others in the film state that 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after Sept. 13. The date, Sept. 13, is crucial because that is when a national ban on air traffic, for security purposes, was eased. But nonetheless, many viewers will leave the movie theater with the impression that the Saudis, thanks to special treatment from the White House, were permitted to fly away when all other planes were still grounded. This false impression is created by Moore?s failure, when mentioning Sept. 13, to emphasize that the ban on flights had been eased by then. The false impression is further pushed when Moore shows the singer Ricky Martin walking around an airport and says, "Not even Ricky Martin would fly. But really, who wanted to fly? No one. Except the bin Ladens." But the movie fails to mention that the FBI interviewed about 30 of the Saudis before they left. And the independent 9/11 commission has reported that "each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure." "I think Moore's making a mountain of a molehill," admits Mr. Clarke in discussing Moore's movie. Moreover, said Mr. Clarke, "He never interviewed me." Instead, Mr. Moore had simply lifted a clip from an ABC interview. What? Moore didn't even interview Clarke, and simply lifted video from another source? Hmmmmm. Moore is misleading. His film includes a brief shot of a Sept. 14, 2003, New York Times article headlined "White House Approved Departures of Saudis after Sept. 11, Ex-Aide Says." The camera pans over the article far too quickly for any ordinary viewer to spot and read the words in which Clarke states that he approved the flights. Nice trick, huh? Another interesting tidbit: Moore was stranded in California on September 11, and ended up driving home to New York City. On September 14, he wrote to his fans "Our daughter is fine, mostly frightened by my desire to fly home to her rather than drive." Maybe this whole "the Saudis escaped thanks to Bush" rant comes from his own personal anger about not being able to fly home himself. Shall I continue on with Moore's other deceits? |
| Posted by: Shamalama 30-Jul-2004, 12:29 PM |
| Here's an interesting tidbit: HAVANA (Reuters) - U.S. director Michael Moore's anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" was shown on prime time Cuban state-run television on Thursday after playing to packed cinemas for a week. Cuba, one of the world's surviving Communist countries, serving up "Fahrenheit 9/11" during prime time via the state-run television. Seems rather fitting, don't you think? |
| Posted by: maisky 30-Jul-2004, 01:14 PM | ||
EVERYBODY should see the film! It is a shoe-in for an Oscar, besides being wildly successful, financially! |
| Posted by: gtrplr 30-Jul-2004, 02:18 PM | ||
It should get a nomination for best comedy-posing-as-a-documentary. |
| Posted by: maisky 30-Jul-2004, 07:18 PM |
| This expresses it well: |
| Posted by: Keltic 02-Aug-2004, 07:28 AM | ||
Never let the truth get in the way of your agenda!! If it doesn't exist, create it!!
http://www.canoe.com/JamMovies/aug1_moore-ap.html |
| Posted by: gtrplr 02-Aug-2004, 07:55 AM | ||||
This expresses it better. |
| Posted by: Shamalama 02-Aug-2004, 09:00 AM |
| Fahrenheit 9/11 begins on election night 2000. We are first shown Al Gore rocking on stage with famous musicians and a high-spirited crowd. The conspicuous sign on stage reads "Florida Victory." Moore creates the impression that Gore was celebrating his victory in Florida. Moore's voiceover claims, "And little Stevie Wonder, he seemed so happy, like a miracle had taken place." The verb tense of past perfect ("had taken") furthers the impression that the election has been completed. Actually, the rally took place in the early hours of election day, before polls had even opened. Gore did campaign in Florida on election day, but went home to Tennessee to await the results. The "Florida Victory" sign reflected Gore?s hopes, not any actual election results. Again, no outright lies here, but such a distortion as to fool the average viewer/voter. A little while later, Fahrenheit shows Jeffrey Toobin (a sometime talking head lawyer for CNN) claiming that if the Supreme Court had allowed a third recount to proceed past the legal deadline, "under every scenario Gore won the election." Fahrenheit shows only a snippet of Toobin's remarks on CNN. What Fahrenheit does not show is that Toobin admitted on CNN that the only scenarios for a Gore victory involved a type of recount which Gore had never requested in his lawsuits, and which would have been in violation of Florida law. Toobin's theory likewise depends on re-assigning votes which are plainly marked for one candidate (Pat Buchanan) to Gore, although there are no provisions in Florida law to guess at who a voter "really" meant to vote for and to re-assign the vote. This is the essence of the Moore technique: cleverly blending half-truths to deceive the viewer. Shall I continue? |
