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Posted: 16-May-2009, 12:07 AM
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Posted: 16-May-2009, 08:08 AM
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Wow. This was interesting. I honestly did not know that the Federal Reserve was not a part of the government. It is hard to know who to believe anymore. I am really scared about where we are heading.

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Posted: 16-May-2009, 09:47 AM
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Some of this history I "lived" and most of the rest I have studied. The repeating of the political slogan "yes we can" takes me back to another time of financial upheaval in my youth and another country. Then it was "Heil Hitler." World domination then too was the goal. We Canada the UK and others defeated the attempt. Today we are one of if not the main perp. All that stands between us and this fate now is total economic collapse and the patriots of the US and Canada. I am following the growth of the "Oath Keepers" as I am sure the govt is also. Hopefully a large portion of the military will stand with the citizens.

They and the armed patriots of the US and Canada could be all that stand between us and "slavery." Though the number is unknown publicly, between 90 and 120 million well armed Americans will likely take exception to the loss of their freedom. In my experience the non urban areas of Canada are well armed also. As evidenced recently the govt fears the ex military, those who own firearms and conservatives as they are now considered potential terrorist's.

Of late hundreds of thousands have joined the Constitutional and Libertarian causes.

I can not recommend the book "The Creature From Jekyl Island" by G. Edward Griffin strongly enough. It is now back in print after 20 plus years. It is nearly 600 large pages in paperback for $20.00 plus. It starts with the inception of the FR in total secrecy and plots it's history and goals! It used to be available in libraries but mine no longer has it. George Sr.'s pledge, "Read my lips, no new taxes" and immediate turn around along with his UN speech and reading this book caused me to leave the Republican party. I gave a copy to my family MD back then and we both joined the Constitution party. He is now an officer in the party and I just speak for them from time to time along with getting out the vote.

As we have been warned since the inception of the FR, World govt. (dictatorship) is coming and will probably trigger a blood bath and total economic failure. It will force the population through a bottleneck as has happened at times throughout history. Should our republic survive, those Americans who survive with it will have been re-dedicated to our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Also, our religious center will be re-established as it has been truthfully noted, "there are few if any athiest's in combat."

This video should give ALL pause for thought!

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Posted: 16-May-2009, 03:10 PM
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In response to PM's I've received, here is a direct link to the video for you to share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw
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Posted: 16-May-2009, 07:50 PM
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Thank you. It is on it's way across the country, and to some other parts of the world. I also plan to work it into some of my speaking engagements.

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Posted: 17-May-2009, 10:44 AM
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My friend, I have done a small amount of reading on the American Constitution Party ( a polite name for paleoconservatism) and I have to state that what it stands for is the complete antithesis of what I believe. Granted I am not an American and the political climate I was raised in is very different from that of the United States. I am Sir, a Liberal, also a Canadian Nationalist , a Monarchist and a Patriot. I believe firmly in the rights of the individual and also that Government is there to help the people and is responsible to the people. I believe in limited Social Democracy, not the complete welfare state. I most vehemently advocate the complete removal of Religion from Government and daily life. If you wish to worship your God or refer to him do so in the proper place and at the proper time.
Church, Mosque, or Temple, on what ever Sabbath you adhere to. I have no truck with radicals or radicalism of any stripe. As stated before I do not believe in the individual owning firearms, though I must confess there have been a few times I wished I had one just so I could blow some idiot a new A----le. Your Constitution for its time was and is a brilliant document but it is static and a Constitution like a people has to grow and adapt. Nothing my Friend is set in Stone it must change with the changing times. The way is forward not back.
The Constitution Party advocates the return to the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and Law based on the Bible. Surely in the case of the Law you do not advocate the return to Stoning, Slavery, or the subservience of Females. The Bible is not the Word of God but an interpretation of what men thought their God wanted. In a free society the right to chose or disagree is paramount and I for one will fight for anyones right to do so. We may disagree but by the Gods that's our right. I hope I have not offended you as that was definitely not my intent.


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Posted: 17-May-2009, 12:31 PM
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I am not offended. Each can decide what type of govt. they like best. The fact were are moving toward a one world govt. or even one govt for this continent concerns me greatly.

The fact that over 150 million firearms purchase applications were made in 3 months after the election, not including private sales, speaks volumes about our feelings re: the second amendment. Sales have continued at record levels and the firearms industry is doing VERY well in this economy. I believe that sales now have passed 330 million since November which would be over one firearm for every man woman and child in America including the illegals the govt will admit to.

I am a Constitutional Conservative, which is about as conservative as you can get without being radical. I am NOT part if the religious right ir any radical right wing group. Our Constitution has provisions for amendment and it has been amended in past years. Only one amendment has ever been repealed. That was prohibition which caused the creation and growth of the Mafia. The Constitution can not be changed by legislation alone. Our Supreme court has recently ruled that the second amendment is a valid Constitutional right afforded to the individual citizen so "guns are in".

I am not opposed to govt programs to help those in need. However, all govt programs are riddled with fraud. Remember the $3K toilet seats and $2K hammers, screw drivers and allen wrenches? We can no longer afford that but the mentality that caused it is still alive and well.

In todays economy, there have been so many trillions thrown away that our country, yours and all but the poorest of third world countries are doomed to collapse. I question how long social programs will be able to continue with the govt experiencing declining revenues and rising expenses. Our Social Security System has announced that cost of living increases have been suspended. That tells one that hyper inflation is expected! That action will lead to ruination for people below or near the poverty level. Here, the money appropriated in the last year under bush for food pantries and soup kitchen appears to have vanished. The food outlets are fighting to meet the increasing need and calling for donations regularly.

Should our citizens successfully save our country and our constitution, I would hope it is in it's present form. As a Constitutionalist, I do not want a new one.

I wish we could avoid this for the sake of my children and grandchildren but I fear it is too late.

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A one government North America is coming as to what form or when it will happen is anyone's guess. You and I won't see it nor our Grandkids or for that matter maybe our Great Grandkids, but it is coming. Perhaps it will be liken to the E.U. Parliament. A one World Government is also on the way but not I suspect for a few more hundred years. One other thing I am certain of is that another Global War is inevitable possibly fought over water. I don't know how much you hear of happenings up here but our Government has told the Arctic Council that 1/3 of the Arctic is Canadian and to keep their hands off. The Russians are saying that there could be military action over the Arctic. The U.S. and France are rejecting our claim to the North West Passage saying it is international waters. The Buy American Program is causing problems with our relationship. This recession has everyone wound up like watch springs and at times it seems the World is going to Hell in a handbasket. Mr Obama said that the U.S would honour it's international Treaties and Trade Agreements but that is beginning to sound like just so many words. Methinks the new Messiah is but Caesar in disguise. Mayhaps a new Constitution would not be a bad thing. We changed ours somewhat when it was Repatriated from Great Britain in the 70s'. We had no Charter of Rights until then and our old Constitution could not be amended or chage without the British Parliaments approval. Although we had been a Sovereign Nation since 1867 it took us a 100 plus years to throw off most of the ties of Colonialism. Some remain but they are strictly ceremonial. Our trade and defence ties are mostly with you and when things stir in the U.S. we feel the rumbles up here. As Trudeau said "We are the mouse that sleeps with the Elephant". So my Friend remember we are watching. Who knows maybe in the future it will be the "60 Provinces and 4 (Mexico) Territories of Canada.


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Posted: 17-May-2009, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE (Camac @ 17-May-2009, 01:53 PM)
A one government North America is coming as to what form or when it will happen is anyone's guess. You and I won't see it nor our Grandkids or for that matter maybe our Great Grandkids, but it is coming.

Imagine.

Muslim extremism continues to escalate during the sitting administration. An influx of radicals pours through our (yours and mine) gaping borders. They are silent, they are determined. One word from their commander and the attack is on. Dirty bombs detonated in various key cities. Simultaneously hundreds of chuches, schools, and government buildings are bombed by conventional and unconventional munitions. In the space of hours we are in the official third world war. Do you really believe this cannot happen? Do you really think that, should North America be attacked by a common enemy, that our continent will NOT band together in an effort to resist?

I too believe there will be a one-world government. I think it is already active and performing although covertly. In my estimation, there is only one way to bring about such a radical change in the world we live in. You must unite regions first. The EU is an example of such a union. Of course there are those who believe that a North American Union exists already...I don't know. But to me there is little to stop a global government from arising once larger conglomerates of countries band together.
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SCShamrock;

A North American Union exists only to the extent of Trade and Defence. Trade under NAFTA and Defence under NORAD. NAFTA includes Mexico NORAD does not.
Right now the political systems of the three are radically different what with two Republics and a Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy. The differences can be overcome using the EU as an example. There the three major powers have the same system as we . Two Republics, France, and Germany one Constitutional Parliamentary Monrchy , Great Britain. As two a World Government the time is not right. No Nation that exists to-day is will to give up it's Nationalism. In the future maybe. In the distant future for sure.



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QUOTE (Camac @ 17-May-2009, 04:02 PM)
A North American Union exists only to the extent of Trade and Defence. Trade under NAFTA and Defence under NORAD.

That is assuming, of course, that the powers of government (puppeteers of the media) have been forthcoming with the entirety of their structure and the transparency of their actions.
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Our enemies know that in chaos there is victory and we are facing chaos.

Obama has been a disappointment to his supporters. I suspect you will see protectionism and regressive taxes. No matter who is taxed up the chain, the little guy always pays it. We and some european countries have set a course for oblivion. The EU has floated euro's much as we have with dollars. The federal reserve has admitted in hearings that 9 trillion dollars can not be accounted for. They should look in the Swiss banks and the cayman Islands. They also have no idea as to what the losses are on the 2 trillion bank/market bail out. My guess is it is about 2 trillion dollars! We are heading for inflation that will exceed anything this country has ever known.

I have decided that I will stand by my beliefs no matter the outcome. I used to believe I would be standing alone but now maybe not.

When the Japanese talked of invading America during WW2 they decided against it as they felt "there would be an armed American behind every blade of grass." That would be more true today. There are a lot of ex military, many of us well trained, who do not want what we supposedly fought for taken away. That is why the govt is afraid of us. I read the other day that the number of individual gun owners in the US by far exceeds 100M today.

People have reason to be stressed and fearful. When the people that are supposed to save you "lost" 9 trillion dollars the horizon looks very dark. I believe that future wars will involve water food and energy. Also, I do not believe a "global" war will be kept non nuclear. Though horrendous it may be a humane end for our species.

I guess that is enough gloom.

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