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Posted by: Patch 24-Apr-2009, 06:50 PM

A hew strain of swine flu is suspected in killing of dozens of people in Mexico, Authorities there closed schools, and other public places on Friday to try to contain an outbreak that has raised concerns of a global flu epidemic.

The worrisome new virus, which contains genetic material from pigs, birds and humans also sickened at least eight people in the American South West, though there have been no deaths in the here.

This is another problem we do not need!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Rindy 24-Apr-2009, 09:26 PM
I agree Patch we don't need this on top of everything going on. sheesh!

Questions and answers about swine flu
By The Associated Press The Associated Press
Friday, April 24, 2009 6:45 PM EDT


Q. What is swine flu?

A. Swine flu is a respiratory illness in pigs caused by a virus. The swine flu virus routinely causes outbreaks in pigs but doesn't usually kill many of them.

Q. Can people get swine flu?

A. Swine flu viruses don't usually infect humans. There have been occasional cases, usually among people who've had direct contact with infected pigs, such as farm workers. "We've seen swine influenza in humans over the past several years, and in most cases, it's come from direct pig contact. This seems to be different," said Dr. Arnold Monto, a flu expert with the University of Michigan.

Q. Can it spread among humans?

A. There have been cases of the virus spreading from human to human, probably in the same way as seasonal flu, through coughing and sneezing by infected people.

Q. What are the symptoms of swine flu?

A. The symptoms are similar to those of regular flu — fever, cough, fatigue, lack of appetite.

Q. Is the same swine flu virus making people sick in Mexico and the U.S.?

A. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the Mexican virus samples match the U.S. virus. The virus is a mix of human virus, bird virus from North America and pig viruses from North America, Europe and Asia.

Q. Are there drugs to treat swine flu in humans?

A. There are four different drugs approved in the U.S. to treat the flu, but the new virus has shown resistance to the two oldest. The CDC recommends the use of the flu drugs Tamiflu and Relenza.

Q. Does a regular flu shot protect against swine flu?

A. The seasonal flu vaccine used in the U.S. this year won't likely provide protection against the latest swine flu virus. There is a swine flu vaccine for pigs but not for humans.

Q. Should residents of California or Texas do anything special?

A. The CDC recommends routine precautions to prevent the spread of infectious diseases: wash your hands often, cover your nose and mouth when you cough or sneeze, avoid close contact with sick people. If you are sick, stay at home and limit contact with others.

Q. What about traveling to Mexico?

A. The CDC has not warned Americans against traveling to Mexico but advises that they be aware of the illnesses there and take precautions to protect against infections, like washing their hands.




Posted by: Patch 25-Apr-2009, 02:57 PM
Tamiflu and Relenza, seem effective against the new strain. Roche, the maker of Tamiflu, said the company is prepared to immediately deploy a stockpile of the drug if requested. Both drugs must be taken early, within a few days of the onset of symptoms, to be most effective.

The two older antiviral drugs do not appear to work.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Patch 27-Apr-2009, 12:05 PM
The acting head of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the federal government is readying a travel advisory instructing Americans to avoid nonessential travel to Mexico.

Dr. Richard Besser said the advisory was being released ``out of an abundance of caution.''

He further said individuals can help to keep the disease from spreading by taking everyday precautions such as frequent hand washing, covering up coughs and sneezes and staying away from work or school if not feeling well. Though a good idea, employers may not receive the absenteeism well.

Slàinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Shadows 27-Apr-2009, 02:08 PM
I don't know how old you are nor do I care, we went through this swine flu thing once before! The world went into a frenzy and inoculted millions with a worthless vaccine! Only about a few hundred folks died from this perceived threat... equivalent to a drop of your urine in the ocean as far as the worlds population goes... we have seen less then 100 cases of this so far, do you think maybe things are getting over exaggerated as usual by those that stand at the checkout line to long?

This is my opinion and not that of CelticRadio.

Posted by: Antwn 27-Apr-2009, 02:27 PM
Obviously its prudent to take measures to prevent the spread of this virus, however, the exaggeration by the media and the endless fear mongering, hours of coverage ad nauseum is baffling. Yes, there's an outbreak that's spread to the US, but 80 cases in a population of 300 million, where most of the infected parties recovered, is hardly a "crisis". CNN spent hours on this story yesterday, using the word crisis at every opportunity. What crisis? Thousands still die in this country from standard influenza, that's not a crisis to the media, is it? How about the tens of thousands who die in automobile accidents? How about some perspective on this issue by the media? Everyone at work is saying "wash your hands" as if the bubonic plague was on its way. Its amazing how the media delivers as much information as possible in a 'crisis" framework even if that status is undeserved. Are people in South Dakota supposed to worry because 20 or so kids in NYC got sick with the flu and most recovered? What "might" happen is not a crisis, why? Because it hasn't happened yet. Yes, take preventative measures but cut the crisis crap please.....gee before long people in the safest country in the world will live in fear and instead of saying "see you later" or "goodbye" they'll start saying "be safe". Oh....wait....

Posted by: lschillinger 27-Apr-2009, 03:00 PM
I'm not sure if I should be concenred over this or not. A Co Worker of mine is in Cancun right now and is in the "target" age range for this thing. I guess people under 40 are at more of a risk because we haven't been exposed to anything quite like this so we have no resistance. Which is an odd change from the sick and elderly. My coworker is notorious for coming in sick to work. And she is ALWAYS sick after vacation because she wears herself out! I'm in the process of starting a family right now and am wondering if it would be in my best interest to stay at home next week. Or is that being overly cautious?

Posted by: flora 27-Apr-2009, 03:11 PM
I agree with you Antwn that the media does go overboard and becomes repetitive but how long is too long if not everyone is made aware of the danger? We have alot of people who travel to and from Mexico here in Florida. From what I understand you should have the antibiotic within 24 hours of onset for it to do any good. And yes, I have used the phrase "Be Safe" quite often because I do wish people to be safe not just from disease but from everyday happenings. Is it wrong to wish no harm comes to a person?

Flora

Posted by: Antwn 27-Apr-2009, 04:47 PM
Prudence doesn't require the manufacture of crises, it only requires prudence. Sure warn people, but if they want to be taken seriously report the unabashed truth. Why does this situation require any more awareness than the normal flu? The oldest antibiotic doesn't work as effectively, but there are other newer ones. If you have symptoms, do you need the media to tell you what to do about that? The symptoms are the same for any other type of flu.

I don't care what you say to your friends, I'm talking about underlying assumptions about the predominence of a risk aversion mentality which doesn't correspond to the degree of risk present and am wondering why. That's my question.

Posted by: Patch 28-Apr-2009, 02:53 AM
Remember the statement from the then new Obama administration's political hack, "never let a good crisis go to waste!?"

That is what this is all about. I had the swine flu about 30 years ago and people survived it. With ALL flu, the nursing home populations go down and those with compromised health are at risk. It happens EVERY year!!

They are talking about banning processed pork now, which can NOT transmit flu. Trichinosis, yes but flu no! It is amazing how many stupid people have risen to positions of authority.

Mexico is a dirty country where disease is rampant. Medical there is not anywhere near our standards. Their law also allows people to self medicate with out medical prescriptions. All of that sets them up for problems. Here there will just be a longer flu season, no more no less! What the govt. and media are doing now is the equivalent of shouting fire in a crowded theater! An act not covered under the first amendment and considered to be criminal!

This is just another way to control people. I say, close the d@mn borders. If potential immigrants are ill, they do NOT get in! We will deal with flu as we always have.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: maisky 28-Apr-2009, 04:16 AM
QUOTE (lschillinger @ 27-Apr-2009, 03:00 PM)
I'm not sure if I should be concenred over this or not. A Co Worker of mine is in Cancun right now and is in the "target" age range for this thing. I guess people under 40 are at more of a risk because we haven't been exposed to anything quite like this so we have no resistance. Which is an odd change from the sick and elderly. My coworker is notorious for coming in sick to work. And she is ALWAYS sick after vacation because she wears herself out! I'm in the process of starting a family right now and am wondering if it would be in my best interest to stay at home next week. Or is that being overly cautious?

You might consider a "blanket party" for the co-worker to correct this antisocial behavior. biggrin.gif

Posted by: flora 28-Apr-2009, 07:23 AM
QUOTE
I'm talking about underlying assumptions about the predominence of a risk aversion mentality which doesn't correspond to the degree of risk present and am wondering why. That's my question.


I think when the judicial system allows people to sue for not warning that the coffee is hot etc, "the public" lost the ability to think for ourselves.

Flora

Posted by: Rindy 28-Apr-2009, 08:21 AM
What doesn't the media run away with..lol.. I say wash your hands 365 days a year! laugh.gif and go on with life.

Slainte

Posted by: Patch 28-Apr-2009, 02:27 PM
ALL are excellent points. I am going to wash my hands a lot, use hand sanitizer and if I catch it, treat the symptoms, rest and drink plenty of water. After all, it is just another type of flu!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Patch 28-Apr-2009, 03:29 PM
Latest news releases!

US flu deaths seen as likely as outbreak spreads.

Hundreds more fell ill with swine flu in the U.S. and deaths seem likely as governments around the world on Tuesday intensified steps to battle the outbreak that has killed scores in Mexico.

Our borders are still open!! Where do you think the Mexicans are going to run to to get away from their media scare tactics.

This is still just the flu. We have meds to treat it. Some of the weak will die and do every year. I have heard quarantine mentioned several times on the news today. If that happens your access to good medical will be limited to what the govt provides. Think about that!!!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 28-Apr-2009, 03:41 PM
QUOTE (Patch @ 28-Apr-2009, 04:29 PM)
I have heard quarantine mentioned several times on the news today. If that happens your access to good medical will be limited to what the govt provides. Think about that!!!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

You don't suppose that's why the government is trying so hard to convince people that there is a crisis?

Posted by: englishmix 28-Apr-2009, 05:33 PM
Good point MMD. Bloody pig cold is what it is! Manufactured news. Pandemic hysteria to manipulate skulls full of mush and carbon footprints.

Some people get sick, so what? Good health, get well, don't illustrate your mental and emotional instability by wearing a mask and carrying a bottle of lysol around.

At least the news has changed from freaking:
twitter, going green, green, twitter, going green, twitter, going green, green, twitter, going green, twitter, going green, green, twitter, going green, twitter, going green, green, twitter, going green, twitter...

I've even heard more college students are watching TV news now more than ever, because everytime the word "green" or "twitter" is said, you gotta drink up. And if "twitter" and "green" are used in the same sentance, then its a shot of Jagermeister for ya! But tops is whenever "Gore" or "Obama" are used in the same sentance with "twitter" and "green."

Unbeleivable rubbish! That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Posted by: flora 28-Apr-2009, 06:37 PM
QUOTE
Bloody pig cold is what it is!


In American English please? Not sure what you mean!

QUOTE
But tops is whenever "Gore" or "Obama" are used in the same sentance with "twitter" and "green."


So what are you suppose to do?

Flora

Posted by: Patch 28-Apr-2009, 06:40 PM
I am supposed to wear a mask in the winter and I do wear one in my shirt pocket when I visit the cardiologist. (if it is cold outside.)

I do carry hand sanitizer in a little spray pen and have for a long time. I do not intend to worry or change my plans though.

The biggest concern to me would be quarantine and martial law to enforce it!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: englishmix 28-Apr-2009, 07:37 PM
Ah, Flora, so you're particularly interested in the drinkin' game, then is it? beer.gif

When a bubble-headed newsperson uses the words "Obama" (or "Gore") in the same sentence with "twitter" and "green", then bottoms up and sing this song as demonstrated on U Tube by the drunken Scotsman in Germany...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOXfYvo6j_o

Slainte

Posted by: Patch 29-Apr-2009, 10:04 AM
Toddler in Texas becomes 1st swine flu death in US, a 23-month-old toddler in Texas became the first confirmed swine flu death inside the US Officials say the death was in Houston.

Kathy Barton, a spokeswoman for the Houston Health and Human Services Department, said Wednesday that the child had "traveled" with family from Mexico to Brownsville in South Texas. The child became "then" ill in Brownsville and was taken to a Houston hospital.

Personally I do not buy that story. The child was in bad shape when seen in Brownsville or it would not have been transferred to Houston. The child was probably very ill when the family decided to come here!

It has also been determined that a hog farm in Mexico failed to maintain basic snitation requirements and caused the first case of swine flu. That "child" working on the farm survived. Again filth caused the outbreak!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: InRi 29-Apr-2009, 10:16 AM
The swine flu reached Austria. In Vienna a 28 years old woman will cured in a ICU. She came back just now from a travel to Mexico. A 23 years old woman is in a hospital in Steyr also with swine flu suspicion. She was in Mexico too and came back to Austria 9 days ago.

Ingo

Posted by: Patch 29-Apr-2009, 08:44 PM
I am certain all of the cases can be traced back to someone from or returning from Mexico. Anyone who has seen Mexico other than the "tourist traps" knows the filth the Mexican people live in. That is why the death rate in children is so high there.

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Patch 29-Apr-2009, 09:00 PM
On a lighter note, I was listening to the radio this afternoon and they recommended that to avoid the swine flu we should avoid hugs and hand shakes. Those could be replaced by "elbow bumps" and gentle pats on the butt!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: InRi 30-Apr-2009, 10:33 AM
QUOTE (Patch @ 30-Apr-2009, 04:00 AM)
Those could be replaced by "elbow bumps" and gentle pats on the butt! 
  

...or a amicable hit with a wooden cludgel - like the Neanderthals. No more infection but everytime pretty dreams... wink.gif

Ingo

Posted by: Patch 30-Apr-2009, 11:18 AM
I just read two print news articles, both AP, that claim only 8 deaths out of the 168 in Mexico have been confirmed to be related to the swine flu! I also saw the same on MSNBC and Fox News.

That sure sounds like a "contrived" crisis.

I wonder why?!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Patch 30-Apr-2009, 12:15 PM
In the interest of protecting pigs the WHO will no longer use the term "swine flu".

It will now be known as " H1N1 influenza A" which should prevent the needless slaughter of swine!

One must get ones priorities in proper order.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: flora 30-Apr-2009, 12:21 PM
QUOTE
On a lighter note, I was listening to the radio this afternoon and they recommended that to avoid the swine flu we should avoid hugs and hand shakes. Those could be replaced by "elbow bumps" and gentle pats on the butt!


QUOTE
That sure sounds like a "contrived" crisis.


QUOTE
I wonder why?!


Maybe because they already do that at the senate meetings? gossip.gif biggrin.gif

Flora

Posted by: Patch 01-May-2009, 09:09 AM
I heard on the news today (Dr Sanjay Gupta) that the "SWINE FLU" (the h#ll with Obama's numbered flu) started at a "mega hog farm" owned by Smithfield Farms of VA. They took advantage of NAFTA to get away from environmental restrictions in the US. They have obviously made a lot of people in Mexico ill and maybe caused the deaths of some. Now that the information is out, the Americans that run the operation and locals too are in grave danger. Though the govt there has no death penalty, the police conduct executions for lesser offenses.

Again, the problem goes back to GREED!!

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Patch 01-May-2009, 04:54 PM
I suppose it was just a matter of time till this happened!

Indiana Attorney General Greg Zoeller says telephone solicitors are telling people the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention or the Department of Homeland Security are requiring the purchase of the kits to test for the swine flu virus.

Zoeller said Friday the claims are false and the callers are "cynically exploiting people's fears in order to commit fraud.'' He says they may also be in violation of Indiana's telephone privacy laws, and anyone who has been contacted by such a solicitor should notify his office.

Slàinte,    

Patch    



Posted by: Patch 02-May-2009, 10:46 AM
Well, it seems that out of well over 1K confirmed cases in Mexico, now only 461 are "really" confirmed! The "really" confirmed death toll is now 12. So much for the credibility of the press and the Mexican govt.

Mexico deserves the tourism hit they took over this as someone gave the media the numbers.

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Shadows 02-May-2009, 10:56 AM
The gene pool needs clorox once in awhile, maybe this is it!

Not to sound crass or anything!

My opinion and not that of CelticRadio!

Posted by: Antwn 02-May-2009, 01:53 PM
According to the CDC, for the 1993-94 through the 2002-03 flu seasons there were an estimated 31,171 flu related deaths per year. I don't recall 400 schools being closed around the country or the endless crisis coverage by the news or anyone wearing surgical masks on the street during this time period. Yeah, I'd say the crisis mentality is unjustified and the reaction is extreme. The motive however eludes me as well, except for the profit that comes from media's traditional scare tactic approach - fear = ratings.

Swine flu cases so far in the US have risen to 109.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm




Posted by: Patch 02-May-2009, 04:56 PM
I agree with both of you. I suspect money was involved and it was announced that we sent them tens of thousands of doses of tamiflu.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Patch 06-May-2009, 11:33 AM
This appears to be good news!

Health officials said Wednesday it took only two weeks to identify the genetic characteristics of swine flu. They are now in a good position to quickly produce a vaccine if the flu numbers should make it necessary.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Dogshirt 06-May-2009, 07:03 PM
I did not and will not get myself in a sweat over this. I haven't had the flu in 35 years, and I doubt that this one will be any different than the rest.

The secret is .....WHISKEY, HOT PEPPERS and......STAY AWAY FROM SICK PEOPLE and wash OFTEN!
That, and working outside all year around doesn't hurt either.


beer_mug.gif

Posted by: englishmix 06-May-2009, 10:06 PM
QUOTE (englishmix @ 28-Apr-2009, 06:33 PM)
Good point MMD. Bloody pig cold is what it is!  Manufactured news.  Pandemic hysteria to manipulate skulls full of mush and carbon footprints.


I continue to stand by my initial observation. Nevertheless, how tragic for the few victims of this flu which have died from it. Still it is no reason for the Media hysteria that has been going on.

Dogshirts advice is probably good, I mean, afterall, what and who can survive whiskey & hot peppers? That would kill just about anything. doctor.gif

Posted by: Patch 07-May-2009, 12:46 AM
QUOTE (Dogshirt @ 06-May-2009, 09:03 PM)
The secret is .....WHISKEY, HOT PEPPERS and......STAY AWAY FROM SICK PEOPLE and wash OFTEN!
That, and working outside all year around doesn't hurt either.


beer_mug.gif

That advice is worth more than all the medication in the world.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Patch 09-May-2009, 09:39 AM
Mistrust of the mexican medical system by it's citizens contributed to the spread of the swine flu.

Mexicans will do anything to avoid a hospital emergency room, where sick patients may languish for hours slumped on worn linoleum floors that smell of sickness and cheap disinfectant.

Many don't see doctors at all, going instead to the corner pharmacy for advice on coping with whatever ailment they my think they have.

It is really no surprise that when a new strain of flu began to appear many waited too long to get professional help or sought none at all. This may in part explain the death rate in Mexico.

Were it not for Carroll Ranch (Smithfield Farms) who followed absolutely NO environmental rules, including plain common sense, it is doubtful that the new strain of flu would have ever occurred. They went to Mexico so they could do just that and avoid restrictive rules in this country. It shows that our industry (all of it) is no longer capable of regulating it's self!

Americans used to believe in Mom, apple pie, Chevrolet and the American way of life! Now it appears to be limited just to Mom and apple pie!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Rindy 06-Aug-2009, 03:16 PM
It's been awhile since we posted on this subject.
Is anyone here going to get the flu vaccine? I haven't made up my mind yet. Slainte

Ouch! Early flu shot season comes with 3 jabs
By MIKE STOBBE AP Medical Writer The Associated Press
Thursday, August 6, 2009 4:48 PM EDT

ATLANTA (AP) — Get ready to roll up your sleeve three times for flu shots this fall.

That's right, three times. This year's flu season is shaping up to be a very different one. Most people will need one shot for the regular seasonal flu and probably two others to protect against the new swine flu.

Experts suggest you get that first shot as early as this month — if you can find it.

"We'd like to get to Job 1 and get most of it done," said Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University flu expert, referring to seasonal flu vaccinations.

"Get it done before we start to tackle Job 2," the more complex task of swine flu vaccinations, he added.

The five vaccine manufacturers that supply the United States are finishing up production of seasonal flu vaccine earlier than usual. Health officials say they expect about half of the more than 120 million doses of seasonal vaccine to be available by the end of this month. Most of the rest are due out by the end of September. Some manufacturers report that distributors are quickly buying up supplies.

Those five companies — including one that makes a nasal spray version of flu vaccine — are the same ones making the new swine flu vaccine. They are on track to start delivering the first batches of that in September, but the bulk of it isn't expected until late October or November, health officials say.

That's sparked questions about how all this is going to work.

Officials want to get as many people as possible vaccinated against both forms of flu, but a lot of that depends on consumers and how many trips they'll be willing to make to get shots.

Why can't you get one shot for all — or maybe just two?

The reasons have to do with logistics and caution.

Scientists believe the swine flu vaccine will be most effective if given in two doses, about three weeks apart. Also, they don't think the seasonal and swine flu vaccines can be combined into one syringe or vial and still be effective, so they've got to be administered as separate doses, even if it's during the same appointment
But it's not a matter of just giving both to whoever comes in. Supplies are expected to be limited, so the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has two different lists for who should be first to get the seasonal flu shot and who should be first to get the swine flu shot.

For the regular flu vaccine, elderly people, health care workers and pregnant women are among the priority groups. For the swine flu vaccine, health care workers and pregnant women are on the list but not older people, who seem to have some immunity to swine flu.

If all the flu shots were given at about the same time, it could mean a mash of people, some of whom should be among the first to get one shot and not the other.

"I think it's safe to say we expect some confusion," said Kristine Sheedy, a CDC communications specialist.

Then, there are safety questions.

Health officials are haunted by the swine flu vaccine campaign in 1976, which was stopped after unexpectedly high numbers of patients suffered a paralyzing condition called Guillain-Barre Syndrome. While it's not clear the vaccine was to blame, health officials want to carefully monitor people who get the new swine flu vaccine for any problems.

Scientists are just beginning to test the safety and effectiveness of the new swine flu vaccine, work that is expected to take months. If the seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines were given at the same sitting and some people developed health problems, it would be hard to single out which vaccine caused the problem, or whether it was the combination of them.

"How you're going to separate that out — that's a doozer," said Dr. Samuel Katz, a Duke University vaccines expert, who was a developer of the measles vaccine.

So the government is looking at three shots, preferably over three visits.

That's daunting. Over the years, the public hasn't been great about getting even one flu shot: Just one in three U.S. adults got flu shots last year, CDC data indicate.

"To come two or three times? That's expecting a lot, of public response," said Katz.

Health officials traditionally kick off an autumn vaccine campaign against seasonal flu in late September or October with a news conference in Washington D.C. But this year, the news conference — which features the CDC director — has been moved up to Sept. 10.

Unofficially, the push for seasonal vaccinations begins even sooner, some health officials said.

"As soon as it becomes available, we'll be encouraging people to get it," said Carol Schriber, a spokeswoman for the North Carolina Department of Health and Human Services.

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Rapid tests often wrong about swine flu
The Associated Press
Thursday, August 6, 2009 12:16 PM EDT

NewsATLANTA (AP) — The government's first study of how well rapid tests diagnose swine flu finds they're wrong at least half the time.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention looked at rapid tests made by three companies. The tests correctly confirmed swine flu infections only 10 percent to 51 percent of the time. The tests were better at diagnosing seasonal flu.

What should doctors do if a test comes back negative for a patient they think has the flu? The CDC says doctors should order a more precise lab test but in the meantime prescribe medicines like Tamiflu.

The results of the study were released Thursday

Posted by: Patch 06-Aug-2009, 07:30 PM
I am going to get it if I qualify. Since there will be a shortage, I may just have to "suck it in."

If it becomes a shifting antigen flu, we finally may have managed to destroy the human race. My brother deals with the animal part of the equation and says that the constantly shifting antigen is the medical profession's worst fear. We are not there yet but is is cause for concern. No changes have been made in sanitation in dealing with the waste from large concentrations of farm animals so the danger continues.

Slàinte,    

Patch    


Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 07-Aug-2009, 08:50 AM
I'm in the 65 or over group that is not on the list to receive the swine flu vaccine due to probably already having immunity, but cannot help recalling the last time a vaccine was rushed out to prevent an epidemic. IIRC, the vaccine caused more problems than the flu did.

Posted by: flora 07-Aug-2009, 09:46 AM
School will be starting here in about 2 weeks. Alot could change between that time and when the vaccine will be available. As of right now I am very leery about a vaccine that has been so rushed. We usually don't get flu vaccines. I've made sure my grandson has been taking a vitamin complex with immune boosters. It can't hurt.

Flora

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 02:47 PM
Caution is wise, especially with children. It is my understanding that the flu vaccine will require a total of three shots this year. Two for the swine flu.

Haste does create problems. If I get the vaccination I am not worried as I am tired, not in the best health, my wife has been gone over 30 years now and it is nearing the time for us to meet again.

Not every one sees things the way I do though.

I do carry hand sanitizer and wash my hands often. The pharmacy I use maintains Tamiflu and that may be my protection.

Oh, I heard the cut off for govt programs will be 60!

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Aug-2009, 04:18 PM
The best thing of all is looking to your own immune system. There are people in the population who have existing conditions that compromise their immune systems, but the vast majority will ride it out fine with precautionary things like hand washing, and then letting the body be at its best to fight off anything that comes in: really healthy nutrition, enough sleep, reasonable exercise, minimizing stress as if you really mean it (most people don't take this seriously or don't identify their own stressors). There cannot always be vaccines tailored for every virus -- they mutate faster than we can develop remedies. But the body itself will do a custom antibody that has a fair fighting chance against most invaders, if the body is in reasonable shape.

Dogshirt's remedy makes me smile -- I would add to the whiskey and hot peppers a good big chunk of raw ginger every day, grated into the food or juiced with raw carrots and fresh grapefruit (delicious!)

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 05:15 PM
QUOTE (Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas @ 07-Aug-2009, 10:50 AM)
I'm in the 65 or over group that is not on the list to receive the swine flu vaccine due to probably already having immunity, but cannot help recalling the last time a vaccine was rushed out to prevent an epidemic. IIRC, the vaccine caused more problems than the flu did.

I had the swine flu when it went around 40 years ago. It is said that there might be immunity from that but this could be a new virus. Personally it is in my opinion that the swine flu is greatly exaggerated. The death rate is lower so far than the normal flu season. My MD said the existing tests range from 10 to 50 percent in reaching a correct diagnosis so it is just an educated guess. I use a nationwide pharmacy and can call my MD, describe the symptoms. He will get a prescription called for Tamiflu. Since I make forays out of the area frequently, it works for me.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 06:13 PM
Patch;
It is 7:50 pm here in Oakville and I have finally relaxed enough to say that 12 hours ago my oldest was rushed to the Emerg with a very severe case of the Flu.
There is a remote possibility that it is Swine Flu but they are waiting on the test results to either confirm or eliminate it. She is resting fine now and both the vomitting and Diarrhea are under control and she is taking fluids because she was so dehydrated. Well at least she is in a very good hospital and they will look after her so I know that I can sleep to-night and not have to worry. I will worry though because that's what Fathers do. Here I was a few hours ago on another topic making light of my mortality and the Fates hit me with this. I wish I was at the hospital right now but I know that is the worst place I could be but damn my Baby is really sick. Gotta go my glasses are getting misty and the the page is hard to see.


Camac.

Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Aug-2009, 06:31 PM
She's in good hands, Dad. We'll be thinking about both of you and wishing the best of all possible outcomes. No doubt tomorrow when you see her you will be a great deal relieved, once they get her hydrated and comfortable again. If there's anything relevant that's good for us to know, about what it was that hit the poor kid, you'll tell us.

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 06:38 PM
I know this not your belief but I have said a prayer for both of you. (It can not hurt the situation)

Being in the hospital will get her the best care. Though I have never had the experience of a child being severely ill, I have considered the possibility. My thoughts will be with both of you and I wish your daughter a speedy recovery.

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 06:47 PM
Thank you Patch for your kind thought and your prayer.Even though I don't believe as other might I too am praying to my Creator to help my Paula.. I just got an update from my ex that Paula is now on morphine to help control the pain being caused by severe cramping. There will be little or no sleep in the McArthur households this night.



Camac

Posted by: flora 07-Aug-2009, 07:09 PM
Camac, I am adding my prayers for Paula and you. Please do keep us updated on how you are doing.

Flora

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 07:12 PM
I suspect that your "Creator" and my "God" are one in the same. It is all in how we each believe.

You will not be out of my/our thoughts and prayers until all is well!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Rindy 07-Aug-2009, 07:26 PM
I am so sorry Camac. My thoughts and prayers are going out to you and your family. Please keep us updated as you can. Hang in there.

Slainte

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 07:37 PM
Patch and flora;

Again I thank you for your kind thoughts and prayers and I will keep you posted. I am a bit old fashion I guess for I was raised to believe that a Father protects his children and when they get sick the realization that you couldn't do anything to stop it hurts, and an anger starts to build. It is a frustrating anger for there is no one to lash out at and fight. I learned along time ago there is no use cursing the Fates or for that matter the Creator for they do not heed the ravings of a mad man. Again my friends THANK YOU for your kindness.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 07-Aug-2009, 07:59 PM
We think much alike. When young, they look to us to make it all better and we strive to achieve. It is hard to let go of this as they become adults. Try to rest if you can. It will do no good for both of you to be ill. If you have trouble sleeping, I will try to be back several times tonight.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 07-Aug-2009, 08:24 PM
Patch,
My son-in-law called at 10;00 and said that Paula had been moved to a room and that she was comfortable and sleeping. She is on morphine for the pain caused by the cramps and they gave her a sedative. She is still passing blood but even that seems to be lessening. From what he describe to me it is almost like Paula has Aeomebic Dysentry, which I have had. I shan't second guess the doctors. I thank you for the offer but Grahame assured me that Paula is in the best of hands and that he was on his way home to get some sleep. My leg has been acting up alot to-day so I'll take some pain killer and try to sleep. The hospital has scheduled a Catscan and Colonoscopy for to-morrow and after those test we can go visit. Thanks again my Friend.


Camac.

ps. It is a Fathers sacred duty to worry about his children and to protect them. That`s what my Dad taught me.

Posted by: flora 07-Aug-2009, 09:07 PM
I stopped back by to see if you had posted an update. I am so glad that she is resting (boy that morphine is gooood stuff) and I hope you are now too.

Flora

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 01:03 AM
I am glad to hear she is comfortable now. I will be back again before morning. It is hard not to second guess the doctors since as we gain in age we experience more ailments to compare with those of others who are younger.

Take care and keep us posted.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 08-Aug-2009, 07:31 AM
Patch;

I talked to the hospital about 20 mins. ago and got some more info on my daughter. She had a bad night spiking temps. that they had to apply ice packs. She is scheduled for a Catscan this morning and they said she should be back around 10 or 10:30 and I can go visit her. Her blood test ruled out Swine Flu which is a relief but I am worried because Colon and Bowel Cancer run on my side of the family. It killed my Mom, two of her sisters and my grandmother. I woke up around 3:00 this morning and just started bawling like a baby. I'm afraid my emmotions are getting the better of me and I have to get them under control before I head to the hospital can't let Paula see how upset and worried I am.
I'm glad you guys are out there and your kindness and concern mean alot to me.



Camac

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 07:46 AM
I know this is rough for you. I am glad it was not swine flu. It is nearly impossible to not imagine what it might be. It is natural to be afraid and the unknown is always worse than the known. No matter the disease, today is a better time to be ill than ever before. Medicine cures things today that were not thought possible even as little as 20 years ago.

Please continue to keep us posted. I will be back various times during the day today. You and your daughter are still in our prayers and thoughts.

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Camac 08-Aug-2009, 12:03 PM
Patch;

Just got back from the hospital and Paula is doing better. Her blood work came back and ruled out any type of Flu. She had her catscan and her whole upper intestinal tract is inflamed and she is still passing some blood. On Monday she is scheduled for a colonoscopy to help rule out Chron Disease, Colitis, Polups, and any type of parasite. The doctor questioned me about the female side of my family and the fact that 4 out of six died of colon cancer. Her mom, my ex, and I are still worried but at least now in my case my imagination isn't running beserk and I have some info to go on.Paula is very weak and tired and she is on a strict clear liquid diet and still getting morphine for the cramps but she is a fighter like all the women in my family and she will beat what ever is causing this. I will keep you posted as to her progress and I really appreciated your concern and thoughtfulness.

flora; Thank you also. Both you and Patch are good people.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 01:26 PM
I am glad to hear the news. There are many possible causes but in an emergency it is hum,an tendency to imagine the worst. As I stated earlier, today is the best time to be ill. Today nearly every thing can be managed or cured and there are new cures just a bit down the road. I pray that you will get answers soon so your daughter quickly recovers and this stress is removed from your shoulders.

Slàinte,   

 Patch    


Posted by: Camac 08-Aug-2009, 02:52 PM
Patch;
We should have some better answers come Monday when the gastroenterologist has had time to read the results of the test. In the meantime I have chilled out considerably. The visit to the hospital is greatly responsible for that. Hell I even bought her a teddy bear ( more like a Bear in the Blue house Teddy Bear) and she is 39 years old. She got a kick out of it. 27 years ago when she was in Sick Kids when she lost her left index finger in an accident I bought her a stuffed raccoon which she promptly name Weinberger after her Doctor. I told her I looked for a Weinberger but couldn't find one so she had to settle for the Teddy Bear.

Camac.

PS. I know I'm a sentimental Old Fart.

Posted by: Patch 08-Aug-2009, 02:59 PM
You have a great attitude!!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 10-Aug-2009, 01:52 PM
Patch;

I talked to Paula to-day and she has completed all her test and they are just awaiting the biopsy result. She said that the Doc is 99% sure that it is Ulcerative Colitis. Bad enough but not as bad as it could have been. He also said that he understood how the G.P though she had the flu as her symptoms would be very flu like. I have to tell you my Paula is one hell of a woman because through all this she has been concerned about her Dad. Hell man I did good helping to make her. She has insisited that I go on my long weekend holiday to Quebec from day one so I will be leaving Friday at noon for La Belle Provence. All through this I kept thinking that this isn't right I should be the one who gets sick. I,m the Old Fart on the slippery road to perdition so there isn't much that the Fates caqn do to me. Thanks to you and all who cared enough to show concern and give this "Auld Bugger" your support.



Camac.

Posted by: Patch 10-Aug-2009, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the update. As you said, it could be much worse. This is treatable. and she will get back to a full and productive life! You take care of yourself too. You are both very fortunate to have each other! Enjoy your trip!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 10-Aug-2009, 02:22 PM
Thanks Patch


Camac

Posted by: Rindy 20-Aug-2009, 03:16 PM
The state had it's first death of the Swine Flu. She lives in the same county that I do.
She was a woman 21 years old, but had underlying health complications. We were one of the last states to get the swine flu. I think it said we had 158 cases and only 7 had to be put in the hospital.

School begins this coming Monday it will be interesting to see what happens.

I am going to wash my hands often but I'm not going to go into a panic over this.

What's happening in your state?

Slainte and Keep Healthy thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Patch 21-Aug-2009, 02:08 PM
I bought small hand sanitizer sprays, carry a small bottle of Hiblicins surgical soap and wash my hands at every opportunity.

The normal flu kills many who have compromised health each year and for now the swine flu seems to be weaker. It just appeared outside the normal flu season.

I check occasionally to insure that my pharmacy has Tamiflu in stock. I just read that Guillian Barre Syndrome has been linked with the swine flu vaccine in Europe. That would certainly be something to research further.

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Patch 21-Aug-2009, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (Camac @ 10-Aug-2009, 03:52 PM)
Patch;

I talked to Paula to-day and she has completed all her test and they are just awaiting the biopsy result. She said that the Doc is 99% sure that it is Ulcerative Colitis. Bad enough but not as bad as it could have been. He also said that he understood how the G.P though she had the flu as her symptoms would be very flu like. I have to tell you my Paula is one hell of a woman because through all this she has been concerned about her Dad. Hell man I did good helping to make her. She has insisited that I go on my long weekend holiday to Quebec from day one so I will be leaving Friday at noon for La Belle Provence. All through this I kept thinking that this isn't right I should be the one who gets sick. I,m the Old Fart on the slippery road to perdition so there isn't much that the Fates caqn do to me. Thanks to you and all who cared enough to show concern and give this "Auld Bugger" your support.



Camac.

How is your daughter progressing? I had not heard anything for a while.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 21-Aug-2009, 02:34 PM
Patch;

Sorry my friend for not getting back sooner. Paula is at home on anti-biotics and heavy doses of steroids. She has some type of bacterial infection that has the docs stumped and they are hoping this is the cause of the colitis. The steroids are to heal the ulcerations and she knows she has to take them but isn't that happy about it. Our Docs are more conservative than American Docs they would rather treat with medication than operate. She will be back to work on Monday on half days but if that proves to be to much its back home and take it easy. I have told her to be patient that it will take some time for her to get back to anywhere near normal but I'm afraid my Daughter is like her Dad never takes advice that is good for you and push it to the limit. She is still not out of the woods and I and her mother are still a bit worried but hey thats what parents do right. Thanks for asking my friend.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 21-Aug-2009, 03:08 PM
I had all but stopped posting due to the contest as I did not want to discourage others but I had told Paul to leave me out of this one when it first started. Thus I was not disinterested in your daughters illness.

I believe like your Doctors, the conservative approach is the best. When you cut something out, you have made changes that can not be put back to "normal" again.

My wife took steroids for quite some time as that was all that was available for her illness back then. She hated them too. She retained fluid and grew hair on her face, both of which she hated. It went away when she stopped and improved also as the dose was lowered prior to stopping.

I have not forgotten her in my thoughts and prayers.

Your and her mother's concern must certainly give her a warm feeling in her heart!

Slàinte,    

Patch    




Posted by: Camac 21-Aug-2009, 03:31 PM
Patch;

Your thoughts and prayer are appreciated. Maybe more so by this heathen. I was asking Paula if she and Graham ( my son in law ) were OK for money and that I had a little put away that she could have, Well she started to cry and said Thanks Dad but we are fine I am on full pay and Graham's job is safe and well paying. Didn't mean to upset her just offered to help if I could. Damn I Love that Girl. I got to say it again her Mom and I did good bringing her into this world. Don't know who we did the better job on Paula or Shannon. I would hate to have to choose for I couldn't. Thank you again my FRIEND.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 21-Aug-2009, 03:36 PM
You should be proud of your children. I do believe that our children are all we leave to this old world.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 21-Aug-2009, 09:30 PM
Patch;

It is through our children that we gain immortality.

Proud doesn't half describe how I feel about them. They are the only cause I would die for or if need be kill for. They are the best part of a life well spent.


Camac

Posted by: Camac 24-Aug-2009, 06:58 AM
Patch;

Thought you would like to know that Paula is back to work half days three days a week. Her Boss has made a car available to pick her up at the train station and bring her to the office and take her back to the train. It's about a 10 min drive.
I didn't realize that she was as highly regarded by her boss as she seems to be. Damned good of him.


Camac.

Posted by: Patch 27-Aug-2009, 05:51 PM
That is great! I still believe that most people are considerate and caring. I suspect that many who are not are wrapped up in their own problems and just do not notice.

How is your calf muscle coming along?

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Rindy 26-Sep-2009, 08:33 PM
Camac how is Paula doing now? I really hope she is doing better. I hope no one in this community has came down with the flu. I have decided I am not going to get a flu shot. I will be washing my hands a lot and using the hand sanitizers. I thought this was cute.

If you wake up looking like this

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Don't come into the office

Keep healthy everyone!

Slainte

Posted by: Patch 27-Sep-2009, 10:38 AM
I looked in the mirror this AM without my glasses and thought I had caught it!!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

Posted by: Camac 27-Sep-2009, 11:39 AM
Rindy;

Paula is doing fine. The Flu thing was way off base. The Colitis is slowly coming under control. She had to have a Fibroid removed from her Uterus and they found that her Colon had adhered to the Pelvic wall so they fixed that while they were in there. She and her husband are desperate to start a family and with the Fibrois removed she is hoping she will get Pregnant. If she does look North you will she the fireworks all over the Hemisphere. Thank you for asking after her.


Camac.


PS; I am praying to the Creator for her to get pregnant with a little girl. If I have a granddaughter I will truly die a happy man. A grandson would be OK.

Posted by: Patch 27-Sep-2009, 01:12 PM
Camac

I too am glad to hear things are looking better for your daughter and her husband. Grandkids are priceless!

Just let me know and I will set some off for you here too!! My neighbor works for a fireworks sales outlet and he can get some nice ones!

Slàinte,   

 Patch    

Posted by: Rindy 27-Sep-2009, 07:39 PM
LMAO Patch in regards to your mirror comment!

Camac I am so glad she is doing better. I am glad the Colitis is getting better for her. I hope there's lots of grandaughters and grandsons in your near future. I will look for the fireworks and a announcement.

Slainte


Posted by: MacFive 04-Nov-2009, 07:41 PM
Was looking for a thread on H1N1 and think I found it!

I am pretty sure that my family is experiencing H1N1. We all got vacinated for the flu virus last month because our daughter has a chronic illness.

Well, it hit me Saturday night and I thought I was going to die. Extreme pain in my lungs, coughing, congestion, so weak I could not get out of bed for 2 days and then fever 103 and sore threat. Chills and hot flashes still persist.

Now it has hit my 21 year old daughter and she is going through the same. My 11 year old seems to have a less mild form and does not seem to be progressing into the major symtoms, thank god.

Still not sure if this is just a bad Flu or H1N1.

Posted by: Rindy 04-Nov-2009, 09:57 PM
Well wishes going out to all of you. This sounds like it would be miserable.

Get well soon

Slainte

Posted by: Patch 05-Nov-2009, 02:38 PM
All flu can be bad. I lost someone very dear to me due to complications of a debilitating medical condition and the flu. When you can not cough, you slowly drown.

I would suspect it you had the regular flu vaccine, you caught the swine flu.

My doctor says that if the respiratory difficulties last more than three days or appear to be critical in a lesser period seek medical help. Tamiflu appears to work best when started within two or three days of the onset.

I pray for a rapid and uneventful recovery for all in your family.

Slàinte,    

Patch    

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