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WizardofOwls	Posted: 13-Mar-2007, 09:03 PM
Wanderer and Vagabond Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 5,142 Joined: 12-Mar-2004 Zodiac: Vine Realm: Wytheville, Virginia	I am considering making my own set of Ogham sticks using all of the correct woods, but I am having trouble locating some varieties. If I were to post a list of woods I need, is there anyone who might be interested in helping me gather them? -------------------- Sl�n agus beannachd, Allen R. Alderman 'S i Alba t�r mo chridhe. 'S i G�idhlig c�nan m' anama. Scotland is the land of my heart. Gaelic is the language of my soul.

Sekhmet	Posted: 13-Mar-2007, 10:02 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 898 Joined: 08-Sep-2004 Zodiac: Alder Realm: Pittsburgh-ish, Pennsylvania	Course I would darlin'. List away.

haynes9	Posted: 13-Mar-2007, 10:41 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Super Moderator Posts: 11,254 Joined: 05-Jun-2005 Zodiac: Elder Realm: Ganado, Navajo Nation, Arizona	Very little in the way of wood out here on the Rez, but I'd be glad to try, Wiz. -------------------- Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. -- John Quincy Adams Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less - Robert E. Lee For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved - Romans 10:13 (KJV) The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble, and he knoweth them that trust in him - Nahum 1:7 (KJV)

sisterknight	Posted: 14-Mar-2007, 06:38 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Ireland Posts: 5,897 Joined: 12-Jan-2006 Zodiac: Oak Realm: clarks corner, new brunswick	if i could find a way to get it across the border...we got lots!! -------------------- non nobis domine,non nobis sed nomini tua da gloriam. OKAY, WHAT DID I DO NOW??

stoirmeil	Posted: 14-Mar-2007, 08:11 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 3,581 Joined: 07-Nov-2004 Zodiac: Birch Realm: New York	Keep us posted on the progress of this. Very interesting.

WizardofOwls	Posted: 14-Mar-2007, 05:33 PM
Wanderer and Vagabond Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 5,142 Joined: 12-Mar-2004 Zodiac: Vine Realm: Wytheville, Virginia	Okay, for those of you who are not familiar with the ogham, there are twenty letters in the ogham alphabet, each represented by a type of tree. There are twenty. They are: Birch (Got it!) Rowan Alder Willow (Have a piece of weeping willow - not sure if thats the same) Ash Hawthorn (I've got a piece, but its the thornless variety) Oak Holly (Got it) Hazel Apple (Got it) Vine Ivy Broom Blackthorn Elder Pine or Fir (Got it) Gorse Heather Aspen Yew Some of these - oak for instance - are common where I live, but I don't know exactly where to look to find one or - in some cases - just don't have ready access. Anyway, what I need is a relatively straight piece of each, around 3 inches long and 3/8 inch thick (a little thicker than a pencil). Any help anyone can offer would be GREATLY appreciated! Let me know if you have any questions about these, and pm me for my mailing address. I will be glad to reimburse for shipping costs. Thanks, everyone! Allen

Sekhmet	Posted: 14-Mar-2007, 08:24 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 898 Joined: 08-Sep-2004 Zodiac: Alder Realm: Pittsburgh-ish, Pennsylvania	Hrm... Might be able to do hawthorn. Ditto Rowan, I can't remember offhand which one is at my parent's house. Aspen is another possibility. I sincerely have no idea where anyone has any heather that is old enough to have that kind of wood-stock. That one's gonna be a pain for ya. Yew is a possibility. I'll have to see if my housebrothers are playing with making bows again.

sisterknight	Posted: 15-Mar-2007, 06:45 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Ireland Posts: 5,897 Joined: 12-Jan-2006 Zodiac: Oak Realm: clarks corner, new brunswick	is rowan the same as what we call mountain ash?? i'm headed back home (n.b)beginning of may so i can hunt and gather, if you have them then you'll have extras(i hope!!)

Shadows	Posted: 15-Mar-2007, 12:18 PM
Reader of souls, vision seeker, TROLL Group: Super Moderator Posts: 4,792 Joined: 20-Jun-2003 Zodiac: Holly Realm: The frontier of Penn's Woods	Hawthorn I have! Alder you need someone from the Great NW to supply. Weeping willow should suffice. The Oak should be from the British Isles, not the same as ours. The Yew could be subsitited with Osage Orange. Vine as far as I have been able to find out is Wild Grape. ( I have that too ). The Heather could be substituted with Lavender or prehaps Sage ( I have both ). Hazel is a southern wood, good luck there. I am still researching this for you and will post any findings I come up with. Wiz PM me with yoyr addy if you want what I do have. Shadows -------------------- I support the separation of church and hate! IMAGINATION - the freest and largest nation in the world! One can not profess to be of "GOD" and show intolerence and prejudice towards the beliefs of others. Am fear nach gleidh na h�airm san t�sith, cha bhi iad aige �n am a� chogaidh. He that keeps not his arms in time of peace will have none in time of war. "We're all in this together , in the parking lot between faith and fear" ... O.C.M.S. �Beasts feed; man eats; only the man of intellect knows how to eat well.� "Without food we are nothing, without history we are lost." - SHADOWS Is iomadh duine laghach a mhill an Creideamh. Religion has spoiled many a good man. The clan MacEwen

Dreamer1	Posted: 15-Mar-2007, 07:16 PM
Mistress of the Hearth Fires, Dreamer of the Woods Group: Founder Posts: 1,405 Joined: 10-Sep-2003 Zodiac: Rowan Realm: New England	What type of Ivy is it? We have English Ivy (in spades!), and I'd be glad to look for a suitably thick length for you. Now the Elder - is that the same as Elderberry? We have that too, easily sent if you need it. So how's your list now? What do you still need? -------------------- Look with the eyes of a child. 'Hope guides me. It is what gets me through the day, and especially the night.' -- A Knight's Tale "I talk to you as I talk to my own soul...and, Sassenach,� he whispered, �your face is my heart.� -- Jamie Fraser, "Dragonfly In Amber" by Diana Gabaldon @Dremnghrt on Twitter, Dreamnghrt on tumblr - come say Hi!

WizardofOwls	Posted: 17-Mar-2007, 01:31 PM
Wanderer and Vagabond Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 5,142 Joined: 12-Mar-2004 Zodiac: Vine Realm: Wytheville, Virginia	haynes9 - Thanks for the offer! If you see something on the list that you can get for me, I would be very greatful! sisterknight - Yes, according to what I've been able to find, rowan IS the same as mountain ash! I'd be grateful for a piece if you could send it! Sekhmet and Dreamer 1 - Thanks for the offers! I really appreciate your help on this! Shadows - Man, you are a lifesaver! Thanks for your help on this! Do you know the answer to Dreamer 1's question? I couldn't find anything. Stoirmeil - I will gladly keep you updated. As a matter of fact here is an update now. I have not been able to get out lately to look for anything, but here is what I have been offered here. Birch - Got it Rowan - Offers from Sekhmet and sisterknight Alder Willow - Got it - Have a piece of weeping willow Ash Hawthorn - Got it - Have a piece of the thornless variety - Offers from Sekhmet and Shadows Oak Holly - Got it Hazel Apple - Got it Vine - Wild Grape - Offer from Shadows Ivy - English Ivy - Offer from Dreamer 1 Broom Blackthorn Elder - Elderberry - Offer from Dreamer 1 Pine or Fir - Got it Gorse Heather - Lavender/Sage - Offer from Shadows Aspen - Offer from Sekhmet Yew - Offer from Sekhmet/ Osage orange offer from Shadows

WizardofOwls	Posted: 19-Mar-2007, 08:35 PM
Wanderer and Vagabond Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 5,142 Joined: 12-Mar-2004 Zodiac: Vine Realm: Wytheville, Virginia	Shadows, one of my sources says that grapes are not native to the British Isles, so it is more likely that Vine is actually blackberry or another sort of bramble. What do you think? Also it is possible that Ivy could be honeysuckle. I also read somewhere that it could be mistletoe, but I can't find the source to verify right now. One book suggests that Broom could also be interpreted as Reed, but I don't think so. Anyway, is anyone else interested in helping? Let me know if you are! Thanks again, everyone! Allen

Dogshirt	Posted: 20-Mar-2007, 04:38 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 2,400 Joined: 12-Oct-2003 Zodiac: Elder Realm: Washington THE State	I can get you SCOTCH broom when I go to my Mother-in-law's, but I do not know if that is the same as "Broom". Let me know. -------------------- Hoka Hey! The more Liberals I meet, the more I like my dogs!

Shadows

Posted: 20-Mar-2007, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE (WizardofOwls @ 19-Mar-2007, 10:35 PM)

Shadows, one of my sources says that grapes are not native to the British Isles, so it is more likely that Vine is actually blackberry or another sort of bramble. What do you think?

Also it is possible that Ivy could be honeysuckle. I also read somewhere that it could be mistletoe, but I can't find the source to verify right now.

One book suggests that Broom could also be interpreted as Reed, but I don't think so.

Anyway, is anyone else interested in helping? Let me know if you are!

Thanks again, everyone!
Allen

Ivy might just be english ivy ( I have that too ), mistletoe no, it is not so much a vine.
Broom being reed is posible but it could very well be broom straw.

I am still researching this for you freind!

Also if I am not mistaken these woods need to harvested when the sap is down if you are going to use for divining.

Shadows	Posted: 20-Mar-2007, 05:11 PM
Reader of souls, vision seeker, TROLL Group: Super Moderator Posts: 4,792 Joined: 20-Jun-2003 Zodiac: Holly Realm: The frontier of Penn's Woods	From my research Elder and elderberry are not the same. I think it is boxwood a very common wood to the isles of the time. I don't have any of the size you are looking for.

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