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Posted by: Macfive 29-Apr-2005, 05:13 AM
If you have been following the latest on music broadcast and streaming, podcasting has been making it big lately.

Here is the definition of a podcast for those, like myself, that are new to this:

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Podcasting is a way of publishing sound files to Internet, allowing users to subscribe to a feed and receive new audio files automatically. Podcasting is distinctive from other types of audio content delivery by its use of the RSS protocol. This technique has enabled a number of individuals to create self-published, syndicated radio shows.

Users subscribe to podcasts using "podcatching" software which periodically checks for and downloads new content. It can then sync the content to the user's portable music player, hence the portmanteau of Apple's "iPod" and "broadcasting." Podcasting does not require an iPod, however; any digital audio player or computer with the appropriate software can play podcasts.


Apparently some of our digital laws do not cover, just yet, podcasting. So many people have taking to creating these podcast which are becoming very popular. Although you are still required to obtain certain licenses for legal podcast.

We are exploring the possibility of creating a weekly or monthly podcast later this year. Since we have a huge library of independent celtic music, we could definitely show case an hour long program of some of the finest, newest and independent celtic music around.

So, the purpose of the poll is to find out what everyone is thinking about podcasting and then to base our decision on that.

Thanks!

Posted by: dfilpus 29-Apr-2005, 07:03 AM
I purchased an iPod shuffle right after they became available just for podcasts. I use it as an audio magazine, which I can carry in my pocket and listen to anywhere. It has been useful in waiting rooms for the doctor, dentist and car mechanic. It plugs into my car stereo. When I have been driving crosscountry, there are sections of the country where over the air radio is intermittent or all junk. I turn on the iPod and can listen to content I like for hours at a time, pausing when stopppng for gas, rest breaks and food. Normally, there is room on my iPod, but for long trips, I fill it with music, so when I get to the end of the podcasts, I can listen to music.

There is currently a great deal of variety in podcasts, but there is not enough Celtic music. The only pure Celtic music is the excellent http://podcast.celticmusicnews.com/ We can use more.

My podcast list includes:
http://radio.weblogs.com/0001014/categories/dailySourceCode/ - The father of the podcast
http://www.catholicinsider.com/ - Father Roderick Rocks!
http://www.pocketsymphony.com/mousepod/B520374309/index.html - Disneyiana
as well as some technical podcasts.

Posted by: MDF3530 29-Apr-2005, 08:58 AM
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Apparently some of our digital laws do not cover, just yet, podcasting. So many people have taking to creating these podcast which are becoming very popular. Although you are still required to obtain certain licenses for legal podcast.


Technology is always about five years ahead of the law.

I wouldn't be suprised if, due to more and more communities going wireless, it will not be long before you can get live streaming audio on your iPod.

Posted by: Aaediwen 30-Apr-2005, 08:18 PM
Got a 10 GB 3G Ipod

Not sure if I'd use a podcast or not though. I might

Posted by: dfilpus 01-May-2005, 07:52 AM
Podcasts come in many forms. Some are mp3 archives of broadcast or internet radio programs. Some are one person at his computer talking and mixing in music. These can be interesting or very boring. Some podcasts include elements which can make them interesting or even compelling.

Sound Scenes - Adam Curry and Father Roderick are great at these. The concept is taking your audience for a tour of a location, an event or just everyday life, continuously commenting on the event or just recording what is going on. Sound Scenes of a Highland games could be fascinating.

Interviews - Interviewing somebody interesting either in person or by phone (or VOIP) is great content. Celtic Music News did an hour with the lead from Black 47, talking about the band. I would love an interview with Heather Dale or Mark Saul.

Listener Contributed Content - Record reviews, interviews, general comments can be recorded as voice messages or submitted as mp3s and editted into the podcast.

The range of content is open. Podcasts can be constructed, rather than recorded straight through. I love the idea. I will help.
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Posted by: Macfive 09-May-2005, 01:08 PM
Well, the brakes might be coming on for the CelticRadio.net podcasting. Read the latest from RAIN:

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Just days after Chicago air personality Steve Dahl announced the
availability of podcasts of his show from his website, Infinity
Broadcasting, owner of WCKG-FM, has put a stop to it.

Infinity lawyers have apparently "determined that the rights agreements
covering live streaming of programs do not necessarily cover
downloadable versions of those same shows," reports the Chicago Tribune.


Dahl has also suspended making downloads of his show available for the
time being. "The pioneers get the arrows and the settlers get the land.
You'd think I'd get that right after all of these years," wrote Dahl on
his site.

Read more in today's issue of "RAIN: Radio And Internet Newsletter,"
online now at http://www.kurthanson.com .

Posted by: celticpodcast 14-May-2005, 10:53 PM
Hey all, i noticed by the links coming in that I was being mentioned here again, sorry I don't get back as much as I would like. This is Aaron Drake by the way, I run the Celtic Music News Podcast.

On the legality of music on podcasts, there is only one way to play music on podcasts, that is if the artist owns it completely, and if they give permission. There is no way to obtain licensing for it in a traditional or webcast sense. The RIAA has stated that podcasts are not covered by anything yet.

Every artist on my show is approached individually, it used to be by me, but now James Douglas of the band Callanish has pretty much taken that over from me. There are a LOT of things going on behind the scenes right now that I am trying to get organised.

Actually contacting you guys who run this site is on my list of things to do, and I thought I would have to be doing a lot of explaining but since you guys are getting the concept I think we will need to have a talk sooner rather than later. Contact me at [email protected], I will be available most of monday and tuesday for talking, leave me a # if u want me to give u a call.

Actually, anyone here interested in particapating, please emaill me as well, see below for more.

Replying to Dfilpus:
Soundseeing tours can be great, I did attempt one a couple of weeks ago, and here is a lesson, do NOT take your 2.5 year old daughter with you smile.gif As anyone who listened to the show heard she tends to babble, so I didnt get much of the soundseeing bit done...Adam does get some good ones but Father Roderick does rule at this.

The interviews, I have more to come, lots more....but while i did the first one using skype, skype became problematic, I will be getting some hardware to handle this in the near future, but its been a couple of tight months on the finances, maybe I will just say the hell with it and do some more with skype.

Listener Contributed Content. This is a biggie...a very biggie I think, and I really want to get this going more. Or maybe less of a "listener" contributed and more of a having a dozen or 2 people in different areas to go to shows, interview people, do reviews, etc. This is one I am working on, and want more people for this. I have one person in Calgary who will be doing this soon.

and to your other post...on we can use more....ok if more is what u want smile.gif Seriously....I want to do more....but let me say that the amount of work to put this together is staggering....you have to contact every single artist, and a lot of times thats not enough, u also have to talk to their manager in cases, or their PR guy/girl, and email them lots of details, then follow up, wait for a response, not get one, follow up again, be told to talk to the manager, have him forward u back the the band, etc...then assuming that they do own all the rights to the music, and u dont happen to own a copy, wait for the CD to get here as well. It is not always that bad to be sure, sometimes its, Sounds fantastic, where can we send music?

There is a big problem as well, Marc Gunn and I discussed this a couple of weeks ago, that most of the rock type bands do get it and understand that this is a good way to promote themselves, but the more traditional an artist is the more likely it is that they wont "get it".

Ok, It is way past my bedtime, and I hope i havent bored you, I will make sure to check in again, probably tomorrow, but maybe on monday, like is said, you guys who run this site, please contact me, and anyone who wants to participate also contact me as well. If you have ideas let me know them.

Cheers,
Aaron
[email protected]
http://celticmusicnews.com

Posted by: Macfive 15-May-2005, 03:43 PM
Thanks for stopping by again Aaron!

Yes, the content that Celtic Radio plays is a mix of independent and label. We can do this because of the fees we pay to our provider.

Podcasting really does not fit well with the model we have decided to build our site upon. We would have to get licensed again (duplicate) just to podcast the songs we play.

Perhaps there are someways we can work together. Drop me an email when you get a chance! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: celticpodcast 15-May-2005, 09:24 PM
QUOTE (Macfive @ 15-May-2005, 05:43 PM)
Thanks for stopping by again Aaron!

Yes, the content that Celtic Radio plays is a mix of independent and label. We can do this because of the fees we pay to our provider.

Podcasting really does not fit well with the model we have decided to build our site upon. We would have to get licensed again (duplicate) just to podcast the songs we play.

Perhaps there are someways we can work together. Drop me an email when you get a chance! thumbsup.gif

Thanks, I'd love to be coming in more, and I will try to...I really am just deluged with things at the moment...If someone wants to send me $50k i'd be glad to take the year off and just work on this stuff smile.gif But since the odds are pretty small on that one I'll just keep slugging through things as I can.

Hey, since u can play label stuff, that I cant, how about adding some spirit of the west to your playlist? smile.gif I can't play much due to legal concerns.

Sadly even if u wanted to fork out the $ for licensing there isnt any way that you can as of yet, but I will be watching that as well, it would open up my playlists quite a lot.

There definately are ways to work together, and I will be getting to you on that in the near future, I am working on organising some of them. My most immediate priority right now is finding a good way to organise my information that I have right now.

Thanks,
Aaron

Posted by: celticpodcast 19-May-2005, 12:55 PM
Something interesting for you all. There is not a podcast radio station in San Fran, my show was broadcast yesterday (show 18) 6 times throughout the day, I've uploaded more, so hopefully it will be getting the word out more.

Cheers,
Aaron

Posted by: Macfive 17-Jul-2005, 08:12 PM
Yes, there is only so much you can accomplish given limited time and of course 2.5 year olds running around! biggrin.gif

We have focused pretty much on the music, not really a DJ broadcasting, commentary, interviews. We definitely will try that stuff later down the road.

We are assembling some recording type equipment and consolidating our studio with everything we need. Perhaps 2006 we might enter the podcasting scene once everything is worked out.

To show you how busy I am; my iPod has not been charged in 2 months. So tonight I have it charging and I am going to try and figure out how to download a podcast! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Avonlea22 18-Jul-2005, 07:11 PM
I voted no. It sounds kinda cool, but right now, it's not a priority. Maybe someday.

Posted by: Macfive 18-Jul-2005, 07:20 PM
QUOTE (Avonlea22 @ 18-Jul-2005, 10:11 PM)
I voted no. It sounds kinda cool, but right now, it's not a priority. Maybe someday.

Podcasting suppose to be the latest greater thing, but to be honest with you I am just not that into it yet! I don't see it taking over internet radio, but some people say it is going to eclipse even regular radio someday.

Maybe I am more of a stationary guy. I got to work, I come home, I go to work, I come home, I go to the beach, I come home! smile.gif

I find that the iPod is good around the house, but not in the car and certainly not on the beach! smile.gif


Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 18-Jul-2005, 08:18 PM
I haven't been able to figure out what the appeal is in podcasting. I use my Sprint PPC-6601 to stream music in my car, at work, and anywhere else I get a Sprint signal. I can also use it for surfing the internet, handling email, and making phone calls. I can also watch internet television, such as news updates from BBC Ulster TV. A single use ipod seems like a step backward to me. But then, I may be just an old-fashioned reactionary.
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Posted by: Macfive 18-Jul-2005, 08:29 PM
Well, the other item I was thinking about - and I don't mean to be putting down podcasting, thats not what I am trying to do - but it probably surely looks like it running an internet radio webcast! rolleyes.gif

But with podcasting you are actually downloading a file and if it is a music podcast you are more or less downloading that file - even though it might be part of a broadcast, it is probably much easier to store that as a mp3 and less of a reason to purchase that CD. I would think the artist would want to be compensated as a download. Just a thought.

Personally, I prefer to get a sampling of music. I don't have time to create a playlist everytime. Although maybe with Podcasting that might be an appeal - to download a predetermined show or music selection.

The other part of podcasting that is becoming popular is shuffle mode. I guess some radio stations are taking this format too.

One thing I would like to point out is that Highlander Radio is not a shuffle mode broadcast - or randomize broadcast. Not only do we use weight rankings and listener rankings, but we have a special formula to serve the music. Yes, we listen to each and every track and place it in a special catagory and then rotate those catagories to create highs and lows in the broadcast.

Well, I am probably in the minority, but just wanted to agree with you about podcasts.




Posted by: Avonlea22 19-Jul-2005, 07:18 AM
QUOTE (Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas @ 18-Jul-2005, 10:18 PM)
A single use ipod seems like a step backward to me.

I think I'd have to agree. It seems Cell phones and PDA's have a brighter future. I just can't see myself sitting down at my computer and transferring files every time I wanted a new Podcast. I guess it has it's advantages, such as choosing only the casts that interest you, but still doesn't seem worth it. I'm sure cell phones will soon have the capanility to store mp3 files, and then what becomes of Podcasts? It will be interesting to see what's ahead of us.


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I use my Sprint PPC-6601 to stream music in my car, at work, and anywhere else I get a Sprint signal. I can also use it for surfing the internet, handling email, and making phone calls. I can also watch internet television, such as news updates from BBC Ulster TV.


That is quite cool. Is it expensive to use those features? Do they use airtime? Can regular speakers or headphones be plugged into the phone for better listening quality?
I'm intrigued. smile.gif

Posted by: OBH 19-Jul-2005, 07:49 AM
I get a weekly podcast from the Bluegrass Preservation Society through an RSS feed using Opera's newsfeed client. It's a recording of Ewell's hour long radio show but it's not the highest quality, I guess they do that to keep the file size small enough to be practical. I download the podcasts to a file on my computer and listen using Winamp, no iPod needed. Ewell doesn't have the licensing problems discussed above, he records all the music he plays himself at little concerts he puts on with mostly local bands in the Gassaway, West Virginia area. The bands get free world wide exposure and Ewell gets free content for his programs, everybody wins.

As for an iPod, I have no plans to get one. I don't like using those little ear buds, I can't enjoy music like that. If I need music for the road, I just take along some CDs.

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 20-Jul-2005, 04:48 AM
QUOTE (Avonlea22 @ 19-Jul-2005, 09:18 AM)
That is quite cool. Is it expensive to use those features? Do they use airtime? Can regular speakers or headphones be plugged into the phone for better listening quality?
I'm intrigued. smile.gif

Sprint Vision (unlimited data when used with the device) is $10 to $30/month--mine is a grandfathered $10 plan. Vision is an add-on to any voice plan and does not use minutes. The biggest expense is the device, which retails for $630, but is frequently discounted to $300 to $350.
I use either wired or bluetooth stereo headphones, and can also plug it into the radio in my car. With a 1GB SD card, I can also load several CD's of music on the device for listening when out of range of the Sprint network (which for me is rare) or when the network gets too congested for streaming without excessive buffering.

Posted by: Macfive 04-Aug-2005, 06:36 PM
The latest newsletter from RAIN has some late breaking news on podcasting. As I feared, the RIAA is considering music played on PODCASTS as a download which means you must have an agreement with the license holder.

Here is the email excerpt:


Even though record labels and webcasters have a blanket licensing agreement for
streaming, no such agreement exists for podcasting. And that's frustrating to
those who'd like to produce podcasts using major label music.

RIAA attorney Steven Marks explained to USA Today that podcasting, because it is
a download, must be licensed by individual copyright owners (as opposed to
collectively licensed). Podcasters say to do so is logistically impossible.

Read more from USA Today in today's issue of "RAIN: Radio And Internet
Newsletter," online now at http://www.kurthanson.com.

Posted by: Reindeer 11-Aug-2005, 01:07 PM
I'd love to figure out how to get Aaron Drake's podcast. I have an iMac, with Tiger, and an iPod, but I'm more technically challenged than I thought. i learned about his podcast in one of Marc Gunn's newsletters.

If I knew how to download Aaron's, I'm sure I'd listen to it in the truck. I hardly turn on the stereo tuner anymore--I have my iPod hooked up through the truck stereo system, that's all I listen to while driving. I'm thinking of getting satellite radio, it depends on if there's any Celtic stations available. I'm just tired of listening to all the commercials and the radio "personalities" on the FM/AM stations.

When I'm driving I want to here music.

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