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The Confererate Flag, How do we all feel about it?

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Nova Scotian	Posted: 25-May-2007, 09:02 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Scotland Posts: 916 Joined: 09-Mar-2005 Zodiac: Rowan Realm: Tampa Florida	Growing up in the North, I use to think it was about racism. I thought the South was backward and hated everyone who wasn't white. I was very wrong. Actually, I saw and heard more racism in New Jersey then in the South. I know a lot of Black/African Americans who actually have no problem with the Confederate flag. The county that I live in in the early 90s had to change the whole County Seal because there was a confederate flag on it. I find it interesting that most of the black folks I know either didn't care or were mad that they were taking it away. I personally don't think it represents racism. Yes, racist groups use it. I don't personally know any KKK members. That is I don't think I do. The confederate flag is about Southern Pride in my eye no matter what color you are. It's too bad raciest groups use it to promote their cause. I see blacks and white living in harmony down here more so then I did growing up in the North East. So my personal opinion of the confederate flag is just leave it alone. It's sad that whenever I go visit where I grew up, friends, even family ask me, "how do I put up with living around such backward, simple headed people?" Refering to southerners in general. Just what kind of statement is that now! If the North is soooooo perfect. -------------------- ALL4114Christ! 343 Their blood cries out! NEVER FORGET 9/11! The 2nd Ammendment. The original Homeland Security! "To those who would follow laws; laws need not apply. Those who would not follow laws; laws will have no affect upon." Plato I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. C. S. Lewis

John Clements	Posted: 25-May-2007, 11:11 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 1,466 Joined: 26-Oct-2005 Zodiac: Elder	To me, a flag is only as good as the actions of the person holding it. -------------------- We�re all poets, only some of us write it down. JC 9/27/08 Anyone who has the courage to disagree, deserves all do respect. JC 4/28/08 Life is a loosing battle, so you might as well live it up. J.C. 3/29/08 Life should be like skiing, you have the most fun on the way down. J.C. 8/17/07 Take their word for it, and that�s just what you�ll get. J.C. 3/19/07 Only the truth is worth the ultimate sacrifice. J.C. 1/26/06 Compared to the far right, the far left is somewhere in the middle. J.C. 2/22/06 I�ll be the first to apologies, as long as I get one back. J.C. 3/7/06 It�s a happy man, who can laugh at himself. If you�re looking for a new experience, don�t hire someone with a lot of it. J.C. sometime in 1990

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Posted: 25-May-2007, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE (John Clements @ 25-May-2007, 12:11 PM)

To me, a flag is only as good as the actions of the person holding it.

That's a good point JC.

Aaediwen	Posted: 25-May-2007, 04:13 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Super Moderator Posts: 3,069 Joined: 09-Oct-2003 Zodiac: Holly Realm: Kentucky	The Confederate flag is and was a symbol of a society and of a cause (arguably I guess one would have to call the CSA a proper nation as well). It is a proud and honorable symbol just the same as the Stars and Stripes. As such, it is a proud part of our history. I choose not to fly it simply because I have no desire to. If I did want to, I'd fly it just as I would say an Irish or Scottish flag (proudly, but below Old Glory, as would be proper in the US). Anyone who has a problem with that needs a major history lesson. If you're offended by a flag, then go back to school! And while you're at it, you might study the very REAL history of the Holocaust, and not repeat Hitler's mistake. -------------------- Poet and seeker of knowledge

Sekhmet	Posted: 25-May-2007, 04:44 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 898 Joined: 08-Sep-2004 Zodiac: Alder Realm: Pittsburgh-ish, Pennsylvania	Unfortunately, the "rebel flag" has been hijacked by people whose morals and um...distinct world view...have little to do with the symbolism and emotional attachment that it originally (and rightfully) had at its creation and still does today. And that is what makes it into pop culture, and many people look no further and hop on the bandwagon. Don't get me ranting...

macdufftaylor	Posted: 25-May-2007, 08:53 PM
Peasant Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 3 Joined: 15-May-2007 Zodiac: Birch	the flag to me is the flag my great grandfather and his 4 brothers fought for to keep from having unfair taxes and tariffs place upon his crops . there were no slaves on the macduff farm just scotts that wanted to be free to farm .that war cost my family very dearly. 1st my great great grand mother murdered .2nd every head of livestock killed .the yankees did not even use the meat they just left all the cows pigs sheep to rot.and 3rd the loss of my name .because after the war the five boys took my great great grand mothers maiden name of Taylor another Scottish name . to keep from being hung for not surrendering to the north the old saying the victors aways write the history books.and the idiots who just want to hate just because it is easy to be stupid you have to work to be smart.i guess it is easy to ban the flag of honorable hard working farmers .than to go after a bunch of stupid drug dealing wimps that cant not fight unless it 20 to1 odds thank you macduff taylor ps the 5 lads rest on a hill on my land uder the stars and bars and the flag of scotland

parkers1 I'm away until 12/31/2014	Posted: 25-May-2007, 11:23 PM
Clan Member Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 68 Joined: 13-Apr-2005 Zodiac: Reed Realm: Down Texas way - Round Rock, Tx	A flag is a symbol of a people coming together for a common cause.Living in Texas the flying of the Confederate flag or symbol is always being challeneged and I for one don't understand why! For some it is their history, who are we to judge what was for some a very just and worthy cause. Word is the family originally comes from Ireland, I have southern blood in my viens and I was born and raised up north so go figure....... -------------------- Al down Texas way

maisky	Posted: 26-May-2007, 05:05 AM
King of CelticRadio.net Jesters Group: Founder Posts: 4,633 Joined: 17-Nov-2003 Zodiac: Ivy Realm: Easton, PA	The south lost the civil war. Get over it. The confederate flag has, unfortunatlely become a symbol of racism and hatred in the US....so sad. -------------------- "If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe." Carl Sagan

Nova Scotian	Posted: 26-May-2007, 05:23 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Scotland Posts: 916 Joined: 09-Mar-2005 Zodiac: Rowan Realm: Tampa Florida	It's a sad story. Yes the South did lose the war. I don't have any direct relatives that fought in it. But seeing both sides, it's easy to say the South lost get over it. History is history. It's funny. In Nova Scotia, I've seen the Rebel flag flying. I usually laugh when I see it but there were those in NS that were sympathetic to the Souths cause. However, if a Canadian ever comes to the South, don't ever make the mistake of calling a Southerner a "Yank". I still say let the flag fly.

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Posted: 26-May-2007, 05:30 AM

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QUOTE (maisky @ 26-May-2007, 06:05 AM)

The south lost the civil war. Get over it.

The confederate flag has, unfortunatlely become a symbol of racism and hatred in the US....so sad.

To reply to your remark for the record. I'll quote Mr. John Clements .

"To me, a flag is only as good as the actions of the person holding it."

Most of the people holding it, that I know, are anything but racist. I even know a few Black folks who have it in their houses or wear it on a pin.

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Posted: 26-May-2007, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE (maisky @ 26-May-2007, 02:05 AM)

The south lost the civil war. Get over it.

The confederate flag has, unfortunatlely become a symbol of racism and hatred in the US....so sad.

Save your Dixie cups, the south WILL rise again!!!!

Now, which Confederate flag are we discussing again? I can't keep track of them all.

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or is it this one?
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The arguments over the Confederate Battle Flag, the union of the third confederate national flag (NOT "the Confederate flag") is much like the arguments over Native American names and images associated with sports teams. It's a lot of hot air and manure spread around by liberal white people that means very little to the minority people they allege to represent.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

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Shadows	Posted: 26-May-2007, 10:54 AM
Reader of souls, vision seeker, TROLL Group: Super Moderator Posts: 4,792 Joined: 20-Jun-2003 Zodiac: Holly Realm: The frontier of Penn's Woods	Huzzah again Swanny! The voice of reason again rises up... A flag is a flag and what one associates with that flag changes like some of us change our drawers. Be certain of your challenges and have the facts straight. -------------------- I support the separation of church and hate! IMAGINATION - the freest and largest nation in the world! One can not profess to be of "GOD" and show intolerence and prejudice towards the beliefs of others. Am fear nach gleidh na h�airm san t�sith, cha bhi iad aige �n am a� chogaidh. He that keeps not his arms in time of peace will have none in time of war. "We're all in this together , in the parking lot between faith and fear" ... O.C.M.S. �Beasts feed; man eats; only the man of intellect knows how to eat well.� "Without food we are nothing, without history we are lost." - SHADOWS Is iomadh duine laghach a mhill an Creideamh. Religion has spoiled many a good man. The clan MacEwen

stevenpd	Posted: 26-May-2007, 11:06 AM
Celtic Guardian Group: Founder Posts: 2,900 Joined: 15-Feb-2002 Zodiac: Reed Realm: Fountain Valley, Calif.	I thought it was this one. or it could be this one too. Go ahead and pick one. To be politically incorrect, it has been hijacked and perverted to today's relative standards. Historically, it is a symbol of a dark period in America's constant struggle for freedom for all, internally in this case. "To me, a flag is only as good as the actions of the person holding it." Well said. -------------------- 2018 Vote in the 2018 Music Awards Dear Lord, lest I continue in my complacent ways, help me to remember that someone died for me today. And if there be war, help me to remember to ask and to answer "am I worth dying for?" - Eleanor Roosevelt The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer, English Philosopher (1820-1903)

TheCarolinaScotsman	Posted: 26-May-2007, 07:34 PM
Celtic Guardian Group: Celtic Nation Posts: 2,509 Joined: 13-Jun-2003 Zodiac: Birch Realm: North Carolina Medieval Kingdom Rank #76 41,933 Gold!	Most of the Confederate soldiers neither owned slaves nor were they fighting to uphold slavery. They were fighting what they saw as interference in their own states and what they perceived as an attack on their homeland. As an example, NC planned to remain neutral, but when the federal governemnt demanded they send troops to the Union or else, they seceded. I had two gggrandfathers , four ggrandfathers and numerous gg uncles who fought. Some died, some were wounded, some captured. All of them fought to protect their homes. None were slave owners. I am proud to honor their memory and I hold those who would sully their memory, their cause and their honor with racist bulls**t in utter contempt. My father was raised by his grandfather who was a Confederate veteran. He was wounded January 15, 1865 in the final Union assault on Fort Fisher, NC. But he raised my father to become a minister who preached for equal rights and integration in the the 1950s from his pulpit in the rural south. My father was threatened by the KKK. But he did not bend. Because he was raised with honor by a Confederate veteran. -------------------- TheCarolinaScotsman Ya'll drive safe and come back soon.

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Posted: 26-May-2007, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 26-May-2007, 08:34 PM)

Most of the Confederate soldiers neither owned slaves nor were they fighting to uphold slavery. They were fighting what they saw as interference in their own states and what they perceived as an attack on their homeland. As an example, NC planned to remain neutral, but when the federal governemnt demanded they send troops to the Union or else, they seceded. I had two gggrandfathers , four ggrandfathers and numerous gg uncles who fought. Some died, some were wounded, some captured. All of them fought to protect their homes. None were slave owners. I am proud to honor their memory and I hold those who would sully their memory, their cause and their honor with racist bulls**t in utter contempt.

My father was raised by his grandfather who was a Confederate veteran. He was wounded January 15, 1865 in the final Union assault on Fort Fisher, NC. But he raised my father to become a minister who preached for equal rights and integration in the the 1950s from his pulpit in the rural south. My father was threatened by the KKK. But he did not bend. Because he was raised with honor by a Confederate veteran.

Excellent bit of history there!

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