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Posted by: deckers 03-Aug-2004, 09:57 AM

My mother's family is Fisher. And while we're still not sure whether it's Scottish or French (they may have dropped the "c" at Ellis Island), I'm pretty sure it's Scottish.

The only genealogy I've been able to do on this side of the family is to learn that the Fishers were part of the Campbell clan. I have not been able to find any information here about the Campbells. Does anyone have any resources they can point me toward?

Erik Deckers

Posted by: Balachasen 02-Oct-2004, 06:19 PM

Maideann mhath,

Just to spice up your search about Campbells, The clan Cambell are known for accepting the hospitality of the McDonalds for 2 weeks and then repaying the favour by turning around and slaughtering all McDonalds in sight. There are songs about it.
There are campbells in different regions of scotland.

Mar sin leat an drasda,

Balachasen.

Posted by: Sekhmet 02-Oct-2004, 06:45 PM

If you can, get a look at the website at Ellis Island and see if you can find your family's listing. It *should* (no guarantees) list from what country your family emigrated. That'll narrow down whether or not your family was Scots. It's also possible that if the surname was originally Fischer, that it was German.

Posted by: urian 06-Oct-2004, 07:31 PM

Heres the clan's north american website.
Mayhap that will help

http://www.ccsna.org/

Posted by: sisterknight 27-Feb-2006, 06:30 PM

we have roots in clan campbell and have done some of the line works you should also check out the canada clan campbell federation publication.the duke of argyll is the chief, the honourary cheif executive is alastair campbell of airds,there are 87 different septs that are under the clan.there is also a north american society as well. ccs(na)website is www.ccsna.org

Posted by: QueenofArgyll 09-Apr-2006, 08:17 PM

Erik,

Have you found the information you were seeking?

Slainte
Michelle Campbell
Membership Chairwoman
Clan Campbell Society of Arizona

PS, The MacDonald/Campbell is much more complicated than that response you received.

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 11-Apr-2006, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (QueenofArgyll @ 09-Apr-2006, 09:17 PM)

PS, The MacDonald/Campbell is much more complicated than that response you received.

As I understand it, Clan Donald and Clan Campbell differed primarily in the degree of loyalty extended to the King of Scotland. For all practical purposes, the Clan Donald High Chief, while styled the "Lord of the Isles," essentially acted as a king in the territory controlled by Clan Donald, which included parts of Ireland, Scotland, and the Western Isles. Accordingly, Clan Donald tended to operate relatively independently of more centralized authority.
On the other hand, Clan Campbell tended to support the central government, whether Edinburgh or London.
As to the Glencoe Massacre, while carried out by Campbells, it was ordered by London.
The Clan Donald/Clan Campbell "rivalry" is greatly over-stated. In my own lineage, I have direct ancestors in both clans, and suspect there are many others who can say the same.

Posted by: Camac 28-Jan-2008, 01:23 PM

29/01/08

deckers;

You have taken on a large task in looking into Clan Campbell. If it helps there are four main branches Argyll. Breadalbane, Cawdor, and Loudon. There are also two schools of though into the origin of the name .Some argue that the name is Norman fron de Campo Bello and others say its Gaelic from the Cam Buel ( Crooked Mouth). There is also argument as to whether they are a Sept of the MacArthurs or direct decendents of the Diarmids. What ever the arguement they rose to prominence under James the 1st after the downfall of the MacArthursand are now the largest and most prominent of all the clans.

Camac

Posted by: 0Ash0Tree0 09-Feb-2008, 12:40 PM

You may read that the Campbells are a sept of the clan MacArthur...or that it's the other way around...But I think it's safe to say that the MacArthurs came first as they're one of the oldest known clans in Scotland. As the MacArthur's fortunes wained the Campbells took over (the Medieval period I think).

Posted by: Camac 09-Feb-2008, 01:38 PM

09/02/08

The Campbell and the Macarthurs were both staunch supporters of The Bruce and fought at Bannockburn. The rise of the Campbell to dominance occured in 1428 when James the First returned from captivity in England and summoned Parliament to meet in Inverness. During this Parliament James had cause to arrest Ian MacArthur ( of whom it was said could command 1000 men on the field) and have him executed. By this act the MacArthur were broken and all lands an titles were given to the Campbells. If you wish there is a reprint of an article written by Lady Mary MacGrigor enttiled " The MacArthurs of Tirevadich (Cladich)" on the Clan Arthur web site.

Camac.

Posted by: Camac 09-Feb-2008, 01:42 PM

09/02/08

Balachasen;

The massacre of the MacDonalds at Glenco was merely the last and most infamous of a series of massacre both sides committed over more than a century of fueding.

Camac.

Balachasen: There is nothing older

Unless the hills

MacArthur

And the Devil.

Posted by: 0Ash0Tree0 09-Feb-2008, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (Camac @ 09-Feb-2008, 02:38 PM)

Thanks for the back up...I think we, the MacArthurs, got Argyle from the Bruce.

Posted by: Camac 09-Feb-2008, 02:35 PM

09/02/08

OASHOTREEO;

The Macarthur were in Argyll long before The Bruce. The MacArthurs are said to be the oldest of all the clans and claim descent from King Arthur as thesaying in Argyllshire goes; There is nothing older than the hills
, Macarthur and the Devil.

"Cruic! is Uillt 'is Ailpainich, Ach cuin A Thainig Arthairich"

THE HILLS AND STREAMS AND MACALPINE. BUT WHENCE CAME FORTH MACARTHUR.
If as is claimed the Macarthur descent from Arthur then they go back to the 6th Century A.C.E. The Bruce Family (de Brus) is of Norman origins.

Camac.

Posted by: 0Ash0Tree0 09-Feb-2008, 03:04 PM

QUOTE (Camac @ 09-Feb-2008, 03:35 PM)

I ment were given Argyle and Skye as rewards for our loyalty.

Posted by: Camac 12-Feb-2008, 07:47 PM

12/02/08

OashOtreeO

After Bannockburn, the Bruce rewarded the MacArthurs with the lands of the MacDougalls. This merely added to the Land they already held on the south shore of Loch Awe. The Campbells were rewarded with the marriage of one of The Bruce's daughter can't remember which,I'll have to look it up.There is an excellent book on the Campbell written by Alastair Campbell of Airds, the official historian for the Campbell Clan. It is in 2 vol. and rather exspensive.

Camac.

Posted by: 0Ash0Tree0 12-Feb-2008, 07:50 PM

I'll take land over a marriage any day.

Posted by: Camac 13-Feb-2008, 01:13 PM

13/02/08

OAshOTreeO;

As I don't know how much you have dug into your Heritage I will suggest if I may you look into the following sites on Google if you have not already done so;

Clan Arthur; Clan MacArthur' and Electric Scotland.

Camac

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 19-Feb-2008, 03:56 PM

Oh My!!!
Clan Campbell and Clan MacNaughton are so very intertwined throughout their histories. Land and peoples. To know the Campbell clan one must read of the MacNaughton clan. Heck at one time their clan castles were 3 miles apart!!! A MacNaugton gave witness that caused the Campbell clan chief to lose his head. A Campbell tricked a MacNaughton into marrying the wrong daughter and be charged with incest. One killed and tricked the other with regularity.

History out performs any modern day soap opera !
Fred, of the
Clan MacNaughton

Posted by: michaelpthompson 06-Jul-2008, 04:12 PM

This is fascinating reading! My step grandmother was a McNaughton, so I have a link there, though not by blood. Our surname, Thompson, is associated with Campbell, though I haven't been able to trace it back to the old country with any certainty yet. The scary part is that it may actually be English! Help me!

Posted by: 0Ash0Tree0 06-Jul-2008, 05:01 PM

wanna know something funny? My dad (and me) are McKnights AKA McNaughtons...oh the fun of trying to figure my family out....

Posted by: Camac 07-Jul-2008, 07:36 AM

QUOTE (michaelpthompson @ 06-Jul-2008, 05:12 PM)

michealthompson;

I'm a Campbell by birth and a MacArthur by adoption. To get a good overall history of the Clan Campbell I suggest you read "A History of Clan Campbell,Vol1 & 2 by Alistair Campbell of Airds. Also go to Electric Scotland on the web.
For a closer genealogical trace try the Mormons. They have the most extensive records in the world.

Camac.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 07-Jul-2008, 08:53 AM

Hi Cousins!!!,

Camac points out a good site for some info on clans at www.electricscotland.com. Specifically,
http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/m/macnach.html
for MacNaughton.

Also,
http://clanmacnaughton.net/index.html
for the Official clan site.

There is also a McNaught clan of Irish ancestry from Doneghal.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~naughton/
http://www.surnamedb.com/surname.aspx?name=McNaught

The Campbells and MacNaughton clans are truly intertwined in history and there is plenty of good reading on the internet for both clans. Their shared ancestral borders, families and septs switched alleginaces from clan to clan, as fortunes and luck changed over time. MacDougall is also closely intertwined with MacNaughton.

0Ash0Tree0, There is a story in one of my ancestors diary that states when the Nutts, later McNutts, were still in Ireland, they went by Mcknight and changed it to Nutt in the states in or around 1730.

michaelthompson, poor fella, a Campbell and English, oh my!!

UlsterScotNutt

Posted by: Camac 07-Jul-2008, 09:04 AM

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 07-Jul-2008, 09:53 AM)

UlsterScotNutt

USN;

Lets keep the Campbell/Sassenach connection Sub Rosa. After all I'm reallya Campbell, but a "guid un" as I was born to the Catholic side.

Camac.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 07-Jul-2008, 11:09 AM

Camac, From what I can tell on my MacNaughton side, we were Protestants from amongst the Catholics in the Doneghal area of northern Ireland. The family was most likely a very early Scots family in the Ulster Plantation movement, early 1600, most likely at the time of The Flight of The Earls, 1607. The family remained Protestant thru my paternal grandfather Fred Cornelius McNutt who married a Roman Catholic Chilean, my grandmother Luzmiera Pinto. My father and mother were both raised RC, my father by Jesuits. Neither of them were practising RC's, though they did send me and my siblings to Catholic school, me thru 5th grade and my sister and brother thru 8th grade. I guess I was incorigible!!
Some were else I talk about the fight I got into with a Campbell in 5th grade.

USN

Posted by: Camac 07-Jul-2008, 12:17 PM

USN;

Off subject for a moment.

You mentioned your Dad being raised by Jesuits. On one of the overseas jobs my Dad had we went along with him and I was sent to a Jesuit Boarding School for a year. "Twas Hell upon Earth" those guys were warped.

Camac.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 07-Jul-2008, 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Camac @ 07-Jul-2008, 01:17 PM)

Camac, well "warped" is alittle strong, perhaps "dedicated to a cause with single minded determination to purpose and you better toe the line or else" kinda guys is a better description .
USN

Posted by: Camac 07-Jul-2008, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 07-Jul-2008, 01:41 PM)

QUOTE (Camac @ 07-Jul-2008, 01:17 PM)

Camac, well "warped" is alittle strong, perhaps "dedicated to a cause with single minded determination to purpose and you better toe the line or else" kinda guys is a better description .
USN

USN;

Last comment then back to topic. They are dedicated. Methinks they are Templars with an attitude.

Camac.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 07-Jul-2008, 03:42 PM

It just dawned on me, a MacNaughton budding into the Campbells topic!!!!!!!!

Now if I could just find were you keep the cows and chickens!!!

USN

Posted by: Camac 07-Jul-2008, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 07-Jul-2008, 04:42 PM)

It just dawned on me, a MacNaughton budding into the Campbells topic!!!!!!!!

Now if I could just find were you keep the cows and chickens!!!

USN

USN;

I was just looking at my Clan map. You poor buggers caught between the Campbell and the MacArthur. It's a wonder you survived. BTW. The MacArthur have the sheep and chickens.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 08-Jul-2008, 06:59 AM

QUOTE (Camac @ 07-Jul-2008, 05:18 PM)

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 07-Jul-2008, 04:42 PM)

It just dawned on me, a MacNaughton budding into the Campbells topic!!!!!!!!

Now if I could just find were you keep the cows and chickens!!!

USN

USN;

I was just looking at my Clan map. You poor buggers caught between the Campbell and the MacArthur. It's a wonder you survived. BTW. The MacArthur have the sheep and chickens.

I was looking at some old marraige records from Scotland that are now available online and was amazed to see how many MacNaughton, Campbell intermarraiages there were. I guess if you are neighbors, you either marry your cousin or you look at another clan across the ways a bit.
Clan MacNaughton did take a beating in Scotland and finally left to Ireland after losing all of their ancestral lands. Not to say you can't find any still there though.

Posted by: Camac 08-Jul-2008, 10:14 AM

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 08-Jul-2008, 07:59 AM)

QUOTE (Camac @ 07-Jul-2008, 05:18 PM)

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 07-Jul-2008, 04:42 PM)

It just dawned on me, a MacNaughton budding into the Campbells topic!!!!!!!!

Now if I could just find were you keep the cows and chickens!!!

USN

USN;

I was just looking at my Clan map. You poor buggers caught between the Campbell and the MacArthur. It's a wonder you survived. BTW. The MacArthur have the sheep and chickens.

USN; You also realize that they had a quaint custom of stealing women in those golden days of yore.

Camac.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 08-Jul-2008, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Camac @ 08-Jul-2008, 11:14 AM)

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 08-Jul-2008, 07:59 AM)

QUOTE (Camac @ 07-Jul-2008, 05:18 PM)

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 07-Jul-2008, 04:42 PM)

It just dawned on me, a MacNaughton budding into the Campbells topic!!!!!!!!

Now if I could just find were you keep the cows and chickens!!!

USN

USN;

I was just looking at my Clan map. You poor buggers caught between the Campbell and the MacArthur. It's a wonder you survived. BTW. The MacArthur have the sheep and chickens.

USN; You also realize that they had a quaint custom of stealing women in those golden days of yore.

Camac.

Women, children, goats, sheep, cattle, chickens, geese and all manner of items from wooden beams for your roof to utensils and everything in between.

I was just reading that it was a bigger crime to not assist in the recover of stolen goods than it was to actually steal the goods. Stealing was an accepted practice across the board. Apparenty this is where the phrase "Hot to Trod" originates from.
A Campbell steals a MacNaughton cow, the MacNaughtons give chase and stop at your cottage and ask for your assistance in chasing down the thief, if you did not join in Hot to Trod, you could legally be struck down on the spot.

Today Hot to trot has sexual overtones to it, but refers to being ready and willing , eager to partake.

USN

Posted by: Camac 08-Jul-2008, 12:58 PM

USN; MY Dad once told me a story, whether it is true or not, of how the MacArthurs' a neighbouring clans Kirk.

Camac.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 10-Jul-2008, 11:05 AM

QUOTE (Camac @ 08-Jul-2008, 01:58 PM)

USN; MY Dad once told me a story, whether it is true or not, of how the MacArthurs' a neighbouring clans Kirk.

Camac.

Camac you mean stole the whole kirk??!!

Posted by: Camac 10-Jul-2008, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 10-Jul-2008, 12:05 PM)

QUOTE (Camac @ 08-Jul-2008, 01:58 PM)

USN; MY Dad once told me a story, whether it is true or not, of how the MacArthurs' a neighbouring clans Kirk.

Camac.

Camac you mean stole the whole kirk??!!

USN;;
According to the story,which no one knows is true or not, the MacArthurs not only stole the Kirk stone by stone, but the priest also. Had the whole thing carried back to their lands and rebuilt. Now knowing the MacArthurs as I do I could well believe they would do this. My Dad , after the war went to Inverrary in Scotland looking for his roots and in the town library when he asked the librarian for help she answered :What would you be wanting with that gang of robbers, looters and rapers". When he told her he was a MacArthur she left him standing there.

Camac.

Posted by: 0Ash0Tree0 10-Jul-2008, 09:30 PM

you're damn right we stole your kirk, although what we'd want a priest for is beyond me, and we'd do it again. lol

You know now that I think about it, I've only met on Campbell that I've ever really gotten on with...maybe it's genetic...no offence or anything- it's just my family seems to excelle at holding grudges FOREVER

what a family legacy that is...blah.

Posted by: Camac 11-Jul-2008, 06:32 AM

QUOTE (0Ash0Tree0 @ 10-Jul-2008, 10:30 PM)

what a family legacy that is...blah.

OAshOTreeO;

One must remember that at the time of this alledged larcenous act the clans were newly converted to Catholicism and what use a Kirk without a Priest. Its a good thing there was a Convent attached to the Kirk.

Camac,

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 11-Jul-2008, 10:33 AM

Boy, the Campbells and the MacArthurs sure are a cantankerous group, eh!!!!!!! and 0Ash0Tree0, you with MacNaughten blood too!!

Posted by: Camac 11-Jul-2008, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 11-Jul-2008, 11:33 AM)

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Boy, the Campbells and the MacArthurs sure are a cantankerous group, eh!!!!!!! and 0Ash0Tree0, you with MacNaughten blood too!!

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USN;

When you consider that the Campbells are an offshoot of the MacArthurs I guess that is to be expected. Hey maybe the Kirk was the MacNaughtons'.

Camac.

PS> We'd better get back on subject.Eh.

Posted by: 0Ash0Tree0 13-Jul-2008, 05:22 AM

you should meet my family

eh, their not that bad. But your right Camac we should get back on topic...I have found nothing new...

Posted by: Camac 13-Jul-2008, 07:56 AM

QUOTE (0Ash0Tree0 @ 13-Jul-2008, 06:22 AM)

you should meet my family

eh, their not that bad. But your right Camac we should get back on topic...I have found nothing new...

To get back on subject, I believe Amergin was enquiring into the Campbell Clann.
There are four main branches of the Campbells, Argyle, Breadalbane, Loudon, and Cawdor. Breadalbane is the senior branch and the Dukedom of Argyle usually springs from that branch. Argyle, Breadalbane, and Loudon all sit within Argyllshire whereas Cawdor is located mainly to the North and east. In order to really trace ones family you have to first determine which branch you stem from. Each branch has its following of septs. In searching for the history of Clann Campbell you will find that there is argument as to who is a sept of whom when int comes to the Campbell-MacArthur relationship. Even the renowned historian Skene, in my opinion, got it wrong and places the Campbells as senior. The history of the MacArthurs' goes back long before the Campbells show up. Even to-day the argument persist but it seems the evidence is pointing more to the MacArthur Clann. As the saying in Argyleshire goes "There is Nothing Older,unless the Hills, MacArthur, or the Devil".

Camac.

Posted by: UlsterScotNutt 13-Jul-2008, 07:59 AM

Has anyone here participated in any DNA projects?

Ex: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.aspx?group=Campbell

USN

Posted by: Camac 13-Jul-2008, 08:10 AM

QUOTE (UlsterScotNutt @ 13-Jul-2008, 08:59 AM)

Has anyone here participated in any DNA projects?

Ex: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.aspx?group=Campbell

USN

USN;

No. Bit hesitant as I might find out I'm more English than Scot and then I would have to end it all

Posted by: flora 14-Jul-2008, 06:59 PM

Did anyone see the program "Battle of the Clans" on the history international channel?

I found it very interesting but didn't know if it was accurate. The DVD is available for sale but I would like someone's opinion before I buy.

Could someone also give me direction for researching ancestry for the surname Flora? Finding it difficult to weed through all ladies by the first name of Flora.

Thanks,

Flora

Posted by: Camac 14-Jul-2008, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (flora @ 14-Jul-2008, 07:59 PM)

Flora;

The only thing I can think of is to Google "Surname Flora" and see what results you get.

Camac.

Posted by: Peri 04-Feb-2012, 02:20 AM

[FONT=Geneva][I] Hello, friends and kinfolk! My mother's people were from the McArtair line, from the sept of the Campbells associated with Cawdor. My one difficulty is trying to trace why Levi McArtair left for America with his brothers. It seems no women of the family traveled with them, yet there has been speculation that they may have left to escape religious or racial persecution.

Peri Craig

Posted by: Vixie 04-Feb-2012, 09:30 AM

Hi!

I have Campbells in my genealogy that I believe came to America from Cawdor. I will try to dig out my files today (of course, they've been in my file cabinet for years until 3 days ago when I boxed them up and put them away

). I'll let you know if I find anything of interest!