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Posted: 02-Sep-2005, 01:27 AM
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Posted: 16-Sep-2005, 02:31 PM
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I always pronounce it with a k sound too. I'll even say Boston Keltics just to stir things up a bit sometimes! wink.gif


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Posted: 25-Sep-2005, 11:03 PM
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I sound "k-", even from the very first time I knew the word
when I hear somebody sounds "s-", I am not that comfortable

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well it it k but its some times sounds like s and c but its upto u how u would like to say it

keltic
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Posted: 30-Oct-2005, 10:19 PM
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Thanks wicwisworhun! I always wondered that also..what how do they say it in Glasgow?


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Keltic, unless you're referring to the current Boston team, which is obviously very Irish-influenced, where people say "Seltic".


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Posted: 22-Nov-2005, 07:36 PM
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Haha, this is probably one of the most ridiculous conversations, but I still couldn't resist replying. One of the other people mentioned C always being a k sound in gaelic. Which I say is true in Scots gaelic as well as Irish. I am learning Scots Gaelic, my sister the Irish form. Anyway, in Scottish gaelic, C is ALWAYS pronounced as K at the beginning of the word (since they don't have a K letter), example being cup in english. If C is found in any other part of the word (excluding CH, because that's a whole different sound altogether) it is pronounced as chk if it their are broad vowels around it or ch if they are slender vowels. (This gets confusing for me sometimes, having to break the way I THINK it should be said). The only other time the K sound comes up is when g is in the middle of the word and only if it is a broad consonant. S though if it is broad is an S sound in english or an SH sound if it is slender. I am unsure how Irish is, but I think it is similar. I always want to laugh when people say Seltics, I mean I'm from Texas and no one says Fajita or Tortilla wrong unless they are from up north or just trying to be funny. Neither of those words should be pronounced how they are spelled. But anyway, enough of this silly conversation. I have NO idea how the Boston Celtics became seltics, my guess is that someone didn't know how it was pronounced and it just took off from there, since many others apparently didn't either. Although the Websters' Dictionary is probably right, but they only add things into it if it takes hold in language even if it's wrong, just like slang being added in there.

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Posted: 22-Nov-2005, 11:46 PM
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QUOTE (Rapunzel5150 @ 22-Nov-2005, 08:36 PM)
Haha, this is probably one of the most ridiculous conversations,

As ridiculous as it may be or people may think that it is, this has been a bone of contention for many for years and will be for may more years to come. I've been in business for over 10 years now. My wife and I named our company 'Keltic Nations' and spelled it that way so that noone would pronounce it 'Seltic'. We didn't count on having to explain the spelling to half of the population, or didn't foresee the snickers coming from the young Irish dancers, after looking at our 8'X4' banner which my wife and I hand painted, and saying, "They misspelled it!!!". We also have never been able to figure out how countless numbers of customers have found their way to our booth at festivals, looked at our sign with the 'Keltic Nations' in a very clear font and about 10 to 12" high, and saying, "Oh!! It's Seltic Nations".


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While desiring to get to the point, yet not wishing to offend, the question is how do you pronounce "Celtic." I choose to pronounce it correctly and yet no one seems to be able to offer a definitive answer.

I pronounce it with a hard 'K' sound and have wondered why the Boston basketball team doesn't. I don't care why they do that actually, because I don't care about professional athletics.

I don't like this being left up to a majority vote for popular pronunciation, but time may have lost the answer for those purist seeking a definitive answer.
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Posted: 24-Nov-2005, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE (Kiltedbiker @ 24-Nov-2005, 01:40 AM)
While desiring to get to the point, yet not wishing to offend, the question is how do you pronounce "Celtic." I choose to pronounce it correctly and yet no one seems to be able to offer a definitive answer.

I pronounce it with a hard 'K' sound and have wondered why the Boston basketball team doesn't. I don't care why they do that actually, because I don't care about professional athletics.

I don't like this being left up to a majority vote for popular pronunciation, but time may have lost the answer for those purist seeking a definitive answer.

No offense taken and as for how to pronounce it correctly... either way is actually correct. It ultimately boils down to preference. Dictionaries have both pronunciation where preference is generally given to 'k' over 's', but 's' is still listed as a pronunciation.

Using word origin as a guideline for pronunciation, the origins being from the Greek, 'keltoi' would sway the individual to use the 'k' sound. However, english more than likely didn't take the word from the greek but more than likely from latin, "celticus" or the french "celtique". In latin, 'C' is pronounced as 'k', whereas, in french, we have the 's' sound. Using pronunciation found in gaelic doesn't really figure into the origin of the english word. Although, there are many words that have worked there way into the english language from the gaelic languages, this isn't one of them. To continue with word origins, if we use other words as guidelines, in the english langage, words derived from french or latin starting with 'ce' usually are pronounced with the 's' sound. I'm actually at a loss to think of any that don't but if any of you are inclined to open the dictionary and read, you really have too much time on your hands.

Next, apparently the move to the 'k' sound gained popularity for whatever reason, in the latter half of the 20th century. At this time, dictionaries gave preference to 'kelt' as the pronunciation key (listed first) but before hand, the 's' sound was predominant. This would explain why the football (the real football where the foot is actually used against the ball) club, the Glasgow Celtics pronounce the name with the 's' sound. The Glasgow Celtics were founded in 1888.

Ultimately, nobody is wrong, just some are more irritating about their correctness than others!! Most importantly, whether it is pronounced with a 'k' or an 's' (please, only when it isn't spelled with a K), the Ottawa Senators (pronounced with an 'S' sound), will win the Stanley Cup!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 04-Dec-2005, 01:17 AM
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Do you see what happens when you try to give a semi-scholarly answer? The thread dies!!! Back to you say tomato, I say tomato (doesn't translate well into print, does it?)!
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As I understand there is no soft c in the gaelic lang, only hard c's when not by a consanant, ch are like s sometimes a shh sound.

But I might be wrong, any gaelic tongues out there to clarify??
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Posted: 07-Dec-2005, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (ceiligirl @ 07-Dec-2005, 02:41 PM)
As I understand there is no soft c in the gaelic lang, only hard c's when not by a consanant, ch are like s sometimes a shh sound.

But I might be wrong, any gaelic tongues out there to clarify??

This really shouldn't weigh into it since we are speaking english and not gaelic. In addition, the word did not originate from the gaelic.
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