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Posted by: CelticRose 07-Dec-2003, 09:05 PM
Hello everyone! MacFive did it! He set us up a place for genealogy!

I am CelticRose, but you all can call me either Rose or Rosemary. I go by both, and I am very excited to be here because this subject is very dear to my heart. I am looking forward to sharing our past with each other as well as ideas on how to trace your ancestry, etc., etc. Let's have fun and enjoy getting to know each other and our dear ancestors!

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 07-Dec-2003, 09:40 PM
Thanks Paul for starting this up. This will be a big help to everyone who is searching their family tree.

I would suggest to everyone, that if you are going to post your family tree on here, just post as far up to the generation that has passed away. Most people who are still living don't like to be included on these lists and especially don't wish to see their birthday listed. rolleyes.gif

If your new to researching your family tree, post a question and you can pretty much be sure someone will give you the right direction.

By all means, HAVE FUN WITH IT!!!!!! Sometimes while trying to key in on one bit of information, searching page after page and nothing comes up, it could be for a very simple reason. The information just simply may not exist anymore. Some records were destroyed and your only hope is that you come across some relative you never knew you had that can provide you the connection. That's the fun part.


Posted by: A Shrule Egan 07-Dec-2003, 09:50 PM
Here's a list of the four earliest generations that we have compiled of the Egan's of Brackloon, Shrule, Ireland.

Enjoy and if you think you might have some connection, ask and we'll try to figure it out.



Mike



Descendants of Thomas Egan

1 EGAN, Thomas b: 1793 d: March 9, 1867 in Shrule, Ireland
. +????, Mary b: 1790 d: June 1, 1862 in Shrule, Ireland
...... 2 EGAN, Patrick b: 1837 in Shrule, Ireland d: February 14, 1907 in Shrule, Ireland
......... +CARTY, Honora b: 1834 in Shrule, Ireland d: May 9, 1900 in Shrule, Ireland m: April 20, 1865 Father: Stephen Carty Mother: Margaret Davin m: April 20, 1865
.............. 3 EGAN, Michael Joseph b: in Shrule, Ireland d: 1937 in Toronto, Canada
.................. +GILTENAN, Louise b: in Ireland d: 1950 in Toronto, Canada Father: Patrick Giltenan Mother: Louise Crowley
...................... 4 EGAN, Rita b: 1913 d: 1967
.......................... +HUTCHISON
...................... 4 EGAN, Kathleen (Kay) b: 1914 d: August 4, 1989 in Guelph, Ontario, Canada
.......................... +KLOEPFER, Leo Francis Jerome b: 1907 d: March 15, 1986 in Guelph, Canada
...................... 4 EGAN, Monica b: 1918 d: 1993
.......................... +TREBLY, Ken b: in Canada m: in Canada m: in Canada
...................... 4 EGAN, Margaret b: 1923 d: 1984
.......................... +MCKAY, William (Bill) b: December 13, 1924 in Toronto, Canada d: July 10, 1995
.............. 3 EGAN, Margaret b: August 15, 1867 in Shrule, Ireland d: January 22, 1949 in Springfield, Mass
.................. +COSTELLO, Michael b: in Ireland Father: Costello
...................... 4 COSTELLO, Henry b: in Massachusettes
...................... 4 COSTELLO, James
.............. 3 EAGAN, John Francis (Egan) b: June 14, 1870 in Shrule, Ireland d: March 5, 1952 in Brooklyn, N.Y.
.................. +FLAHERTY, Delia b: in Brooklyn, N.Y. d: September 17, 1950 in Brooklyn, N.Y.
...................... 4 EAGAN, Stephen
...................... 4 EAGAN, Albert d: December 27, 1943
...................... 4 EAGAN, Mary
.......................... +HARTLEY, George
...................... *2nd Husband of EAGAN, Mary:
.......................... +MOSHER, Edward
...................... 4 EAGAN, John Francis Jr. b: 1904 d: January 17, 1933
.......................... +ALBAUM, Helen m: Abt. 1920 in New York m: Abt. 1920 in New York
.............. 3 EGAN, Bridget Delia b: March 10, 1872 in Shrule, Ireland
.................. +HIGGINS, John J. d: November 18, 1949 in Brooklyn, N.Y. Father: Higgins
...................... 4 HIGGINS, Frank
...................... 4 HIGGINS, Thomas
...................... 4 HIGGINS, John (Buster)
.......................... +LEA
...................... 4 HIGGINS, Helen b: September 27, 1902 d: February 1980
.......................... +ZELEDON
...................... 4 HIGGINS, Mae b: 1905
.......................... +HANRAHAN, Edwin D. d: May 3, 1951 in Brooklyn, N.Y.
...................... 4 HIGGINS, Margaret b: 1916 in Fort Lauderdale, Fl
.......................... +DAVIDSON
.............. 3 EGAN, Thomas b: in Shrule, Ireland
.............. 3 EGAN, Martin b: in Brackloon, Shrule, County Mayo, Ireland d: 1954 in Shrule, County Mayo, Ireland
.................. +GALAGHER, Delia d: Abt. 1935 in Shrule, County Mayo, Ireland
...................... 4 EGAN, Elizabeth b: in Ireland
.......................... +CONNAGHTON, Thomas b: in Ireland
...................... 4 EGAN, Nora b: in Ireland d: in United States
.......................... +VINDELL
...................... 4 EGAN, Patrick Joseph b: 1899 in Shrule, Ireland d: in United States
.......................... +ANNE b: in Ireland d: in United States
...................... 4 EGAN, James
.......................... +DUDDY, Nora
...................... 4 EGAN, Maria Catherine b: 1898 in Shrule, Ireland d: in Ireland
.......................... +GREEN, Peter
...................... 4 EGAN, John b: 1909 in Ireland d: 1992 in Ireland
.......................... +HUGHES, Mary
.............. 3 EGAN, James b: in Shrule, Ireland
...................... 4 EGAN, Mary Kate b: in Ireland
...................... 4 EGAN, John b: in Ireland
.............. 3 EGAN, Kate b: in Shrule, Ireland
.............. 3 EGAN, Mary b: in Shrule, Ireland
.................. +GREANEY
...................... 4 GREANEY, Peter
...................... 4 GREANEY, John
...................... 4 GREANEY, Delia d: 1968
.......................... +FOLEY
...................... 4 GREANEY, Nora
...................... 4 GREANEY, Mae
.......................... +BURKE, Andrew
...................... 4 GREANEY, Patrick
.............. 3 EGAN, Patrick b: March 28, 1875 in Shrule, Ireland d: August 9, 1952 in Shrule, Ireland
.................. +NELLIE b: in Ireland d: 1954 in Shrule, Ireland
...................... 4 EGAN, Nora b: 1916 in Ireland d: January 25, 1946 in Galeway, Ireland
.............. 3 EGAN, Stephen Francis b: March 1, 1883 in Brackloon, Co. Mayo Shrule, Ireland d: December 10, 1949 in Hudson County, Jersey City, NewJersey Laid to Rest at: Holy Trinity, Brooklyn, New York
.................. +WHITE, Mary Jane b: August 10, 1887 in Dunmuchram Ballyshannon Co. Donegal Erie, Ireland d: January 6, 1961 in Jersey City, N.J. m: in Brooklyn, New York Laid to Rest at: Holy Trinity, Brooklyn, New York Father: James White Mother: Mary Jane Gorman m: in Brooklyn, New York
...................... 4 EGAN, James Joseph b: November 26, 1909 in Brooklyn, New York d: October 1982 in Palm Springs, California
.......................... +WEISS, Dorothea Viola b: March 4, 1912 in Bronx, New York d: October 28, 1993 in Danbury, Fairfield, Connecticut m: June 5, 1932 in New York Father: Joseph Weiss Mother: Catherine (Katie) Caroline Faahrs m: June 5, 1932 in New York
...................... 4 EGAN, Mary b: February 11, 1911 in Brooklyn, Kings County, New York d: 1928 in Brooklyn, New York
...................... 4 EGAN, Stephen Francis Jr. b: June 28, 1915 in New York d: March 5, 1969 in Long Beach, California
.......................... +TYLER, Elaine b: January 2, 1924 d: July 6, 1942 in Seattle, Washington
...................... *2nd Wife of EGAN, Stephen Francis Jr.:
.......................... +CAMPBELL, Cathrine Mildred b: June 28, 1920 in Boston, Massachusetts d: November 23, 1983 in Anaheim, California m: Abt. 1943 in New York Father: Campbell m: Abt. 1943 in New York
...................... 4 EGAN, Kathleen Teresa b: June 9, 1923 in Brooklyn, New York
.......................... +JOHNSON, Kennith Charles b: June 18, 1927 in New Jersey m: December 3, 1949 in Brooklyn, New York m: December 3, 1949 in Brooklyn, New York
...................... 4 EGAN, Thomas Jerome b: August 21, 1924 in New York d: June 11, 1978 in New Jersey Laid to Rest at: Internment-Cedar Lawn Crematory, Paterson, New Jersey
.......................... +ALLEN, Iris Alice b: April 25, 1926 in London, England d: March 1, 2000 in New Jersey m: November 7, 1947 in Brooklyn, New York Father: George Allen Mother: Ethel Kate (Goff) Gough m: November 7, 1947 in Brooklyn, New York
...................... 4 EGAN, Robert Patrick b: September 23, 1926 in Brooklyn, New York d: February 3, 1992 in Bayshore, New York Laid to Rest at: Calverton National Cemetary, New York
.......................... +HUNERS, Muriel (Kit) b: July 4, 1927 in Brooklyn, New York d: February 18, 1999 in Sebring, Florida m: October 27, 1946 in Brooklyn, New York Laid to Rest at: Calverton National Cemetary, New York m: October 27, 1946 in Brooklyn, New York

Posted by: CelticRose 07-Dec-2003, 09:51 PM
Thanks so very much Shrule Egan! I couldn't have said it all better myself! I have a lot to learn about all this so looking forward to all the input. My mother is the only one living out of all her relatives, so that will be no problem! rolleyes.gif smile.gif

Thanks again Shrule! smile.gif

Posted by: Raven 08-Dec-2003, 08:23 AM
Thanks Paul

I'm very excited about this also and am willing to take a chance that some information does not exist any more. Like you said Shrule Egan, that's part of the fun of it.

I am at a few dead ends but I think I just might not have the right Ideas of where to look and will look forward to any advice that I can get.

Slainte

Mikel

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 08-Dec-2003, 03:07 PM
CelticRose,
Congratulations on your role as moderator of this forum!
With some persistence (and a bit of luck), you may able to find more information than you think is possible.
I started just looking for one or two Civil War ancestors, and now have an RTF file extracted from the Family Tree software that is 487 pages long. It is very much a work in progress, and I'm not sure I'll ever be able to finish editing it to the point where I'll feel comfortable publishing.
For all the Braveheart fans, I'll mention just one ancestor--Sir Andrew de Livingston. According to family tradition, Sir Andrew was the Sheriff of Lanark who disappeared about the time of the Wallace unpleasantness. The movie made the mistake of referring to him as Hesilrig, which was actually one of his estates. At an SCA feast Saturday night, I was talking to a lady who was descended from a Wallace lieutenant. A wee bit of irony in discovering quite by chance a descendant of one of the men who was likely involved in the killing of my ancestor.

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Dec-2003, 03:55 PM
Thanks Mailagnus! I am all excited cause I left a message on the rootweb.com concerning my family the Whitakers and one of my cousins I never met replied! She gave me some additional information and she needed information from me that I had!

I am going to buy the Family Tree software, probably after Christmas and try to do it right. So far I found that my great...grandfather served in the militia during the Revolutionary war and I have two great uncles who were in the Civil War. Would really like to research them out further.

Anyway, at least I am starting to hear from a distant relative already! That feels good. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 08-Dec-2003, 05:51 PM
QUOTE (CelticRose @ Dec 8 2003, 04:55 PM)
. . . I have two great uncles who were in the Civil War. Would really like to research them out further.

CelticRose,
I have a subscription to a Civil War database that has at least summaries of the compiled service records for many Civil War soldiers. I could see what I can find if you want to send me what information you have for your uncles.

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Dec-2003, 06:16 PM
QUOTE (Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas @ Dec 8 2003, 06:51 PM)
CelticRose,
I have a subscription to a Civil War database that has at least summaries of the compiled service records for many Civil War soldiers. I could see what I can find if you want to send me what information you have for your uncles.

Mailagnus that would be great!

The first one is my uncle -- James Sutton, son of Powell Sutton. He was in the confederate army.

The second is my great great grandfather (I thought it was an uncle) -- Silas Whitaker served as 1st Sergeant Company H, 1st regiment Georgia. Fought in the Battle of Atlanta unit called the "Gilmer Browns" named after the governer at that time.

Hope that helps. Many thanks! smile.gif

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 08-Dec-2003, 06:40 PM
I found four James Suttons in GA service. Maybe one is yours.
James E. Sutton

Residence White County GA; 24 years old.

Enlisted on 7/10/1862 as a Private.

On 7/10/1862 he mustered into "B" Co. GA 52nd Infantry
He was discharged for disability on 3/15/1863
(Estimated day of disch)


Other Information:
born in Georgia


(Died in White County, GA in 1926)

Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.:

- Roster of Confederate Soldiers of Georgia 1861-1865
© Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com

James Henderson Sutton

Residence Monroe County GA;
Enlisted on 10/1/1861 as a Corporal.

On 10/1/1861 he mustered into "D" Co. GA 31st Infantry
(date and method of discharge not given)


He was listed as:
* POW 5/12/1864 Spotsylvania Court House, VA
* Paroled 2/15/1865 Fort Delaware, DE
* Received 3/10/1865 Boulware & Cox's Wharves, VA (Or the 12th. For exchange)


Promotions:
* Chaplin (In 1864)
* A.C.S. (In 1864)
* 1st Sergt 2/6/1862


Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.:

- Roster of Confederate Soldiers of Georgia 1861-1865
© Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com


James M. Sutton

Residence Dade County GA;
Enlisted on 7/17/1861 as a Private.

On 7/17/1861 he mustered into "B" Co. GA 6th Infantry
(date and method of discharge not given)
(Roll for 04/30/64 shows him present. No further record.)


Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.:

- Roster of Confederate Soldiers of Georgia 1861-1865
© Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com



James O.L. Sutton

Residence Hall County GA;
Enlisted on 3/10/1862 as a Private.

On 3/10/1862 he mustered into "K" Co. GA 43rd Infantry
(date and method of discharge not given)


He was listed as:
* POW 12/16/1864 Nashville, TN
* Released 6/20/1865 Camp Douglas, Chicago, IL


Sources used by Historical Data Systems, Inc.:

- Roster of Confederate Soldiers of Georgia 1861-1865
© Historical Data Systems, Inc. @ www.civilwardata.com



There are a total of 16 other James Suttons in CSA service--mostly from VA and NC.

I couldn't find a service record for Sgt Whitaker (the database doesn't have rosters for his unit), but I did find a refernence about a book on the "Gilmer Browns" at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0865542627/qid=1070929852//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl14/103-7863764-0656603?v=glance&s=books&n=507846.

There is also a re-enactor group at
http://members.carol.net/~rickysahn/GSL/gslmain.htm
that you may be able to contact for more information.

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 08-Dec-2003, 07:04 PM
I type my reply in the hijacked avatar thread here rather than there wink.gif

Egan, my Gran is the expert on genealogy. I'm interested in it, but a family like mine is not the easiest thing to survey. I'm much rather interested in stories behind individuals, rather than names and birthplaces.

I started collecting those stories and I hope my child will be interested in it as well, because I have to share stories of people which survived History.

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Dec-2003, 08:30 PM
Mailagnus! I know that James Sutton was killed during the battle and so it may be the James M. Sutton. Gives me a start. When I looked at my records, his middle name was not present.

My grandfather Whitaker on the other hand, is mentioned on the re-enacters site as 1st Sergeant. And I am going to order the book mentioned on Amazon.com. Thank you so very much. I have a lot more information than I did because of you. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Dec-2003, 08:32 PM
QUOTE (Aon_Daonna @ Dec 8 2003, 08:04 PM)
Egan, my Gran is the expert on genealogy. I'm interested in it, but a family like mine is not the easiest thing to survey. I'm much rather interested in stories behind individuals, rather than names and birthplaces.

I started collecting those stories and I hope my child will be interested in it as well, because I have to share stories of people which survived History.

Ooh me too Aon! I am starting out with the names and places and then hopefully will get to the stories behind these characters. I have some already that have been rather interesting. wink.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 08-Dec-2003, 08:48 PM
Aon, that's part of the fun of gathering your family tree, the stories that have been passed down about your relatives. When I located my Irish relatives, we sat for hours telling stories of all sorts. We had so much fun that day. I made sure I included all of those stories in the scrapbook of that person on the family tree.

Now, I guess I'm one day early in posting my family tree on this page. When I opened my e-mail today. Another relative tracked me down through rootweb.com. Now, I have about another 30-40 people to add to the family tree. Talk about having a big smile on my face. Still can't wipe it off. biggrin.gif

This is what I mean by keep plugging away. You just never know when someone will make contact with you that makes it all worth while.

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Dec-2003, 09:14 PM
Shrule! I can imagine your excitement cause the same thing happened to me today too! A relative contacted me today through Rootsweb.com. I was smiling big too! How far did you say you have gone back in your ancestry?

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 08-Dec-2003, 09:26 PM
We go back to 1793 and 9 generations. I only know when my g-g-grandparents were born because of the tombstone that is in St. Joseph's cemetary in Shrule. I still don't know what Mary Egan's maiden name was. No records in Shrule that we know of that mention her.

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Dec-2003, 10:01 PM
And all your ancestors are from Ireland then? Don't you hate it when you hit a road block? Have you been to Ireland to see this tombstone? Met any of your relatives back there?

Posted by: Aon_Daonna 09-Dec-2003, 02:29 PM
mmh.. most you get are dates when you get really far back, but my mom always invented stories for us then *laughs*

No, but I'm quite proud of the fact that I met living History and witnessed it myself, which is what I want to pass on.

Posted by: Cailiosa 09-Dec-2003, 06:56 PM
So I was looking up an ancestor on Rootsweb today and I came across something quite interesting. Someone had the genealogy of my g-g-grandfather worked out part of the way and at the bottom of his individual record this is what I found:

Sex: M
Birth: 23 Nov 1874 in Huntingburg, Dubois, IN
Death: 3 Feb 1938
LDS Baptism: 20 Jul 1962
Endowment: 28 Jul 1962
Sealing Child: 10 Jul 1963 Temple: LANGE 1

Now the guy had been dead for nearly thirty years, so what is all this baptism stuff? Could someone that knows anything about LDS practices enlighten me?

Jennie

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 09-Dec-2003, 07:20 PM
Cailiosa, LDS refers to Latter Day Saints, which have the largest archives of any genealogy pool. But I have no idea what the dates and the other references are about. Never ran into that before.
Try e-mailing the person that posted and see what answer you get back.

Posted by: CelticRose 09-Dec-2003, 08:21 PM
Cailiosa, living in a state where we have a large LDS (Mormon) population, ceremonial baptisms are held for the dead one by the Mormon church so they can reach one of the three heavens, eventually making it to the ultimate heaven. Hope that makes sense.

Posted by: maggiemahone1 09-Dec-2003, 08:27 PM
I ran into the same thing, Cailiosa! I know that genealogy is a big thing with members of the Latter Day Saints. I have heard that you have to do a family search before you can be a member. I don't know if this is true or not. I'm gonna do some research into this and maybe find out some answers. I have family that is into the Mormon church, LDS. They live in another state though and I don't talk or see them very often. Ever so often, the church sends members out and go door to door to talk about The Book of Mormon. Maybe someone here on the board can enlighten us on the matter. biggrin.gif

maggiemahone1

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 09-Dec-2003, 09:07 PM
The sealling of ancestors is a LDS practice which has both benefits and cautions for genealogists. The benefit is that anyone who has a cousin, however distant, who is a Mormon will likely find a good deal of research already done for them.
See, for example:
QUOTE
Additionally, it is the goal of the Mormon Church to have all members of the human race be sealed to their lineal ancestors in a direct course leading back to Adam and Eve. So, it is incumbent upon members to search out the names of their dead, to have proxy baptisms, endowments, and marriage sealings performed for them, and then to have each generation sealed to the previous one.

The Mormon is required to amass as much genealogical material as possible concerning his ancestors and to assure that the various proxy rituals are done for them. Only in this way can he have any hope of attaining the fullness of salvation as a god himself.


http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/insidtem.htm
Unfortunately, in their eagerness to seal themselves to as many ancestors as possible, they sometimes get a little sloppy in their research, so at least some genealogists refuse to rely on LDS data. My own view is trust, but verify. That is, use the Mormon data as a starting point, but don't rely on it until you have verified the data somewhere else.
One reason that I have been able to find so much information on my Wolsey line is that four of my Wolsey cousins married John Doyle Lee, Brigham Young's somewhat infamous right hand man, who was responsible for the massacre of a wagon train of pioneers. See, for example,
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/i_r/lee.htm.

Posted by: CelticRose 09-Dec-2003, 09:19 PM
A lot of interesting and valuable information there, Mailagnus. Glad you were better to explain it than me. You also had a very interesting relative. Too bad about his ending of his life though. How sad.

I have found some information on the LDS site to not be very accurate, but it got me some information to work with that I didn't have before. smile.gif

Posted by: Cailiosa 10-Dec-2003, 10:16 AM
Thank you all so much for the helpful information! Certainly clears up a lot of questions I had and explains why the Mormons have so much genealogical data put together, though I certainly will check it out before I take it as truth. Thanks again! tongue.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 10-Dec-2003, 03:23 PM
Yeah, Cailiosa the thing I didn't know that in order to become a Mormon they had to do their genealogy. Explains a lot why they have such records!

Have far back have you gotten?

Posted by: AhilissaMay 10-Dec-2003, 05:37 PM
I have been trying to do my dad's side of the family but I can't seen to get past my great grandfather, why you may ask?
Well my grandfather did not know much, I know that my great grandfathers name and that he was married to my great grandmother but she was married before she married my great grandfather, and my grandfather didn't know what her madien name was. (I know hard to follow isn't it)

My great grandfathers name is
William Charles Lunsford

My grandfathers name is
Paul Glenwood Lunsford



Ahil

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 10-Dec-2003, 05:51 PM
Go on a few of the genealogy pages and go to the message boards. Post all the information that you know, names, birthdays, town they were born and lived etc. and put it in a descending order to make it easier for others to follow. If you make it to confusing, people won't bother reading it.
Also, while on those pages, search all the names that you are associated with. There could be other people out there who are looking for you. Some of the pages have a notification button for the names that you wish to keep track of. If someone posts new info under a name you have on your list, you will be notified so you can check it out.

Posted by: CelticRose 10-Dec-2003, 06:07 PM
Shrule! You've seemed to have gotten a lot of information also from your ancestry. Which genealogy sites do you use, if I may ask. smile.gif

I am stuck too right now. I did hear from one distant family member, but I need more information. sad.gif

Posted by: maggiemahone1 10-Dec-2003, 07:54 PM
QUOTE (CelticRose @ Dec 10 2003, 02:21 AM)
Cailiosa, living in a state where we have a large LDS (Mormon) population, ceremonial baptisms are held for the dead one by the Mormon church so they can reach one of the three heavens, eventually making it to the ultimate heaven. Hope that makes sense.

So I can do whatever in this life and have a relative from the Mormon church pray that I go to heaven after I die. Is that what it amounts to? Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

maggiemahone1

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 10-Dec-2003, 08:40 PM
QUOTE (maggiemahone1 @ Dec 10 2003, 08:54 PM)
So I can do whatever in this life and have a relative from the Mormon church pray that I go to heaven after I die. Is that what it amounts to? Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

You have it right. I've been rather amazed at some of the folks I've seem in the Mormon records who have been "sealed." to their descendants.

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 10-Dec-2003, 08:44 PM
CelticRose, I have had the most success on Ancestry.com (rootsweb.com is the same thing, just labeled different) but I use http://www.cousinconnect.com/ and http://clanegan.org/ (just because I'm an Egan), plus Shrule.com because that is where my relatives are from. I try to cover every possibility available. I have received information through every one of these pages, simply because I posted on the pages and let everyone know what I was looking for.
I understand the frustration of not finding anything but someday, someone will contact you that has some kind of connection or little tidbit of info that you are looking for.
I have read various postings and said to myself, that sounds familiar and sure enough, two people are looking for the same thing and I have put them in touch with each other. They just never took the time to read each others postings. So, do yourself a favor, read EVERYTHING, it just may have what your looking for.
Go on your search and type the name of the person you are looking for, in quotes, such as "CelticRose". Then go through the list. You should be able to pick out rather easy, wheather it has to do with a genealogy listing, a public record, a passenger list or a high school student personal page. It's time consuming but it works. I use my imagination and try everything that I can think of that may get me info.
Since you have seen my family tree, it proves persistence pays off. It has taken about 5 years to get to were we are now. And we will keep looking for more. I still have to many holes to fill.

Posted by: CelticRose 10-Dec-2003, 09:08 PM
QUOTE (maggiemahone1 @ Dec 10 2003, 08:54 PM)
So I can do whatever in this life and have a relative from the Mormon church pray that I go to heaven after I die. Is that what it amounts to? Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

maggiemahone1

Maggie, I hope this article will help explain it to you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/customs/baptismdead.shtmle

I wish I knew how to post a site or article on something without having to type out the whole URL so they can just click directly on that. Can anybody tell me how to do this? Thanks! smile.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 10-Dec-2003, 09:22 PM
Well boo hoo! That URL didn't work when I clicked on it and tried to bring it up. Then when I typed in http://www.bbc.co.uk you would have to do a search for Mormon proxy baptism. but I liked it cause it was short and to the point. Sorry, I will keep looking for you Maggie. Although Mailagnus answered your question already, I just thought you might to look at something in writing as well. smile.gif

Shrule! I am doing most of my search on ancestry and rootsweb too. I added the cousinnet.com you gave me. I will try that too. I will do what you suggest and post messages on the message board. I have done that once and that was how I got a hold of one distant cousin. I also need to get the Family tree software but am hoping I get that for Christmas. wink.gif I want to have it all outlined like you have yours. Thanks for the tips! smile.gif


Posted by: CelticRose 10-Dec-2003, 09:35 PM
Maggie I am going to try this again and see if it works. unsure.gif

[URL=http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/customs/baptismdead.shtml]Mormon proxy baptism[URL]

Posted by: CelticRose 10-Dec-2003, 09:37 PM
I give up. I know there is a way but I can't figure out how to do it! sad.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 10-Dec-2003, 10:15 PM
Right click on the URL, then click on copy in the window that opens up. Take your cursor to the point were you want the URL to be copied to, left click to get your position and then right click and then click on paste in the window that opens. That should work for you.

Posted by: CelticRose 11-Dec-2003, 05:39 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/mormon/customs/baptismdead.shtml

Okay, I tried this again! Hope it works. Thanks Egan! I am computer dummy here!

I also checked out the cousinnet site last night. Very cool! Thanks! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: maggiemahone1 11-Dec-2003, 06:35 PM
Oh MY gosh! Thanks Mailagnus, CelticRose and Shrule. Now I understand why the LDS church has the largest genealogy records.

When you start searching your family roots you may find things hidden in the closet! unsure.gif When my husband was doing his Mother's side of the family tree, he was asking her questions and she informed him, "it's not any of your business." That didn't stop him, later we found out why she was so opposed to him searching for any family info. My hubby found out he had an aunt he didn't know about. biggrin.gif

Happy hunting!

maggiemahone1

Posted by: CelticRose 11-Dec-2003, 07:25 PM
Yeah, I am already finding conflicting stories in my family history. One source says that My great.....grandfather converted Pocahontas to Christianity and baptized her and married her to John Smith or JOhn Rolfe. Another source says that's not true at all! unsure.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: JaneyMae 12-Dec-2003, 08:47 AM
QUOTE (maggiemahone1 @ Dec 11 2003, 06:35 PM)
Oh MY gosh!  Thanks Mailagnus, CelticRose and Shrule.  Now I understand why the LDS church has the largest genealogy records. 

Happy hunting!

maggiemahone1

The LDS church has been know to purchase names of the deceased from other faiths. They also offer to put their birth etc. record on film and get names that way. They then baptize kids for the dead adding all names to the list. One year after a family member dies who has been baptized, they to the baptisim for the dead thing and then all their family can be together on their planet for eternity, but only if they want. I come from a large mormon family. I'm the black sheep biggrin.gif

It does give them a great base for their geneology work. tongue.gif

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 12-Dec-2003, 12:22 PM
My hat is off to Macfive for getting this Genealogy Forum up and running. We really needed this resourse.
Rosemary, thank you for being the moderator---I know you'll do a great job! angel_not.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 12-Dec-2003, 12:24 PM
Thanks JaneyMae! It is good to hear from a Mormon, even though a "black sheep" as you say, who can tell us firsthand of the practice. wink.gif smile.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 12-Dec-2003, 12:26 PM
QUOTE (Roisin-Teagan @ Dec 12 2003, 01:22 PM)
My hat is off to Macfive for getting this Genealogy Forum up and running. We really needed this resourse.
Rosemary, thank you for being the moderator---I know you'll do a great job! angel_not.gif

Thanks Roisin. I appreciate Paul starting this forum too. However, me being the moderator? I am the dumb one here, but learning a lot from everybody who has participated. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 21-Dec-2003, 01:43 AM
Hey! Just had to share! I was checking out the www.gencircles.com site and I was actually able to get some more information! I got as far back as 1675 where both my 8th grandfather was born in Yorkshire, England and my grandmother he married was born then too but in Ballyhaken, Ireland! So I have a wee bit of Irish blood too! Cool thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 21-Dec-2003, 06:55 AM
Well done!

Posted by: maggiemahone1 21-Dec-2003, 08:33 AM
QUOTE (CelticRose @ Dec 21 2003, 07:43 AM)
Hey! Just had to share! I was checking out the www.gencircles.com site and I was actually able to get some more information! I got as far back as 1675 where both my 8th grandfather was born in Yorkshire, England and my grandmother he married was born then too but in Ballyhaken, Ireland! So I have a wee bit of Irish blood too! Cool thumbsup.gif

Maybe were Celtic Cousins! biggrin.gif

maggiemahone1

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 22-Dec-2003, 05:45 AM
QUOTE (maggiemahone1 @ Dec 21 2003, 09:33 AM)
Maybe were Celtic Cousins! biggrin.gif

maggiemahone1

With enough research, we're likely all cousins, however distant. We just don't know the precise connections. It seems to me that one of the benefits of researching your own ancestry is discovering just how connected you are to others.

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 22-Dec-2003, 10:07 AM
Rosemary, good job finding that GenCircle web page. I downloaded our family tree last night and gave the system a few hours to compare the info. It matched me up with 3 other people. I'm not related to any of them directly but we are connected. I found a great deal of info that I was missing from the 3 connections.
When more people find out about that page and get their info on there, I suspect there will be a lot of family reunions. Saves a lot of time and was really simple to download the Family tree Maker info that I had.


For anyone doing a family tree and using any of the software programs, by all means go to the page and get your info on there. As you update your info, you are given the option to update on GenCircle to. That's a nice luxury, compared to other genealogy pages that only allow you to post again. That can get very confusing for someone comparing info.


once again, Rosemary, good job thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 22-Dec-2003, 03:36 PM
Shrule! Thanks for your support. I found most of my research on Rootsweb and that was how I got in contact with a distant cousin who had more information. Then I found gencircles and found even more info! I was so excited that I sent it to her last night and she wrote me back t his morning! She said that there was a book written by one of our cousins, Bruce Whitaker, who is a historian! He wrote a whole book about our Whitaker family! She said she would try to contact him and see if he has anymore books so I can get one. She also sent me pages of exerpts from the book with pictures of our grandfathers!

Now a question I have to ask you all. I just bought the software, Family Tree Legacy 4.0. That was all I could find. I haven't used it yet, but is this the software you all use or should I have gotten another version? Also, I am not sure how to upload all this info on gencircles but will try to figure it out. I am so excited!

Now if I could find out the info on my grandfather Sutton side, that would be a charm too! Thanks again!

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 22-Dec-2003, 04:16 PM
Rosemary, I'm running Family Tree Maker 8.0 version. On the FTM page, they are selling the 11.0 version. FTM is made by Mattel, the toy company.
It looks like you have a different company. The one you have has already been upgraded to a 5.0 version. go to http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/ for the details. Not familiar with that one but most of them have agreed to follow the GEDCOM standards and your version is compatible.


Hope that helps, Mike

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 22-Dec-2003, 04:27 PM
When you are finally ready to download your tree to GenCircle, it will ask what program you are running, just go to the section that shows the directions for your program, I printed them out, it was easier to follow that way. It was really simple. You need to give it a few hours before your information can be viewed. It organizes everything and matches you up with other information that others have sent in.

Posted by: CelticRose 22-Dec-2003, 08:24 PM
Hi Mike! Thank you so much for the time you took to help me out. Hmmmm.....I am thinking that maybe I ought to just go ahead and upgrade to 5.0 before I even get started or do you think it would matter that much. It looked pretty good, although 4.0 was voted PC Magazine's choice of the year. But the 4.0 was made in 2002 and the 5.3 is probably better. Should have asked you guys first before I went out and bought. I had heard of Family Tree and I was thinking this Legacy was the same thing as what everybody else's Family Tree software was. That's what I get for thinking, huh? biggrin.gif

Thanks again.

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 23-Dec-2003, 02:07 PM
I can't see it being a problem running the version that you bought. It meets the standards and that's what really counts.
I don't think I would waste any more time on having second thoughts about it. Rip open the box and fire it up. Have fun!!

Posted by: CelticRose 23-Dec-2003, 02:14 PM
Thanks again, Mike! I will do just that. How is your searching going?

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 23-Dec-2003, 02:30 PM
Still waiting for a reply from 2 people. They aren't related but we are connected. Other than that, I haven't come across anyone or anything new in the last few days, but that's what it's all about. I have to many feelers out there, that I know I will get responses somewhat frequent. So, I really don't get concerned about it. It's also the holidays, so this time of year is usually slow. People don't have that much time to be on their computers.



Don't worry, the treasures will come!!!!!!!

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 27-Dec-2003, 02:17 PM
One suggestion I would strongly recommend for those running a family tree program, is to make sure you save your whole file. You never know when your computer might crash and you can lose everything. If your computer has the capability of recording cd's, make sure you use the cd-rw type. This way, as you add new information to your tree, you can erase the disc and reburn your updated file.
If you have a floppy drive, most likely, you can't save your file that way. It just won't hold enough information. My current file was over 41 MB and a floppy only holds 1.44 MB. You may have to look into one of the zip drives on the market, if you don't have one already.
Wouldn't hurt either if you occasionally printed out a copy, just in case the cd is corrupt.

You worked to hard to get were you are, SAVE YOUR FILES!!

Posted by: CelticRose 27-Dec-2003, 02:28 PM
Oh thanks Mike! I never thought about saving the info on a CD-RW disk. I just loaded a bunch of information last night on my program. Tried to upload it both on Gencircles and Rootsweb. Hope it worked. I need to go check. Funny thing is is that I was reading the message board and several of us connected to my 7th great-grandfather are all looking for info on him too! We're all stuck right there with him. He got lost in the woodpile somehow. biggrin.gif

Posted by: katydid15 27-Dec-2003, 11:48 PM
Hi! I've been reading the genealogy forum. I just joined and it was (naturally) the first forum I chose.

I found cousins (or rather they found me) on rootsweb, too, and filled in lots of information I didn't have. I now have info on my dad's family, Brannon, back to 1723 Ireland. His mother descended from the MacArthurs but I don't have documentation on her side of the family yet. My other two grandparents were also Irish ~ Shell and Carden.

Now I've found you, I'll be back. wink.gif

Kathy

Posted by: CelticRose 28-Dec-2003, 12:15 AM
Welcome Katy! So good to have you join us!

One of my great-grandmothers is an McArthur. Havent' been able to find much info on her, but in time I hope to. Been just working on two other names right now, Whitakers and Suttons. I'll eventually get to the wifes and husbands and hope to find whereabouts my McArthur is from, Ireland or Scotland. So far I have been told it could be either. See ya later! wink.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 28-Dec-2003, 06:46 PM
Here's another page for those with Irish roots.

http://www.freesurnamesearch.com/search/ireland/index.html

Posted by: CelticRose 28-Dec-2003, 08:19 PM
Thanks Mike! I put that on my favorites list too! I have a couple of Irish names I need to look up! You and Mailagnus are such a Godsend to me! Thank you for everything! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 29-Dec-2003, 03:07 AM
Okay, I am feeling a bit dillusional right now cause I am really excited! I found a cousin who researched us back to 1528 England! One of my many great-grandfathers fought in the Jacobite rebellion of 1715 against Scotland! oops.gif I was always for Scotland, myself. Seems like my ancestors were not. Anyway, he was killed in the Isle of Man during the rebellion. sad.gif

Posted by: Catriona 29-Dec-2003, 04:48 PM
CelticRose
Just to point out that the Jacobite Rebellion was not Scots against English.... It was Jacobites against BRITISH forces.... ie as many, if not more, Scots fought as PART of the British army vs the Jacobites...

And I talk as someone who had a number of relatives fight at Culloden on the Jacobite side wink.gif

I think you need to read British history before making statements like that.... after all, - the Union of the Crowns took place BEFORE the rebellions!

Posted by: CelticRose 29-Dec-2003, 06:06 PM
cry.gif Catriona! I was hoping you wouldn't see the above post. I discovered the family info at 2 am and was really excited that I had gotten that far into my family research that I posted before I should have. However, it was just a little while ago that I actually did some research on the topic and oops.gif discovered what I had said last night was all wrong about the historical facts! I was so utterly embarrased and then came in here to see you saw my mistake! I was indeed mortified! I apologize profusely for having made any historical statements as I really don't know what I am talking about. I am trying to study British history but I have much to learn ......obviously. I am sorry if I offended you and anyone else by this huge mistake. sad.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 29-Dec-2003, 09:17 PM
Here's a few more pages to look into your Irish roots.

http://www.cyberpursuits.com/gen/uk-ireland.asp

http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/index.html

On this last URL, find some time to read about the Draft Riots in New York City in the 1860's. Really opens your eyes to how tough it was for the Irish in those days.

Posted by: Catriona 30-Dec-2003, 04:44 AM
CelticRose
British history (yes, the history of the whole of the islands,not just Scotland!) are a quagmire for the natives, never mind foreigners! BUT, you have to be aware that some of the posters on here are from staunchly pro-Government (as we prefer to call them) ancestral roots - ie perhaps Campbells, who were a highland clan which fought on the side of the Government. It is therefore something to be cautious about when making statements re 'Scots vs English' etc biggrin.gif wink.gif

You don't have to apologise to me (profusely or otherwise) - I just can't bear to see history distorted.... cool.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 30-Dec-2003, 02:12 PM
Catriona! I appreciate so much you educating me. That's what I like about message boards is that you learn so much from everybody! Since I daydreamed too much when I was in school, I am paying for it now and trying to re-learn American history as well as study some British history too! While British history is so fascinating, it is very complex too.....at least to me. There are a lot of things I just don't understand and trying to put it all together. Wish I was in your classes, but then I would probably monopolize the class with all my questions! biggrin.gif

Many thanks again! smile.gif


Mike, thanks for those websites. I learned something just last night about one my great-grandmothers. She was born in Balleyhaken, Kings County, Ireland and came over to America on a ship with her parents. Her father got sick and died on the way and he was buried at sea. Sad, eh? sad.gif

So far I have been able to get back as far as 1508 England on one side of the family and that is only because one of our family members was a historian and wrote a book about our family! I found all this out by being in contact with cousins on rootsweb.com and gencircles.com who shared all this info with me! I have been so excited!


Posted by: CelticRose 01-Jan-2004, 04:25 PM
Well, I had a very delightful surprise today that I just had to share. I told you all that I had discovered there is a historian in my Whitaker family and he had written a book about our ancestors. Well, after much research I was able to get a hold of him in Asheville, NC and he still has some books available! He gave me his address to order them for me and one of my sisters! I am so excited! He also told me that since I live in Arizona that I should know that I have many cousins around me up in Utah who are Mormons! Wow! so I need to try to get a hold of them now! My other cousins who have this book told me it is wonderful and has pictures of our ancestors! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 01-Jan-2004, 10:14 PM
And just a few weeks ago, you were worried that you were going to have a hard time finding enough information on your family. Sounds to me, that you have been pretty consistent and successful in your search. Could be rainy and gloomy at your house and you should still be wearing a smile!!

My file is now up to 683 names of relatives going back to 1793. And I still have many holes to fill. sad.gif

It is amazing the general history of the world that you come across just trying to research your family. They sure didn't discuss some of these things in my history classes in school. Maybe if they had taught some of the things that I have read in the last few weeks, history class might have been interesting.

Posted by: CelticRose 01-Jan-2004, 10:23 PM
Very very true, Mike! Now I am trying to research my grandmothers who married the Whitakers and I am not getting very far on them. sad.gif I just happened to be lucky in what I have found so far because I have a historian in the family Otherwise, I may not have gotten as far as I have. But I will keep it up as I am sure you will too.

Please share what you find, okay? I don't want to be the only one excited or downcast on this forum! wink.gif smile.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 04-Jan-2004, 09:40 AM
I had the pleasure of making someone very happy last night. Not sure how this woman tracked me down but she was looking for information about one of the families associated with us.

I had information on about 50 names for the family she was researching, going back to the late 1800's. I think, if I was standing in the same room, all the X's and O's on her e-mail would have been planted on me.

Just goes to show you, fun can be had from all directions. smile.gif thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 04-Jan-2004, 07:18 PM
This ia some very important information I came across that explains why so little records exist in Ireland. This can save you a lot of time trying to search for information that doesn't exist anymore.


The first properly organised census in Ireland commenced in 1821, and, thereafter, with some exceptions, a census was taken every ten years. Unfortunately, most of the 1841-1891 returns were pulped into waste paper during the First World War or were destroyed later during the Irish Civil War. However, returns for a small number of parishes have survived.

PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE of NORTHERN IRELAND (PRONI)


1821
This census was organised by townland, civil parish, barony and county and took place on 28 May 1821. Almost all the original returns were destroyed in 1922, with only a few volumes surviving for Co. Fermanagh PRONI Reference Number MIC 5A and MIC 15A.



1831
Once again this census was organised by townland, civil parish, barony and county. It also includes the name, age, occupation and religion of the occupants. Very little of this census survives, with most of the remaining fragments relating to Co. Londonderry;
MIC 5A/6 Barony of Coleraine;
MIC 5A/6 and 7 City of Londonderry;
MIC 5A/8 Barony of Loughlinsholin;
MIC 5A/9 Barony of Tirkeeran.



1841
The government census, taken on 6 June 1841, followed the same general pattern as that of 1831, however, the returns were compiled by the householders themselves rather than government enumerators. Unfortunately, no part of the census for Northern Ireland has survived. However, the 1841 census was the earliest to be of use when the Old Age Pensions were introduced in the early twentieth century, and copies of the household returns from 1851 were sometimes used as proof of age. The forms detailing the results of the searches have survived and are available PRONI Reference Number T.550. There are also some individual returns in MIC 15A.

1851
Taken on 30 March 1851, this government census added a column for religious affiliation. Most of the surviving returns relate to Co. Antrim. The comments above on transcripts of the 1841 census also apply to 1851. PRONI Reference Number MIC 5A/11-26. There are also individual census returns for various parts of the Province in MIC 15A.

1861, 1871, 1881 and 1891
The census records for 1861 to 1891 were destroyed by order of the government during the First World War. Nothing survives for the Northern Ireland area and so alternative sources, Census Substitutes. must be used for information about the population.


Posted by: CelticRose 04-Jan-2004, 08:37 PM
Hi Mike! Nice research you have there. So far I can confirm one great grandmother who was born in Ireland born in 1701 and then emigrated to America when she was a young girl. Am anxious to get my historian cousin's book sent to me to find out more. However from what you have written, I might find some information on her yet...maybe.

Right now I am stuck on a Rebecca Jane Allison who was an indentured servant for the Underwood family in North Carolina. She has married my 3rd great-grandfather, Silas Whitaker. I can't find anything on her except that she was born in North Carolina, but want to take it further back then that. I talked with one of my cousins last night who is a member of both genealogy.com and ancestry.com, so I might just have to put the money out and join at least one of them if I want to take any of this further.

And that is pretty exciting you were able to help one of your relatives last night. That happened to me too with one of my distant cousins recently too.

Posted by: lighthouse 08-Jan-2004, 08:44 PM
[SIZE=1][COLOR=BlueViolet]Rose,
I to am intrested in this topic. I wish to learn more but have to find a starting place. beer_mug.gif just looking up names and tracing it down I have Murry, Murphy, and MacDonald all. Where do you start to do a search. Any help will be great! Darlene

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 08-Jan-2004, 09:11 PM
Darlene, check out all the genealogy postings, there are 6 different topics, right now. All of them will give you some ideas on how to start, where to look and keep checking back here, we all add new information all the time.

Keep good and organized records. Document everything that pertains to your family. After a while, all the bits and pieces start coming together and make sense.

If you get stuck or are confused about doing something, just ask. We have enough people on here that can steer you in the right direction.

Let us know about your triumphs. That's one of the best parts about our discussions.

We can't stress this enough to everyone:

DON'T GET DISCOURAGED AND HAVE FUN!!

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 11-Jan-2004, 09:23 AM
Here's a site that contains many town web pages for the British Isles. If you know the town your relatives are from, maybe, there is a site and they have a genealogy section. Or you can always plan a vacation by checking through the towns and see what's interesting.

http://www.orion-arts.com/villages/

Posted by: CelticRose 11-Jan-2004, 07:27 PM
Thanks Mike for the information! You are a gem!

Right now I am discouraged cause I keep searching for this one 3rd great-grandmother of mine. She is an Allison but was an indentured servant for the Underwood family. I joined Genealogy.com hoping to find some information but no luck. I have sent out messages to the different boards. Maybe I should be looking under Underwood instead. I read somewhere where the servant a lot of times takes on the surname of family they work for. I have found that Allison is a Scottish surname,but have also found listings of that surname in Ireland as well. Gee, just three generations. Didn't think it would be that difficult!....lol

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 11-Jan-2004, 07:53 PM
I have heard that also. It's certainly worth a try to check that name. Could be your only lead.


Haven't come up with anything new. I just keep checking all sorts of pages. If I find something of interest for everyone else, I post it on here. I might just as well make myself useful that way.

Posted by: CelticRose 11-Jan-2004, 08:27 PM
Very glad that you are, Mike! I appreciate all your input and I am making copious notes with it all. You have certainly helped me a lot and I am sure many others who may not post, but they're reading it and probably taking notes too! Thanks again!

Posted by: gzola 27-Sep-2004, 10:26 PM
Celticrose I know the excitement in finding new link in the ancestor search. The search can be exhausting, especially if you've a family like mine that doesn't show up anywhere, but when you find someone, wow, it's nice. Good luck.

Lucinda note.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 28-Sep-2004, 01:41 PM
Thanks Lucinda! And welcome to CelticRadio, btw! smile.gif Nice to have you here!

I am learning lots from all of you. The more I learn about surnames, I realize that just because they are of Scottish in origin, does not mean my ancestors came from there. So that is hard and makes the search harder. I always thought I had Scottish ancestry as well, but learning that my ancestors might have been more English and Irish than I always thought. unsure.gif

Rory here seems to have a wealth of knowledge about the Scots whom I am learning a lot from. Thanks Rory! wink.gif smile.gif

A Shrule Egan has incredible knowledge about the Irish! thanks Mike! wink.gif smile.gif

Posted by: A Shrule Egan 28-Sep-2004, 04:42 PM
QUOTE (CelticRose @ 28-Sep-2004, 03:41 PM)
A Shrule Egan has incredible knowledge about the Irish! thanks Mike! wink.gif smile.gif

Rose, are you trying to butter me up. If so, just send the bottle of Mondavi my way and we'll call it even. biggrin.gif angel_not.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 28-Sep-2004, 06:24 PM
Mike! I am not trying to butter you up! I have no need to as you have already provided more than enough help for us all here! Thank you so much and I owe you a bottle of Mondavi for sure! How much does that stuff cost anyway? wink.gif laugh.gif

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