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Posted: 12-Nov-2006, 10:09 PM
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No one knows the hour or the day. But looking at the signs of the times I think we are getting close. I hope I'll never live to see the day of rapture. I know of way too many who refuse the aknowledge Christ. I'd also like to see my daughter have the privilidge of living life as well as my secound child that on the way. But it's not my will but God's will. I don't know. It's just a thought. I do know a few other things have to happen before the end and the new beginning. wink.gif


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Posted: 13-Nov-2006, 12:30 AM
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I'm beginning to think we are getting there also. The RC Catechism lists a couple signs that Catholics are looking for. The reconition by all Isreal, a persecution by an antichrist. Then there are other apparition statements and prophecies like the great sign, the three days of darkness, among others. Most of the apparitions of Jesus and Mary throughtout the last two centuries seem to be pointing to something happening soon but we are allowed to take apparitions with a grain of salt. The are not required for membership or faith or as a surefire way to heaven.


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Posted: 13-Nov-2006, 08:28 AM
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Since becoming a Christian over 30 years ago I have from the beginning believed that we are in the Last Days.

Events of the last ten years or so have only further convinced me that Christ's Return may well be in my own lifetime - I hope so!
What events?

Increase in wars about the globe
Increase in natural disasters on a huge scale
Increase in the influence of and interest in false religions and the occult
Decrease in church attendance and solid Biblical belief.
Demise of family values and ethics
Wide acceptance of sexual deviance

I could go on, but I've kept to those things which the Bible says will happen. (Matthew 24, 1 Peter, 2 Peter)

Many people I speak with see that the end of life as we know it may be imminent, even those who have no Christian belief. One does not have to be a prophet to see the world is groaning and sick.
Only the born again Christian has hope for the future that is based on truth.

but hey, in spite of all this, the world is still a place of great beauty, at least where I live.


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Posted: 13-Nov-2006, 09:49 AM
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I know that most of you arenít going to like what I am about to say. But, I happen to think. That blind faith, which is demanded from all religious cults, will guarantee, the so called ďend timesĒ. Whether the end come as a result of nuclear holocaust, pollution, or global worming. Of course, thatís not to forget over population, which is a subject, that no one except for China, has dared to address.


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QUOTE (John Clements @ 13-Nov-2006, 08:49 AM)
Of course, thatís not to forget over population, which is a subject, that no one except for China, has dared to address.

Yeah, their forced abortions are a great idea, right John? Nice government of well meaning individuals. I also have a lovely photo of a Christan lady who was murdered for passing out tracts. They are trying to get her family to allow them to burn her remains so they evidence of their torture is disposed of. I tell you, why doesn't our government come up with these creative means of population control? But maybe with Pelosi as House Speaker. . .

Back on topic. Folks in many theological circles have believed in the imminent returns of Christ for many years. Even the Apostles seemed to think the Jesus would return shortly after His ascension. They were wrong, of course, but that belief helped affect their daily living in a positive way.

I personally think His Coming is very soon. But whether He comes tomorrow or a hundred years from now, I plan to try my best to give Him my best. He deserves nothing less!



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QUOTE (haynes9 @ 13-Nov-2006, 10:50 PM)
Back on topic. Folks in many theological circles have believed in the imminent returns of Christ for many years. Even the Apostles seemed to think the Jesus would return shortly after His ascension. They were wrong, of course, but that belief helped affect their daily living in a positive way.

I personally think His Coming is very soon. But whether He comes tomorrow or a hundred years from now, I plan to try my best to give Him my best. He deserves nothing less!

I agree totally. If if Jesus were to come back tomorrow during lunch break or 1000 years from now we need to remember to be at work bringing about the full reign of the Kingdom of God here on earth. Too many Christians tend to treat the earth and its people as if dominion over it is our absolute right which it isn't. It is a gift from God and requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation. We all have a obligation to treat the earth and its people as gifts from a loving God. Look for the presence of Jesus in everything and everyone. I try to see Jesus in everyone I meet and it helps me to see that in a way, he is already here.
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My mom (76years young) always believed that her's was the generation that would see Christ return. Even though she's dieing she still believes. I told her once. after we found out that she doesn't have long, that she was lucky, she would get to see Him before the rest of us. I reminded her that, the dead shall rise first, and they that are alive shall meet Him in the air. She gave me such a smile.


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I agree. We need to live though we were to die tomorrow but plan like we will live forever. biggrin.gif

Now as for JC. We just need to ove him and take him with a grain of salt. I've had harsh word for him before but I forgive him. thumbs_up.gif
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Posted: 14-Nov-2006, 06:29 AM
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Here's a good web site I forgot to post. www.prophecywatch.com thumbs_up.gif
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Iím very happy for you all, and I hope that you all achieve youíre goal, of basking in the glow of the lord. But my goal is learning to live in reality. The reality of compromise, in that some day, my daughter, and hopefully her childrenís children, will not have to fight over power, money, religions, race, food, clean air, water, and just plain old elbow room.
So the idea of cranking out children, like thereís no tomorrow, because the end times are a coming, sounds pretty selfish to me. Donít think? I mean, do you think that God really cares? If we bent a few rules, in order to survive, and get along for as long as possible. I donít think he would, but then. I donít believe in a superior being, so it doesnít make any difference.
Oh, by the way, birth control is just that, birth control, in order to avoid abortions. I donít like them either, so I think they should be avoided, by the use of birth control. Oh, but thatís against your religion, maybe thatís a rule that should be bent a little, for the sake of humanity.
So, if youíre looking forward to the end times, kindly leave me out of it, although I donít think you will. Will you. Sex and death, deal with it, they are realities.
Hey Nova, your right. I have been called a salty dog.
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Posted: 14-Nov-2006, 10:01 PM
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We all need to remember, we DON'T know the hour or the day. I know some people who arn't putting money away for when they die. They say that they are going to be raptured. I say that's foolish. True it sure does look bad but many generations have thought it was on us before. Only now we see so many values being put aside to make way for selfishness. The Church is being called biggots. I think when the day comes that the USA, Canada, England, etc. Turn against and stop supporting Israel, that will be the END of the west. I don't worry about it. I actually say hey, Gods on his way and it's too bad that when he comes and goes, there will be so many people who will still deny him. However, speaking of the rapture, I think more people will be saved afterward because so many folks have heard of it and choose to think it's "bolona". But when it happens they'll know. Assuming that the rapture is pretribulation. thumbs_up.gif
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QUOTE (John Clements @ 14-Nov-2006, 02:58 PM)
Iím very happy for you all, and I hope that you all achieve youíre goal, of basking in the glow of the lord. But my goal is learning to live in reality. The reality of compromise, in that some day, my daughter, and hopefully her childrenís children, will not have to fight over power, money, religions, race, food, clean air, water, and just plain old elbow room.
So the idea of cranking out children, like thereís no tomorrow, because the end times are a coming, sounds pretty selfish to me. Donít think? I mean, do you think that God really cares? If we bent a few rules, in order to survive, and get along for as long as possible. I donít think he would, but then. I donít believe in a superior being, so it doesnít make any difference.
Oh, by the way, birth control is just that, birth control, in order to avoid abortions. I donít like them either, so I think they should be avoided, by the use of birth control. Oh, but thatís against your religion, maybe thatís a rule that should be bent a little, for the sake of humanity.
So, if youíre looking forward to the end times, kindly leave me out of it, although I donít think you will. Will you. Sex and death, deal with it, they are realities.
Hey Nova, your right. I have been called a salty dog.
Hang in all.
JC

Hey JC. I'm one who believes in birth control. Look at you tongue.gif Just kidding tongue.gif I love you man. But birth control is disliked by the Catholic church. No where in the Bible that I know of says anything about birth control.

If I offend you by my remark,I'm biggrin.gif sorry in advance. thumbs_up.gif
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Thanks Nova, I needed a laugh.
Later, JC
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I've been told by some that the anti-Christ is a muslim. I don't think so. It doesn't make sense. I personally think that this "holy war" the muslims are in with the west is going to be lost by them the muslims. However, Christians and Jews and any other religion is going to be viewed as violent and all about control. Now that time will be ripe for the anti-christ.
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A thought here. One concept that I think holds a great deal of validity, especially with the current politcal landscape, is that the anti-christ is not a single entity but a single line of thinking. That line of thinking is one of anti-Israel. Remember that a part of Armageddon is the armies of the north sweeping over Israel.

The anit-christ tries to destroy Israel but is protected by God and is repulsed back. The seven plagues begin after this war.

With the rise of of anti-semintism in the world, of which, Islamic radicalism is just a part, one could very easily see the basis for such thought. In which Israel is the lone island of the world. If the forces of evil succeed in isolating Isreal, attacks could come from anywhere. Out of the ashes of the wars and pestilance comes the embodiment of the anti-christ or single hatred of Israel. Here, one could also surmise some sort of world government. I believe that the United Nations parallel this embodiment.

The United Nations calls for a one world government. Many governments would bow down to such a body, they already do. We have the United Nations as a quasi-government body which supports the World Trade Organisation, and the World Court. These represent governmental, financial and legal aspects of world domination. It is headed by a single individual.

The single element that disturbs the process is the United States' support of Israel. Once that support is gone, Israel is left to its own devices. In essence, the United States is cutting its own throat by its support of the United Nations. Almost every issue before the United Nations is rejected by a few and supported by a multitude of others. Look at the disarray on the issues of North Korea and Iran.

The end times are near. But the stage has not been finished yet, it's still being set up. The rise of anit-semintism has not crescendoed, it is building, but the forces have not coalesced into a coherent force yet.


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