| QUOTE (wdorholt @ 07-Apr-2010, 02:02 AM) |
| But I don't think Jesus is your best candidate for poster boy for the GOA. |
Could there be a greater understatement than this?
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| Posted by: Patch 06-Apr-2010, 04:41 PM |
| "The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose." - James Earl Jones Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 06-Apr-2010, 05:42 PM |
| "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his house, his possessions are safe." - Luke 11:21 Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 06-Apr-2010, 05:43 PM |
| "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed." - Exodus 22:2 Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 06-Apr-2010, 05:44 PM |
| "Jesus said, 'But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a sword must sell his cloak and buy one.'" - Luke 22:36 Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 06-Apr-2010, 08:05 PM |
| Ooooh, I like this. “Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and monkeys do too (if they have a gun).” Eddie Izzard |
| Posted by: Patch 06-Apr-2010, 08:47 PM |
| "I will teach my children weapons and warfare, so they might teach their children science and law, so they might teach their children art and literature." - Unknown Greek Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: wdorholt 06-Apr-2010, 11:20 PM | ||
Most biblical scholars suggest that this was not to be taken literally, but a way of Jesus saying to his apostles after the last supper that enemies upon every side will assail them or to indicate they were at a time of extreme danger. Shortly after this passage, Jesus rebukes Peter for using the sword. |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Apr-2010, 12:17 AM |
| I included it because that is how it was written. One could determine that everything in the bible has a different meaning from what is written. Actually different meanings could be attributed to every passage and probably have so I suspect the wisest course is to take it for what it says.I have more of the biblical references. I have always understood that the rebuke was for the time at which Peter used the sword, not the "fact" that he used it. Peter was trying to change what was to be. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: wdorholt 07-Apr-2010, 01:02 AM | ||
A reasonable point. But I don't think Jesus is your best candidate for poster boy for the GOA. |
| Posted by: Antwn 07-Apr-2010, 09:15 AM | ||
Yes, God forbid that anything be "interpreted", even the Bible. Odd that the majority of your "gun" quotes are Biblical quotes or from an "unknown Greek". Any quotes having to do with guns in your gun quote thread? |
| Posted by: Antwn 07-Apr-2010, 09:20 AM | ||
Could there be a greater understatement than this? |
| Posted by: Antwn 07-Apr-2010, 09:30 AM |
| "You can have my gun when you pry it from my paranoid, mentally disturbed, physically-abusive, cold, dead hand." - Bumper sticker "Every gun that's made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. This world in arms...is spending the genius of its scientists, the sweat of its laborers,” -- Dwight Eisenhower |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Apr-2010, 09:54 AM |
| Actually, when CC picked up some popularity after a change in the law, one of the early classes had a preacher three deacons and some of the parishioners from the same church. There were a number of discussions outside of the regular training about why they had decided to obtain licenses. The minister and deacons quoted a great amount of scripture to support their actions including those verses posted. The gist of their belief was that while it was not Christian to assault ones fellow man, it also was not christian to Fail to protect your family. They felt that their family included friends and parishioners and all of Gods people. That same class also had a man in his late 70's, at least, who when I asked why he had decided to obtain a license said that he was concerned that one day soon he might need a firearm to go to the grocery store and get back home This was while the world economies were still booming. All present had interesting reasons for their decision but the most wrenching was the young lady who had been assaulted by her male friend and nearly killed 5 years earlier. He was about to be released and she was terrified. Enough Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Antwn 07-Apr-2010, 10:40 AM | ||
You can find Biblical verses to justify about any position you wish to take on any issue. So what. The thread (which you started) is entitled "gun control quotes" not "Biblical quotes cherrypicked to justify a position on guns with an occasional anonymous Greek person thrown in to add dubious authority by his ancient greekness". Just thought I'd clarify that. |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Apr-2010, 11:02 AM |
| "There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period." - Ted Nugent Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Apr-2010, 11:03 AM |
| "To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." - Ted Nugent Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Apr-2010, 11:05 AM |
| This may be a duplicate but well worth a second posting! "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Apr-2010, 03:08 PM | ||
 The Nuge is one of your authorities?  There are 308 million people in the US. "Hundreds" usually means some number of hundreds greater than two. "Hundreds of millions" would mean the vast majority of the population -- actually, virtually all of us -- re armed already, according to this authority. I'm afraid "Not one of them will have an accident today" is above even this authority's powers to predict. Are you just finding these things and slapping them down with no thoughts about the source or content? |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Apr-2010, 03:17 PM |
| "I have a very strict gun control policy: if there's a gun around, I want to be in control of it." - Clint Eastwood Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Apr-2010, 03:19 PM |
| " ... the right to defend one's home and one's person when attacked has been guaranteed through the ages by common law." - Martin Luther King Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Apr-2010, 08:37 PM | ||
Look, you can take the Bible out of context and somebody else can call you on it, because it's really not my turf. But this IS my turf. This quote is not from Freud. Here is a post from a site called ConcealedCarry, regretfully making the correction: tylerdouglass Posted - 03/17/2010 : 10:34:31 Just thought I would point something out... �A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity� Sigmund Frued That is probably not a REAL quote by Sigmund Freud... As much as I would LOVE to blow some of my liberal friends out of the water, he just didn't say it... It is important, as responsible gun owners, that we are presenting VALID arguments when arguing the PROS of gun control. Nothing looks worse than quoting a high figure supporting your cause, only to have it turned on you when it's discovered he may not have actually said it. According to Wikiquote:guns quote:"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Falsely attributed to Sigmund Freud. This has been sourced to General Introduction to Psychoanalysis [10] [11] [12] [13] due to a misreading of a 1990 essay by Don B. Kates [14]. The quote is Kates' own characterization of a passage in Freud and Oppenheim, Dreams in Folklore, and not Freud's words. According to Wikiquote: Sigmund Freud quote:A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity. This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner: Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of � in any event, he does not cite � other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership. Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages: alt.quotations, uk.politics.guns, talk.politics.guns, can.talk.guns , etc. Now -- tell me how much Freud you have read, even in English. Which one of all his works did you ever even hold in your hand. And then I'll tell you how many I am familiar with, a few of them even in the original German. He never said this about fear of weapons. He did have more than a few things to say about phallic symbols, of which guns are a notable example, and male inadequacy fears, but I would not presume to quote him lightly out of context (his indescribably complex context, that takes years of study to -- well, penetrate  ) just to have a laugh on you. That would be a disrespect to his theoretical authority.Anybody who thinks I am "picking" instead of discussing -- fine. You don't like what the government is trying to ram down your throat -- I don't like what you try to ram down ours with this kind of irresponsible posting. |
| Posted by: Patch 08-Apr-2010, 01:47 AM |
| "The thing that separates the American Christian from every other person on earth is the fact that he would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees!" - George Washington Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Antwn 08-Apr-2010, 01:10 PM | ||
Thank you for your post Stoirmeil. I thought that Freud quote was a bit ridiculous. For those who don't know, Stoirmeil teaches psychology at the university level. |
| Posted by: Patch 08-Apr-2010, 02:58 PM |
| "The philosophy of gun control: Teenagers are roaring through town at 90MPH, where the speed limit is 25. Your solution is to lower the speed limit to 20." - Sam Cohen (inventor of the neutron bomb) Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 13-Apr-2010, 02:06 PM | ||
So. That means NOTHING to me. Not putting down anyone who is a professor at a university. It can be a long hard road to get to that position. It's also not the easiest job nor the best paid job. However, I'll never take a side based on someones credentials. Just because someone is highly educated doesn't mean they are all knowing and ONLY their advice, opinion or decision matters more then others who are of lesser education. |
| Posted by: Patch 27-Apr-2010, 08:54 AM |
| "Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men." - St. Augustine Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 02-May-2010, 02:57 PM |
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| Posted by: Patch 03-May-2010, 04:28 PM |
| "Let the American youth never forget, that they possess a noble inheritance, bought by the toils, and sufferings, and blood of their ancestors." --Joseph Story Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Antwn 03-May-2010, 05:36 PM | ||
By what disassociative Patch-logic does this correlate with the control or lack of control of guns? I guess as much as a quote by St Augustine. I wonder if by "defensive violence" Augustine included his threat to his monks that they'd suffer punishment of death for making changes while copying scripture, a practice that was common at the time. Quotes from a man who lived in the 4th century hardly apply to guns, but its your thread. Because someone made a comment about self defense doesn't mean that defense is by a gun nor does it mean they're a gun advocate, but maybe you have a time machine. |
| Posted by: Patch 03-May-2010, 05:58 PM |
| There have been weapons throughout time, quite possibly starting with a rock in the biblical story of Cain and Abel. I have a collection of swords, a South American "blow gun and darts", Stun sticks of various voltages, Pepper spray and firearms. From history we learn the necessity of self defense. No government entity has EVER been able to "protect" us! |
| Posted by: Antwn 03-May-2010, 06:19 PM | ||
Thank you, I was aware of the existence of weaponry throughout time. What would you consider a government "entity"? The military? The legislative and executive branches of government who dictate who they'll fight? Would those be included in the term "government entity"? Yes I know its citizens who comprise the military, but its also citizens who comprise every government "entity". Its doesn't make it less a government entity. I'd say every example of a government entity I've listed above has tried it best to protect us and has succeeded in many conflicts. I'm surprised that you as an ex-soldier and one who lauds those who serve would say "no government entity has EVER been able to "protect" us!" |
| Posted by: Patch 03-May-2010, 06:32 PM |
| In war, "maybe" but not always but with police, absolutely not. until we each have a staff of police 24/7 we are not protected. Personal weapons in America only came into play during the revolution. The topic is about personal weapons. |
| Posted by: Antwn 04-May-2010, 04:25 PM | ||
No the topic is about gun control quotes, read the title. The title even suggests a thread about the control of guns, yet the majority of posts (yours) are about advocacy (or meant to be) not control. Perhaps you should be more clear about your titles. If you want to expand the subject matter of your own thread, I have no problem. Secondly, the fact that the police do an imperfect job of protection at best is not to say unequivocally that no protection is provided. You're exaggerating at best, insulting law enforcement at worst. I'm not going to argue your love affair with guns and/or other weapons, knock yourself out, I'm only questioning your logic. Third, personal weapons did not only come into play during the revolution. All indigenous people in pre-colonized America had personal weapons as you know. When the first permanent English settlement was established in Jamestown in 1607 those colonists carried personal weapons, as did the Spanish conquistadors. You might want to make your points (and name your threads) more clearly. Not an admonition, just a suggestion. |
| Posted by: Patch 04-May-2010, 07:12 PM |
| If you do not like where it is going, do not read the posts. That is how I deal with things that bother me and it works quite well. The police are NOT your protectors. They were never intended to be. They are supposed to catch those who harm or kill you. Sometimes they accomplish THAT task but not always! If they do, they seldom make right your financial loss and can not remedy any other physical loss. If it is protection you desire, you must protect your self or hire a round the clock body guard service. In the wars that took place within our borders the public was not kept safe by any army. Again they protected themselves by what ever means were at hand. I intend to keep posting quotes that relate to the thought process which conceived our Constitutional second amendment. Being so notified, you will know in the future that you are likely to find something here that might bother you. That way you can avoid finding yourself in the position of being made to feel ill at ease. |
| Posted by: Antwn 04-May-2010, 07:40 PM | ||
It doesn't bother me, just trying to make sense of what you're doing. You missed my point or ignored it but that's okay - forget it. |
| Posted by: Patch 04-May-2010, 07:50 PM |
| I will thank you. |
| Posted by: Patch 18-May-2010, 09:15 AM |
| "Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one's life, one's goods or one's physical integrity; sometimes, even 'til the aggressor’s death.... In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one’s life or one’s goods and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act, which is the right of the victim." - Thomas Aquinas Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 26-May-2010, 06:48 PM |
| "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic." --Joseph Story Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 08-Jun-2010, 08:42 AM |
| "Keeping and bearing arms is not only a fundamental right; it is a fundamental duty upon which all liberty and sovereignty is based." - Donald L. Cline Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 21-Jun-2010, 11:43 AM |
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| Posted by: Patch 21-Jun-2010, 01:02 PM |
| "When the law disallows both the means and moral authority to defend one's self and property, crime and violence fill the void between common sense and the hoped for utopia." - JD Filkins Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 21-Jun-2010, 01:07 PM |
| "Keeping and bearing arms is not only a fundamental right; it is a fundamental duty upon which all liberty and sovereignty is based." - Donald L. Cline Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 21-Jun-2010, 01:08 PM |
| "A shoot-out is better than a massacre!" - David M. Bennett Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 27-Jun-2010, 03:25 PM |
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| Posted by: Patch 30-Jun-2010, 10:22 AM |
| ""The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic." --Justice Joseph Story Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 07-Feb-2012, 11:02 AM |
| "The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements .... They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results." - Benito Mussolini "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." - Adolf Hitler “This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilised nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!” Adolf Hitler “All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately...The SS, SA and Stahlhelm give every responsible opportunity of campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the above-named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his weapon...must be regarded as an enemy of the national government.” — SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933. And to start the Halocost: On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons. Source: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf Quotes from a terrible time in our history and sadly we can find senators and house members here on the left (also a few on the right) who echo the above sentiments, with the exception being the quote related to the Jewish people. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: five4 27-Oct-2015, 07:06 AM |
| As to the unknown Greek quote...In a letter written by John Adams in Paris 1780 he says..."I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce and agriculture in order to give their children a right to study paintings, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry and porcelain"... To this I add...and so with the quadracycle, it falls on every 4th generation to be breed as Spartans to preserve peace and freedom for the other 3 generations. So we must honor them and support them and stand by them, with them and for them so we can enjoy the freedoms that are so costly to endure. As I told my two boys when they young, I would say " What is the price of freedom?" and they would answer "Vigilance." to which I would ask, "How do we pay for it?" the reply..."With blood." |
| Posted by: five4 27-Oct-2015, 07:15 AM |
| Now for some gun control quotes: "There are no good guns, there are no bad guns. Any gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing, any gun in the hands of a decent person is no threat to any body except bad people." Charlton Heston |
| Posted by: five4 27-Oct-2015, 07:54 AM |
| "A gentleman rarely needs a gun but when he does he needs it very badly"...Winston Churchill Guns have only two enemies: Rust and politicians...UNK "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow the fields for those that do not."...Thomas Jefferson Remember: The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will not be needed until the government tries to take it away...UNK |
| Posted by: five4 27-Oct-2015, 03:37 PM |
| "A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government"... George Washington |
| Posted by: five4 09-Nov-2015, 08:29 AM |
| A system of licensing and registration is a perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie...Lenin |