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| Posted by: Nova Scotian 12-Nov-2006, 09:09 PM |
| No one knows the hour or the day. But looking at the signs of the times I think we are getting close. I hope I'll never live to see the day of rapture. I know of way too many who refuse the aknowledge Christ. I'd also like to see my daughter have the privilidge of living life as well as my secound child that on the way. But it's not my will but God's will. I don't know. It's just a thought. I do know a few other things have to happen before the end and the new beginning. |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 12-Nov-2006, 11:30 PM |
| I'm beginning to think we are getting there also. The RC Catechism lists a couple signs that Catholics are looking for. The reconition by all Isreal, a persecution by an antichrist. Then there are other apparition statements and prophecies like the great sign, the three days of darkness, among others. Most of the apparitions of Jesus and Mary throughtout the last two centuries seem to be pointing to something happening soon but we are allowed to take apparitions with a grain of salt. The are not required for membership or faith or as a surefire way to heaven. |
| Posted by: Tassiecelt 13-Nov-2006, 07:28 AM |
| Since becoming a Christian over 30 years ago I have from the beginning believed that we are in the Last Days. Events of the last ten years or so have only further convinced me that Christ's Return may well be in my own lifetime - I hope so! What events? Increase in wars about the globe Increase in natural disasters on a huge scale Increase in the influence of and interest in false religions and the occult Decrease in church attendance and solid Biblical belief. Demise of family values and ethics Wide acceptance of sexual deviance I could go on, but I've kept to those things which the Bible says will happen. (Matthew 24, 1 Peter, 2 Peter) Many people I speak with see that the end of life as we know it may be imminent, even those who have no Christian belief. One does not have to be a prophet to see the world is groaning and sick. Only the born again Christian has hope for the future that is based on truth. but hey, in spite of all this, the world is still a place of great beauty, at least where I live. |
| Posted by: John Clements 13-Nov-2006, 08:49 AM |
| I know that most of you aren’t going to like what I am about to say. But, I happen to think. That blind faith, which is demanded from all religious cults, will guarantee, the so called “end times”. Whether the end come as a result of nuclear holocaust, pollution, or global worming. Of course, that’s not to forget over population, which is a subject, that no one except for China, has dared to address. |
| Posted by: haynes9 13-Nov-2006, 09:50 PM | ||
Yeah, their forced abortions are a great idea, right John? Nice government of well meaning individuals. I also have a lovely photo of a Christan lady who was murdered for passing out tracts. They are trying to get her family to allow them to burn her remains so they evidence of their torture is disposed of. I tell you, why doesn't our government come up with these creative means of population control? But maybe with Pelosi as House Speaker. . . Back on topic. Folks in many theological circles have believed in the imminent returns of Christ for many years. Even the Apostles seemed to think the Jesus would return shortly after His ascension. They were wrong, of course, but that belief helped affect their daily living in a positive way. I personally think His Coming is very soon. But whether He comes tomorrow or a hundred years from now, I plan to try my best to give Him my best. He deserves nothing less! |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 13-Nov-2006, 10:15 PM | ||
I agree totally. If if Jesus were to come back tomorrow during lunch break or 1000 years from now we need to remember to be at work bringing about the full reign of the Kingdom of God here on earth. Too many Christians tend to treat the earth and its people as if dominion over it is our absolute right which it isn't. It is a gift from God and requires a religious respect for the integrity of creation. We all have a obligation to treat the earth and its people as gifts from a loving God. Look for the presence of Jesus in everything and everyone. I try to see Jesus in everyone I meet and it helps me to see that in a way, he is already here. |
| Posted by: aklassie 13-Nov-2006, 10:38 PM |
| My mom (76years young) always believed that her's was the generation that would see Christ return. Even though she's dieing she still believes. I told her once. after we found out that she doesn't have long, that she was lucky, she would get to see Him before the rest of us. I reminded her that, the dead shall rise first, and they that are alive shall meet Him in the air. She gave me such a smile. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 14-Nov-2006, 05:26 AM |
I agree. We need to live though we were to die tomorrow but plan like we will live forever.  Now as for JC. We just need to ove him and take him with a grain of salt. I've had harsh word for him before but I forgive him.  |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 14-Nov-2006, 05:29 AM |
| Here's a good web site I forgot to post. www.prophecywatch.com |
| Posted by: John Clements 14-Nov-2006, 01:58 PM |
| I’m very happy for you all, and I hope that you all achieve you’re goal, of basking in the glow of the lord. But my goal is learning to live in reality. The reality of compromise, in that some day, my daughter, and hopefully her children’s children, will not have to fight over power, money, religions, race, food, clean air, water, and just plain old elbow room. So the idea of cranking out children, like there’s no tomorrow, because the end times are a coming, sounds pretty selfish to me. Don’t think? I mean, do you think that God really cares? If we bent a few rules, in order to survive, and get along for as long as possible. I don’t think he would, but then. I don’t believe in a superior being, so it doesn’t make any difference. Oh, by the way, birth control is just that, birth control, in order to avoid abortions. I don’t like them either, so I think they should be avoided, by the use of birth control. Oh, but that’s against your religion, maybe that’s a rule that should be bent a little, for the sake of humanity. So, if you’re looking forward to the end times, kindly leave me out of it, although I don’t think you will. Will you. Sex and death, deal with it, they are realities. Hey Nova, your right. I have been called a salty dog. Hang in all. JC |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 14-Nov-2006, 09:01 PM |
| We all need to remember, we DON'T know the hour or the day. I know some people who arn't putting money away for when they die. They say that they are going to be raptured. I say that's foolish. True it sure does look bad but many generations have thought it was on us before. Only now we see so many values being put aside to make way for selfishness. The Church is being called biggots. I think when the day comes that the USA, Canada, England, etc. Turn against and stop supporting Israel, that will be the END of the west. I don't worry about it. I actually say hey, Gods on his way and it's too bad that when he comes and goes, there will be so many people who will still deny him. However, speaking of the rapture, I think more people will be saved afterward because so many folks have heard of it and choose to think it's "bolona". But when it happens they'll know. Assuming that the rapture is pretribulation. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 14-Nov-2006, 09:07 PM | ||
Hey JC. I'm one who believes in birth control. Look at you  Just kidding I love you man. But birth control is disliked by the Catholic church. No where in the Bible that I know of says anything about birth control.If I offend you by my remark,I'm sorry in advance. |
| Posted by: John Clements 15-Nov-2006, 08:22 AM |
| Thanks Nova, I needed a laugh. Later, JC |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 19-Nov-2006, 07:31 PM |
| I've been told by some that the anti-Christ is a muslim. I don't think so. It doesn't make sense. I personally think that this "holy war" the muslims are in with the west is going to be lost by them the muslims. However, Christians and Jews and any other religion is going to be viewed as violent and all about control. Now that time will be ripe for the anti-christ. |
| Posted by: stevenpd 19-Nov-2006, 10:37 PM |
| A thought here. One concept that I think holds a great deal of validity, especially with the current politcal landscape, is that the anti-christ is not a single entity but a single line of thinking. That line of thinking is one of anti-Israel. Remember that a part of Armageddon is the armies of the north sweeping over Israel. The anit-christ tries to destroy Israel but is protected by God and is repulsed back. The seven plagues begin after this war. With the rise of of anti-semintism in the world, of which, Islamic radicalism is just a part, one could very easily see the basis for such thought. In which Israel is the lone island of the world. If the forces of evil succeed in isolating Isreal, attacks could come from anywhere. Out of the ashes of the wars and pestilance comes the embodiment of the anti-christ or single hatred of Israel. Here, one could also surmise some sort of world government. I believe that the United Nations parallel this embodiment. The United Nations calls for a one world government. Many governments would bow down to such a body, they already do. We have the United Nations as a quasi-government body which supports the World Trade Organisation, and the World Court. These represent governmental, financial and legal aspects of world domination. It is headed by a single individual. The single element that disturbs the process is the United States' support of Israel. Once that support is gone, Israel is left to its own devices. In essence, the United States is cutting its own throat by its support of the United Nations. Almost every issue before the United Nations is rejected by a few and supported by a multitude of others. Look at the disarray on the issues of North Korea and Iran. The end times are near. But the stage has not been finished yet, it's still being set up. The rise of anit-semintism has not crescendoed, it is building, but the forces have not coalesced into a coherent force yet. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 20-Nov-2006, 07:36 AM |
| I disagree with you saying that the anti-Christ is a state of mind and not a man but it does make sense. I do agree that the stage is not fully set. The atrocities the Jews got heaped upon them during WW2 is still fresh in many peoples minds. I mean what did the Jews do to diserve that. My neighbors father saw it with his own eyes during the war and is still affected by it. |
| Posted by: haynes9 20-Nov-2006, 11:16 AM |
| Interesting thoughts all - even from you, John ! Scripture seems to indicate the Antichrist is a gentile (non-Jew) and possibly European. There are many things that we have now that make the possibility of his rise more plausible. I, too, believe he is an individual. I do not believe he is Judas reincarnated, though I have good friend that hold to that view. I also tend to think he is active in government today, but that we will not know his identity until after the rapture. BTW, Nova, I agree that the rapture is pretribulational (Sorry all about the overuse of theological terms). |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 27-Nov-2006, 08:36 PM |
| You know speaking of the "end times", I use to get mad when I heard people mocking men of God and calling them evil. Well now I comfort myself that it's only the sign of the times. I hear Christian and non-Christians on a lot of the CR message boards blasting Israel, Pat Robertson, etc. Well, I don't totally agree with Rev. Robertson and Israels behavior in the past has been questionable. Well all I can say is it's just one more piece to the puzzle. What is sad is all those around the world who mock Christianity, men of God, and condem Israel, if the rapture occurs in their life time, they'll all unfortunately. However, they'll be in a better position then those who have died. Those who are dead can't repent. I do my best to stay out of arguments over preachers and if I don't care for a certain man of God, I keep my mouth closed. They are still commissioned by God for God. Just remember when David had the chance to kill Saul ? And why he didn't? Saul, as evil as he was was was still Gods anointed and David knew that. I try to remember that when I hear a preacher I disagree with. But hey these are the last days and I'm excited. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 27-Nov-2006, 08:41 PM | ||
I was pulled away and didn't finish my thought here. As I was saying, If the repture occurs in their life time, they'll all unfortunately remember what was told to them. Many will make excuses but many will seek God at that point. |
| Posted by: Celtic cat 04-Dec-2006, 07:38 PM |
| First of all, I have nothing against the Jewish faith or Israel, honestly I don't really know what is happening right now over there. But I find something contradictory here. Some of you are saying sorta that God will punish the non-believers of Christ, and that God will end the world because of anti-semitism. I am not sure but someone mentioned that in the Bible it states that the end of times is near when Israel is destroyed. So why would God end the world in defense of His people the Israelites...and persecute Jews for not believing in Jesus?..I say this only because I have heard many people say that Jews are going to hell. I don't personally believe that but hey. Seems like the Old testament and New contradict each other if what everyone is saying is true. btw I am not trying to be conflicting just genuinely confused. Someone show me some verses please. thanks |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 04-Dec-2006, 11:42 PM |
| Hi Celtic Cat The whole process is very hard to explain because there are so many different viewpoints about the end of the world and how it will happen. I doing this purley from memory so my timeline might be out of wack abit. Before WWII nobody like the Jewish people. Support for Isreal has been a very big thing since Hal Lindsey book "The Late Great Planet Earth" came out during the late 60-early 70's? Most of the viewpoints you hear about today revolve around this book. His teachings actually date back to an Anglican priest who came up with the theology of the rapture during the 1800's. The time line is usually (1)-Isreal becomes a state which happened in 1949 (2)-the rise of the one world govermentand the antichrist who heads up this 13 nation group. Some have pointed to the UN, other the European Common Market, others russia or China. (1.5 or 2.5) you pick the time for the The Rapture were all the true Christians are taken to heaven takes place either before or after the tribulations started by the antichrist. (3)New temple is built in Isreal by antichrist to plaese the jews but he uses it as base of operations-commands all to worship him. Jews and christians give him the raspberry. Seven years of tribulations take place under the antichrist with persecution of Christians if they have not already been raptured or new Christians who are brought to Christ by the 144,000 converted Jews. Final war betwen Jesus and antichrist. 10,000 year reign of Jesus-final judgement, etc Gets more complicated from then on. So most of the support for Isreal comes from the belief that they are God's chosen people and you don't mess with God's chosen ones (ex:see Pharoah) and because of the pivitol role that Isreal plays in the all end times scenes. Most evangelical groups, those who are "born again" (was one for 10 years) will follow this end time pattern. More traditional Protestant groups such as the Lutherans (was me) tend to just say-we don't know when-just be ready. Roman Catholics (that's me now) have some elements of it plus a few other things most evangelicals have never even heard of but are probably just as scary. But the theme of an antichrist, a tribulation, and a conversion of Isreal (they shall look upon him whom they have pierced) are present in the scenerios. |
| Posted by: John Clements 05-Dec-2006, 08:08 AM |
| Recently I heard some republican politician on the radio, saying that the idea of global worming is the greatest Hokes ever perpetrated on the people of these United States. Well as usual, being opened minded. I can’t say that I agree with him, because I think the greatest story ever told, is the greatest Hokes, IE, religion in general. Yea, I know, I’m going to burn in hell for eternity, well so be it! JC |
| Posted by: Celtic cat 05-Dec-2006, 03:52 PM |
| Roberto thanks for that information, very helpful. But why do some Christians say that Jews are not going to have salvation, while thoughts here on the forum seem to be that they are the chosen people? thanks again |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 05-Dec-2006, 07:00 PM | ||
Most of us in here all ready know that you think all religion is a hoax JC. Can't you be nice about it and not come in here and try to throw it in our faces. I mean I know that some don't keep it out of other threads. I say if someone says they don't want to hear it, I respect their wishes. This area, Kirk and chaple is not the place to come and not expect to hear about faith and "religion" as you put it. This is a place for Christians to discuss their Faith and yes sometimes it get REAL INTERESTING  However, that is what Kirk and Chaple is for. Anyway JC, I love ya anyway! |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 05-Dec-2006, 11:09 PM | ||
For a long time most of Christianity hated the Jews and it was perfectly acceptable. A good example would be Shakespare's Merchant of Venice. Jews and Christians started to not get along about the time that the temple in Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 A.D. Christians were kind of protected from Roman authorities because they were still considered a Jewish sect. When they started getting too seperated in theology the two groups went their seperate ways and not on good terms. The seperation meant that Christians were not longer protected under roman law and were then persecuted. So Jewish and Christian relations have always been strained up untill WWII. The Holocast seemed to open the eyes of a lot of Christians but not all. There are many different denominations and types of Christianity and each holds its own view on Jews and their salvation. That is why you get conflicting viewpoints. There are still alot of issues Christians haven't agreed on and this is one of them. |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 05-Dec-2006, 11:32 PM |
| This article is from a Catholic website. I hope it helps better than I can http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9902chap.asp |
| Posted by: haynes9 06-Dec-2006, 12:03 AM | ||
The word is "hoax," John. Know you're big on accuracy. Just had to help you out there. Personally, I would like to see you in Heaven someday. Much of religion is a hoax. Can't disagree with you there. But not all folks who profess faith in Christ are fakes and phonies. I do believe in a literal Hell, but have no pleasure in the thought of anyone going there. That's why I preach what I preach and do what I do to try and get folks to see that there is a Heaven to gain. Have a good day, my friend. Anxious to hear how the Costa Rica trip goes. |
| Posted by: haynes9 06-Dec-2006, 12:25 AM | ||
It's kind of difficult to encapsulate this issue. No criticism, though, because you have asked a great question. God chose Israel through which to perform His work. Of course, Jesus was a Jew and the Bible itself is a Jewish book. The Old and New Testaments do not contradict, but they do show different aspects of God's plan. His way of salvation was always and still is through the Messiah. As a Christian, I believe that is and was Jesus Christ. Most Jews do not believe this. God has not forgotten Israel and there is still a relationship and a plan of God for Israel. But the way of salvation is something that is made for individuals. I believe the Bible teaches the way of salvation is available to all men, whether Jew or Gentile. The requirements are the same. If a Jew or Gentile (non Jew) receives Christ as their Savior, they have Heaven as their permanent home. For all, Jew or Gentile, who reject His plan of salvation, there are consequences. I guess what I am trying to say is that it isn't really and "Jew or non Jew" thing. And I also realize that an issue this complicated has been oversimplified (I'm talking about my attempt to explain this). There will come a day in the Tribulation that Israel will be converted as a nation. Another long, drawn out discussion! I can recommend some works that might go into more detail on this if you like. Drop me a PM or on this forum and I'll give you a list of things that I find helpful on this subject. Take care and have a great day! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 07-Dec-2006, 05:58 AM | ||
Very well said. I believe God has a plan for EVERYONE to make it to Heaven. Like you said that the Jews will be converted in the end, I believe according to genesis, that the Muslims in the end will all be converted. After all they are followers of a descendent of Abraham. King Hussain of Jordan said before he died after Jordan formally recognized Israel, " I pray the day will come where we will all put down our weapons and be family again". |
| Posted by: John Clements 07-Dec-2006, 09:42 AM |
| Hi Nova, I have to say, how pious of you, to forgive me for being disagreeable, on an open forum? You know, it’s just that sort of demeaning attitude, that puts me off religion in general. But that’s ok, because I forgive you too. haynes9, thanks for the spelling correction, and, your interest in my up and coming trip to Costa Rica. I can’t wait to go, because I’ve been an avid snorkel diver, since I was a kid, and this will be my first opportunity to go diving, in the mighty Pacific. All though I must say though, I hope I don’t run into any Great Whites out there. I mean, I certainly wouldn’t want the end times to come any sooner for me, then need be. And now to get back to the subject of the End Times, which I do believe is inevitable, God or no God. Of course I could be wrong, I which case, I guess I’ll be posting from depths hell, but not on this forum, because my head hurts too much, from constantly banging it against the walls of Jericho. Enjoy yourselves guys, it’s later then you think. (What a great song. I wish I wrote it.) JC |
| Posted by: haynes9 07-Dec-2006, 01:27 PM | ||
John, DO NOT bang your head against the walls of Jericho! They already fell down in the book of Joshua  !You know that you and I agree on almost nothing. Having said that, I honestly enjoy the give and take. Doesn't bother me a bit that you post here as long as I can still post my revolting Republican views in the political forum ! And I am interested in your trip. Sounds like the trip of a lifetime. I don't think the Great Whites will eat you. You're probably way too "gamey" tasting for them. John, I wish you would take a look at some of the prophecies with regards to the end times. It is interesting how that many of the things that needed to be in place for certain things to happen have occurred in our lifetimes. I wish you weren't so put off with religion in general, but I understand it. Trust me, I get put off by a lot of what goes on in the name of religion. But I do believe the Bible and find that the prophetic passages that it contains help verify it's authenticity with me. Anyway, always enjoy the "battles" with you. BTW, when does the Costa Rica trip take place? Have a great day, my friend! And watch out for those falling bricks from Jericho! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 11-Dec-2006, 08:42 PM | ||
JC. No problem. Hey I know that there are a lot of Christians that can turn stomachs better then turning folks away from sin. Trust me. I've been around them. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 11-Dec-2006, 08:45 PM |
| I hope JC does make it back from snorkling in Costa Rica. We just gotta love him. |
| Posted by: John Clements 14-Dec-2006, 09:41 AM |
| Hey guys, rest assured that I take no offence at being called either, “salty, or gamey, in fact I take them both as complements. And all I can say is that I hope that the end times don’t come before January 13, because that’s when we’ll be leaving for Costa Rica, for a period eight days. As usual, other then having airline tickets, we have no definite plans, except to rent a SUV, and aim it at the west cost of the country, which is just the way we toured Scotland, a couple of years a go, and I’m still amazed, that we came home from that trip, which would be hard to top. All in all, it should make for an exciting trip. By the way, did you know that the literacy rate in Costa Rica, is at 93%, and the violent crime rate is one of the lowest in the world. Now I ask you, what does that saying about the state of affairs here in the good old US of A? Yesterday I got a video from the library. Its title is.” Retire In Costa Rica.” You never know? Talk on you later, I actually have some work to do. JC P.S. Does anyone know how to say… do you know the way to San Jose… in Spanish? |
| Posted by: haynes9 18-Dec-2006, 10:38 AM |
| Hey John, just wanted you to know that I've put in a word with the Lord to see if we can hold off the end times until you get back from your trip ! Seriously, have a great time. I've heard nothing but good things about Costa Rica from those who have been there. Looking forward to hearing how it goes. We are making a quick run to Texas for Christmas to spend time with our sons. It's not Costa Rica, but a good time will be had by all! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 21-Dec-2006, 04:51 AM |
| OK, OK. JC we love ya. Now lets get back to the topic. I think the end times arn't the end of the world but the end of the age. As we know it. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 12-Jan-2007, 08:01 PM |
| The more I hear the news everyday, the more I celebrate that Christ's return is even closer. |
| Posted by: haynes9 12-Jan-2007, 09:47 PM |
| Agree, NS! Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus! |
| Posted by: MacAibhistin 04-Mar-2007, 10:06 PM | ||
Hey Haynes, who needs Pelosi? You've got Bush.
It's called Iraq . . . sounds like the great tribulation to me. Just a thought, Rory MacAibhistin |
| Posted by: haynes9 04-Mar-2007, 10:19 PM | ||
Classic, Rory! Classic! |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 04-Mar-2007, 10:44 PM |
| I came across this on Spirit Daily yesterday. I wasn't going to post it at first but then when I saw this thread was active again I thought what the heck. The article does sum up some things and brings in some other viewpoints form the Muslim side, among others, about the end times. http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=antonioAbaya_mar1_2007 |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 12-Mar-2007, 08:59 AM | ||
The article is interesting but I think trying to predict the end times is worthless. Are we living in the end times? I do think so. All the pieces I think are there but I don't think they are quite in place. However only God knows where the pieces belong. |
| Posted by: haynes9 13-Mar-2007, 09:25 AM |
| Definitely believe we are there, but I agree that making predictions is a waste of time. I try to live each day as if it were my last but plan as if I'll live to be 100! I think the thing of balance in the Christan life is really important. Listen for the Trumpet! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 16-Mar-2007, 06:38 PM |
| Here's another sign of the last days of Earth approaching. Boy things are getting more ripe for the anti-christ daily. I came across this and find it frightening but I rejoice because Christs time is drawing nearer. Tell me if this doesn't look familiar. I thought it could go here but maby it belongs in the Politics board. 1963 Communist Goals The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69). 1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war 2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war 3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength" 4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. 5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites 6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination 7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN. 8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN 9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress 10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN 11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo) 12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party 13) Do away with loyalty oaths 14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office 15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US 16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books. 18) Gain control of all student newspapers 19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack. 20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions. 21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures. 22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings", substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms. 23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art". 24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV. 26) Present Homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy". 27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch" 28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state" 29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis. 30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man". 31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture:" Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. 32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus. 34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI 36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions. 37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business 38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. 39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals. 40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. 41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems. 43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government. 44) Internationalize the Panama Canal. 45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Information: The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69). |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 31-Mar-2007, 05:55 PM |
| I was wondering if anyone saw Glenn Beck last night on CNNHL? He had Tim LeHaye and Jerry Jenkins. The Authors of the "Left Behind" series. It was interesting to see. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 31-Mar-2007, 07:05 PM | ||
Doesn't matter where you stick it -- we'll still find it and help you with your fact checking. This list was entered into the congressional record by Herlong, but it was taken from the book "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen. See quickie-Wiki bio: Willard Cleon Skousen (January 20, 1913 - January 9, 2006) was an author, political commentator, and religious scholar. He is most known as author of The Naked Communist and the source of the "1963 Communist Goals"[1] list. He later wrote a follow-up, The Naked Capitalist, based on Carroll Quigley's assertions made in his books Tragedy and Hope and The Anglo-American Establishment, which claim that top Western merchant bankers, industrialists and related institutions were behind the rise of Communism and Fascism around the world. The Naked Capitalist has been cited by many conspiracy theorists, including his nephew Joel Skousen, as proof of a "New World Order" strategy to create a One World Government. His ideas are similar to those of Senator Joseph McCarthy of the early 1950s . . . , and he has a loyal following among ultra-conservative conspiracy theorists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleon_Skousen Naked Communists AND Naked Capitalists -- doesn't seem like he was comfortable with anyone influential on the left or right, does it? Taken as a whole, this list sees, hears and smells Commies under the bed. That era of McCarthy witch-hunters, corresponding nicely with many years at the beginning of Herlong's congressional tenure, destroyed more innocent lives and reputations and invaded more civil liberties than will ever really be known. I would point out that, given their own backgrounds, both Herlong and Skousen would probably agree with you about the religious relevance of this political scare-mongering. That unbridled mix of the religious and the political, however, in terms of actual policy-making, is thankfully still off limits. You benefit from that restraint as much as anyone else, no matter how much confidence you have that you're all snug and safe on the right side of the ideological conflict. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 11-Apr-2007, 07:38 AM |
| I does sound like he didn't trust anyone on either side. But it doesn't dim the fact that it sure looks like we are very close to the end times. The Book of Revelation said there would be days like these. I've always been taught that scum is on both sides of the pond as well as very good things. I think just because you agree with someone doesn't mean you should trust them fully. Especially someone in an elite or influential position. |
| Posted by: John Clements 23-Oct-2007, 08:37 AM |
| I have a friend who believes that the “end times” has nothing to do with Christ’s return, and everything to do with finely learning the truth, about all things. The irony is…his name is Christian. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 23-Oct-2007, 10:38 AM | ||
Ironic is right. But learning of all truths isn't to far off from the end times either but I'll leave it there JC. I'll leave it to Haynes9 to explain it better. He seems to be the expert here. I think that is. Anyway, that is defiantly an interesting observation Christian made. defiantly one for an objective and or intellectual discussion. |
| Posted by: Robert Phoenix 24-Oct-2007, 02:55 PM |
| i believe I posted somewere before that one of the signs we Catholics look for in the end times is a mass conversion of Jews. With that being said, this article I came across today was interesting. Not so much about the note itself but what the rabbi told them about their meeting the Messiah and his appearance. http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=128&view=item&idx=1347 |
| Posted by: John Clements 25-Oct-2007, 08:51 AM | ||
Hi guys and girls, having read the article about the 108 year old rabbi. Who said that he spoke to the messiah in a vision, and then left a note to be opened after his death, which said that the messiahs name is Jesus, is all very interesting, but. When I saw the ad the end of the article, calling for subscribers for the publication: Israel Today, I couldn’t help but thing. There…you go…business…as…usual. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 25-Oct-2007, 01:59 PM |
| First of all, Yehoshua or "Joshua" is a pretty common Jewish name. And as a child I once knew asked very innocently -- "If Jesus was a Jew, how come he had a Mexican name?" Secondly -- if some radical Islamist put about that the signs of the victory of the faith would be a mass conversion of the Christians to Islam, and he thought he detected evidence of it, you yourself, RP, would blow a gasket -- either in indignation, or laughing. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 25-Oct-2007, 02:37 PM | ||
I'm sure you're the one laughing at this one. |
| Posted by: Robert Phoenix 13-Jul-2008, 02:13 PM |
| Interesting article-I wonder how much truth is in this and if this is the spark that sets everything off. U.N. scheme to make Christians criminals Sharia-following Islamic nations demanding anti-'defamation' law 12:00 am Eastern By Bob Unruh © 2008 WorldNetDaily Dozens of nations dominated by Islam are pressing the United Nations to adopt an anti-"defamation" plan that would make Christians criminals under international law, according to a United States organization that has launched a campaign to defend freedom of religion worldwide. "Around the world, Christians are being increasingly targeted, and even persecuted, for their religious beliefs. Now, one of the largest organizations in the United Nations is pushing to make a bad situation even worse by promoting anti-Christian bigotry," the American Center for Law & Justice said yesterday in announcing its petition drive. The discrimination is "wrapped in the guise of a U.N. resolution called 'Combating Defamation of Religions,'" the announcement said. "We must put an immediate end to this most recent, dangerous attack on faith that attempts to criminalize Christianity." The "anti-defamation" plan has been submitted to the U.N. repeatedly since about 1999, starting out as a plan to ban "defamation" of Islam and later changed to refer to "religions," officials said. It is being pushed by the 57-member Organization of the Islamic Conference nations, which has adopted the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights in Islam, "which states that all rights are subject to sharia law, and makes sharia law the only source of reference for human rights." The ACLJ petition, which is to be delivered to the United Nations High Commissioner on Human Rights, already had collected more than 23,000 names in just a brief online existence. The ACLJ's European division, the European Center for Law & Justice, also has launched its work on the issue. It submitted arguments last month to the U.N. in opposition to the proposal to institute sharia-based standards around the globe. "The position of the ECLJ in regards to the issue of 'defamation of religion' resolutions, as they have been introduced at the U.N. Human Rights Council and General Assembly, is that they are in direct violation of international law concerning the rights to freedom of religion and expression," the organization's brief said. "The 'defamation of religion' resolutions establish as the primary focus and concern the protection of ideas and religions generally, rather than protecting the rights of individuals to practice their religion, which is the chief purpose of international religious freedom law." "Furthermore, 'defamation of religion' replaces the existing objective criterion of limitations on speech where there is an intent to incite hatred or violence against religious believers with a subjective criterion that considers whether the religion or its believers feel offended by the speech," the group continued. Interestingly, in nations following Islam, the present practice is to use such laws to protect Islam and to attack religious minorities with penalties up to and including execution, the brief noted. "What should be most disconcerting to the international community is that laws based on the concept of 'defamation of religion' actually help to create a climate of violence," the argument explained. For example, just two months ago an Afghanistan court following Islam sentenced to death a 23-year-old apprentice journalist who had downloaded an article from an Iranian website and brought it to his class, the ECLJ said. Other instances include: Award-winning author Mark Steyn has been summoned to appear before two Canadian Human Rights Commissions of vague allegations of "subject[ing] Canadian Muslims to hatred and contempt" for comments in his book, "America Alone," the group said. In Pakistan, 15 people were accused of blasphemy against Islam during the first four months of 2008, the organization said. Another Pakistani man sentenced to life in prison for desecrating the Quran was jailed for six years before being acquitted of the charge. In Saudi Arabia a teacher was sentenced to three years in prison plus 300 lashes "for expressing his views in a classroom." In the United Kingdom, police announced plans to arrest a blogger for "anti-Muslim" statements. In the United States, a plaintiff sued his Internet service provider for refusing "to prevent participants in an online chat room from posting or submitting harassing comments that blasphemed and defamed plaintiff's Islamic religion." The ECLJ said, "The implementation of domestic laws to combat defamation of religion in many OIC countries reveals a selective and arbitrary enforcement toward religious minorities, who are often Christians. Those violations are frequently punishable by the death penalty." The newest "anti-defamation" plan was submitted in March. It specifically cites a declaration "adopted by the Islamic Conference of Foreign Ministers" at a meeting in Islamabad "which condemned the growing trend of Islamophobia and systematic discrimination against adherents of Islam." It also cites the dictates from the OIC meeting in Dakar, "in which the Organization expressed concern at the systematically negative stereotyping of Muslims and Islam and other divine religions." It goes on to cite a wide range of other practices that "target" Islam, but does not mention any other religions, and urges all nations to provide "adequate protection against acts of hatred, discrimination, intimidation and coercion resulting from the defamation of any religion." According to published reports, the U.N. Commission on Human Rights' 53 members voted to adopt the resolution earlier this year, with opposition from the United States and the European Union. At the time, Cuba's delegate, Rodolfo Reyes Rodriguez, said: "Islam has been the subject of very deep campaign of defamation." "They're attempting to pass a sinister resolution that is nothing more than blatant religious bigotry," the ACLJ said in its promotion of its petition. "This is very important to understand. This radical proposal would outlaw Christianity … it would make the proclamation of your faith an international crime." "In his recent dissent on the Supreme Court's ruling on Guantanamo Bay, Justice Scalia said, 'America is at war with radical Islamists.' Never has this rung more true than today. Never have Christians been more targeted for their religious beliefs. And never have we faced a more dangerous threat than the one posed by the OIC," the ACLJ said. On the Grizzly Groundswell blog, the author described the situation as, "The United Nations: 160 cannibals and 17 civilized people taking a majority vote on what to have for dinner." The U.S. State Department also has found the proposal unpalatable. "This resolution is incomplete inasmuch as it fails to address the situation of all religions," said the statement from Leonard Leo. "We believe that such inclusive language would have furthered the objective of promoting religious freedom. We also believe that any resolution on this topic must include mention of the need to change educational systems that promote hatred of other religions, as well as the problem of state-sponsored media that negatively targets any one religion." Here is the link for the article: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69163 |
| Posted by: monksplay1958 16-Aug-2008, 06:22 PM |
| Scary article, RP, but I am glad you posted it. Christians all over the world-including the US-are already being martyred for their faith. The UN resolution would just make it "legal". The book, "Jesus Freaks: Stories of Those Who Stood for Jesus, the Ultimate Jesus Freaks" by DC Talk and the voice of the martyrs is an eye opener. Here is an excerpt from the book from Amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1577780728/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link Yes! I believe that we are in the end times. But noone knows when Jesus will return. We all need to be ready. And, I feel such a sense of urgency for my unsaved family & friends to pray them & love them into the Kingdom NOW! Jesus words in the Gospel of Luke-chapter 17, verses 20-37-say it best: Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'Here it is', or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Then he said to his disciplies, "The time is coming when you will long to see one of the days of the Son of Man, but you will not see it. Men will tell you, 'There he is!', or 'Here he is!' Do not go running off after them. For the Son of Man in his day will be like the lightning, which flashes and lights up the sky from one end to the other. But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all. "It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. "It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. Remember Lot's wife! Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left." "Where, Lord?" they asked. He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather." |
| Posted by: Camac 16-Aug-2008, 07:36 PM | ||
I apologize but I must ask. Do you really believe this? |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 17-Aug-2008, 06:47 AM |
| I don't take every Christian at their word. But I've read parts of "Jesus Freaks: Stories of Those Who Stood for Jesus, the Ultimate Jesus Freaks" by DC Talk and the voice of the martyrs. I did believe it and yes it is an eye opener. |
| Posted by: Camac 17-Aug-2008, 07:31 AM |
| OK. |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 17-Aug-2008, 07:49 AM |
| I found an old book at my Nova Scotia home this summer. Didn't get a chance to read it. It belonged to my great Grandmother. It was called "Fox's book of martyrs". |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 17-Aug-2008, 07:35 PM | ||
Taking another look at this link now -- Israel Today is not a publication of, by or for Jews in Israel; it looks like one of those crypto-evangelical deals published by groups like Jews for Jesus (an annoying bunch if there ever was one). Pretty much renders the source (some little old very pious orthodox "rabbi") very suspect. |
| Posted by: monksplay1958 18-Aug-2008, 07:19 PM | ||||
Thank you, Nova Scotia. I have not heard of that one, but I'll check it out.
Camac, I don't believe everything I read, either, but these are documented cases. Also, DC Talk is made up of some very reputable Christian artists & I can't see them spoofing anyone. |
| Posted by: Patriot1776 27-Oct-2008, 09:03 AM | ||
Yep. From that verse, comes my belief that the sure sign Christ's day is near is when it becomes really hard to practice your Christian faith without fear of being killed or jailed ANYWHERE in the world, especially the United States. |
| Posted by: Robert Phoenix 27-Oct-2008, 09:53 PM |
| Its been getting worse recently especially in India. Hindu extremists have been slaughtering alot of the Protestant and Catholic priests, nuns, and lay people in convents and Christian communities. Some whole villiages have been destroyed. In fact there are more martyrs this last century than the whole of history. |
| Posted by: Patriot1776 30-Oct-2008, 07:28 AM |
| The Hindu extremists are doing that I'm sure because they know the masses of the lower castes, especially the 'untouchables', will flock en masse to Christ and their precious and cruel 'caste system' will be destroyed. The idea that God favors not the rich who oppress and kill the poor, but rather the oppressed and afflicted of the world, the very people they consider 'untouchable' and 'unclean', appalls them to their very soul and so they are doing what the Sanhedrin and Pharisees did to Stephen and so many other martyrs of the early Church. |
| Posted by: Robert Phoenix 30-Oct-2008, 08:08 PM |
| Iraq http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article5021028.ece Moscow http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0805499.htm India http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?id=16284 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/holy-war-strikes-india-955502.html http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=13526&size=A Iran http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/3179465/Hanged-for-being-a-Christian-in-Iran.html Yep, its been a rough month for Christians |