Fairness Docterine Coming Back, Stronger Than Ever We Will Know Soon

Unchecked printing of Marks and uncontrolled inflation put A. Hitler and the Nazi party in power. More recently, in Venezuela, rampant inflation has brought outcries against the Jewish community and probably caused the vote that has made it possible for H. Chavez to run for office in perpetuity.

It could happen here too. It would take a constitutional amendment but as J. Stalin said, " It is not those who vote that decide elections, it is those who count the votes!!"

Love your country but be very afraid of your government!

Slàinte,    

Patch    

The opposite of that statement is what keeps a government in line. The government (especially politicians) needs to be very afraid of its citizens! That is the ultimate purpose of the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and the reason the Left in this country (aided by their "sheeple" allies in the press and such organizations as the Brady Campaign) continues their efforts to curtail or abolish our right of self defense guaranteed by the Constitution!


"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject." Unknown

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

Hey Camac, thanks for the reply and thoughts. Please be assured that what I had said had no intent of trying to jab you specifically, as I was responding only to the point.

What I am all for is liberty and love, such as free-will charity; but I am very very guarded against a socialistic "do-gooder" government - especially one hell-bent on redressing perceived "wrongs" and "injustices" it thinks it sees.

Charity is like when my neighbors house is on fire (to use that analogy) that I willingly yield my water hose and myself to aid my neighbor in need. The socialism in government threatening over here is where my government forbids me to help my neighbor, because their organized bureacracy of 1st responders is alone qualified to handle it - and besides the government already confiscated my waterhose for its own "charitable" purposes, so I am left bereft to help even if I wanted to... This kind of insanity is what I am against, and there is plenty of examples of it being express by the "do-gooders" in our current congress of morons.

You also used a loaded phrase coined by our media "elite" over here, ie "the religious right", and I'm not sure want you meant by that. From my experience and viewpoint, it is the "religious wrong" that are causing a lot of mayhem... Many religious people do address social issues over here (sodomy, baby-killing, euthanasia, addictive drugs, prostitution, slavery, etc ) in the political arena on platforms of religious doctrine - which is really overboard. For logic, science, justice and common humanity can really resolve these issues correctly.

But the government here does not support any religion, nor can it. They do not take our taxes to support religions or religious institutions, nor is there any movement to require everyone to attend catechism class or take the Sacrament once a year... We just have a traditional government that wants to tax the hell out of us and so make us dependent on their discrimnatory "refunds" and "entitlements". But now they are threatening to take over private businesses... I say its high time for a gathering of the clans...

englishmix;
I see no intended jab but if there were I hope I am wise enough after all this time of accepting it with good humour. I rarely get upset over what people think or say of me or my ramblings.

If I may though I would like to zero in on the specific of "Religious Right' or perhaps the term Christian Coalition. It is my opinion that you Americans put way to much emphasis on "GOD" If a politician up here started spouting out about God and religion he would be chucked out damn quickly. If it was also discovered that if he was being unduly influenced by his religious beliefs in representing his constituents, , bye-bye. We just don't play the God card. It is, as the Germans say "Verboten" in politics. We don't have slogans such as "In God We Trust" nor do our politicians say "God Bless Canada" at the end of a speech. Damn quick way to end a political career. Religion belongs in the Churches, Synagogues, and Mosques not in Politics. Now with that stated I do have a moral code and strong beliefs in certain areas, I do not agree with abortion for abortion sake, in the case of rape or incest yes. I do believe that I should have the right to choose when and how I die. I also believe in mercy killing from a personal experience. I definitely do not agree with Censorship or the banning or burning of books. Been to much of that in the past and it's retarded the growth of the Human Spirit. Finally as to rampant Nationalization it doesn't work causes more headaches than what its worth.


Camac.

.....with the exception of Bush's faith based initiative which Obama wants to continue. That program takes tax dollars to support religious institutions, and however well intentioned the activities of those institutions are, the river of dollars still flows from our wallets through the channels of government and into their collection plates, and they're not turning it away out of any church and state separation principle. So anyone against such collaborations pays taxes to support a religious institution with no foreknowlege of what level of prosthelytising goes on in the process of providing social services. As far as principle goes, its a violation no amount of altruism alters, and to those who'd argue charitable good works trump principle, I'd remind you that taxpayer's involuntary support is not necessary for charitable viability. Its a straw man argument. Let charitable religious institutions support themselves by donations as they always have.

And the left wingers are not?

A person should be wary of any extremist view. Left or Right. I've yet to be outright shocked by a Liberal pundit, though. I've thought they were morons plenty of times, but never have they actually made me afraid. Maybe it's because the left uses the semblance of progressivism, even when they talk about progressing into something undesirable, where the right uses outright fear to sway the listener.

I'm with Camac. We need a little bit of both to create a well cultured and balanced society.

YES that's exactly what they're afraid of, the truth.
LEFTIES are the most hypocritical, intolerant bunch of so-called politically correct morons who somehow got control of OUR government. I know, I am married to a Lib and have a lot of 'former friends' who are liberals and think Obama and Pelosi and Reid are just great.
They are treasonous traitors to someone like me, a tenth generation American Scot whose ancestors fought in the War for Independence. Radical leftists like Obama have planned since the 60's to infiltrate our schools, take over our government. This PLAN for America as Rahm Emanuel calls it, has been long in the making.
There is talk nationwide of a new Revolution and I will not be surprised. Obama and his cabinet and Congress are dessicrating our Constitution and freedoms and what America was designed to be, according to the Founding Fathers.
Starting by silencing us.

I just got a chuckle from that. The Canadian spelling it the American way and the American spelling it the Canadian way (well, with regard to the 'z' and 's').

YES that's exactly what they're afraid of, the truth.
LEFTIES are the most hypocritical, intolerant bunch of so-called politically correct morons who somehow got control of OUR government. I know, I am married to a Lib and have a lot of 'former friends' who are liberals and think Obama and Pelosi and Reid are just great.
They are treasonous traitors to someone like me, a tenth generation American Scot whose ancestors fought in the War for Independence. Radical leftists like Obama have planned since the 60's to infiltrate our schools, take over our government. This PLAN for America as Rahm Emanuel calls it, has been long in the making.
There is talk nationwide of a new Revolution and I will not be surprised. Obama and his cabinet and Congress are dessicrating our Constitution and freedoms and what America was designed to be, according to the Founding Fathers.
Starting by silencing us.

Dude, there are a number of very level headed left leaning people on this board. You might want to stop calling us things like "hypocritical, intolerant, morons, treasonous traitors." You won't make many friends that way and you're epitomising the extremist conservatism that Camac was referring to in the first place.

And since you brought it up, do you think restrictions on citizens and the way they freely live their lives started with Obama? Is this the point where rights and freedoms began to change? If so, where have you been for the last better part of a decade? The four words "Matter of National Security" have negated human rights in the US and Canada more than any others I can think of. That goes for the insinuation from Patch that rapid inflation through the printing of money and thus the dilution of the US dollar started with Obama. You're taking two courses of action that were severely accelerated by the previous government and lay the blame on the new guy who inherited it.

oldraven; Look it up in A Canadian Dictionary it is Spelt NATIONALIZATION.


Camac.

#1 YOU called ME a troll on another post because I expressed My opinon about that ridiculous Obama song and the fact that too many people worship the man; My politics are NOT 'far right' but Constitutional. ALso you disputed my belief that Obama is a usurper of office of President-- he has refused, still, and despite myriad lawsuits, to show a real birth certificate, a passport, college records, medical records etc. There was an Agenda by the DNC to get him into office and the media colluded by assasinating the character of all his opponents.
YOU need to know that in addition to the 56 Million citizens who did NOT vote for him, there are many getting voters remorse now who did vote for him.
The media malpractice was an agenda, go to www.howobamagotelected.com and see what I mean.
#2 I am not here to necessarily make friends, I came here for the music, and I was referring to the Leftists who do intend to follow along with Obama to as he put it: "fundamentally transform America." YES I do consider that traitorous. Are you a socialist or are you a patriot when it comes to the founding principles of MY country?
#3 How can you compare what he is up to re the Fairness Doctrine with any rights lost by Americans as you put it, in the last ten years? You are kidding right? Since 9-11 thanks to Bush, we have NOT had another attack of the magnitude on US soil.
BUT BIDEN promised us something would 'happen' within six months of Obama taking office. WHAT the HELL does that mean exactly?
I have lost no rights whatsoever, until NOW that is. For the last 8 years I and my family have been doing fine, working, paying our bills. Now we face insane tax increases, paying the mortgages of losers, being censored, seeing our tax dollars pay for abortions here and worldwide. Etc.
Bottom line you call ME an extremist because I STAND by the Constitution and Limited Government? You have got to be kidding.

OK. I know the equally embarrassing Canadian English Dictionary is very Americanised, but since when did we adopt the 'z' in this instance? The word 'Nationalisation' is definitely the UK English spelling, but I found it spelled that way here as well. Damn I hate the Americanisation of our language. We have rules even in Canadian English, and the use of an 's' in cases like this is proper. Or at least I always thought it was. Is my literary world about to collapse?

http://dictionary.canadaspace.com/definiti...ationalisation/

Yes, I know. This is incredibly off topic.

oldraven

I just looked it up in my Oxford English Dictionary and they also spell it with a zed. Iknow what you mean about the Americanization of our language. Blame it on TV and Hollywood. Yeah this is off topic but what the Hey.


Camac.

I see the extreme left as passive aggressive and the extreme right as in your face. Either way both are trying to get their way. I am angry too with the way this country has gone forgetting the basic on which we were founded. I don't like the idea that there are a group of people in our government that think we are going to sit back and let them dictate what we listen to. If I don't want to listen to a liberal or a right winger I shouldn't be made to. I also don't think I should have to bail out every Tom, Dick and Harry because they made bad finical choices. Heck I've made my mistakes and I have had to crawl out of them. No one gave me a hand out. My gosh we are the United States of America we are the results of failure and success and I like that. If I wanted a womb to the tomb society I'd live in one. Less government interference is better. Our government thinks that they can fix the broken finance? HA, look at what they have done to our Social Security system.

#1 YOU called ME a troll on another post because I expressed My opinon about that ridiculous Obama song and the fact that too many people worship the man; My politics are NOT 'far right' but Constitutional. ALso you disputed my belief that Obama is a usurper of office of President-- he has refused, still, and despite myriad lawsuits, to show a real birth certificate, a passport, college records, medical records etc. There was an Agenda by the DNC to get him into office and the media colluded by assasinating the character of all his opponents.
YOU need to know that in addition to the 56 Million citizens who did NOT vote for him, there are many getting voters remorse now who did vote for him.
The media malpractice was an agenda, go to www.howobamagotelected.com and see what I mean.
#2 I am not here to necessarily make friends, I came here for the music, and I was referring to the Leftists who do intend to follow along with Obama to as he put it: "fundamentally transform America." YES I do consider that traitorous. Are you a socialist or are you a patriot when it comes to the founding principles of MY country?
#3 How can you compare what he is up to re the Fairness Doctrine with any rights lost by Americans as you put it, in the last ten years? You are kidding right? Since 9-11 thanks to Bush, we have NOT had another attack of the magnitude on US soil.
BUT BIDEN promised us something would 'happen' within six months of Obama taking office. WHAT the HELL does that mean exactly?
I have lost no rights whatsoever, until NOW that is. For the last 8 years I and my family have been doing fine, working, paying our bills. Now we face insane tax increases, paying the mortgages of losers, being censored, seeing our tax dollars pay for abortions here and worldwide. Etc.
Bottom line you call ME an extremist because I STAND by the Constitution and Limited Government? You have got to be kidding.

OK, calling someone a troll on a message board has a different meaning than you might think. It's not a personal insult. I'm not saying you look or act like an actual troll in the fantastical sense. It means someone who enters a forum or posts for the chief purpose of causing trouble. Filling your first five posts with broad insults to many of the established members here puts you right in the sweet spot of that definition. We all have fairly differing views on this board, and especially here in the politics forum, yet we do our best to keep our posts clean and avoid making personal attacks. When you join a message board, the best thing you can do is lurk for awhile to see what kind of people you're talking to and how they converse. You came barrelling in with guns blazing and are surprised that struck a chord?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_troll

And to prove the point that we avoid taking things to the personal level here, I'll offer my apology for the mixup on the use of the term troll. I should remember that these terms aren't known by everyone on the net. There was a time where even the moderators here were calling themselves trolls, which was not a good thing. I think once they realised what that meant they let the moniker drop.

As for the rest, I addressed much of that in the other thread. He's not a usurper.