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Posted by: TheCarolinaScotsman 07-Jul-2005, 06:36 AM
Although the news is sketchy at this time, it is clear that there has been a series of terrorist bombings this morning aimed at the London commuter system, several explosions on the subway and at least one bus blown up.

I wish to extend my condolences to the victims and their families and friends. Know that you have our deepest sympathies. And to the people of Great Britain, know that we stand ready, willing and able to assist in any way that is needed.

Posted by: Viriato 07-Jul-2005, 07:21 AM
Ta brother...

Al-Qaida has just revindicate the action.

Has been a horrible morning for me. My son's mobile phone was a dead line but it was because practically all the communications went off and the nets are absolutely blocked.

In the end I did manage to talk to him and he is all right.

4 Underground stations and a bus has been targeted within the financial area of London. The news are a bit confused at the moment but the last report talks about 90 dead and a lot of seriously injured.

I think that at least we need to wait a couple of hours until they get full control of the situation.

It was expected long time ago but even so it is shocking. And London is not the best place to have this kind of situation with its narrow streets, old transport system and overcrowded place.

All trains to London have been suspended and so some highways and roads.

And your boss and our boss said that removing Saddam will make the world a better and safest place. That was the problem, they didn't say "The Earth". So let's go to move to the Moon...

Only one of the stations is not in the financial district but in the rich Arabic area of London: Edgward Road. They are punishing their own people for they luck of support.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/portal/main.jhtml;jsessionid=0GECGILYPZFEXQFIQMFCM5OAVCBQYJVC?view=HOME&grid=P13&menuId=-1&menuItemId=-1&_requestid=82153


Posted by: Viriato 07-Jul-2005, 07:27 AM
Yes... the link fails a lot because the newspaper site is also practically jammed.

Keep trying and it will open eventually.

Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Jul-2005, 09:30 AM
To our British friends --

I am so, so sorry and horrified this has happened to you. I was so very happy for you just yesterday about bringing home the Olympic venue triumph -- ironically, partly because I didn't really want it here in New York for a variety of reasons -- but this sudden turnaround in all your spirits, added to the fear, anger, confusion, destruction, and loss of life, must be very hard.

I know I'm not the only one in New York today wishing you the best possible recovery from this terrible turn of events. We are all talking about it here and processing it in our own ways -- but personally I am somewhere between rage, nausea, and deep sorrow.

The courage and resilience you folks are famous for is already making itself known, I know. But I wish with all my heart that it wasn't necessary.

Posted by: Shamalama 07-Jul-2005, 10:23 AM
My prayers are with the people of London, to the families of those that were injuried or killed, and to all of England. New York, Madrid, and now London.

I feel so hopeless here where I sit. I wish I could be there to lend whatever aid I could.

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Those who prey on innocents garner no sympathies from me for whatever rage can be exacted opon them. To attack the military, or a government, is one thing. But today's events, done during morning rush hour and designed for maximum human devastation, are malicious, nefarious, savage - evil. These actions have absolutely no place in a civilized world. I cannot fathom how any person, ideology, or faith could condone such acts.

Posted by: Emmet 07-Jul-2005, 10:33 AM
Deep peace and healing to the victims and their loved ones, and threefold death and destruction to the cowards responsible for inflicting such vicious, brutal, and thoroughly pointless suffering.

Posted by: Monarchs Own 07-Jul-2005, 12:16 PM
My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families, as well as all the soldiers which are trying to get the situation overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan and everywhere else under control - no matter from which country.


Posted by: WhiteSoxFan 07-Jul-2005, 01:00 PM
My heartfelt sympathies and condolences to victims and their loved ones.

Brother Shamalama, you forgot one: Bali, which was targeted because it is a popular vacation spot for Australians, who've supported the war on terrorism.

Posted by: Celticpride 07-Jul-2005, 01:14 PM
Deep heartfelt sympathy and support to all our family and friends in London and to our brothers & Sisters in England.

The acts of cowards and those who support and sympathize with them will find ruin on the Rocks of our resolve to bring an end to their murderous evil ways.

Damned in the Eyes of humanity

Damned in the Eyes of God.

Posted by: Siarls 07-Jul-2005, 01:38 PM
As a British citizen, I am horrified by what has happened to our capital and the consequences on our United nation.

As a Welshman, I am angry for what has happened to our neighbours and our sister nation.

As a former University of London student, I feel for the people of London and worry about my friends (just been on the phone to my friend Emefa for 2 hours who lives at London Bridge and could constantly hear sirens in the background).

As a human being, I am disgusted by these atrocities.

Posted by: Nightchild 07-Jul-2005, 01:54 PM
I also want to tell how sorry I feel for those horrible things to happen.
Once again there were people killed and injured who had nothing to do with whatever those terrorist thought was reason enough to commit those attacks.
My thoughts are with those who were harmed, be it physical by actually being killed or injured or be it psychical by having someone dear hurt or lost.

I repeat what I already said back then, almost 4 years ago: I just can't imagine what makes people kill so many others, not by accident but willingly. I do not understand. And I can't prevent any of those things. We all stand somehow lost and sad.

But I hope. I do hope that there will be a time when things like that won't happen any longer. I hope that there will be a time when there will finally be peace and people won't murder others for whatever reasons, because there just are no reasons that are reasons, real reasons, for cruelty like that.

Whatever god, goddess or other higher power you might believe in, may they be with you and with everyone in and around London and everyone whose thoughts are with the victims, their families and London.

Posted by: Siobhan Blues 07-Jul-2005, 01:58 PM
Siarls!
I am so glad your friend is okay - oh this news has upset me so much, I just learned about it and am so upset. London is one of my favorite cities, and England is where I left my heart, and this grieves me as if it was in my own city... I found a map on MSN showing where the Tube bombs were and they weren't far from where I'd been on my visit to London - all I can think about are how much I enjoyed using the Underground, how charming it seemed to this Southern girl who knows nothing but the isolation of car transportation... I still remember watching the other passengers on the train, noting how they were of all ages and seemed reserved, but when the need arose were so polite & kind to this 'foreigner'...

Keep us informed, I hope no one else here has had loved ones injured...

Siobhan

Posted by: Siarls 07-Jul-2005, 03:07 PM
I was supposed to be travelling to London tomorrow morning in fact at 8.30, meaning that if the attacks had happened tomorrow at the same time - my friend and I would have been stranded in England as all train services were disrupted badly. The trip has been postponed although as of tomorrow all train services to London Paddington should be normal, despite Paddington being the first station after/before Edgware Road (depending on your direction). It's amazing how quickly London is back on its feet.

I still have one friend to hear from, otherwise all my beloved friends are safe, as are their families and friends. I'm sure my friend Marcos is safe because he is party animal student - there'd be no reason for him to be up so early!!!! I hope.

Posted by: CelticRose 07-Jul-2005, 03:34 PM
To all our British friends here on CR, I am very grateful to hear that you and your loved ones are safe and well. I have heard from three of my English friends and they are fine, although one missed the explosion by just mere minutes! I am still awaiting to hear from three others. This has had me very upset as well. Know that people all over the world are praying for your country at this very difficult time. May God bless, comfort and keep you all safe. Keep us posted on your family and friends.

Posted by: Aaediwen 07-Jul-2005, 04:30 PM
This is, indeed a sad series of events. May the resillience of London and its people shine through this travesty.

Posted by: Ceciliastar1 07-Jul-2005, 05:23 PM
Dearest England! I cannot believe that you have gone through this horrible thing. I have been to london and I love that wonderful city. I am so sorry that you are suffering so. We know how it feels. And believe we will not stop until these horrible cowardly crimes towards humanity are ended be it through financial support, or military action. Humanity is sick of all of this. It is time for it to end!
God Bless you England. We love you and support you!

Posted by: Nancy-Raven 07-Jul-2005, 09:55 PM
I'm like Nightchild.I don't understand what can push soemone to do so horrible things like that,killing and hurting people for a cause they think is right.Acting like this have nothing right.Until an action will be done to stop this crazy people, we will live in fear of something else.

Posted by: Castlegrrl 07-Jul-2005, 09:58 PM
I too have been waiting to hear from beloved studets from our university who are studying in London. We heard that they were close to one of the sites near the underground but no one was hurt and were able to get away from the area before it got chaotic.
My heart aches so for the people of London and all who are suffering. I am a praying woman and have been since I heard early this morning.
I am glad those here in on CR in the UK and with friends and family there have no sad news to share, unless I missed a post. If so I'm sorry.
Peace, healing and grace to all . . .
Castlegrrl

Posted by: maggiemahone1 07-Jul-2005, 10:01 PM
What a very sad day! My heart and prayers go out to England and the heartaches they must be going thru. I watched this on the news today and truly it was a heartbreaker. Where will this happen next? Will it ever end?

maggiemahone1

Posted by: Siarls 08-Jul-2005, 09:48 AM
Although I have to say that Wales and Scotland are also suffering. All my friends here are as devastated as the English. It's amazing how in times of pressure, the United Kingdom really is United.

Posted by: Haldur 08-Jul-2005, 11:05 AM
It is indeed horrific what has transpired in London...but no surprise. I think the world's changing in a bad way. It's getting pretty bad when you can't trust taking a train or an airplane without the thought of someone bringing a bomb along.

Posted by: Viriato 09-Jul-2005, 04:58 AM
If these b***ards thought that with a couple fireworks could terrorize the Londoners and the Brits, they ought to be joking. They did pick up the wrong city and the wrong people.

All I can see around me is more strength than ever. These people is really remarkable.

It has to be born jet the Earthly power that can kneel this nation. If they are thinking that this action is going to change the British way of life then they must be living in a fantasy world. They are dreaming.

You have the best two ally that you can find in this planet: Brits and Aussies.

Aussies has been too always very generous in giving their blood to fight for freedom and justice shoulder to shoulder with you and the Brits. And they have been badly hit in Bali too.


Posted by: Viriato 10-Jul-2005, 02:38 AM
Unfortunately the nightmare -specially for those that are still looking for missing ones- is not over yet.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/09/international/i150837D66.DTL

Posted by: Aaediwen 10-Jul-2005, 11:33 AM
Wonder what would happen if you managed to get the general populous of all three countries actually fighting for something we all believe in (UK, USA, and Australia)... The general populous shows a lot of strength to heal when attacked.

Posted by: Annabelle 10-Jul-2005, 08:56 PM
These terrorist have no reguard for life!!!!


Posted by: Shamalama 11-Jul-2005, 09:07 AM
I cannot understand a faith where death is a goal. These sub-humans have mutated Islam to THEIR wishes, and THEIR politics.

As much as I pray for London and all of the United Kingdom, I also pray for a revelation in the minds of those that desire death and destruction that they may know peace and grace.



Posted by: Siobhan Blues 11-Jul-2005, 11:56 AM
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And now Birmingham has been evacuated, don't know the full story about that one yet but I hope its not been another terrorist attack!

SB

Posted by: OBH 11-Jul-2005, 05:08 PM
I haven't heard any outcry from the mainstream Muslim leaders in the UK or the US condemning these terrorist acts. A couple of times, I saw Muslim spokesmen cornered in interviews condemning them but silence from the mosques in both countries is deafening. That's some religion of peace. mad.gif

Posted by: stoirmeil 11-Jul-2005, 08:05 PM
QUOTE (OBH @ 11-Jul-2005, 07:08 PM)
I haven't heard any outcry from the mainstream Muslim leaders in the UK or the US condemning these terrorist acts. A couple of times, I saw Muslim spokesmen cornered in interviews condemning them but silence from the mosques in both countries is deafening. That's some religion of peace. mad.gif

Oh, I don't know. Isn't that a case of "Damned if you do or damned if you don't?" I don't think they have to make statements as if they were a unitary block that is defined mostly by not being one of the extreme fringe. Have we needed a mass denunciation from all Irish Catholics every time the IRA has done some violent thing?

Posted by: OBH 12-Jul-2005, 06:14 AM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Jul-2005, 10:05 PM)
Oh, I don't know. Isn't that a case of "Damned if you do or damned if you don't?" I don't think they have to make statements as if they were a unitary block that is defined mostly by not being one of the extreme fringe. Have we needed a mass denunciation from all Irish Catholics every time the IRA has done some violent thing?

I guess you're right, but it seems the Bahrainis are taking the lead in disassociating themselves from the acts of the terrorists.
http://chanad.weblogs.us/?p=396

Posted by: stoirmeil 12-Jul-2005, 12:06 PM
QUOTE (OBH @ 12-Jul-2005, 08:14 AM)
I guess you're right, but it seems the Bahrainis are taking the lead in disassociating themselves from the acts of the terrorists.
http://chanad.weblogs.us/?p=396

You're right. These are very moving photos and statements. The little kids lighting candles give me very mixed feelings -- children and light together are the image of hope in the future, but still, how unsettling that they are participating in such a thing so young. I do hope that the main impulse for these people is to show solidarity and also to show their sadness and sense of outrage, but NOT because they feel they have to, out of fear of evil regard or retaliation that may fall on them undeservedly.


Posted by: Castlegrrl 12-Jul-2005, 12:35 PM
I too was moved to tears to see men, women and children holding signs saying "I am not afraid" and "We are not afraid" collectively as a people! Our wishes and prayers here, not only on this list but world wide are that we could raise our children and live without fear of evil and hatred destroying our peace. I can't tell the rest of the world - but I can tell you - my new friends here at CR, that I pray you sleep peacefully at night with no fear and have love and peace overflowing; that you prosper and have good health.


Posted by: Viriato 12-Jul-2005, 03:36 PM
Birmingham fortunately was a false alarm. A car belonging to a well know muslim troublemaker was left in the middle of the town and the police did blew it up.

Has been several more evacuations from discos and public places. The security is now very, very tight and from tomorrow the police is allowed to stop and search at random as they please without giving an explanation.

The last news this afternoon is that the bombers have been identified and there is underway a man hunt. They were identified after hours of watching the CCTV videos. They are well know by the intelligence services.

The one in the bus was on it and it is dead. The others could be also still in the tunnel (dead) or could be some of the unidentified bodies but the police thinks that it is more likely that they are in the run.

Police has raid a house in Leeds and there are several arrests.

The account is now in 52 but the police says that is likely to be more than 100.

Posted by: stoirmeil 12-Jul-2005, 07:11 PM
QUOTE (Viriato @ 12-Jul-2005, 05:36 PM)
Birmingham fortunately was a false alarm. A car belonging to a well know muslim troublemaker was left in the middle of the town and the police did blew it up.


Good God. Is that the usual procedure?

Posted by: Viriato 13-Jul-2005, 03:14 AM
Yup... Has been like that since the IRA bombings in London in the 90s.

Abandoned cars, bagagge, bags, briefcases, etc... result in the area being evacuated and the suspicious object being blew up. Not public risks taken. There are enough warnings in everywhere telling you to look after your belongings an do not left anything behind. There are also constant reminds through the megaphony system about this in the stations and at any train stop (the driver does). So...

That's why they resort know to suicide bombings, because the public reports inmediately any unattended package.

Police have just reported that all the bombers are dead and that all were British muslims. Names and pictures have been made public. Their links are being investigated and there are already a lot of arrests.

As someone said in this Forum: They can run but they have no place to hide. It is a matter of time.

Posted by: Viriato 13-Jul-2005, 04:04 AM
Last news...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4677601.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4677603.stm

As you can read we are waiting for more of the same any time...

Posted by: Viriato 13-Jul-2005, 04:58 AM
I am getting fed up about this "political correctness"... They were of Pakistani origin.

They were "Pakis", yes "Pakis"... What? Fed up...

In a suddeen all the muslim leaders are issuing statements of condemnation... 6 DAYS LATER... They are feeling the heat... They are s**ting themselves. They should be...

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They were suicide bombers . . . and they were British
By John Steele, Paul Stokes and Ben Fenton
(Filed: 13/07/2005)

Four suicide bombers, at least three of them British, were responsible for the explosions that killed more than 50 people in London, senior security sources said last night.

The three were all thought to be of Pakistani ethnic origin and said by neighbours to have lived modest suburban lives in West Yorkshire.


Police stand guard over a house in Colwyn Road, Beeston, as a forensic officer removes evidence

One has yet to be identified, while the others were not known to police or the intelligence services as terrorist suspects.

One was the son of a fish and chip shop owner. Another was only 18 years old and was reported missing by his worried parents at 10pm on the day of the bombings.

Police said the bombers made a rendezvous somewhere outside London last Thursday morning, travelled together to King's Cross Thameslink station wearing large military-style rucksacks containing 10lb high-explosive bombs and split up to attack their assigned targets.

Three of the attackers were said to be from the Leeds area and were identified locally as British-born men.

The revelations realised the worst fears of police and the Muslim community. It confirmed the men as western Europe's first suicide bombers and the first Britons to attack their own countrymen with explosives since the ceasefire in Northern Ireland.



Early yesterday, police raided six addresses in West Yorkshire, discovered what is thought to be a bomb factory and arrested a man.

Three raids were on the homes of three of the four men police believe were responsible for the bombs in Tube trains near Liverpool Street, Edgware Road and King's Cross Underground stations at 8.50am last Thursday and on a bus in Tavistock Square almost an hour later.

Neighbours identified the bomber reported missing by his family as Hasib Hussain, of Holbeck, Leeds. Police say he died on the bus.

Detectives were examining the possibility that he either panicked or changed his mind over the suicide mission and carried his bomb on to the bus. It might have gone off accidentally or he could have set it off, perhaps after being challenged by passengers.

The Liverpool Street bomber is believed to have been Shehzad Tanweer, 22, the son of Mohammed Mumtaz Tanweer, a fish and chip shop owner in Beeston, Leeds.

Friends said Shehzad Tanweer was a keen cricketer and "a good Muslim" and expressed disbelief that he could have been involved in England's worst terrorist attack.

The disclosure that the bombs were the work of domestic rather than foreign extremists came from Peter Clarke, the Metropolitan Police deputy assistant commissioner.

He said: "We have identified CCTV footage showing the four men at King's Cross shortly before 8.30am.

"One, who set out from West Yorkshire was reported missing by his family shortly after 10pm on Thursday. We have now established that he was joined on his journey to London by three other men.

"We have since found personal documents bearing the names of three of those four men close to the seats of three of the explosions.

"As regards the man who was reported missing, some of his property was found on the Route 30 bus in Tavistock Square."

Survivors of that blast said they saw a man with olive skin searching agitatedly through a rucksack moments before a bomb went off.

Mr Clarke said: "Property in the name of a second man was found at the scene of the Liverpool Street bomb. In relation to a third man, property in his name was found at the scene of both the Liverpool Street and the Edgware Road bombs. We also have very strong forensic and other evidence that it is very likely one of the men from West Yorkshire died in the explosion at Liverpool Street."

Sources said the police were almost certain that scientific evidence would confirm that all the men seen on CCTV at King's Cross died in the separate blasts.

The investigation is likely to raise tension in multiracial communities, especially in West Yorkshire. Calling for calm, Assistant Commissioner Andy Hayman, of Scotland Yard, said: "No one should be in any doubt the work last Thursday is that of extremists and criminals. So, no one should smear or stigmatise any community with these acts."

Sir Ian said yesterday's operation, involving armed police and Army bomb disposal specialists, was intelligence-based and "directly connected" to last week's blasts.

A controlled explosion was carried out near Leeds Grand Mosque, houses were searched in nearby Dewsbury, and police evacuated Luton railway station, carrying out explosions to recover two cars - one containing explosives - possibly linked to the attacks.
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Posted by: Shamalama 13-Jul-2005, 06:48 AM
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LONDON ? In Saleem Ali's world, it's all quite simple: The Jews control the global economy. The Americans are murderous thugs. And the British government was behind Thursday's attacks here.

Prime Minister Tony Blair ordered it, Ali said in an interview, for the same reason President Bush orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001, carnage: "To cause panic among the public so that people will hate Muslims."

Welcome to Bethnal Green, a heavily Muslim neighborhood just a few subway stops away from the heart of tourist London. Hardly wild-eyed, Ali, 30, a shopkeeper, spoke with measured eloquence. He stood next to his younger brother and four friends, each of whom echoed his sentiments in tones so lighthearted that a reporter repeatedly asked whether they were joking. Not at all, they said as they excoriated the West and praised al-Qaida.

"Obviously the media is saying that Muslims did it, but I think it was a conspiracy by Tony Blair and George Bush," said Olle Rahaman, 32, a husband and father who, like the other men, was born in London of Bangladeshi parents. "An excuse to say, 'Let's go kick some ass.' "

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002371705_lonmuslims10.html


Posted by: Siobhan Blues 13-Jul-2005, 02:22 PM
Hey, thanks for all this information. I really appreciate it! Keep us informed...

SB

Posted by: Viriato 13-Jul-2005, 03:16 PM

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Ta Shamalama. It is good that you did post that because THAT is what all of them really think.

Bethnal Green, Brick Lane, Clapham Common and Finchley is where all these fanatics are.

Bangladesh and Pakistan: All ex-Indians. All pakis anyway...

I did my best to understand them and so I lived with a community of Algerians in Clapham Common for a while. N.o.t a .c.h.a.n.c.e... They are thick like bricks. In the end they told me to leave because the Iman couldn't control any longer the younger and I was being too offensive and blaspheme. What they did expect? The damn iman spit on me that they could not allow to any muslim being arrested for ***** a non muslim woman because all the European women where ****. My mother is European... So without thinking what I was saying in the middle of a rush of rage I did respond that only ***** I knew was the ****************. It was the closest I've ever seen dead... Because I was invited they couldn't touch me but they gave me 30 min. to leave Clapham Common and after that they would start looking for me... I didn't know that I could run that much... laugh.gif I had 29 min to spare... laugh.gif

And then it was when I did move to Hastings... tongue.gif

According with them I was evil. (Well... I know some ladies that would agree with them but for different reasons... biggrin.gif ).

This is war and not just with Al-Qaeda. I wouldn't let any of them put they arm over my shoulders unless I can see what is doing with the other hand.

Posted by: j Padraig moore 13-Jul-2005, 06:44 PM
QUOTE (Shamalama @ 11-Jul-2005, 11:07 AM)

As much as I pray for London and all of the United Kingdom, I also pray for a revelation in the minds of those that desire death and destruction that they may know peace and grace.

Amen!

Posted by: CelticCoalition 14-Jul-2005, 10:37 PM
It is horrible that people have been killed thhrough terrorist acts in the past. What is more horrible is that these acts continue to occur.

It is nice to hope that one day war and terror might end. However, until humanity learns from the past these events will continue.

Myy thoughts are with you, London, during this difficult time.

Posted by: Emmet 15-Jul-2005, 10:58 AM
Since the bombing, there have been over 100 revenge attacks against Muslims in England, including a Pakistani immigrant beaten to death in Nottingham, and firebombings of Muslim homes and mosques in Croydon, Leeds, Bradford, and Norwich. I'm willing to bet that nary a one of those beaten, bombed, assaulted and terrorized are Al Queda or in any way related to or responsible for the attack in London. It's truly disheartening that so many people exploit such an already senseless and awful tragic event as an excuse to act out on their own petty racism, ignorance, and prejudice. While people are understandably angry, some of the posts on this and other related threads have approached the level of hate speech. Personally, I think that Britons and Americans are far better than that, and we have a collective responsability to refute the profound stupidity of the small but very vocal minority that fuels the blind random violence on both sides, not incite it.

Posted by: Viriato 15-Jul-2005, 07:35 PM
Yes Emmet, but is the BNP (British National Party) who already stirred troubled before by beating up Pakistanies which gave origin to the riots in Odham.

They are as bad as the terrorists. When living in Feltham, next the the Heathrow Airport I've got avery single day for two years a BNP sticker in my front door "Foreigners go home". I kept taking out every morning going to work but was back when I did come back from work. And I was living next to the Feltham Police Station. I did report a lot of times the thing but they did nothing and there are CCTV all around of the Police Station so is more than sure that they have them in the tape.


Posted by: stoirmeil 20-Jul-2005, 12:07 PM
I'm not succeeding in relating the two things being compared in the previous two posts here, in terms of justification. There is no justification, as far as I can tell, for either the hate- or bigotry-related abuses Viriato describes, or in the reprisals that target an uninvolved, generalized and sterotypically defined "out-group", as Emmet is pointing out.

To be fair, while I don't accept a sequence of events as an excuse or justification, it does sometimes go toward explaining what happened, given the often irrational motivating forces humans are subject to. You can't depend on assessing human behaviour with logic; we just don't run on algorithms even in relatively unemotional situations. So there is a difference between an excuse and an explanation. The explanation can help you figure out WHY, which gives you a hook into some kind of prevention strategy, without justifying a repetition in any way. So if you say "B did this because A did that first," as an explanation, we can work with that. But NEVER as a justification.

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