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Posted: 20-Mar-2006, 11:11 AM
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How many of you have them...? Do you turn your nose up at them...? How are you treated if you have them...? Just thought I'd get everyone's opinions...

FM, if this isn't the place for this, let me know and I'll move it along...


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Posted: 20-Mar-2006, 04:44 PM
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How would you define "Mixed Beliefs", SDF? Sorry to sound stupid but I'm just not sure what you mean exactly... unsure.gif


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Posted: 20-Mar-2006, 05:59 PM
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Christian with pagan leanings... pagan with christian leaning... muslim with druidic leanings... wiccan with Buddhist leanings... Something like that...

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Posted: 20-Mar-2006, 06:04 PM
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like white magic and the white christ??


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Posted: 20-Mar-2006, 06:17 PM
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If you hold any belief in a diety either christian, muslim, jewish, what have you ; you hold mixed beliefs. All religions have things in common that go back to man's beginings and the dawn of inteligent thought and question...

As for your question SDF....

I hold no ones beliefs against them and hold no malice if one customizes one's beliefs to fit the world as they see it as long as they believe that is what the truth is and they do not try to make me believe as they do...

I am a firm believer that faith., religion, beliefs are between a person and their god or gods and no person can say they are wrong.


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I believe in it, and the closest description or label for my beliefs, I believe would be "Pagan Christian". Typically I'll stick with Spiritual, but not religous. But if you really want a name for it, there you go wink.gif


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Posted: 20-Mar-2006, 10:28 PM
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I would say that my beliefs are mixed in that I believe all religions are just as likely in the grand scheme of things. I also believe that all religions are just different ways of describing the same phenomenon, and are all probably correct in some way. For example, demons exist in many different religions, and yet are described in different ways based on cultural. I believe that demons in japan, or europe, or africa might either be different demons or are simply described different based on culture.

I also take a lot of ideas from different beliefs, religions...etc that I have studied over the years.

A lot of times I've been treated as a fool by those who have dedicated themselves to a certain religion. Either that or as a naive child who needs to be taught the true path.


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Mixed beliefs exist and whether they admit or notice it or not, most of the people I know have them, maybe except of some true "hardliners" (sounds more nicely than fanatics, I think).
Not a surprising fact to me if you consider how many things religions, as different as they might be, have in common, too. Like Shadows and CelticCoalltion have said before, and I agree with them at this point.
Religions need a name. Belief/Faith doesn't. So this is where the criteriums of "mixed" probably don't count any more. Simply because of the fact that to my mind and experience, our Creator, no matter by which name you call him or even if you have no name at all, wants us to believe in the way we are able to and EXPERIENCE spirituality. This makes it an absolutely personal and individual subject, no?

I have no problem with anyone else's belief as long as it is zheir true, heartfelt and honest one. Tolerance is the magic word and one of the basics to live along.

I rarely experience the same tolerance if it comes to my own belief. I have been called or labelled a lot. I haven't been taken for serious, as someone who had lost the "right" path and has to be leaded back to it. Oh well, if they only knew ...
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I've been curious. Do any spiritual beliefs believe in Christ as the Son of God and Saviour or is that belief a watershed, the division between spirituality and religion?


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QUOTE (CelticCoalition @ 20-Mar-2006, 10:28 PM)

A lot of times I've been treated as a fool by those who have dedicated themselves to a certain religion.  Either that or as a naive child who needs to be taught the true path.

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Yeah. Or those people who smile tolerantly say "Oh, you're a SEEKER."

I'm glad this conversation opened up. I wasn't sure what ShadowDarkFyre meant at first either. I think I meet the description. I was raised Anglican, but not with much family enthusiam, although I got most of my very good early musical training from years of junior and then adult church choir participation, usually without the family there at all. The theology is right out there in all the liturgy and music, and it did not ever move me spiritually, though I understood it in theory very well: not Trinity, not transubstantiation, not any of it. Too overworked and overintellectualized. I "seeked" around quite a bit, including a long and somewhat harrowing adventure with extremely orthodox Judaism. Some years back, I finally noticed what was always there: I'm a natural pantheist, and the problem I was always having was tying my strong urge toward prayer, which wants to be spontaneous and is close to an altered state in its purest form (always in the face of natural splendor), to any kind of traditional liturgy. What I wanted without knowing it for the longest time was the surge in the solar plexus of the first hominid that walked out of his cave with enough neocortex to see the sunrise and say "AHHHHHHH!!!!", in wonder, a bit of fear, and an intense attraction to the mystery and the power of it. (As high-verbal as I am -- ironically or maybe because of it -- language only gets in the way for me. It's too limiting.) It's hard to get back there to that whole-cloth simplicity. On those occasions when I do get close to that, it's the purest praise I know of to offer.

Now that I know that, I understand myself much better. It's a relief, I must say. I still have close emotional ties to certain aspects of the church of my youth, especially around high musical seasons (and most of all Christmas) -- I never fail to hear lessons and carols on Christmas Eve. (If you've ever been a child in a good church choir, you know the sense of intensive preparation and excitement that special Christmas services with lots of different music can bring.) I have the deepest respect for those whose faith sustains them, no matter what it is -- I've seen people bear things I don't think I could, with only that between them and despair. I'm in awe of that in its own right, frankly. I think it may be as much a natural wonder as anything else.
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Posted: 21-Mar-2006, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE (sisterknight @ 21-Mar-2006, 12:04 AM)
like white magic and the white christ??



Like whatever you believe in...

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QUOTE (Shadows @ 21-Mar-2006, 12:17 AM)
If you hold any belief in a diety either christian, muslim, jewish, what have you ; you hold mixed beliefs. All religions have things in common that go back to man's beginings and the dawn of inteligent thought and question...

As for your question SDF....

I hold no ones beliefs against them and hold no malice if one customizes one's beliefs to fit the world as they see it as long as they believe that is what the truth is and they do not try to make me believe as they do...

I am a firm believer that faith., religion, beliefs are between a person and their god or gods and no person can say they are wrong.



I know all that... That in itself is common knowledge...

Just asked if you had any...

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Posted: 21-Mar-2006, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE (Aaediwen @ 21-Mar-2006, 12:21 AM)
I believe in it, and the closest description or label for my beliefs, I believe would be "Pagan Christian". Typically I'll stick with Spiritual, but not religous. But if you really want a name for it, there you go wink.gif



I'm pretty much along those lines, myself... Me and many in my family...

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Posted: 21-Mar-2006, 11:15 AM
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QUOTE (CelticCoalition @ 21-Mar-2006, 04:28 AM)
I would say that my beliefs are mixed in that I believe all religions are just as likely in the grand scheme of things. I also believe that all religions are just different ways of describing the same phenomenon, and are all probably correct in some way. For example, demons exist in many different religions, and yet are described in different ways based on cultural. I believe that demons in japan, or europe, or africa might either be different demons or are simply described different based on culture.

I also take a lot of ideas from different beliefs, religions...etc that I have studied over the years.

A lot of times I've been treated as a fool by those who have dedicated themselves to a certain religion. Either that or as a naive child who needs to be taught the true path.

That pretty much describes me...

The way I see it, all religions are but a facet of the whole truth... Sort of like the six blind men and the elephant...


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Posted: 21-Mar-2006, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (Elspeth @ 21-Mar-2006, 03:22 PM)
I've been curious. Do any spiritual beliefs believe in Christ as the Son of God and Saviour or is that belief a watershed, the division between spirituality and religion?

Depends on what you mean by watershed... You've sort of lost me there...

Otherwise, I'm a Christian who has no problem practicing magick, communicating with the Fae and other spirits in the world, and even holding a conversation or three with the likes of Gaia, Bast, the Morrigan, and even Jack-O'-The-Green on occasion. I serve Jesus. But last I checked, talking with the others wasnae' a crime.

Hope that's a nutshell enough for everyone.


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