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| Posted by: John Clements 09-Feb-2007, 09:25 AM |
| It’s hard to even think about it, much less talk about it. JC |
| Posted by: Dogshirt 11-Feb-2007, 10:08 PM |
| Politics are like sex. They should BOTH be done in the privacy of your own home and ANY public display of either should be punishable by jail time! |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 12-Feb-2007, 06:08 AM | ||
Never thought of it that way but it makes sense.  |
| Posted by: haynes9 12-Feb-2007, 09:22 AM | ||
Classic, Dog! Simply classic. |
| Posted by: John Clements 06-Mar-2007, 11:18 AM |
| Rejoice… Scooter Libby found guilty on 4 out of 5 counts, of outing one of our agents. Maybe there is hope for us, yet. JC |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 06-Mar-2007, 12:22 PM |
| Sad show over the weekend, with the Bloody Sunday memorial activities. Separate churches, separate excuses and one-upmanship. The media covered it like it was a dog and pony show. I would have had a lot more respect if Barak and Hilary had both done the whole day absolutely together, earnestly observing in memoriam, and not said a word about the campaign. But no -- who can afford to waste so much TV time? Barf. |
| Posted by: John Clements 06-Mar-2007, 12:38 PM |
| You got that right stoirmeil. |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 06-Mar-2007, 10:44 PM | ||
Is there a link anywhere to this story. I would like to read about this. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 07-Mar-2007, 09:02 AM |
| There was no single story -- google on "Bloody Sunday Clintons Obama" and you ought to get an avalanche of commentary. This was the anniversary of a protest march that turned ugly during the civil rights era, and the two Dem candidates spoke at separate churches, supposedly to commemorate the event and talk about why the work isn't yet truly finished, but a lot of campaign rhetoric came out to advantage. Inappropriate right off the bat, I think. Obama was a little icky talking about why he, too, is an American black (there is some issue about whether he is really representative of the constituency, because of his unusual origins) -- the media covered it with dueling sound clips and other coverage as if it were an informal debate, and there was lots of discussion about who "won." Again -- it would have done wonders for the party's appearance and the tone of this whole election if they had suspended all campaigning and just gone to pay respects and support the equality issues together. |
| Posted by: maisky 07-Mar-2007, 11:53 AM | ||
Libby convicted. The scapegoat is eaten by the lions. The REAL culprits get off free. |
| Posted by: John Clements 07-Mar-2007, 01:33 PM | ||||
I totally agree maisky, but at least Libby is toe in the door, that can be squeezed. Let’s hope so. |
| Posted by: Senara 07-Mar-2007, 06:21 PM |
| At least we can count on Vermont getting the ball rolling... http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/03/07/america/NA-GEN-US-Vermont-Town-Meetings-Impeach-Bush.php "CALAIS, Vermont: Packed into their 140-year-old Town Hall on a clear, frigid morning, the people of Calais, a town of 1,552 residents, took care of business Tuesday. They elected Gus Seelig moderator for the annual Town Meeting. They talked about fire department contracts and the town highway fund, appropriated $2,500 (€1,910) for a town swimming program and boosted the property tax exemption for disabled veterans, all without much debate — and no rancor. But when Article 23 came up, the mood changed. That was the one calling for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. Peering over the eyeglasses perched on the end of his nose, Seelig — anticipating an emotional debate — asked the crowd of about 125 people to keep it civil. 'We are not here to criticize each other,' he said. 'We're not going to attack our neighbors. They're still going to be our neighbors when we're done here today.' " see link for more... |
| Posted by: maisky 08-Mar-2007, 07:01 AM |
| Senara, thank you for the ariticle. This is very much current news. The only posative thing that I can see about our continuing involvment in our illegal and immoral involvment in Iraq is that it will lead to deposing the Republicants from power for many years to come. As for Bush and Cheney, they belong in prison. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 08-Mar-2007, 10:52 AM |
| Yes, Senara, thanks. This was a very moving little feature on how the small pockets of real, ordinary people are thinking and reacting to real loss, not just spin -- too easy to lose sight of it, too easy. On the brighter side -- this came to me today from a friend: Subject: A Monument Date: 7 March 2007 Dear friends: I have the distinguished honor of being on the committee to raise $5,000,000 for a monument to George W. Bush . We originally wanted to put him on Mt. Rushmore until we discovered there was not enough room for two more faces. We then decided to erect a statue of George W in the Washington, D.C. Hall Of Fame. We were in a quandary as to where the statue should be placed. It was not proper to place it beside the statue of George Washington, who never told a lie, or beside Richard Nixon, who never told the truth, since George could never tell the difference. We finally decided to place it beside Christopher Columbus, the greatest Republican of them all. He didn't know where he was going, and when he got there he did not know where he was. He returned not knowing where he had been, destroyed the well-being of the majority of the population while he was there, and did it all on someone else's money. Thank you. George W. Bush Monument Committee (so far we have collected $1.35) |
| Posted by: John Clements 08-Mar-2007, 11:17 AM |
| Stoirmeil, Thanks your friend for me, although funny. I’m afraid the question of where to put W’s monument, is a no win situation! Hey… How about a giant, “granite” head, in a cemetery some where? Thanks, JC |
| Posted by: Senara 08-Mar-2007, 11:31 AM |
| Dubya's statue...why that should be a gift to the Iraqui citizens...they need a new statue to put up after they tore down the one of Saddam... |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 08-Mar-2007, 04:07 PM |
| Could put it in the mens room stall at any texas gas station. Maybe it could have a handle in his hands to hold the TP or a tray for tips. Ooo, I'm starting to think some really bad thoughts now. |
| Posted by: maisky 09-Mar-2007, 06:04 AM |
| Here is the latest from the Defense Department's press conference: |
| Posted by: maisky 09-Mar-2007, 06:20 AM | ||
Ill offer another $.25. I would like to suggest a park just off Pennsylvania avenue. It should be in the middle of the park. It is a doggie park. The males will find it "convenient".  |
| Posted by: TheCarolinaScotsman 09-Mar-2007, 09:42 AM |
| Regarding the numbers of folks on both sides trying to "get in the running", is it too early to hate all the candidates? |
| Posted by: TheCarolinaScotsman 09-Mar-2007, 10:46 AM |
| Maybe we could get these guys to visit Washington. Priests to Purify Site After Bush Visit By JUAN CARLOS LLORCA Posted: Today at 12:22 a.m. GUATEMALA CITY — Mayan priests will purify a sacred archaeological site to eliminate "bad spirits" after President Bush visits next week, an official with close ties to the group said Thursday. "That a person like (Bush), with the persecution of our migrant brothers in the United States, with the wars he has provoked, is going to walk in our sacred lands, is an offense for the Mayan people and their culture," Juan Tiney, the director of a Mayan nongovernmental organization with close ties to Mayan religious and political leaders, said Thursday. Bush's seven-day tour of Latin America includes a stopover beginning late Sunday in Guatemala. On Monday morning he is scheduled to visit the archaeological site Iximche on the high western plateau in a region of the Central American country populated mostly by Mayans. Tiney said the "spirit guides of the Mayan community" decided it would be necessary to cleanse the sacred site of "bad spirits" after Bush's visit so that their ancestors could rest in peace. He also said the rites - which entail chanting and burning incense, herbs and candles - would prepare the site for the third summit of Latin American Indians March 26-30. |
| Posted by: Senara 09-Mar-2007, 12:52 PM | ||
Can we send Scooter to them for a human sacrifice to appease the Gods? Seems George and Dick are done with him...and Scooter doesn't have much else to do these days.... just a thought...I know a bad one...but I can't help myself! |
| Posted by: John Clements 09-Mar-2007, 03:05 PM | ||
Thank you Carolina Scotsmen, I just fell off my chair laughing. “Help... me... I can’t get up.” PS: I’m sorry, but I think that it’s going to take more then just a priests blessing, to rid anyplace of “Bushes” residue. I think it’s going to take FIRE! Fire…da da da... JC |
| Posted by: Roberto Phoenix 13-Mar-2007, 05:13 PM |
| Saw this chap was running for Prez today. Anybody heard of him? Can't say I agree with everything he says but he was pretty close on a few things. Any opinions? Web sites usually only show the good stuff. http://www.ronpaulexplore.com/html/AboutRon_fs.html |
| Posted by: maisky 14-Mar-2007, 03:13 AM | ||
A psycho-conservative Republican from Tejas? What could POSSIBLY be wrong with him! He may be the SECOND COMMING!  |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 14-Mar-2007, 08:23 AM | ||||
Second conning, did you say? Surely there's been more than one already . . .  Senara -- nice thought re recycling Scooter, but in most systems that make use of human sacrifice, they tend to like the offering unblemished. |
| Posted by: John Clements 15-Mar-2007, 07:06 AM |
| So where are all you Bush supporters now? Have you all gone under ground, or have you seen the light, and if you know me at all, from my posts. You know I’m not talking about the light of god. Question everything, JC |
| Posted by: haynes9 15-Mar-2007, 07:22 AM | ||
I know Ron Paul somewhat. I actually helped him in a senatorial campaign years ago. Decent guy and no one questions his integrity. Doesn't have a chance at winning a national election, but no question about his honesty. He tends to lean a little too much on the Libertarian side of things for my tastes, but he's better than any major candidate for Pres that we have out there right now. Oh, and John, I have supported Bush in times past and I have hammered him when he's messed up (which has been a lot!). BTW, the light of God in my life has nothing to do with my political views!  Let us know how the big demonstration goes this week. |
| Posted by: Dogshirt 15-Mar-2007, 09:39 PM | ||
Neither, just far too busy too deal with the whining and sniveling coming from the left hand!  |
| Posted by: Nova Scotian 16-Mar-2007, 06:19 AM | ||
Now that's a good one Dog!  |
| Posted by: John Clements 16-Mar-2007, 06:23 AM | ||
Winning and sniveling? That makes me laugh. |
| Posted by: Dogshirt 16-Mar-2007, 07:03 AM |
| It did me too for a bit, but it got old REAL fast! |
| Posted by: John Clements 16-Mar-2007, 10:28 AM |
| Oh that’s too bad… I’m still laughing. |
| Posted by: John Clements 04-May-2007, 10:40 AM |
| If I learned anything from the so called Republican debate last night, it’s that politicians can’t answer a simple yes or no question. Of course that’s not to say that I’m a hard core Democrat. I’m not, I mean Bill Clinton’s trade agreements may end up being worse for America, then this war terror, that the Bush administration, has deliberately “guided” us into. I guess what I’m trying to say is: That if Americans don’t start calling this democratic game, that we’re playing, honestly. This game is over. JC |
| Posted by: oldraven 04-May-2007, 10:53 AM |
| So, this forum is just for US politics, I take it? |
| Posted by: John Clements 04-May-2007, 02:51 PM | ||
Hi oldraven, Politics is politics. It’s just US politics, is most important to me right now. By the way, how is the baby doing, I hope well. JC |
| Posted by: oldraven 04-May-2007, 05:48 PM |
| She's perfect, and about to realise how good it was being an only child. Honestly, I couldn't have asked for a better kid. Happy and (reasonably) well behaved. Thanks for asking. Bah. I was just having a crabby day. No one laughed at my joke so I was pouting. (it really is funny, and brings a lighter side to the dark manner of politics). |
| Posted by: John Clements 05-May-2007, 09:53 AM |
| Good to hear, not so oldraven. I’m very familiar with crabby days. It’s a constant battle to keep them away. Anyway, it’s nice to chat. JC |
| Posted by: John Clements 11-Mar-2008, 05:47 AM |
| Dennis Kucinich, still the man. (10,000 republicans cross over for no good)! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WTEhYzEuzs |
| Posted by: John Clements 29-Jul-2008, 10:10 AM |
| Hi all; You know someone once asked me what this post meant. Well for me, (this morning), that question was answered, when I opened “New Post”, and no new political posts were to found. I guess now that everything has been said. What’s to become our country, is just a wait, and see game? Hang in there, because I think this rollercoaster is cresting, JC |
| Posted by: Camac 29-Jul-2008, 12:56 PM | ||
JC. My Friend, as sure as the sun rises in the East come next Jan. it will be the same game different players. Camac. |
| Posted by: Patch 29-Jul-2008, 03:30 PM | ||||
I fear that you are right about the game and players. I was having dinner with friends last night and could hardly believe it when one of those present brought up the option of a military government. The thought scares me but then so do the alternatives. I see that Washington DC refuses to honor the Supreme Court ruling on firearms and the matter is back in court again. Stevens from Alaska was just indicted for taking a quarter of a million in bribes and an appeals court failed to overturn the sentences of two border agents who shot an illegal Mexican drug dealer. Things certainly seem to be falling apart and our system cries for repair!! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: John Clements 01-Aug-2008, 03:00 PM |
| Straight shooter all right! http://therealmccain.com/pac/?utm_source=rgemail Check it out, JC |
| Posted by: Camac 01-Aug-2008, 03:59 PM |
| JC. As an outsider looking in let me tell you what I see. 1. Your system of choosing Presidential candidates is cumbersome and long; 2. Your campainging season is ridiculously long and to easily subverted into mudslinging sessions.3. Your system of Election Financing should be totally scraped.It is to easy for the monied to influency.4. The President has far to much Power. 5. The system of appointing Cabinet members is a mistake. Maybe if they had to run for election they would not be so ready to do endruns around your Constitution and be more accountable. 6 The system of so called checks and balances is a joke. In the past 50 years your Presidents have involve the US in more conflicts than your Congress has in the past 200. Our system is not perfect but in a lot of respects it beats what you have. Apologies to anyone I P.O. Camac. |
| Posted by: John Clements 01-Aug-2008, 04:58 PM | ||
No apologies necessary Dave, I agree with all 6 comments. Fundamental change is what we need, and most of all accountability. as in real jail time, or worse. Later man, JC |
| Posted by: Patch 01-Aug-2008, 05:06 PM | ||
You make some excellent points. The cost of elections went up with television. It financed some news channels with political money. It is so entrenched I suspect it will last as long as the system. Presidents have "taken" authority they were not granted by the constitution and the legislature feels they can legislate around the constitution. The people are willing participants as long as they get their hand outs. Reminds me of the old story about how to catch pigs in the Ozarks. Wild pigs live in the forest and you catch them with corn. Yep, corn. Usually they are foraging for nuts, roots and berries. You dump a pile of corn in the forest and eventually they find and eat it. Then every day you put out more corn till they are comfortable with it. Then you build a fence along one side of the place you are putting the corn. You continue till they are again comfortable and build a fence along another side. Back to the corn and you eventually fence the third side. You repeat the process and with the fourth fence you leave a gate in the middle. When they are all inside eating corn you close the gate ant the pigs are no longer free. It does not really matter though because the pigs no longer know how to forage in the wild and probably would not survive anyway. Certainly sounds familiar doesn't it? Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: John Clements 01-Aug-2008, 08:53 PM | ||||
Thanks for the story Patch…now I’m really depressed. Later guys, JC |
| Posted by: Jillian 01-Aug-2008, 11:18 PM |
| Just jumping on and reading some of the posts....as for Bush supporter...not exactly...but not a hater either. I do not believe he and Cheney have destroyed the world in 8 years all by themselves. Remember, this is a guy who has been heckled for unintelligable oration, but miraculously has ruined the world single-handly? Both sides of the aisle should be ashamed of themselves. Greed has its glory right now and making radical accusations towards either side is derailing a great country. As for our system of goverment? Well, I'm thinking it's kind of like the gun debate. Guns don't kill....people do....the system ain't so bad in theory...but political leaders have killed it. Just my musings from the "other side".... Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 02-Aug-2008, 03:27 AM | ||
As a past political insider of sorts I saw this coming when there was government encouragement for the lending industry to make sub prime loans. Once that is done, the economy must experience NO "bumps." The administration tried to create a "paper economy" to encourage acceptance of the war (?) in Iraq. A war for which we may never know the real reason for our involvement. It certainly was not terrorism. Hussain would not have tolerated terrorists in his country as they would have been a threat to him too. We created a vacume where they could thrive and strike the "great satan" in holy jihad. Because of this administration's poor decisions our enemies are destroying us exactly as we did Russia. FINANCIALLY! If we had industry as our base yet, we might survive but that is gone. We have gone from a lender nation to a borrower as evidenced by the national debt and the amount of money we owe the Asian countries. China financed your tax rebate. Even the debt total is an illusion. When you consider SS and other funds that are to be held in trust and only exist as IOU's, the debt is astronomical! Several years ago, there were two file cabinets is the treasury dept. that contained three loose leaf binders. Each binder contained a govt. bond for a portion of the social security fund. Today there may be more notebooks or even file cabinets. When the time comes to settle up, where is the money coming from? Two options, first print it (bad idea) and second taxes (equally bad idea). At one time the necessary tax rate to support the govt. and pay back the SS admin was computed to be about 75% of everyone's income. (Before state and local taxes) These problems go back years but the greed and incompetence of this administration have brought it all to a head. Bush Sr. picked the VP and cabinet. This in part was because no one wanted to have anything to do with Jr. The first pick for attorney general replied in a negative and vulgar manner. Many others politely declined. The only two recent presidents that were any different than the Clinton white house were Ragan and Carter. Unfortunately at this place in time, as Clint Eastwood put it, we are in for a "Missouri boat ride" and the outcome is in doubt. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: John Clements 02-Aug-2008, 10:24 AM | ||||
Your right Jillian, Bush and Chaney didn’t destroy the country single handedly; they had plenty of help from Neo Cons just like them. And believe me. It’s no accident. Right on Patch…too put it in simpler terms, (having no other choice). The people of this country, (the very ones who made this country what it was), have been abandoned by our own corporations, and own government, all for greed and lust for power. At least, that’s how I see it. JC |
| Posted by: Jillian 02-Aug-2008, 10:57 AM |
| Patch/JC, I absolutely agree w/you both. The "deindustrialization", "paper econonmy", and becoming this consumer society is a nightmare. We have become a hollow shell it seems, and I'm afraid we're going to implode. The sad thing is that none of our leaders seem to care. As long as their future is secure...and those "bumps" don't affect them, they stay in "avoidance mode", ignoring the depth of our problems. I don't know guys....I used to really follow and delve into the political happenings, and anymore I feel hopeless that our government will do the right thing. Am I growing more cynical w/age (46)? And why aren't there more people like us around that can actually have conversations about the issues that concern us w/out going into attack mode?I really appreciate this site....Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 02-Aug-2008, 12:38 PM | ||
I talked with my sister a couple of days ago and she feels helpless about the situation too. I am still trying to wake people up but I am not having much success. They complain about high gas prices and I say ok, lets do something. Wall mart stations in the Eastern US use gasoline pumped and refined in Ark. Marathon, BP and Shell use oil from the middle east. Support the American company! That requires a drive to the far North edge of town and is inconvenient at times. Thus, they buy any place that is convenient. I think most people are like the "pigs of the Ozarks." The Govt set a precedent when they bailed out Baer Sterns, a sub prime mortgage speculator. There was no insurance liability and it saved big investors. The Fed recently announced that they planned to bail out "hedge funds". Why? All of this is gambling! You are not guaranteed to win! They set aside (borrowed) billions to help people facing foreclosure. Not long before Baer Sterms, there was a Sunday night news release about the Senate and House passing and the president signing a bill to fund food pantries and soup kitchens. This is reminiscent of 1929! I do not think there is anyone in government smart enough or willing to even attempt to fix the economy. This does not even get into Iraq and our open borders. This has been coming for twenty years! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: John Clements 02-Aug-2008, 02:10 PM | ||||
Hi again; In an entertainment society no one wants to talk about anything serious, even if it’s about where your next meal is going to come from. Soon…those who still have it too good to complain, will be feeling the pinch, and hopefully will be taking action. Mean while…I hope you all enjoyed the new Batman movie? What a joke we have become, JC |
| Posted by: Jillian 02-Aug-2008, 02:33 PM |
| Haven't seen the Batman movie yet, but had an interesting conversation w/a neighbor last night around a nice backyard campfire. He swears the "entertainment industry" is a government ploy to dumb down the masses so constitutional erosion can continue! I can't say as I disagree much anymore Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 02-Aug-2008, 03:55 PM |
| Our founding fathers fought and secured for us what was probably the greatest social experiment in history. Unfortunately within 100 years our leaders were dismanteling it for their own gain. The pace today is too fast to keep up with. Just look at Stevens, the Senator from Alaska! He took a quarter of a million from an OIL contractor and didn't realize that the contractor paid to renovate his house. I also heard there was an air plane involved too. In my opinion the Senator's punishment should be much more severe than that of the guy who steals 500,000 dollars. The senator is guilty of theft and violating the public trust!! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Jillian 02-Aug-2008, 04:40 PM |
Yeah...I know, and there's "Enron", and the politician that stashed the cash in the freezer....and the one who stole congressional documents....and there's always my favorite...Geoge Bush's speech on the ship about war being over....Patch, I get so angry I have to use humor to de-escalate! That "war over" speech always reminds me of the Monty Python "Holy Grail" scene w/the fight between King Arthur and the Black Knight...I think it's the Black Knight that says, "Victory is mine!"...and then he subsequently gets a firm boot to the helmet!  I really don't know what I'm going to do re: the election. Do you know much about the Constitutional Party? Jillian |
| Posted by: Jillian 02-Aug-2008, 04:47 PM |
| [Wall mart stations in the Eastern US use gasoline pumped and refined in Ark. Marathon, BP and Shell use oil from the middle east. Support the American company! That requires a drive to the far North edge of town and is inconvenient at times. Thus, they buy any place that is convenient. I think most people are like the "pigs of the Ozarks." QUOTE] I forgot to ask...I understand Hess gas station is okay so I've been going there. Is this correct? I don't want to be another "sty casualty" Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 02-Aug-2008, 05:18 PM |
| Yes I do. It has been my party of choice since I left the Republican party. I will be working for them again this election if I hold together that long. Dr. Baldwin (Chuck) is a great guy and to the best of my knowledge he is honest beyond any question. He just does not have a lot of name recognition. You can go to www.constitutionparty.com for national party information and www.(your state)constitutionparty.com for state and local party news and candidate information. I was hoping Ron Paul would be their presidential candidate but he ran as a Republican. Another option is Bob Barr. Bob has been a long time member of the House. He is the Libertarian party candidate. They support him but the rank and file of the party feel he is too conservative. He is an ex Republican and was said to be Ron Paul's replacement as the constitutional conservative in the House when Paul retires (he is 71 now). I watched Barr during the impeachment meetings the other day and was impressed. I only wish Dan and Marilyn Quayle would have had more to say about Jr. Marilyn has made comments but Dan has been pretty tight lipped. I would have much rather had Dan for president than bush. We need a knight in shining armor on a white horse to ride in to save the day and there are none out there. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Jillian 02-Aug-2008, 05:47 PM |
| Patch, Thank you very much for the information. I will be checking the websites out. Jillian |
| Posted by: Camac 03-Aug-2008, 10:19 AM | ||
Jillian; How Roman. Bread and Circuses. Camac. |
| Posted by: Patch 03-Aug-2008, 10:25 AM | ||||
We all know what happened to the Roman empire! When those paying can no longer support those receiving, the system fails! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Camac 03-Aug-2008, 10:35 AM |
| Patch; I watched Bill Moyers this morning. I don't know if it was current or a rerun but it had to do with Tom Delay, and others including Abramov (sp) and I believe Reed from the Christian Coaliition and some sort of lobbying scandal. Most enlightening and informative,but then I like Bill Moyers. Camac. |
| Posted by: Patch 03-Aug-2008, 11:58 AM | ||
I believe Abramov has rolled over on the rest but you can expect all to be pardoned. All the favors were granted by Cheny (shows you where the brains and power are located) and all are bush cohorts. Such is American government today! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: John Clements 03-Aug-2008, 01:23 PM | ||||
That's why impeachment is so important, (meaning both Bush and Chaney) because once the impeachment is under way, Bush looses his pardoning power. (When cornered…attack is the only alternative.) As you probably already know my thinking is that Bush won’t let it get that far, having already laid plains for a reason to declare martial law. IE: A trumped up attack by Iran, or another inside job on the States. Sorry guys it’s all seems so obvious to me. I hope I’m proven wrong. JC |
| Posted by: Patch 03-Aug-2008, 02:37 PM | ||||||
He certainly wanted the power to declare martial law (patriot act) bad enough! Also, there is nothing patriotic about the patriot act! I do not know if you caught the news release about three years ago where a large number of tanks were moved around the U.S. from a military base in I think Georgia. I saw them on US 30, I 75, US 29 and I 69 before any announcement was made. One of them made an appearance at a demonstration on the west coast later and made the news, complete with pictures. Wonder where they are now? I have heard no rumors of any foreign power planning a landing and attack on American soil. You don't suppose they plan to use them on us do you?! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Camac 03-Aug-2008, 06:23 PM |
| Patch; I would think that it would be extremely difficult to impose Martial Law in the U.S. Your Military is spread thin and most of it consists of reserves . Also with the number of armed citizens you have methinks he'ld have a hell of a time trying to establish that. Camac. |
| Posted by: John Clements 03-Aug-2008, 06:24 PM | ||||||||
Nothing would surprise me with these people, Patch. Dinners on patch, got to go, JC |
| Posted by: Patch 03-Aug-2008, 07:18 PM |
| I think there would be little organization by the people. Most will just sit and fiddle with their gun. There may be some ill tempered old farts that will take exception to it but they will be easily put down. If it happens, just watch how fast they can get troops back here. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Camac 03-Aug-2008, 07:21 PM | ||
Patch; Do you think Bush and his buddies would really risk Civil War? If so then the U.S. has a big problem. Camac. |
| Posted by: Patch 03-Aug-2008, 07:47 PM | ||||
Bush has to make the declaration, but your PM was right. He is a moron (arrested development at approximately age 13 with the ability to act and pass as normal.) Cheney is the dangerous one. I see his fingerprints all over the whole thing. I hope it does not happen but nothing any more will surprise me. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: John Clements 03-Aug-2008, 08:58 PM | ||||||
Patch; it’s time for all good patriots to get some shut eye…later man, JC PS: I think there are still a lot of old farts out there who can hit what they’re aiming at. My guess is you’re one of them. |
| Posted by: Camac 04-Aug-2008, 06:08 AM | ||
Patch; I couldn't agree more. Cheney is the dangerous one. If Georgie had a brain he would still be an idiot. Well to-day is a holiday here North of the Border. Called Civic Holiday except here in Ontario its Lord Simcoe Day. He was the first Govenor of Upper Canada (Ontario) and founded the City of York (Toronto) any way it's a "GOOF OFF" day and I intend to enjoy. Camac. PS. Toronto is Algonquin for THe Meeting Place.     |
| Posted by: Patch 04-Aug-2008, 06:18 AM |
| Have a GREAT holiday!!! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 10-Aug-2008, 10:23 AM |
| THIS MAY BE THE WAY TO SAVE THE FREE WORLD ECONOMIES!! If not, people will not give a sh-t! http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3774 Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 10-Aug-2008, 01:36 PM | ||
I was doing OK until I got to the last paragraph.  Hmmmmm . . . methinks the author is more intimately infused with the product he endorses than he is letting on.  |
| Posted by: Camac 10-Aug-2008, 02:05 PM |
| When I had my sailboat the Friend wh taught me to sail got hold of about 500 feet of one inch Hemp line and we made our mooring lines out of it. They were the strongest mooring lines I ever had beat the hell out of Dacron. Camac |
| Posted by: Patch 10-Aug-2008, 02:05 PM | ||||
I agree. I grew up on a farm where hemp was raised in the 40's for the war effort. I walked the fields with a hoe in my personal eradication effort as directed by my father. I had no idea what it was until as an adult I read in the news about people coming from all over to harvest the plants growing wild in that part of the state. Had I known, I probably would have developed a friendship with the plants. They started an emergency eradication program and now that I know what it is, it's all gone. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 10-Aug-2008, 02:13 PM |
| I saw Jeans and shirts made from hemp and to me they felt better than cotton. The price was about 4 times or a little more than regular jeans. Do you suppose a police "drug" dog would hit on you if you were wearing them? I would want to know that bit of information up front!!! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Camac 10-Aug-2008, 05:57 PM |
| Patch; Here in Southern Ontario there is the Hemp Growers Assosciation. Growing of Hemp is legal as it is a different variety from Wacky Tabaccy. A lot of Tobacco farmers started growing hemp because of a drop in the market. Here a carton of 200 cigarettes is $75. -$80. with the majority being taxes so they switched over and seem to be doing quite well. There are Hemp products all over the place. Camac |
| Posted by: Patch 10-Aug-2008, 06:38 PM | ||
I know little about the type grown in the 40's but people must have thought it was good because they came from a long way to pick it. This would have been in the mid 60's. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Jillian 11-Aug-2008, 06:31 PM |
Not only could Hemp save the free world economies, if everyone was stoned, no one would want to argue....like, dude, everything would be alright....  And about that dog Patch....hmmm....had to chuckle! Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 12-Aug-2008, 08:08 AM | ||
I do believe the dog would hunt!! Usage would have to be mandatory though. A real despot could rise up and no one would be up to deposing him! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Jillian 12-Aug-2008, 06:21 PM |
| Ain't that the truth! Jillian |
| Posted by: Camac 12-Aug-2008, 06:24 PM | ||
jillian; Just to keep it straight. Hemp is not Cannabis, they are cousins from the same Family. You could smoke Hemp till it came out your ears and not get High. Camac. |
| Posted by: Jillian 12-Aug-2008, 06:30 PM |
Oh...crap....I'm returning all the clothes then.  So, what exactly is it then? Is it a reed, plant of the same family? How is it harvested? jillian |
| Posted by: Camac 12-Aug-2008, 06:58 PM |
| Its a plant and can actually grow quite tall around 6+ feet. Its usual harvested by a mowere then Bailed for either storage or shipping. Camac. |
| Posted by: Jillian 12-Aug-2008, 07:06 PM |
| Camac, So why does everyone always associate hemp w/marijuana? Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 12-Aug-2008, 07:41 PM |
| Whatever was growing wild in North Eastern Indiana had a lot of people fooled then and got some people arrested for possession. I know the leaves looked the same and I chopped plants out of the fields that were still growing at 5 ft. When the eradication program started they had a lot of people with back pack sprayers covering a 5 or more county area killing it. We have since put the family farm back to marsh and wetlands, native trees, grasses and plants (as it was when the Indians lived there) and if any seeds were left it would be growing. I take the grandkids there to hunt deer and to fish and I would have seen it. I never had the opportunity to smoke any of it so I can not attest to it's value or lack thereof. I am certain it would have been better than "corn silk though." Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 12-Aug-2008, 07:45 PM |
| I will not divulge how I came by the information but the "buds" (new leaf clusters) are best with leaves next and stems about worthless. I learned that a very looooong time ago! Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Jillian 13-Aug-2008, 06:58 AM |
| LOL! Oh the days of our youth! But I really never understood the whole hemp controversy - which is why I asked....if the plant is not smokeable, then why would the government want to eradicate it? Was it simply because it was a threat to other big business? Geez, if it can run cars, is easy to grow, strong and durable, why not reinstate it? And is there legislation re: growing it? Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 13-Aug-2008, 07:28 AM |
| I have no answers. I know they had a hundred or so people spending entire summers spraying it for around 10 years. The news paper had 10 to 20 arrests in just one county weekly for "possession" and it was cut from highway right of way (public property). I cut thousands of plants from a foot high to 5 feet with a sharpened old iron hoe! Just think of the damage I did to the economy! Whoever was driving and spotted it on the right of way must have thought they died and went to heaven! I doubt it was very expensive back then. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: maisky 19-Aug-2008, 09:37 AM |
| Here is an interesting endorsement of John McCain by Jack Cafferty of CNN: NEW YORK (CNN) -- Russia invades Georgia and President Bush goes on vacation. Our president has spent one-third of his entire two terms in office either at Camp David, Maryland, or at Crawford, Texas, on vacation. His time away from the Oval Office included the month leading up to 9/11, when there were signs Osama bin Laden was planning to attack America, and the time Hurricane Katrina destroyed the city of New Orleans. Sen. John McCain takes weekends off and limits his campaign events to one a day. He made an exception for the religious forum on Saturday at Saddleback Church in Southern California. I think he made a big mistake. When he was invited last spring to attend a discussion of the role of faith in his life with Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, at Messiah College in Pennsylvania, McCain didn't bother to show up. Now I know why. It occurs to me that John McCain is as intellectually shallow as our current president. When asked what his Christian faith means to him, his answer was a one-liner. "It means I'm saved and forgiven." Great scholars have wrestled with the meaning of faith for centuries. McCain then retold a story we've all heard a hundred times about a guard in Vietnam drawing a cross in the sand. Asked about his greatest moral failure, he cited his first marriage, which ended in divorce. While saying it was his greatest moral failing, he offered nothing in the way of explanation. Why not? Don't Miss The Cafferty File: Join the conversation Jack's book: "It's Getting Ugly Out There" Analysis: Is McCain finding his way on faith? Throughout the evening, McCain chose to recite portions of his stump speech as answers to the questions he was being asked. Why? He has lived 71 years. Surely he has some thoughts on what it all means that go beyond canned answers culled from the same speech he delivers every day. He was asked "if evil exists." His response was to repeat for the umpteenth time that Osama bin Laden is a bad man and he will pursue him to "the gates of hell." That was it. He was asked to define rich. After trying to dodge the question -- his wife is worth a reported $100 million -- he finally said he thought an income of $5 million was rich. One after another, McCain's answers were shallow, simplistic, and trite. He showed the same intellectual curiosity that George Bush has -- virtually none. Where are John McCain's writings exploring the vexing moral issues of our time? Where are his position papers setting forth his careful consideration of foreign policy, the welfare state, education, America's moral responsibility in the world, etc., etc., etc.? John McCain graduated 894th in a class of 899 at the Naval Academy at Annapolis. His father and grandfather were four star admirals in the Navy. Some have suggested that might have played a role in McCain being admitted. His academic record was awful. And it shows over and over again whenever McCain is called upon to think on his feet. He no longer allows reporters unfettered access to him aboard the "Straight Talk Express" for a reason. He simply makes too many mistakes. Unless he's reciting talking points or reading from notes or a TelePrompTer, John McCain is lost. He can drop bon mots at a bowling alley or diner -- short glib responses that get a chuckle, but beyond that McCain gets in over his head very quickly. I am sick and tired of the president of the United States embarrassing me. The world we live in is too complex to entrust it to someone else whose idea of intellectual curiosity and grasp of foreign policy issues is to tell us he can look into Vladimir Putin's eyes and see into his soul. George Bush's record as a student, military man, businessman and leader of the free world is one of constant failure. And the part that troubles me most is he seems content with himself. He will leave office with the country $10 trillion in debt, fighting two wars, our international reputation in shambles, our government cloaked in secrecy and suspicion that his entire presidency has been a litany of broken laws and promises, our citizens' faith in our own country ripped to shreds. Yet Bush goes bumbling along, grinning and spewing moronic one-liners, as though nobody understands what a colossal failure he has been. I fear to the depth of my being that John McCain is just like him. |
| Posted by: Patch 19-Aug-2008, 10:01 AM |
| Research the "clinical description" of a Moron and see if you find any answers. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: gwenlee 19-Aug-2008, 12:44 PM | ||
As far as I am concerned neither Obama or McCain deserves to be president. But it looks like the media has decided for the good of Americans who should be our next leader. The media has created a hype that has people believing that Obama is the best man for the job. I've listened to his plans for us and if he gets in our debt will be twice what it is now if not more. But who cares as long as everyone gets what they want. It doesn't matter because they are heading into retirement years and they won't be left with the financial mess. NO our young will be left with it and they too are caught up in all the media hype about Obama. They think he is a cool, hip, computer savvy and what ever else person, but these same young people can not tell you one thing that Obama stands for except change. These same young people if given a test to become a US citizen couldn't even pass it, they haven't a clue who our leaders are or what their job is. They couldn't tell you any thing about the meaning of the 4 th of July except that we have picnics and fireworks. Don't get me wrong we do have a few enlighten youth, but as a whole the majority haven't a clue. This country needs to wake up start educating our kids about what it means to be American, what it took to make this country, encouraging education especially in math and science, and tell them not to sit on their hands waiting for solutions from the government. All of us can point fingers and say it is his or her fault, but where are the people that are ready to take charge. I don't need a pretty face that has captured the media giving me empty promises. OBAMA nor the DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS have the answers. There is no easy solution. |
| Posted by: Camac 19-Aug-2008, 12:50 PM | ||
Patch; When Francoise Ducros, A member of P.M. Chretiens' staff called Bush a Moron in Prague she had to submitt her resignation. There were those of us who thought she should have been promoted for saying publicly what everyone was saying privately. Camac. |
| Posted by: Patch 19-Aug-2008, 02:27 PM |
| Admittedly, I initially felt your Govt. had no right to say that (I didn't like bush) Shortly someone here suggested I research the clinical description. I did and then felt your Govt. should have been commended. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Patch 19-Aug-2008, 02:36 PM | ||||
We need solutions more than anyone realizes. The NINJA loans. dubbed such by the mortgage industry because they are the worst of the worst, will come into play in the next 12-18 months and the crisis could be beyond comprehension. Both parties fear the economy but the Republicans will get the blame for it. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: gwenlee 19-Aug-2008, 06:59 PM | ||
I read an article today on msn about how Alan Greenspans decisions caused a lot of the fall out we are experiencing. If memory serves me right he served during the Clinton administration. I get so tired of the finger pointing. The problems we have are caused by both parties. People need to wake up and realize that no party is blameless. |
| Posted by: Patch 19-Aug-2008, 07:26 PM | ||||
Greenspan goes back to bush sr. if memory serves me. Maybe even a Reagan appointment. The mortgage crisis is the brain(?)child of this bush. About a dozen states tried to halt it and the govt. stopped them. It was used as a means to artificially bolster the economy. We are looking at an impending economic horror show between mortgages, credit card debt and a small loan crisis. When major economists begin talking about an "inflationary depression" (two words who's meanings are opposites) it is cause for grave concern. Clinton was forced to balance the budget by a Republican legislature. When the Republicans took control they spent like drunken sailors on shore leave. It does not matter where the blame falls as there is plenty to go around. It happened under the bush "watch" so the Republicans will get the blame. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Jillian 21-Aug-2008, 05:40 PM |
| Gwenlee, Thank you for your comments. On the other political thread? (senior moment-can't remember which one), Camac pointed me to the pbs.org website w/Bill Moyers interviewing Colonel Andrew Bacevich. It was on the Colonel's book, "Imperial Presidency". Great interview. I so agree w/you and Patch. Until we Americans do the right thing and send a message to both parties, we are doomed to the same mistakes that will eventually leave the United States vacuous and broke. (As a side note, I just made a typo when typing United...spelling it "Untied" States...kind of ironic huh? If we aren't careful, we'll trip over our own damn shoe strings.). Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 21-Aug-2008, 06:15 PM |
| A subconcious slip of the thought process? I think we already have tripped. I saw today that the Govt expects food prices to increase 6 % during the rest of this year and much more than that next year. Grain prices are falling like a rock now. There is something criminal going on in the futures market. They need some prosecutions and lengthly prision sentences. T. Boone Pickens is pushing wind and solar energy and he has formed a corporation organize it. Guess who will make a fortune from it? Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: Jillian 21-Aug-2008, 06:31 PM |
| Yep...Ponzi Scheme.... Jillian |
| Posted by: Patch 22-Aug-2008, 03:22 AM |
| I saw an interview with Pickens and he indicated that the only hold up in the plan was that a "transmission line corridor was necessary for the plan to work. (why can't we use existing transmission lines?) His corporation wants someone else to pay for that! His thinking seems to have become the "American way" and no one cares! There are very few parts of the U.S. where either solar or wind power is viable. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 22-Aug-2008, 04:13 PM | ||
Hmmm . . . it would seem, with the wide variation in climate, coastline and terrain we can claim, that there must be some potential. I really know little about these energy generating options. Any studies you can point to? |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 22-Aug-2008, 04:24 PM | ||||
Not to be a pill -- but the terms "idiot," 'imbecile" and "moron" are extremely outdated as clinical designations, going back to the work of Goddard in 1910. The words used to be attached years ago to two criteria: trainability and educability. A moron was thought to be both trainable and partially educable -- therefore it was considered the highest form of substandard intellect. An imbecile was trainable but not really educable; and "idiot" designated profound retardation with no educability and marginal trainability, if any. Taken together, the terms designated graduated, descending intelligence levels substantially below an IQ of 100, which is considered by definition to be "average." Check the Wikipedia article linked below under "archaic terms." I don't always trust the Wiki, but this time they did a fair job of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation But nobody is using these as serious clinical evaluation measures any more. They're just insults. I think a thoughtful breakdown of a person's intellectual strengths (if any) and specific shortcomings, such as maisky has for the most part outlined, sheds a lot more light. Except -- when you accuse Bush of spewing "moronic one-liners," you owe an apology to the mildly intellectually impaired everywhere. |
| Posted by: Patch 22-Aug-2008, 05:12 PM |
| I employed 5 to 7 impaired employees through a workshop and they were fine people with but one exception. Unlike bush they never gave me reason to believe they were less than honest. They did, however, have problems with social skills similar to bush. His school records have disappeared. Mine have not. I wrote term papers. No one could convince me that he did. Things that have been covered up are beginning to be "leaked" and this is only the tip of the iceberg. The terminology I got was "arrested development at approximately age 13 with the ability to act and pass as normal." I realize there is more than this but this was the generality they published. Slàinte, Patch |
| Posted by: John Clements 27-Aug-2008, 07:09 AM |
| John McCain? He’s no “Maverick”… He’s a “Sidekick”! That was said by a Democrat last night. Now why didn’t I think of that? |
| Posted by: Camac 27-Aug-2008, 07:32 AM | ||
JC; Yeh: George "Yosemite Sam" Bush and John "Smilie Pancho" Macain. David |
| Posted by: John Clements 27-Aug-2008, 08:01 AM | ||||
John McCain? He’s no “Maverick”… He’s a “Sidekick”! Now that’s a Bumper Sticker”, if ever I saw one. (I posted it again because I think it’s better then my first coment.) Sorry, JC PS: Says it all Dave. |