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Posted: 10-Aug-2005, 08:05 AM
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(CBS/AP) Four U.S. soldiers were killed and six others wounded Tuesday when insurgents attacked their patrol in the northern city of Beiji. Another U.S. soldier died in a suicide car bomb attack in Baghdad, officials said.
The 10 Task Force Liberty soldiers were on patrol when they came under attack late Tuesday in Beiji, 155 miles north of Baghdad, a military statement said Wednesday.
Insurgents fired on the convoy with rocket-propelled grenades, damaging two Humvees and a Bradley Fighting Vehicle, said Beiji police Lt. Ali Abdul-Hameed. Witnesses in the area said the Bradley fell into a canal and a U.S. helicopter transported the casualties.
In Baghdad, a suicide car bomber struck a U.S. convoy waiting at an intersection, killing seven people ? including one American soldier ? and wounding more than 90. More than a dozen others died in scattered attacks across the capital.
Also, a U.S. Marine assigned to the 2nd Marine Division was killed Monday by small-arms fire in Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, the U.S. military said. |
That's the article. Though it is from CBS, it is a reflection of the reports spattering the airwaves on am radio from ABC affiliates as well as NBC affilliates.
This is tragic news. The loss of life is tragic whether it is a fallen U.S. hero or an animal one of us cared for and received love from in return. That is not my point.
The point struck me again today, as it has since we started major combat activity in Afghanistan and now Iraq, is that the media in this country, the United States, is fixated on the death of American and ally troops and civilians.
Notice what is missing from the story? Hint: the number of terrorists that were killed today. Nothing, not even a mention of how many of the enemy were killed today or yesterday or last week.
The story gives the reader the impression that our soldiers are all standing in line like ducks in a shooting gallery waiting to be picked off by the "insurgents". Yeah, our media can't even call them what they are; islamofascists, terrorists, muslims, mullahs, prehistoric kickbacks. No, our media doesn't want us to know our soldiers are fighting the good fight, exterminating the vermin where we find them. They have become the most useful source of propaganda the islamofascist has in his arsenal. The real question is why are these people not rounded up and charged with sedition? The actions of the leftists/socialists in this country, including the ACLU/NYCLU are textbook definition of sedition and any intelligent person can agree with that. There is a huge difference between excercising a person's first amendment right to freedom of the press and freedom of speech to a person's or news media's deliberate actions to undermine the resolve of the United States to win the war against terrorism.
I struck up this topic on the CB radio today and was immediately stabbed with: "It's the same as if Bush was shooting them himself." I was railed and ridiculed for even daring to mention that perhaps our gallant fighting men were engaged in combat and might have killed hundreds of the mullahs before they succumbed to gunfire. No, it seems the sheep in America, led by their shepherds in the media are buying into the "bush lied, we died." mindset of the leftist/socialist propaganda they are fed daily, should they even dare to try to find out what is going on in the world.
It saddens me gravely to think so many people in this country really are so gullable.
BTW, nice board you have here, hope you don't mind if I join in the discussion......
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Militia
1.Civilians trained as soldiers but not part of the regular army
2.The entire body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service
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| SCShamrock |
Posted: 10-Aug-2005, 12:01 PM
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Sniper,
We are most honored to have you here in our little (that means close) circle of family and friends. I welcome you, and hope you enjoy your stay here as much as I have.
As for the information in your post, I couldn't agree more! You make a salient point when you point out that the leftist in this country, force feeding the masses with their socialist propaganda, do so effectively spoon feed the brain-washing message through the attack machine that is the liberal-dominated media. The question: how many of the enemy were killed today, or yesterday, or last week? is a legitimate question, provided you understand the definition of the word enemy as the liberals define it. Unfortunately, the answer to that question is in the message:
Four U.S. soldiers were killed and six others wounded Tuesday when insurgents attacked their patrol in the northern city of Beiji. Another U.S. soldier died in a suicide car bomb attack in Baghdad, officials said.....etc., etc.
That is the sad reality. With each passing day, the leftist media in America pushes the notion just a little bit harder that it is America and our foreign policy that is the enemy here. The numbers of American soldiers dead, dying, or injured being reported is simply to instill anger and hostility into the hearts and minds of the American citizen. The enemy is our leadership, the victim is the poor Muslim in Iraq and Afghanistan, and our men and women in uniform are the primary target.
Again, welcome Sniper. I hope to be reading more of your thoughts and observations soon!
Robert
So why don't we hear about the numbers of so-called insurgents that were killed today? Because it is simply too depressing for the Dan Blathers of the world to talk about.
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| TheCarolinaScotsman |
Posted: 10-Aug-2005, 02:23 PM
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As has been mentioned, this is indeed sad news. Let us remember though, that the job description of our soldiers reads something like "Engage enemy soldiers in combat, killing them if required and trying to avoid being killed or wounded." For the most part, our soldiers are doing a DAMN GOOD JOB. There is an argument going on about whether or not the leadership is doing a good job. That has nothing to do with our soldiers.
Combat, war, armed conflict...whatever you want to call it, is, always has been and always will be a dirty job. How the citizenry in general reacts to any war is fully dependent on how the war is presented to them. If their news and information is totally controlled by a totalitarian government, then they will enthusiastically support the war. If their news is controlled by a small group of people who use it (the news) to make money, then they may support it (the war) or they may be against it, depending on what sells that day. If they are told the truth, then they will support which ever side is most likely to bring to fruition the democratic ideals they supposedly cherish and hold dear.
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| Sonee |
Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 07:13 AM
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Glad to have you here, sniper!! Like Shamrock I look forward to hearing more from you!!! Now, onto the subject at hand!
Correct me if I'm wrong but we are currently in a "war on terror", in other words a war against terrorists are we not? Also, if I'm not mistaken, Saddam, along with Bin Laden, is a terrorist. So, where is the problem in taking him, and his murderous group of thugs, out of play? Isn't the point of this entire '"war" to get rid of terrorist BEFORE they strike? Were we supposed to wait until Saddam found a way to inflict as much damage (if not more) than Bin Laden did? (And you can't tell me that he wasn't thinking about it. He hates the "infidels" as much as Osama)
The issue isn't, or shouldn't be, whether Saddam had WMDs, whether we were "lied" to or not, that is all a matter of speculation. None of us were involved in any of the information gathering or meetings of the Bush administration. We have no way of knowing what they did or did not know other than what is reported by the media and we all know how fallible and self-serving they are! The issue is, or should be, getting rid of terrorist before they strike. Instead of focusing on what Saddam DIDN'T have lets look at all the things he DID have. Or how about how many people HE has killed over the years.
Every soldier who puts on a uniform knows that in times of war he/she has a chance of being killed. They believe in this country and it's freedoms enough to take that chance. Doesn't it negate the sacrifices they make and the risks they take to reduce them to statistics?
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| sorbus |
 Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 07:53 AM
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While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy, hurroo, hurroo
While goin' the road to sweet Athy,
A stick in me hand and a drop in me eye,
A doleful damsel I heard cry,
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Chorus:
With your guns and drums and drums and guns, hurroo, hurroo
With your guns and drums and drums and guns, hurroo, hurroo
With your guns and drums and drums and guns,
The enemy nearly slew ye
Oh my darling dear, Ye look so queer
Johnny I hardly knew ye.
Where are the eyes that were so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the eyes that were so mild, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the eyes that were so mild,
When my heart you so beguiled
Why did ye sci-daddle from me and the child
Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ye
Where are the legs with which you run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the legs with which you run, hurroo, hurroo
Where are the legs with which you run,
When first you went to carry a gun
Indeed your dancing days are done
Oh Johnny, I hardly knew ye
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg, hurroo, hurroo
Ye haven't an arm, ye haven't a leg,
Ye're an armless, boneless, chickenless egg
Ye'll have to put with a bowl out to beg
Oh Johnny I hardly knew ye
I'm happy for to see ye home, hurroo, hurroo
I'm happy for to see ye home, hurroo, hurroo
I'm happy for to see ye home,
All from the island of Ceylon;
So low in the flesh, so high in the bone
Oh Johnny I hardly knew ye
Last chorus:
...the enemy never slew ye
Oh, my darling dear you look so queer
Soldiers Get Killed because That`s What War is About
Along as We Wage Wars
Soldiers Kill and Get Killed
I Mean Some one Invades Your Country
The British Prime Minister (May He Rot In Hell)
Joined The American President in Using British
and American Troops to invade a Reasonably
Stable Country
Note The Word Invade
We jointly are Responsible
We Elected These Guys
We Invaded
They`re gonna Try To Kill Us
Just as We are Killing Them
To Free Them
Riddlemeree
Answer this to me
How Free is The Grave
wherein you put me 
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| sniper |
 Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 09:27 AM
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| QUOTE (Sonee @ 11-Aug-2005, 09:19 AM) | | Thank you, Sorbus, you just proved my point. However unintentional it was! |
You are so right sonee. It seems so funny that the liberals act as though they speak from on high yet fall into the well of inequity with their "Hate America First" mantra.
I've always been curious about people that have made their fortune in a country only to turn their back on their homeland when called on to unify against an enemy whose objective is to destroy our very existence.
Personally, I find the motiviations and actions of brainwashed mullahs from undeveloped third world countries to be reprehensible. I can't even imagine anyone with an IQ above a door stop to lend credance to the mindless drivel spewed by a religious fanatic that thinks his/her god wants them to kill other members of god's family and offer them a reward of penile excitement in the hereafter?
What a joke, I mean really. Are we to believe that the religion that indoctrinates their children into a religious frenzy to kill all that don't conform to their beliefs by strapping a bomb pack around their chest only to rejoice in some perverted sexual bordello they call heaven actually has some legitimate point of contention with anyone or any civilization that has advanced beyond the invention of fire?
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Invasion? Yeah, there was an invasion sorbus, an invasion into the 21 century, try to keep up.
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| sniper |
Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 09:52 AM
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| QUOTE (Sonee @ 11-Aug-2005, 08:13 AM) | Glad to have you here, sniper!! Like Shamrock I look forward to hearing more from you!!! Now, onto the subject at hand!
Every soldier who puts on a uniform knows that in times of war he/she has a chance of being killed. They believe in this country and it's freedoms enough to take that chance. Doesn't it negate the sacrifices they make and the risks they take to reduce them to statistics? |
BTW, thank you and scshamrock for the warm welcome, it's refreshing to find intelligence on the internet. I crave stimulating music and conversation and it seems I have found both with this wonderful site.
I have deleted a portion of your comments since I could not agree more empathtically with your perspective and to amplify your comments about negating the sacrifice our troops and their families are making in the war on terror.
That is my point. The media and the bolsheviks are using our dead soldiers to tear down our resolve to win this war. Imagine, if you can, how our media would have been treated in WWII if they had focused on the number of troops being killed at Normandy or Omaha Beach, on the dozens of islands in the Pacific, we were losing tens of thousands of soldiers daily but that wasn't the subject of the news reports, the subject was geared to answer the question; "Are we winning?" "How much ground did we capture?" " How many Germans have we killed or taken prisoner?" These are the questions that matter and yet I can't find these questions anywhere in any media source, it's a tragedy that the enemy is within our own borders, manipulating the simpletons to advance their own anti-American agenda.
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| stoirmeil |
Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 10:26 AM
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Sniper, I welcome you to the discussion boards too. By and large I think we're not in agreement about many things, but that is what makes any discussion move and grow. However, if I may, I'd like to make a respectful request.
Your comment to sorbus a few posts back:
"Invasion? Yeah, there was an invasion sorbus, an invasion into the 21 century, try to keep up."
is really a personal insult, and I hope that isn't something you feel is a necessary part of the process. I think you're making your points strongly and articulately enough without having to cap them off in that way.
Is beag an tigh anns an toill càirdean.
A small house must hold friends.
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| sniper |
Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 11:45 AM
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| QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2005, 11:26 AM) | Your comment to sorbus a few posts back:
"Invasion? Yeah, there was an invasion sorbus, an invasion into the 21 century, try to keep up."
is really a personal insult, and I hope that isn't something you feel is a necessary part of the process. I think you're making your points strongly and articulately enough without having to cap them off in that way.
Is beag an tigh anns an toill càirdean.
A small house must hold friends. |
Thank you for the welcome stoirmeil, and for your perspective about my direct comment to sorbus, however; sorbus' rhyme and accusation of "invasion" is highly insulting and inflammatory.
While I don't expect anyone to agree with me in lockstep, I have studied warfare and understand there is only two sides in war, us and them. Friend and foe. Victor and conquered.
Citizens of the U.S. and thier coalition countries that hold the United States and their coalition with contempt and undermine our efforts to victory are an enemy and are either guilty of treason or sedition, there are no other options. My personal feelings about our soldiers and the way they are being treated by the leftists media in our own country is text book sedition. Those that climb on the "Hate America First" bandwagon resemble the mindless followers that gave Stalin and later Lenin the power to spread their own brand of Islam.
So from my perspective, sorbus launched the first insult and aligned himself with the mullahs in dirty nightshirts.
As I learn to write the gaelic, I would say it is best not to insult a man in his own house. The proverbial house I refer is this thread, which I started.
~~~~~as I click on the Gaelic tab it reveals only the vowels, how would I find the way to write phrases or is that something I must learn?
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| SCShamrock |
Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 11:46 AM
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| QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2005, 11:26 AM) |
Your comment to sorbus a few posts back:
"Invasion? Yeah, there was an invasion sorbus, an invasion into the 21 century, try to keep up."
is really a personal insult, and I hope that isn't something you feel is a necessary part of the process. I think you're making your points strongly and articulately enough without having to cap them off in that way.
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Lynn,
I have to wonder why you felt it necessary to call attention to Sniper's insult (if that's what you call it) and yet you completely ignored Sorbus' wish that our Ally, Prime Minister Tony Blair, rot in hell? This notion of the jelly-spined, weenie-like mentality receiving protection from insult, when at the same time, their anti-American venom is either ignored, or otherwise justified as the holiest of holy's, an opinion, grieves me to no end. It is as if opinion ranks higher on the reality scale than fact does. I think Sorbus deserves a little more of an acidic insult, especially in light of this statement:
| QUOTE | They`re gonna Try To Kill Us
Just as We are Killing Them |
There is no truth in that statement. They are not acting in response, because as Shamalama has so eloquently pointed out on his blog, and in this forum, the Islamo fascists have been attacking freedom and liberty where they find it for generations. Let's not forget that we are not fighting Iraq, but rather the type of vile, hate-filled enemy that exists within it that seeks not only to prevent democracy from taking a strong-hold there, but also to cause pain and suffering in those countries that either enjoy democracy, or that align themselves with those who do. They will continue to seek bloodshed regardless of our military involvement, because there is nothing to suggest that they have turned away from their historically documented modus operandi. Give it time, this mindset of Sorbus' will reveal itself through successive posts.
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| sniper |
Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 11:51 AM
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| QUOTE (SCShamrock @ 11-Aug-2005, 12:46 PM) | | QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 11-Aug-2005, 11:26 AM) |
Your comment to sorbus a few posts back:
"Invasion? Yeah, there was an invasion sorbus, an invasion into the 21 century, try to keep up."
is really a personal insult, and I hope that isn't something you feel is a necessary part of the process. I think you're making your points strongly and articulately enough without having to cap them off in that way.
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Lynn,
I have to wonder why you felt it necessary to call attention to Sniper's insult (if that's what you call it) and yet you completely ignored Sorbus' wish that our Ally, Prime Minister Tony Blair, rot in hell? This notion of the jelly-spined, weenie-like mentality receiving protection from insult, when at the same time, their anti-American venom is either ignored, or otherwise justified as the holiest of holy's, an opinion, grieves me to no end. It is as if opinion ranks higher on the reality scale than fact does. I think Sorbus deserves a little more of an acidic insult, especially in light of this statement:
| QUOTE | They`re gonna Try To Kill Us
Just as We are Killing Them |
There is no truth in that statement. They are not acting in response, because as Shamalama has so eloquently pointed out on his blog, and in this forum, the Islamo fascists have been attacking freedom and liberty where they find it for generations. Let's not forget that we are not fighting Iraq, but rather the type of vile, hate-filled enemy that exists within it that seeks not only to prevent democracy from taking a strong-hold there, but also to cause pain and suffering in those countries that either enjoy democracy, or that align themselves with those who do. They will continue to seek bloodshed regardless of our military involvement, because there is nothing to suggest that they have turned away from their historically documented modus operandi. Give it time, this mindset of Sorbus' will reveal itself through successive posts.
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| stoirmeil |
Posted: 11-Aug-2005, 11:58 AM
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| QUOTE | As I learn to write the gaelic, I would say it is best not to insult a man in his own house. The proverbial house I refer is this thread, which I started.
~~~~~as I click on the Gaelic tab it reveals only the vowels, how would I find the way to write phrases or is that something I must learn? |
Oh, I hear what you are saying, and your opinion is your own, as is his. The only thing I wanted to point out was that the insult was directly to a member, not to the individual or group with which you take issue. His quotation of the song was his comment, but it was not insulting you directly, as far as I can tell. You don't need to know any gaelic  , though I can certainly recommend it as a wonderful thing tr take up. That quote happened to be the saying of the day for the site, and it seemed relevant, so I just included it. Edit -- OK, I didn't see the last few posts in the order they came in on. My point is, the opinions we have such a diversity of often lead us to speak heatedly of many individuals in public office, as well as whole groups. I personally try to avoid this, but I don't have any illusions that everyone wants to hold that policy for him or herself. However, I believe it is best for those of us who are actually participating in the forums to avoid personal attacks, insults, slights, name calling and the like directed to each other. And I don't think it makes all that much difference who started the thread: everybody who responds should feel free to speak their mind, whether they agree with the "master of the house" or not. |
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