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Posted by: dundee 02-Aug-2007, 10:54 AM
i wont give my age but i will say this; i remember the beatles first performance on "the ed sullivan show"

cyn·i·cal (sĭn'ĭ-kəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Believing or showing the belief that people are motivated chiefly by base or selfish concerns; skeptical of the motives of others: a cynical dismissal of the politician's promise to reform the campaign finance system.
2. Selfishly or callously calculating: showed a cynical disregard for the safety of his troops in his efforts to advance his reputation.
3. Negative or pessimistic, as from world-weariness: a cynical view of the average voter's intelligence.
4. Expressing jaded or scornful skepticism or negativity: cynical laughter.


it seem the older i get the more cynical i am becoming. i don't believe it is the #2 definition at all (above) but the other 3 fit me real good.... and it is being cynical of everything (and everybody?) from my job to my past times... it is worrisome.

anybody else of age seem to have this going on? sad.gif cause i really don't like it, yet it is so hard to fight.

Posted by: John Clements 02-Aug-2007, 11:08 AM
dundee, I saw the Beatles on Ed Sullivan’s show too, and believe me, you’re not alone in your skepticism. These days are dark.

Posted by: Madadh 02-Aug-2007, 11:35 AM
Dundee buddy,

Not quite as old ..... but damn close. Although I worry about the times, I feel that they are no worse than my parents had while I was growing up. They had four children of which three were boys. They had a war that killed 58,000 young men over 14 years (appx 4,000 a year). Our Navy was at a constant war footing with the soviet union. Some idiot from the soviet union tried to park missiles in cuba. And worst of all, I wanted to let my hair grow as long as my sisters, wear tie-dyed t-shirts and jeans, and play rock music.

I have had both a daughter and a son in the military. My son spent 16 months as a combat infantryman in both Mozul and Bagdad. His unit lost 2 soldiers killed in that time with 20 more wounded. My youngest has given me a beautiful grandson and an step-grandson. And my wife has survived a bought with Cancer, that would have killed her 40 years ago.

Although I can be cynical about the american voter, I would not go back 40 years for anything.

Buddy have a couple of Guinesses on me beer_mug.gif beer_mug.gif and then chase them down with a smooth single malt. Life is good and red heads abound biggrin.gif

Posted by: rpeirson 03-Aug-2007, 01:39 PM
I too remember when, and have to agree with you about the world getting a wee bit darker. I wonder if that is true as all get older

Posted by: ballydun 03-Aug-2007, 01:48 PM
Maybe as we get older we realize how things have changed and how much better some things were "back in the day". We lose our innocence so to speak.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 03-Aug-2007, 05:37 PM
I think all people have their ups and downs in life and that o.k.
But if you take a good look around you and I mean good look.
Ask yourself, well I'm not an invalid and I have my health ,yes some people at work specially my boss pisses me off but hey! who said life was perfect.
There is people in this world and I'm sure near your home Dundee that are in needs why don't you enroll for volontary work it doesn't have to be hard work but I did it a while back and it does help to more appreciate what you have,mind you I'm not judging you here but if you feel the need to mention it in this forum,well I presume it is because you want to hear the others opinion right? So here it is from me look around you and appreciate what you have and accept the fact that in spite of what is going on in the world today, there is still some beautiful things to discover you know. And its up to you to discover them.

And by the way it is in the heart and head that we stay young and if you start being melancholy you'll get old in no time. Found something interesting to do. The first thing that I did to get rid of those bad vibes is no more T.V only the science program or history, only soft music at home and at work.

Try it and you'll see there are beautiful things in life.


Posted by: TandVh 04-Aug-2007, 02:01 PM
I remember the Beatles on Ed Sullivan- I remember the Red Skelton show, I remember Time Tunnel - all cool television shows!
I remember learning how to ride a bike, I remember wanting a chemistry set for Christmas and not getting it, I remember taking naps in kindergarden, I remember my first kiss-
I wake up everyday and find it amazing that god gave us so much to love and appreciate- more than we can ever percieve! I try to sharpen my perception every new day to take in as much as possible before I go on in this marvelous adventure to experience what's in store fo me after I loose this earthly body.

We only have a moment here!


Posted by: dundee 06-Aug-2007, 01:24 PM
ya know what Lady o A, i do volunteer work.. *S* i give to my charities. but ya know what it doesnt do any good working for a food pantry when you see the same people week after week coming in for their hand outs, not doing anything to change their situation just sucking up what people in real need could use and then complaining about what they get ... definiation #1 Believing or showing the belief that people are motivated chiefly by base or selfish concerns; skeptical of the motives of others...

it doesnt help when the politicians you elect boldly proclaim that they have heard from their constituents on an issue and yet they say "but i know better" (bought out by special intrests) and they are locked into their positions because most people dont listen nor do they remember what they do ... they just complain.

or companies dodge out on people that have been their for 30+ years and manipulate things so they pay them the least amount they can get away with... i can not no i wont hide my head in the sand and pretend this doesnt happen.

good reply TandVh, ballydun, thank you rpeirson.... madadh... always good to hear from you my friend... hope all is well with you and yours. ... john clements ... dark indeed.... as a friend of mine told me this weekend .... "the world is broke"

thus my cynicism...
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Posted by: Lady of Avalon 06-Aug-2007, 03:32 PM
QUOTE (Lady of Avalon @ 03-Aug-2007, 07:37 PM)
I'm not judging you here but if you feel the need to mention it in this forum,well I presume it is because you want to hear the others opinion right?

I can clearly see in your reply to me,first agressivity towards my opinion and secondly that I insulted you. Well Sir I do apologize if I offended you in any way with my words. They were not intended as such.

But I will say this to you though. In my life I've had my share of injustices done to me just because I was an adopted child I won't go into details to you and more.
I don't pretend either that all things are good in the world we live in and certainly don't hide my head in the sand as well. But unlike some I try to see good in bad and turn it to positive it doesn't work all the time but at least I try.

As for volonteer work goes. If this brings frustration more than satisfaction maybe it's time to stop doing it.
I certainly don't want to get cynical when I grow old,life is too short.

Posted by: dundee 06-Aug-2007, 03:56 PM
Lady o A ....

there was no aggression meant toward you , my apologies if that is how it was perceived...

i was just curious if others have been feeling this cynicism as they grow older ... i was just giving you some examples i am sorry.

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 06-Aug-2007, 04:04 PM
Like I said Sir life is too short to feel resentment and loosing energy on it
and again me too apologize because sometimes I feel very strongly about certains things and do not always have the right words.

And since I'm born french canadian my words could be perceived the wrong way too.I try my best in a foreign language.Not always easy.

No offense taken Sir. wub.gif

Posted by: maggiemahone1 06-Aug-2007, 07:50 PM
Yes, I remember seeing the Beatles make their first appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show....what was he alway said, " a really good show" or was it " a really big show" I can't remember! biggrin.gif
Let's face it, the world is much darker than it used to be. I always try to be on the sunny side of life but some days the clouds gather and the sun is blocked, but it does return. I'm thankful for all the blessings I have but I worry what my children and grandchildren will have to endure in their lifetime, especially the grandchildren. Times have changed and not always for the best. Gosh darnit, the music's even changed. note.gif I Want to Hold Your Hand, I Want to Hold Your Hand!!! note.gif wink.gif

Ya'll have a good day! biggrin.gif
maggiemahone1


Posted by: dundee 07-Aug-2007, 08:54 AM
*in best ed sullivan voice*


'and nooooow laaadies and gentlemen right here on our really big shoooe...
singing "i want to hold your hand" ladies and gentlement we cannnceled the be tuls
for this... maggie maaaaahonie ... right here on our realllly big shoooe... wink.gif


sláinte, síocháin



*chuckling*

Posted by: maggiemahone1 07-Aug-2007, 07:10 PM
QUOTE (dundee @ 07-Aug-2007, 09:54 AM)
*in best ed sullivan voice*


'and nooooow laaadies and gentlemen right here on our really big shoooe...
singing "i want to hold your hand" ladies and gentlement we cannnceled the be tuls
for this... maggie maaaaahonie ... right here on our realllly big shoooe...  wink.gif


sláinte, síocháin



*chuckling*

laugh.gif laugh.gif It's not every day that maggie maaaaahonie cancels out the be tuls...

cheers.gif
maggiemahone1

Posted by: John Clements 16-Aug-2007, 03:09 PM
To get back to the subject of age and skepticism, do you think that when one reaches the other side of the hill. One might start questioning all the decisions that one has maid on the assent? I don’t know about anyone else out there, but I can’t help but to regret many of my decisions. Oh yes I know its all water gone under the bridge now, and I guess that’s why I’m so passionate about my beliefs now.
You know, they don’t say oldie but goody for nothing, so hang in there, all.
JC

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 16-Aug-2007, 05:08 PM
QUOTE (John Clements @ 16-Aug-2007, 05:09 PM)
I don’t know about anyone else out there, but I can’t help but to regret many of my decisions.

Tell me John to what purpose one should regret decisions made in the past that nobody can't do nothing about. One cannot go back in time and change them, so why regret and look back,like you say its water under the bridge.

Is it not better to look forward and try not to repeat the bad decisions that was made in the past? Maybe I'm wrong I don't know.Maybe I'm an eternal dreamer
that tries to find happiness in life by looking forward not backwards. smile.gif

Posted by: John Clements 17-Aug-2007, 06:16 AM
QUOTE (Lady of Avalon @ 16-Aug-2007, 06:08 PM)
Tell me John to what purpose one should regret decisions made in the past that nobody can't do nothing about. One cannot go back in time and change them, so why regret and look back,like you say its water under the bridge.

Is it not better to look forward and try not to repeat the bad decisions that was made in the past? Maybe I'm wrong I don't know.Maybe I'm an eternal dreamer
that tries to find happiness in life by looking forward not backwards. smile.gif


Hi Lady of Avalon, some decisions made early in ones life, can loom in ones face, for their entire life. Decisions that can not be corrected, either in the present, or in future. (no matter how hard one try’s.)

And not repeating ones bad decisions, in the pursuit of happiness, is a given. Which is exactly why I sad, that I’m passionate about my beliefs now. In other words, we agree.

Thanks for your thoughts,
JC

Posted by: John Clements 17-Aug-2007, 09:40 AM
Life should be like skiing. You have the most fun on the way down.

Posted by: Richard Bercot 28-Aug-2007, 12:22 PM
I have to say that I remember all those show too.

But to say that you are cynical would not be the proper word. Set in your ways, maybe.

There was a lot of thing back then that I did enjoy but at the same time some of it I would rather stay with modern times.

For I would rather have Bathrooms instead of the Out House I grew up with.
Running water inside instead of 50' out in the front yard.
Electricity instead of the Coal Oil Lamps.

Yes I remember all of those days but I still try to hang on to those things that are simple in life and enjoyable. There is no need to complicate things and constantly rushing around as if they are going to be late. Late to what?

People do not have time for people anymore and this is sad.

So I would say that I am set in my ways but I would not say that I was cynical. wheelchair.gif

So make way, I'm coming through. tongue.gif

Posted by: Donajhi 28-Aug-2007, 01:13 PM
Oh Dundee love, were you seperated at birth from your twin. I could have
written your original post. I remember all.

Posted by: parkers1 03-Sep-2007, 06:31 PM
Let me just say I am old enough to forget most things. Know where you are coming from and especially after being forced into retirement earlier then planned or really should of I find atitudes about evry thing change and one gets real lazy and cynical. The world around us doesn't help for things are a tad over the top all the way around. Hang in there life does get better (or maybe it is attitude)

Posted by: Siobhan Blues 27-Sep-2007, 02:20 PM
QUOTE (dundee @ 02-Aug-2007, 12:54 PM)
i wont give my age but i will say this; i remember the beatles first performance on "the ed sullivan show"

cyn·i·cal      (sĭn'ĭ-kəl)  Pronunciation Key
adj. 

  1. Believing or showing the belief that people are motivated chiefly by base or selfish concerns; skeptical of the motives of others: a cynical dismissal of the politician's promise to reform the campaign finance system.
  2. Selfishly or callously calculating: showed a cynical disregard for the safety of his troops in his efforts to advance his reputation.
  3. Negative or pessimistic, as from world-weariness: a cynical view of the average voter's intelligence.
  4. Expressing jaded or scornful skepticism or negativity: cynical laughter.

it seem the older i get the more cynical i am becoming. i don't believe it is the #2 definition at all (above) but the other 3 fit me real good.... and it is being cynical of everything (and everybody?) from my job to my past times... it is worrisome.

anybody else of age seem to have this going on? sad.gif  cause i really don't like it, yet it is so hard to fight.


Hey, the way I guess someone's age is to ask them who is Paul McCartney. If they say a Beatle, I know we're of the same generation. If they say he had a band called Wings, then that puts them in another group. If they know him as Sir Paul who got snookered by the one legged gold digger, they read too much People magazine. And if they don't know who he is, I immediately give them a crash course in music history because as you and I witnessed, the Beatles changed the world. They were the first super group.

Oh dear, I read your definition of cynical and altho I'm not quite that negative in general I do suspect that all politicians promises especially those regarding campaign finances are poo. And I am world-weary, in the sense that I suspect people don't really change much and few of them aren't going to eventually turn on you in one way or the other.

Posted by: dundee 27-Sep-2007, 03:14 PM
QUOTE (Siobhan Blues @ 27-Sep-2007, 03:20 PM)

Hey, the way I guess someone's age is to ask them who is Paul McCartney.  If they say a Beatle, I know we're of the same generation.  If they say he had a band called Wings, then that puts them in another group.  If they know him as Sir Paul who got snookered by the one legged gold digger, they read too much People magazine. And if they don't know who he is, I immediately give them a crash course in music history because as you and I witnessed, the Beatles changed the world.  They were the first super group.

paul mccartney???


i thought he was in the "quarrymen" not the beatles
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Posted by: cylassie 29-Sep-2007, 05:32 AM
I teach high school and am old enough to be many of the TEACHERS mother. I fight cynicism too and often lose the battle. These kids and their parents SCARE me. I could write for hours . . .

No sense of right and wrong, cheating is NOT wrong . . .
Disrespectful, ungrateful, self centered, unwilling to work for anything except a good time . . .
Insensitive, cynical themselves ......
UNPATRIOTIC, downright hateful about America!
BLAME others and their environment for any short comings, NOTHING is these kids faults, even according to the parents!

I feel like I am seeing the decline of Western Civilization before my eyes every day.

I have to leave soon or I'd go on and on . . .

My kids and I are going to pick up Trash on the Lake for National Public Lands Day because


The days are dark but

[B]One Person CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE

Posted by: John Clements 30-Sep-2007, 11:53 AM
QUOTE (cylassie @ 29-Sep-2007, 06:32 AM)
I teach high school and am old enough to be many of the TEACHERS mother.  I fight cynicism too and often lose the battle.  These kids and their parents SCARE me.  I could write for hours . . .

No sense of right and wrong, cheating is NOT wrong . . .
Disrespectful, ungrateful, self centered, unwilling to work for anything except a good time . . .
Insensitive, cynical themselves ......
UNPATRIOTIC, downright hateful about America!
BLAME others and their environment for any short comings, NOTHING is these kids faults, even according to the parents!

I feel like I am seeing the decline of Western Civilization before my eyes every day.

I have to leave soon or I'd go on and on . . .

My kids and I are going to pick up Trash on the Lake for National Public Lands Day because


The days are dark but

[B]One Person CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE

You’re right of course. One person can make a difference. The only problem is that one person often stands alone, or in a small sphere of influence. And when you compare that to, rampart greed, poverty, illiteracy, and the brake down of the family, you have good cause to be frightened. Of course that not to forget a growing contingent, of law biding citizens. Who now realize, that honesty isn’t the best policy, because it has become more and more obvious. That the powers that be didn’t get where they are, by playing by the rules.

Maybe it’s time to wet that eraser, and wipe the entire blackboard clean.
So keep being cynical, cylassie, because it might be just what saves us.
JC

Posted by: Robert Phoenix 01-Oct-2007, 07:53 PM
If you think the school system is bad you should hear what I had to put up with today in the court system. And to believe I actually use to respect the system in my area.

Posted by: John Clements 05-Oct-2007, 08:18 AM
QUOTE (Robert Phoenix @ 01-Oct-2007, 08:53 PM)
If you think the school system is bad you should hear what I had to put up with today in the court system.  And to believe I actually use to respect the system in my area.

In light of Alberto Gonzales, nothing would surprise me in the pursuit of justice. So if it’s not to complicated, and you don’t mind, just how did the court system fail you?

Posted by: dundee 05-Oct-2007, 09:08 AM
sorry lets keep the politics out of this one please.
i dont go into the political forum for a reason
thanks beer_mug.gif thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Lady of Avalon 05-Oct-2007, 04:52 PM
QUOTE (dundee @ 05-Oct-2007, 11:08 AM)
sorry lets keep the politics out of this one please.
i dont go into the political forum for a reason
thanks beer_mug.gif thumbsup.gif

I agree completely with you dundee....

This topic is about being cynical,old and rinkled,not being able to read without glasses, having people repeat everything cause we can't ear nothing, and thinking of the famous day when we go back to diapers....there is that cynical enough...lol...

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Posted by: John Clements 06-Oct-2007, 01:34 PM
QUOTE (Robert Phoenix @ 01-Oct-2007, 08:53 PM)
If you think the school system is bad you should hear what I had to put up with today in the court system.  And to believe I actually use to respect the system in my area.

Excuse------me, but since when is politics not cynical, and not aloud to be part of, a “general discussion”? And besides, I was just following Robert’s lead. With a funny segue about his experience in the courts, and Alberto Gonzales. But I guess we’ll never know what happened to Roberto that day in court, to make him cynical. (should he have chosen to tell us) which was my question.

Posted by: Robert Phoenix 06-Oct-2007, 05:31 PM
Actually it was the complete rudeness and insensitivity of the Judge and the secretary and the way they dealt with my youngest that really annoyed me. My youngest has ADHD-bad. The school noticed it in fifth grade and pretty much demanded we put him on medication at our expense. He must have been on at least five different types of meds during his school years before we finally said no more. He is now attending an alternative school with no meds and was doing fine. Fast forward to last week. His fines for taking and smashing my car came to $420. No way that he can pay them right away cuz he doesn't have a job and not for lack of trying. I was laid of for three months and I couldn't find anything either. And I have a college degree and 30 years work experience in several fields. He has had his share of troubles including being caught with pot which seems to be quite plentiful in this area.
Anyway, during the session the judge basically told him that he should skip his "friends" school and go back and get a "real" diploma in a "real" school. Then he said that it really didn't matter anyway since he would probably be in and out of jail all his life. This was at 11:00 and he gave my youngest till 3:30 to come up with the $420 or he would make his life miserable.
I had some of the money on me and paid it after court. When I came back later the secretary demanded to know were my youngest was and that he had to come in person to pay the fine. (he was out trying to collect money to no avail. He would have never made the deadline without my help). She took the money but I got the sense (rather strongly) that I was considered yesterdays garbage.
So yesterday I came home from work to find out that the police set him up in a police sting. His friend got arrested and is sitting in jail with a $1000 bond. (I know the kids family-single mom three kids. She won't be able to afford his bond on what she makes). My youngest got wind of it and is so afraid of the judge and jail that he took off. We have no idea were he is and has been missing since last Thrusday night. Police haven't even bothered to notify us and they know about it. We found out second hand. He is suppose to call one of his friends to say he is okay but no word yet. I'm just hoping that he comes home and turns himself in so we can get this past us.
Actually this wasn't the incident that made me so distrustful of the law enforcement in our area. A couple of years ago a girl went missing in town. She knew Tim (my youngest) and so the cops showed up at our house asking if they could look around. We said OK since we have nothing to hide. The cops went up to my kids bedroom. Tim's bed was against the wall and the cop stood on the bed frame to look over the other side of the bed (yea, the one against the wall) for the girl. He ended up breaking the frame of the bed and there wasn't so much as a "I'm sorry" from him. After that they just left. Now I'm sure that there are good cops, and judges, etc. I come from a long line of cops and firemen, military and civilan. I'm just sharing the reason for my disgust for the system in this area alone.
Now you should hear some of the horror stories I have about the school system here.

Posted by: John Clements 08-Oct-2007, 09:00 AM
QUOTE (Robert Phoenix @ 06-Oct-2007, 06:31 PM)
Actually it was the complete rudeness and insensitivity of the Judge and the secretary and the way they dealt with my youngest that really annoyed me. My youngest has ADHD-bad.  The school noticed it in fifth grade and pretty much demanded we put him on medication at our expense. He must have been on at least five different types of meds during his school years before we finally said no more.  He is now attending an alternative school with no meds and was doing fine. Fast forward to last week.  His fines for taking and smashing my car came to $420.  No way that he can pay them right away cuz he doesn't have a job and not for lack of trying.  I was laid of for three months and I couldn't find anything either.  And I have a college degree and 30 years work experience in several fields.  He has had his share of troubles including being caught with pot which seems to be quite plentiful in this area. 
Anyway, during the session the judge basically told him that he should skip his "friends" school and go back and get a "real" diploma in a "real" school.  Then he said that it really didn't matter anyway since he would probably be in and out of jail all his life. This was at 11:00 and he gave my youngest till 3:30 to come up with the $420 or he would make his life miserable.
I had some of the money on me and paid it after court.  When I came back later the secretary demanded to know were my youngest was and that he had to come in person to pay the fine.  (he was out trying to collect money to no avail.  He would have never made the deadline without my help).  She took the money but I got the sense (rather strongly) that I was considered yesterdays garbage.
So yesterday I came home from work to find out that the police set him up in a police sting.  His friend got arrested and is sitting in jail with a $1000 bond.  (I know the kids family-single mom three kids.  She won't be able to afford his bond on what she makes).  My youngest got wind of it and is so afraid of the judge and jail that he took off.  We have no idea were he is and has been missing since last Thrusday night. Police haven't even bothered to notify us and they know about it.  We found out second hand.  He is suppose to call one of his friends to say he is okay but no word yet.  I'm just hoping that he comes home and turns himself in so we can get this past us. 
Actually this wasn't the incident that made me so distrustful of the law enforcement in our area.  A couple of years ago a girl went missing in town.  She knew Tim (my youngest) and so the cops showed up at our house asking if they could look around.  We said OK since we have nothing to hide.  The cops went up to my kids bedroom. Tim's bed was against the wall and the cop stood on the bed frame to look over the other side of the bed (yea, the one against the wall) for the girl.  He ended up breaking the frame of the bed and there wasn't so much as a "I'm sorry" from him.  After that they just left.  Now I'm sure that there are good cops, and judges, etc.  I come from a long line of cops and firemen, military and civilan.  I'm just sharing the reason for my disgust for the system in this area alone.
Now you should hear some of the horror stories I have about the school system here.

Dear Robert, what better reason to be cynical, than politics, religion, the school system, and law enforcement, I mean the school system has become a franchise, not unlike McDonalds, (where everyone must look and be the same, like drug, induced drones, where you dare not draw out side the lines, no matter how unjust those lines may be) and not just where you are my friend, but everywhere, in the “good old US of A”!

As far as law enforcement and the judiciary system is concerned, I’m of the mind that they’re not about protecting and serving us, as much as they are about protecting and serving their pay masters. (you know, the rich, and the want to be rich politicians, who seem to be able to brake the “law” with impunity) In fact, these days, I’m inclined to think that law enforcement and the government is more about extorting us, rater than protecting us. Of course that’s not to paint with such a broad brush, because I know there are still a lot of honest people out there, both in government and in law enforcement who want to play by the rules.

Anyway, I’m so sorry to hear about the bind you and your son are in. I’m not a rich man, but I might be able to be of some help. JC

Posted by: Robert Phoenix 08-Oct-2007, 06:22 PM
Thanks JC for any help. My youngest called one of his friends and he is staying somewhere with some girl he knows. We know he headed west and then got a ride from there so we are guesing hes is in the twin cities. Through this friend we are trying to convince him to come back. Running just makes it worse. He will be back sooner or later. He has no HS diploma, doesn't know his SS number, and doesn't have a birth certificate on him. He won't be able to get any kind of work unless its cash under the table. It's just a matter of time.
But enough stuff about me and my kid. It seems my bad luck streak is finally ending. I can get HR on my internet again, My annoying coworker is now in another part of hte building, and my wife is actually attending church again! I now, I know, hell freezing over and all that. Let's get back to some cynical fun. Take suicide bombers for instance. Now what kind of job is that. Run in screaming, blow yourself up. Boom. Ha! Like to see them do that again.

By the way, when I spent a year in a Lutheran seminary I wrote a three page research paper to prove that hell is freezing over. Got an A-
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Posted by: dundee 09-Oct-2007, 01:14 PM
QUOTE (John Clements @ 06-Oct-2007, 02:34 PM)
Excuse------me, but since when is politics not cynical, and not aloud to be part of, a “general discussion”? And besides, I was just following Robert’s lead. With a funny segue about his experience in the courts, and Alberto Gonzales. But I guess we’ll never know what happened to Roberto that day in court, to make him cynical. (should he have chosen to tell us) which was my question.

cyn·i·cal (sĭn'ĭ-kəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Believing or showing the belief that people are motivated chiefly by base or selfish concerns; skeptical of the motives of others:

sorry but Alberto belongs in the politics forum not roberto.
and i am indeed in this case skeptical of your motives.
i have seen your comments in the aforementioned politics forum.

it was a very crappy segue, would it have been so hard to just ask roberto his experience without the snide comments about Mr. Gonzales?

be well beer_mug.gif

Posted by: John Clements 09-Oct-2007, 02:18 PM
QUOTE (dundee @ 09-Oct-2007, 02:14 PM)
cyn·i·cal (sĭn'ĭ-kəl) Pronunciation Key
adj.

1. Believing or showing the belief that people are motivated chiefly by base or selfish concerns; skeptical of the motives of others:

sorry but Alberto belongs in the politics forum not roberto.
and i am indeed in this case skeptical of your motives.
i have seen your comments in the aforementioned politics forum.

it was a very crappy segue, would it have been so hard to just ask roberto his experience without the snide comments about Mr. Gonzales?

be well beer_mug.gif

If my reference to Gonzales seemed crappy and snide to you, that’s just too bad.

You be well too

Posted by: stoirmeil 09-Oct-2007, 03:07 PM
QUOTE (Robert Phoenix @ 08-Oct-2007, 07:22 PM)

By the way, when I spent a year in a Lutheran seminary I wrote a three page research paper to prove that hell is freezing over.  Got an A-
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Ha ha, yeah, Comparative Religion 101 professors can get so bored they'll reward you for an original paper, no matter what. I did one once when I was a mere slip of a thing, a freshman, on serpent worship and phallic symbolism -- I simply could not decide which major religion to write about, and somebody in the library suggested it with tongue in cheek.

I had a great good time looking up stuff and writing it -- I missed noticing the library guy's cynicism altogether, which is the only real way to travel light: let those who think they need the baggage carry it.

I dunno how we are going to completely segregate the country's politicos and their shenanigans to the politics forum, when they keep spilling out of their boxes and all over our consciousness all the time. rolleyes.gif

Roberto, I do hope all turns out well with the boy eventually and this all will pass, they'll hit the most effective treatment for the learning glitches and more of the solid training that's to his liking, and you'll be laughing about it together some day. No matter how far-fetched it seems today. Sounds like you got lousy treatment from the court -- like nobody who works in a court could have a kid mess up, right? dry.gif

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