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Posted by: Elspeth 23-Mar-2004, 08:31 AM
Since we are an eclectic community here, I thought it might be fun to share what denomination we are and/or have been. Maybe share a little of the beliefs of that denomination and why it is you connect with that particular church.

I grew up in The Church of the Brethren. It is a denomination that began in Germany at the time of the reformation. It was a denomination of the people, mostly farmers. It never had any great leaders like Luther or Calvin so it is little known. They believed in nonviolence and they didn?t believe in government. Hence, they were targets for persecution and emigrated from the area that is now Germany/ Belgium in the very early 1700?s to come to Pennsylvania.

They are cousins to the Mennonites and used to be known by their plain clothes and plain speaking. They didn?t believe in fighting so when the draft came into being, the Brethren church countered with Brethren Volunteer Service. Men of draft age who were conscientious objectors could serve in this instead of the military. In the 50?s my uncle did his service time in BVS, going over to Germany to help rebuild after the war.

Their recipe for living has been said as ? Take your religion seriously; make it practical in everyday matters; don?t force it on others; live at peace with your neighbors, those next door and around the world; work hard; live simply; and always be prepared to lend more than one helping hand to someone in need.

When we began to have children, we wanted them to be able to go to church with the same kids they went to school with. So, we looked for a new church and settled on the one a block away ? Presbyterian. It seemed a good compromise. My husband had been Catholic ? High Church ? and I was Brethren ? very Low Church ? Presbyterian seemed right in the middle.

There are some differences, but not much. One difference is baptism. I was baptized as an adult (13) by immersion. It was seen as a symbol of a person asking Jesus to be the King of their life. My husband was baptized as a baby and later confirmed. My two oldest children were dedicated as babies in the Brethren church and later baptized by sprinkling when we joined the Presbyterian. The younger two were baptized as infants. My oldest son will be confirmed in a few weeks.

It is a little strange sometimes to be of two denominations. I am sad my children probably will never know the experience of baptism by immersion. But I try not to get caught up in the details, the differences. The main point is we all follow the same Lord.

It is funny when I started looked closer at my family tree to find that our choice of the Presbyterian Church seemed to not be such a coincidence. Close to half of my ancestors probably were Presbyterians. So, it feels like I am have embraced two parts of my heritage in the two different churches I have been a member of.

Posted by: maisky 23-Mar-2004, 09:02 AM
This is a good question, ma'am. While many people are in the religion they grew up with, many more of us got where we are indirectly. I was raised LDS (Mormon) until I was 12. At that point, my questioning and seeking truth got me in trouble with the local church leadership. I switched to Episcopal when I started Jr. High in the big city of Blackfoot, Idaho. In college, I studied Islam, Confucism (sp?), Judaism and others. I am now (for 22 years) a Buddhist. Sometimes I think that having the "seeking spirit" is the important part, rather than the destination.

Posted by: Eamon 23-Mar-2004, 11:30 AM
I was raised what my Grandmother called "Irish Catholic" which seemed to mean that we ate fish on Lenten fridays, but didn't go to church much at all. I wandered away from the church and consider myself Chrisitian. Incidentaly, I did try and go back to the church, but during a conversation regarding that issue, the priest told me rather pointedly that he didn't want Catholics of my type attending his church. I was a bit peeved...

Eamon

Posted by: Irish Stepper 23-Mar-2004, 12:27 PM
It's unfortunate, Eamon, that the priest told you that. Unfortunately, it seems fairly common for priests in the Catholic church to not want "part-timers" in their church. They're more worried about the bottom dollar of how much money they bring in a week, and they can't count on the amount of money they get from those who don't come regularly. That "cold shoulder" feel that I'm getting from the Catholic church is starting to turn me off as well...and I actually go regularly and my kids are in school there. It all depends on the church, the priest running it, and the people attending. I actually found a Charismatic Catholic church where the people were very warm and kind, but the priest was not. Don't give up just because of the 1 church. Keep searching!!

Posted by: Shamalama 23-Mar-2004, 12:46 PM
I was raised a Southern Baptist in the US. But during the 80's-90's there was a huge fundamental/conservative uprising within the association, and whereas Baptists have drawn their strength from being a locally autonimous congregation, the "national" and/or "state" body began telling the individual churches what to believe and how to act.

I left the church that I wsa born into, that my parents were born into, that my grandparents were born into, and helped found an independant congregation. While 50% of us were raised Baptist we are a congregation of former Catholics, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodists, Congregationalists, and others. We believe that Jesus gave a new commandment, to love each other as Christ loves us, and that because of such love all will see that we are followers of Christ.

As a matter of fact I am the Music Minister for the congregation. You can find us at http://www.havenfellowship.org/




Posted by: Raven 23-Mar-2004, 01:22 PM
When I was very young I went with my family to a Presbyterian Church, and I guess somewhere around that time they (my mom and dad) began to spiritually search (after a disagreement with the pastor) and so we studied with the Watchtower for a while. Dabbled in buhdism, and various forms of metaphysics. When I went to high school I was intent on playing college and then pro football so I went to a Catholic high school as this school had a great football program. As a result I had 4 years of Catechism. Upon graduation I became a confirm Agnostic but I went to a Baptist church with my older sister and went to their bible studies where I was more of an antagonist than an agnostic wink.gif .

I also took out a fire insurance policy with this church and got baptised. I then continued with my agnostacism until I heard a sermon by a Baptist preacher on the radio about prophesy one day that provoked me to actually read the bible. I started in Genesis and Matthew simultaneously (I found a reading plan reading Old Testament in the Morning and New Testament in the evening) to my wife. We were driving tractor trailers at the time so I would read while she drove (she comes from a Weslyan background)

I started reading the Bible with the attitude of a sceptic and expecting to see all of the contradiction and error that I had heard was in it. 9 months later we finnished the one year program and independantly of each other made the decision to become Christians.

Since that time (1987) I have been on an independant study program that has included reading the Bible New and Old Testament cover to cover more than 10 times (I lost count actually but it is definitely more than 10 tongue.gif ) Systematic Theology, Biblical Apologetics, How science relates to the Biblical account, comparative religion, etc...
Also I have attended Baptist, Penticostal, Full Gospel, Methodist, Weslyan, Nazarene, Charasmatic Independant, the Vineyard, Calvary Chapel and now we attend a Presbyterian Church.

The main thing that I have discovered is that the contradiction and error come from man and his religion, not the Bible. The Bible and real science (real provable science not unsubstantiated theories or postulates) are in perfect harmony, and finally that I am glad that my faith is dependant on what the Bible has to say and what Jesus/God did and is doing for us as opposed to an organization/denomination as I would have left my faith far behind if I had put it in those (no offense to you denominational types wink.gif it's just not my bag baby)

So even though I go to a Presbyterian Church I do not consider myself a Presbyterian it is just a place where I can get along with both the doctrine and the people.

Peace

Mikel


Posted by: tsargent62 23-Mar-2004, 01:29 PM
I'm kind of between churches right now. I was at one time, like Maisky, Mormon. I had fallen away from the church and from God for a time. It was during that period that I met my beloved wife. About 13 years ago we separated, I thought for good. I decided I needed to get back to church, so I found the nearest Mormon church. When we decided to get back together my choice of religeon became a problem. You, see, at the time, my wife looked at the Latter Day Saints (LDS) church as a cult. That's a common misconception. Anyway, she did some research and changed her mind about the church being a cult, but she still was against me going there. In short, I gave up my chosen church to save my marriage. I came from a broken home and didn't want my family to go through that.

So, now we're looking for a church. We went to the same Methodist church for about 12 years, but in the last year or so became real dissatisfied. The people were real friendly, but the number of people that came to church events started to dwindle. My wife and I organized several real fun activities that almost no one showed up for, no matter how many announcements we made. So we stopped going there. So, for now, we're churchless and demoninationless.

Posted by: maisky 23-Mar-2004, 01:37 PM
Well, at least you aren't friendless. We love you anyway. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Eamon 23-Mar-2004, 01:55 PM
QUOTE (Irish Stepper @ Mar 23 2004, 01:27 PM)
Don't give up just because of the 1 church. Keep searching!!

Thanks IrishStepper. It was an interesting exchange, as he told me the Catholic church had not changed in 2000 years. Being a bit of a historian, I reminded him gently about the little event called the Reformation and a more recent thing known as Vatican II. Thats when it became interesting. I belong to the Ancient Order of Hibernians, and there is a great Priest involved in our group who encourages me to go back. I have complete faith, its just the religion that I have some problems with.

Eamon

Posted by: tsargent62 23-Mar-2004, 02:37 PM
QUOTE (maisky @ Mar 23 2004, 02:37 PM)
Well, at least you aren't friendless. We love you anyway. biggrin.gif

Thanks, my friend.

Posted by: Shamalama 23-Mar-2004, 03:07 PM
QUOTE

Eamon: I have complete faith, its just the religion that I have some problems with.


You have no idea just how wise that statement really is. I wholeheartedly agree.


Posted by: MDF3530 23-Mar-2004, 03:26 PM
I am a Catholic. I consider myself a progressive member of the Catholic denomination. I still go to church every weekend (usually Saturday afternoon Mass) and observe the holy days. However, my views on certain issues differ with the more conservative of my religion. I believe that homosexuals should be allowed to marry. I find the Kevin Smith movie "Dogma" hysterical. I believe that if God intended for something to be a sin, then let Him punish them.

Posted by: Eamon 23-Mar-2004, 03:33 PM
Shama, Mike and all;

As you may have noticed, I usually keep to the safe waters of "General Discussion" and the pub, but I felt like I could speak with you fine folks on CelticRadio and you all would understand. I am consistantly and pleasantly surprised by the depth of knowledge and good faith on this site. You guys are great.

Eamon

Posted by: gaberlunzie 23-Mar-2004, 03:43 PM
I've been born into the Lutheran Church in Germany but as we moved often during my childhood and youth we attended to several forms of the Protestants. There have been years when I completely turned away from God and and Christianity but finally came back to the Lutherans.
My guidance is the Holy Bible. I sometimes have my problems with the organisation "church" ( which is led by man) but not with what I'm believing in.

Posted by: oldraven 23-Mar-2004, 05:05 PM
I was raised Christian, or Protestant, I guess, in a Pentecostal church. I went to that church from the first sunday of my life until the day I moved away to go to college. I used to be quite Pentecostal, and extremely blind about it. But what can you do when you're a child with no life experience but take what your pastor says as absolute.

It wasn't until my last pastor, (who looked and acted so much like Ned Flanders it isn't even funny), told me that I should base my faith on what I have found for myself. He also changed the name of the old church I went to from 'Bethel Pentecostal Tabernacle' to 'Bethel Community Church', so others who didn't fit the denomination would feel welcome.

My mother always said "Don't just take someone's word for it. Read it yourself and find out if it's truth." She said that growing up in the Catholic church she had been told not to bother reading the bible, because she would never understand it, and just listen to what the Priest says in mass.

These two people have influenced my faith in a massive way. The final change was when I began dating Angela, and talking to people of all walks of life online. I learned that in order to give my faith any credibility at all, I have to respect all religions, and not to discredit them. After all, all religion is simply theory. There is no definate proof that any one is truth. It's what is truth for you.

So after all that, I can say I'm a Christian. No more, no less. Doctrine seems to be the cause of split after split after split in a faith that should be completely united in worship of God, Christ, and the Holy Ghost, so I'll have no part in it. I find doctrine has more rules than the bible, and that's Man's coruption of something that could be perfect.

Posted by: andylucy 24-Mar-2004, 01:17 AM
As some here may know already wink.gif I am a Roman Catholic. I am of the conservative variety. I am not an "American Catholic" or "cafeteria Catholic." I am not a "traditionalist" Catholic, who rejects the teachings of the Second Vatican Council or the Novus Ordo Mass. I attend Mass on Sundays, and usually go to weekday Mass 2-3 days per week, my work schedule permitting. I partake of the Sacrament of Reconciliation on a weekly basis, being the human sinner that I am. angel_not.gif I pray the Liturgy of the Hours, read the Bible and pray the Rosary daily, and pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy on Fridays. I state these things not to brag of my devotional regimen (which is not as in-depth as I would like), but to demonstrate that orthodox Roman Catholic devotion doesn't limit itself to Sunday Mass, as many would have people believe. biggrin.gif I am also something of a Church apologist, so forgive me if this post sounds like a theological lecture, as that is not the intent. I try to reserve those for the "Independent Theological Scholar's Association" that Raven and I have started. laugh.gif

I am something of an anomaly in secularist America, in that I embrace the totality of the Roman Catholic faith, without reservation. I came to this POV through a long spiritual journey, and as a result of many years of study, analysis and soul searching. I began as a Southern Baptist, however that particular sect left me cold. Not the people, but the theology and getting yelled at every Sunday morning and evening. I knew I was a sinner, and didn't need to be yelled at like a recruit in basic training. As a 9 year old, I was "saved," and baptised, although now I would argue that I was just carried away by emotion (my father had died about 4 months prior to that) and had no clue as to what was going on theologically or spiritually.

I wandered through agnosticism (almost a requirement in the early 80's for physics majors in college laugh.gif ), Buddhism, paganism/druidism, a brief sojourn in the Episcopal Church, and from there, eventually, to the Roman Catholic Church. I was fortunate to room with a guy who was doing his pre-theology studies, prior to entering a Franciscan seminary (now a Franciscan Father in the Holy Land), who had several boxes of Roman Catholic theology books. I read them, at first with a jaundiced eye (especially the ones on Mariology), but gradually, after comparing what all of these books said with what the Bible had to say, I came to see that it all made sense. This part of my journey took place from 1982-1989. Things just sort of stewed for a few years, and I drifted from church to church. I continued to study systematic and dogmatic theology, apologetics, biblical Greek and Aramaic and also to read the writings of the early Church Fathers, such as Tertullian, Ignatius of Antioch, St Polycarp, St Justin Martyr and many others. I didn't go to Mass (even though I felt drawn to it) because my family was so dead set against it. (Unfortunately, my grandmother went to her grave knowing, just knowing, that I was going to hell, because I had "poped.") I even tried going back to the Southern Baptist church I had left earlier, because of a new pastor. Same ol' thing, just with a higher pitched voice, and this guy also liked to pound on the pulpit, once hitting it so hard that he shorted out the sound system! Finally, much to the chagrin of my family, I started attending Mass. That was all it took. It felt like I was coming home. This was also the impetus for my wife and I to start dating, even though we had met at my place of work (me, a dispatcher/firefighter and her a juvenile officer, well, it just sort of clicked). She, as my girlfriend ("that Catholic girl" to my family) provided me with some much needed encouragement during that time.

I asked the parish priest, a cool redneck called Fr. Martin Hayes, who instructed me in the Faith, helping me to see the true sacramental nature of the Church. We met every couple of weeks, for 2-3 hours, and went over what I had learned from my own studies. He really helped me to fill in some of the areas which I had trouble with, like Confession. I had approached him about joining the Church in November 1992, and was received at the Easter Vigil Mass, 1993. Since that time I have become a lector, proclaiming the non-Gospel readings and the Prayers of the Faithful during Mass, as well as being a catechist, teaching our parish's young people the Faith and helping instruct converts in the RCIA program. I have never been happier, spiritually. I look forward eagerly to assisting at Mass, and receiving the Body and Blood of my Lord in the Eucharist. Joy of joys!!

Eamon, I hate to hear that you had a run-in with a less than hospitable priest. The Church needs people of "your type" that is, people who want to worship as Roman Catholics. It sounds like that priest was being judgmental of the fact that you aren't a Sunday morning regular. He seems to forget that while Catholics are bound to assist at Mass every Sunday, they are only canonically bound to come to Mass and Confession during the Lenten-Easter season. I agree with Irish-Stepper, don't let that one bad-tempered priest run you away from the Church. Keep on looking for a parish that suits you.

Though, Eamon, you did state one thing which bothers me.

QUOTE
...he told me the Catholic church had not changed in 2000 years. Being a bit of a historian, I reminded him gently about the little event called the Reformation and a more recent thing known as Vatican II...


Being something of a historian myself wink.gif , the dogmatic foundations of the Church have not changed for 2000 years (down, Raven, down!! laugh.gif ). The Reformation (as much a political event as religious) did not change the theological precepts of the Church, only how she looked at the rest of the world. Vatican II was a pastoral council, which changed ephemeral details of the liturgy, etc, but did not touch the dogma underlying. Vatican I, in 1870, which defined papal infallibility as dogmatic, was the last time any dogma was defined. The Real Presence in the Eucharist, for example, the most important belief in the Church, has remained unchanged since Apostolic times (back, Raven, back!! biggrin.gif ).

Oh, Elspeth. I believe you stated in another forum that you wanted to know how I got from Southern Baptist to Roman Catholic. There y'are, m'dear!

Whew. I don't think I've ever written this much about my faith journey before. Hope y'all weren't bored to tears or offended by it! laugh.gif

Pax Christi vobiscum.

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Posted by: Elspeth 24-Mar-2004, 05:20 AM
Well, this is way cool. cool.gif

When I said we were an eclectic community, I didn't realize how eclectic we were individually. biggrin.gif

I found myself agreeing with so many things. What I like about our Presbyterian church we attend is that probably half of the congregation, or more was not raised Presbyterian. It makes for a richer community in my opinion.

And andy, you said you had problems with confession. It's strange, but one of the things about the Catholic Church that I like is the confession. At least I think I would. There have been times I wanted to go to confession, but as a non-Catholic I didn't think I would be welcome. I certainly wouldn't know the protocal. rolleyes.gif

Thanks for sharing all.

I have been in a church of my forefathers. It was difficult for some when we left it. My mother really is hung up on the baptism issue and my sister told me it was like we were deserting a dying friend when I said we needed a more vibrant community to raise our children in. Presbyterianism is far from perfect. But a great deal of what you get from a church is what you put into it. Faith and belief are one thing. Church another. At least for me. Church is the place Christains gather, are fed and restored, are challenged and work together as a body for the good of the Lord. Faith and belief is a personal realtionship between the one and the Lord. That can happen anywhere. I, for one, have always been closer to God on a hilltop than in a church.

Posted by: andylucy 24-Mar-2004, 05:27 AM
Really, the problem I had with confession was a purely human one- I was ashamed to admit my sins to another human. Fr. Marty showed me that the priest is acting in alter Christus, dispensing the absolution. That, and he assured me that there was nothing that I could possibly confess that he hadn't heard before. laugh.gif

Actually, that is what I like about confession now. It forces me to be humble. It forces me to vocalize my sins and misdeeds to another, which makes me much less likely to commit them again, a practical "plus" for confession. Plus, the assurance of absolution is comforting. biggrin.gif

Andy

Posted by: Elspeth 24-Mar-2004, 05:44 AM
Yeah, that's what I like about the idea of confession. I think the Catholic Church should have 'open confession' night for all of us Protestants who would like the same unburdening to another who we knew had to keep their mouths shut afterwards. biggrin.gif

Posted by: MDF3530 24-Mar-2004, 05:23 PM
When I do go to confession, I always go into the confessional with the screen. I want something, however scant, between my face and the priest's hand biggrin.gif .

Posted by: andylucy 25-Mar-2004, 01:13 AM
I've tried face-to-face confession, and it makes me just too uncomfortable. I prefer the old style confessional, with the screen. The absolution is just as valid and there isn't the uncomfortableness of having the priest look you in the eyes while you are confessing.

I don't mind being humbled when going to confession. Like I said, it helps to keep me honest between confessions. angel_not.gif But I find with face-to-face confession, I am trying to read what the priest is thinking, instead of concentrating on my sins.

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Posted by: RavenWing 25-Mar-2004, 09:04 AM
Some of this may seem like TMI, but is is a part of my journey.

My Story:

My father was a very devout Catholic. He went to mass and Eucharistic adoration daily. He was also a member of the Knights of then Immaculata and the Knights of Columbus. My mother, who had previously been married, and had my brother had converted from Methodism when she married my father. The first 5 years of my life were spent as a very devout catholic. I was born on August 15, which some of you may know is the Feast of the Assumption of Mary in to Heaven, so I went to mass every year on my birthday. That also explains my name: Mary Elizabeth. I remember one year we had a birthday party for me which included Mass in our backyard with the priest at our church.

My mother ended up cheating on my father with a very high profile member of the church, and getting pregnant with my little sister, and they divorced. I went to live with her and ner new husband. They were basically kicked out of the church after that, and went from one catholic church to another and dragged me along in the process. I continued to go to various Catholic schools, depending on what church they were attending, and a couple public schools thrown in there for money reasons, and completed every sacrament but Confirmation.

They ended up in the charismatic catholic movement and stayed there for a while. Then a friend had introduced them to a HUGE Southern Baptist Church. They converted, and dragged me there as well. This was a very "charismatic" chucrch run by a few pastors. All I saw from them was their fancy houses and shiny new expensive cars and all I could think was that they were doing nothing but milking money out of these people. My mom and stepfather pulled me out of the school I was attending, and enrolled me in the school at this Southern Baptist Church. It went from preschol to the college they had just started. I absolutely hated it. I firmly held onto my catholic beliefs, and was told the whole time that I was wrong, that I was resacrificing Christ when I took communion during the weekends I was visiting my father.

I did do the full immersion baptism to please my mother and step father. And they remained at that church for quite a few years with only 1 brief stint back at the catholic church.

I went to live with my dad and started going back to the Catholic church, and was very active in CYO. I did community work with them and was very happy. I ended up moving back with my mother and stepdad. They were going to a Non Denominational church at the time which I percieved to be a smaller version of the Southern Baptist church. They had a school of the prophetic and were very over the top on things. They also liked to tell me I was wrong and going to hell for being a Catholic. I finally convinced my parents that I was old enough to go to church on my own ( I am not sure how I did that) and started going to the local catholic church with some fiends of mine. That lasted until I went to college.

I started going to the Newman Center at my college and eventually stopped because of time constraints and studying. I left school and continued to stop going. When I went back to school for Anthropology I started seeing the similarities between the different religions of the world. I also wondered how with so many people in the world that there could only be one way to "heaven". I have continued that train of though ever since.

I basically introduced myself to Wicca. I decided to read about it to see if it was actually what I thought it was or not. I found out that it was not full of satanic-blood-drinking-baby-sacrificing-goaheaded people. I sterted practicing after a coupe years of study.

I still have a fondness for catholocism, I still have all of my dad's rosaries and scapulas (sp). I have all of his books and statues too. I just do not practice anymore. I describe my beliefs as being MORE than christianity. I share many of their beliefs, but I also believe things from many other religions.





WOW!! This is my longest post ever! biggrin.gif

Posted by: kelaorqu 25-Mar-2004, 09:31 AM
Hey everyone
I grew up in a pretty conservative Christian Reformed Church. After some issues we left and moved to an even more conservative church called the United Reformed. Though I find much of their doctrine beautiful, (contrary to popular belief, most of the doctrine of the church simply ties the whole Bible together and is more philosophical then a set of added rules by the church. All of the doctrine in this church was Biblically based.) I simply was not finding God. I mean, it's one thing to have head knowledge, but totally another to put into practice.

I have been raised in such a way that christianity is important and crucial, but you don't go up to random people and say, so what's Christ doing in your life today! Anyway, I went on a mission trip to Romania a few years ago and it was extremely interesting to see all the different background denominationally anyway. I had never heard of people running laps around the church because they are filled with the Holy Spirit, or speaking in tongues! The one thing I did love about many people, however, was the fact that Christ radiated in every part of their life.

Right now I play piano for a Presbyterian church. I really like it there and the people are absolutely wonderful, though I still "church searching". I agree with the general concensus that the church is fairly corrupt and too many times turns people away from Christ rather than too.. In the end, the Bible is the Truth, not the Church

Posted by: Eamon 25-Mar-2004, 10:31 AM
QUOTE (andylucy @ Mar 24 2004, 02:17 AM)


Eamon, I hate to hear that you had a run-in with a less than hospitable priest. The Church needs people of "your type" that is, people who want to worship as Roman Catholics. It sounds like that priest was being judgmental of the fact that you aren't a Sunday morning regular. He seems to forget that while Catholics are bound to assist at Mass every Sunday, they are only canonically bound to come to Mass and Confession during the Lenten-Easter season. I agree with Irish-Stepper, don't let that one bad-tempered priest run you away from the Church. Keep on looking for a parish that suits you.

Though, Eamon, you did state one thing which bothers me.



Being something of a historian myself wink.gif , the dogmatic foundations of the Church have not changed for 2000 years (down, Raven, down!! laugh.gif ). The Reformation (as much a political event as religious) did not change the theological precepts of the Church, only how she looked at the rest of the world. Vatican II was a pastoral council, which changed ephemeral details of the liturgy, etc, but did not touch the dogma underlying. Vatican I, in 1870, which defined papal infallibility as dogmatic, was the last time any dogma was defined. The Real Presence in the Eucharist, for example, the most important belief in the Church, has remained unchanged since Apostolic times (back, Raven, back!! biggrin.gif ).



Andy, good post. What you said about the 'dogmatic foundations' of the Church I agree with, and the Preist (we will call him Father cool.gif was quick to point that out. We were going at it pretty heavy at that point (and to think I visited with him to get his blessing to come back to the Church!)

I kept going to that Church, but wouldn't take communion. We would glare at each other, to the utter glee of Father McGlaughlin (who had heard of our verbal reparte). I intend to keep trying, and to keep a good attitude about it, but it did cause quite a stir when it happened. Father B finally got his own Parish, and headed to North Philadelphia. I still see him occasionally.

I intend to keep trying, but my faith is more important to me, and I keep that strong.

Eamon

Posted by: andylucy 25-Mar-2004, 03:11 PM
QUOTE (Eamon @ Mar 25 2004, 10:31 AM)
I intend to keep trying, but my faith is more important to me, and I keep that strong.

Don't let the liberal/secularist/money grubbing bent of many clergy these days keep you from the Church. The times, they are a-changing, and the current crop of seminarians are generally more devout and orthodox than they have been for 40 years. Praise God! As to your quest and determination to prevail, all I can say is "Huah!!"

I'll say a prayer to St. Joseph for you, man! Keep the faith!

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Posted by: Eamon 25-Mar-2004, 03:29 PM
QUOTE (andylucy @ Mar 25 2004, 04:11 PM)
Don't let the liberal/secularist/money grubbing bent of many clergy these days keep you from the Church. The times, they are a-changing, and the current crop of seminarians are generally more devout and orthodox than they have been for 40 years. Praise God! As to your quest and determination to prevail, all I can say is "Huah!!"

I'll say a prayer to St. Joseph for you, man! Keep the faith!

Just my tuppence.

Andy

Thanks Andy! I do appreciate it!

Eamon

Posted by: CelticRose 25-Mar-2004, 09:59 PM
Well I spent the first 25 years of my life as a Catholic. Then I turned away from God altogether. I just got to the place that I did not believe anymore. But then it didn't stop there. I couldn't help believe in something bigger than me! I started reading about as many different religions as I could. As a result, I became a Christian. I did so because I personally believed the historcity of Jesus Christ and the Bible. I believed in the writings of Josephus, the Jewish historian of that day, and it went from there. I finally came to the conclusion that Christ was either who he said he was or he was the craziest man on earth. I chose to believe He was Son of God. I now attend a non-denominational church called the "Christian" church. It is much like the Baptist church if you wanted to compare it to another.

Posted by: ChuckDenton 04-Apr-2004, 12:59 AM
I was born and raised Catholic. Cradle Catholic. Happy to be a Catholic. But my flavor of being Catholic is very different than my kids. I was raised in the Kennedy - era. I remember watching John Kennedy being sworn in on TV in the First grade. Didn't understand it then, but I was gradually brought up to appreciate it all. And glad that I did. My kids have not gotten the benefit of the daily immersion to the faith that we cussed and griped about daily. But you know, it was for the best. My faith now is very traditional and very strong. I look each day in the eye and challenge myself to take whatever comes at me, because I have The Trinity to help me through, and all of God's saints in Heaven that I can call on to pray for me. I have the benefit of the spirit of my dad, and my wonderful Grandparents as well as 2 children working to protect me and my surviving family here on earth, until the day comes that we can all be together in Heaven to worship God asa family again. I know that is going to happen. I truly do!

Was that a rant or what???

Posted by: andylucy 04-Apr-2004, 02:25 AM
QUOTE (ChuckDenton @ Apr 4 2004, 12:59 AM)
Was that a rant or what???

Nope. It was a well articulated statement of faith. Huah! God bless!

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 04-Apr-2004, 10:50 PM
Hummm...let me think...Right now and for the past 15 years I haven't had a denomination. I was raised Baptist from the age of 4 years. But about the age of 8 all alone in my mother's bedroom around 10:00 at night I cried out to Jesus to come into my heart and life and be my Lord and Savior. Since then I have had a personal relationship with God/Jesus Christ. I say personal because "I" personally asked Jesus Christ into my life---to forgive me of all my sins and be my Savior. The Lord has proven Himself to me time and time again. He revealed His love to me as a young child in such a powerful way. At the time, I was going through something so horrible---I was being sexually molested by a family member. My world was upside down and when I called out to Jesus in a time of desparation, He took my pain and gave me His heart and He has never let me go!

When I was 19, I started attending an Assembly of God church. It was O.K. But when I started a non-denominational church, I loved it. Right now I attend a non-denominational church called "Generation Church." This is the best church I've ever attended. The people are so lade back and real. We believe the Bible is literal and relivant. We believe in the Apostle's Creed. We believe in the Full Gospel, being Spirit-filled and that God still heals and performs miracles. In addition, we don't believe in turning inward and getting fat, but taking what the Lord has given us and pouring it out unto others. Generation Church is very community minded. I've worked or done more things in this church than all the other churches combined I've belong to (which is a lot). Well is this all I have to say...for the moment. angel_not.gif

Posted by: Elspeth 06-Apr-2004, 07:28 AM
Roisin,

I am so sorry you had a difficult childhood, but so thankful you found Jesus right when you needed him most and that He has been the center of your life since.

Elspeth

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 06-Apr-2004, 07:45 AM
QUOTE (Elspeth @ Apr 6 2004, 07:28 AM)
Roisin,

I am so sorry you had a difficult childhood, but so thankful you found Jesus right when you needed him most and that He has been the center of your life since.

Elspeth

Thanks Elspeth. But those times of adversity make us stronger when we give them to Jesus. I can truly say He is my Salvation---without His Grace I dare not think where I would be today.

Roisin angel_not.gif

Posted by: MacEoghainn 06-Apr-2004, 05:00 PM
I'm Baptist by choice (not sure whose, mine or his). smile.gif

MacE

Posted by: Cutellamagirl 09-Apr-2004, 12:27 PM
I am a member of a Congregational church that is currently part of the wider denomination the United Church of Christ. I enjoy the open-mindedness and democracy of my denomination quite a bit. smile.gif And a fascinating bit of information is that Congregationalism is the denomination that came to America onboard the Mayflower with the Pilgrims. It is the congregational church that influenced (partly) the constitution of the United States of America; the members of the Congreational church vote on basically everything, and usually with much success!
Much love and many happy thoughts to you,
Steph

Posted by: RavenWing 09-Apr-2004, 12:30 PM
QUOTE (Cutellamagirl @ Apr 9 2004, 06:27 PM)
I am a member of a Congregational church that is currently part of the wider denomination the United Church of Christ. I enjoy the open-mindedness and democracy of my denomination quite a bit. smile.gif And a fascinating bit of information is that Congregationalism is the denomination that came to America onboard the Mayflower with the Pilgrims. It is the congregational church that influenced (partly) the constitution of the United States of America; the members of the Congreational church vote on basically everything, and usually with much success!
Much love and many happy thoughts to you,
Steph

Hello!

My in-laws belong to a UCC Church. The funny part is when people mistake it for a Church of Christ. It's not a bad church. I bake all kinds of stuff for their yearly bake sales and things.


Posted by: Raven 09-Apr-2004, 01:09 PM
Would anyone think that I am an incorribale smart alec if I said that I am a $10 bill?? unsure.gif

Posted by: maisky 09-Apr-2004, 05:13 PM
Not at all, Sir Raven. I have known many nice $10 bills. biggrin.gif

I am an Buddhist, myself. I am a member of the Soka Gakkai international and have been for 22 years. I enjoy the results oriented practice and the warm non-discriminatory comradarie of the members, world wide.

Posted by: CelticRose 10-Apr-2004, 04:48 PM
Wow! So neat to see what everyone believes and where we all come from and why! Hope more will share too! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: wizardofowls 18-Apr-2004, 01:52 PM
Hello all!

I was rasied in the Church of God but am now attending a Pentecostal Holiness church. (Yes, I'm what people call a "Holy Roller"! biggrin.gif ) Anyway, I'm glad I found this place (Or I should say that Rose led me here! wink.gif ) and hope that you are all doing well.

God bless!

Posted by: MacEoghainn 18-Apr-2004, 02:22 PM
QUOTE (wizardofowls @ Apr 18 2004, 02:52 PM)
Hello all!

i was rasied in the Church of God but am now attending a Pentecostal Holiness church. (Yes, I'm what people call a "Hoy Roller"!  biggrin.gif  )

I've attended services in "Holy Roller" Churches and lived to talk about it. smile.gif As long as no one starts handling snakes unsure.gif I wouldn't have a problem attending again in the future ( though services are a little wilder than I am used to, was baptized in an "Independent-Fundamental-Bible-Believing (KJV only) Baptist Church"). The only way I could see that I could have joined a Church more conservative would be joining the Church of some of my German ancestors: The Church of the Brethren (aka Dunkards).

MacE

Posted by: Elspeth 19-Apr-2004, 06:16 AM
Hey MacE - I am from the Church of the Brethren! Have we had this disussion before? Maybe in the geneology thread? Am I having a senior moment? It's funny, in ways the Presbyterian Church we go to now makes the Brethren church I grew up in seem wild.

E

Posted by: Crowned1 19-Apr-2004, 02:40 PM
I am non-denominational.
What I believe is that having a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ is what Christianity is all about. I believe that the only for man to reach God is through that personal relationship. There is simply no other way by which man can be saved. I believe that the Bible is the inerrant and inspired by God. I also believe the Bible literally.

Yep... simple as that! I love Jesus!

I strongly believe that the local Church is a very important institution. However, I do not agree with the whole different idea of denominations. Like some of the other posters have said, I feel that much doctrine and "religion" is a corruption of something that God intended to be very simple. So much of what we fuss about will not matter for eternity, and that is the area that God is concerned with.



~Crowned One king.gif
(PM me if you want to talk more about what I think! I would be happy to explain any of my ideas to you!)

Posted by: MacEoghainn 19-Apr-2004, 05:26 PM
QUOTE (Elspeth @ Apr 19 2004, 08:16 AM)
Hey MacE - I am from the Church of the Brethren! Have we had this disussion before? Maybe in the geneology thread? Am I having a senior moment? It's funny, in ways the Presbyterian Church we go to now makes the Brethren church I grew up in seem wild.

E

Hey E,

Yes we have had this discussion before over in the Genealogy Forum. We were talking about Dunkards and Pennsylvania Dutch. My great-great-great-grandfather Fortney was a pastor of a Brethren Church in West "By God" Virginia ( I apologize for possibly taking the Lord's name in vain).

As I get older I have more and more senior moments all the time.

What the heck is my name.............................................................................
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Oh, I remember,

MacE smile.gif

Posted by: MacEoghainn 19-Apr-2004, 06:06 PM
QUOTE (Crowned1 @ Apr 19 2004, 04:40 PM)
I am non-denominational.
What I believe is that having a personal relationship with God through Jesus Christ is what Christianity is all about. I believe that the only for man to reach God is through that personal relationship. There is simply no other way by which man can be saved. I believe that the Bible is the inerrant and inspired by God. I also believe the Bible literally.

Yep... simple as that! I love Jesus!

I strongly believe that the local Church is a very important institution. However, I do not agree with the whole different idea of denominations. Like some of the other posters have said, I feel that much doctrine and "religion" is a corruption of something that God intended to be very simple. So much of what we fuss about will not matter for eternity, and that is the area that God is concerned with.



~Crowned One king.gif
(PM me if you want to talk more about what I think! I would be happy to explain any of my ideas to you!)

Crowned1,

As I see it Christ is God's way of communicating with mankind (womankind for the Ladies and peoplekind for those who may wish to be politically correct) and religion is man's feeble attempt to explain/communicate with God.

The real question of choosing a Church is what does that Church stand for and what does it leadership believe, not what denomination or sect it is.

Since this site is about things Celtic I'll use a good Celt as an example of what I think a Church and Christians should stand for: "Lorica of Saint Patrick" (St Patrick's Morning Prayer) is a good starting point (though some of the references mentioned are a little dated, and I'm sure we could have a huge discussion on the meaning and composition of the Trinity). Here's a website with the complete Prayer: http://www.ewtn.com/Devotionals/prayers/patrick.htm

Here's my favorite part of the Prayer (this is also our fellow CelticRadio member kelaorqu's signature):

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit down,
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks of me,
Christ in the eye that sees me,
Christ in the ear that hears me.

MacE


Posted by: Crowned1 19-Apr-2004, 07:21 PM
I agree wholeheartedly, MacE. The way I think about it is that the Church is the people, the Body of Christ. This spans all cultures, races, and ideologies. The Church is not contained in a building on the corner of Trade Ave. and Second St. What is important about a local congration is, as you said, what the people believe. There are fundamental truths about Christianity that you will find wherever there is a gathering of members of the Body of Christ.
~Crowned One king.gif

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 20-Apr-2004, 12:10 AM
I'll second that!!! We who have been purchased by His blood, death, and resurrection are baptised into one body---His body. We have become His hands, feet, and voice here on the earth. If we love Christ then we will become one of His followers (disciples), and if we are one of His followers then we are a Christian---Plain and simple.

I love St. Patrick's morning prayer it is one of my favorites right after St. Francis of Asissi's (and I'm not Catholic).

Peace,
Be God's and be blessed,
Roisin angel_not.gif

Posted by: dfilpus 08-Jul-2004, 07:21 AM
I was baptized and raised Lutheran. In the Upper Midwest of America, the Lutheran churches were split up into denominations derived from the nationality of the emigrants who founded the church. I was baptized in a Finnish Lutheran church, attended a Norwegian Lutheran church for confirmation and was a Boy Scout in a German Lutheran church. Eventually, most of the churches united into one Lutheran denomination, but there were petty political fights all along.

I attended Sunday School, worked as a altar boy, sang in the children's choir and earned the Lutheran religious award in Boy Scouts by writing a hstory of the Lutheran churches in the area and their mergers splits and fights. While I was in college, my parents, who had been on the church council and taught Sunday School, joned with a group of dissidents who wanted to get rid of the pastor of the church. They eventually went into "exile", attending another church until the bishop stepped in and the pastor took a transfer to a different church.

All this politicking left a bitter taste in my mouth and I stopped attending church for years. I was still religious, but did not attend or join another church for several decades. I married a staunch Roman Catholic girl and agreed to raise our children in the Roman Catholic tradition. I have not joined the Roman Catholic Church, because of a minor theological point. I attend mass regularly, not joining in all of the Catholic sacraments. I chaperone on youth trips. I go to my parent's Lutheran church a couple of times a year.

We have reached a stable balance. My wife and I are active in the local Catholic church. My parents and brothers are active in their Lutharan Churches. One of my brothers married a lapsed Catholic, who joined the Lutheran church, so we balance.

Posted by: Aragorn 08-Jul-2004, 10:46 AM
Well I am non denominational, I was raised pentacostal and we used to go to many different churches. I searched the whole Bible trying to find where Jesus talked about denominations and never found any, of course I knew I would not. I believe we are all part of one family and divisions are made when people take sides or pick certain groups to associate themselves with. I believe people subconsciously judge others by their affiliations and this can adversely affect their views. I beleive what I beleive and that is what counts.

Posted by: aklassie 12-Jul-2004, 02:51 PM
I belong to the body of Christ. I think denominations only serve to separate us. I don't like it when, say a baptist puts down a pentacostal or any other person, because they don't believe the same way as the they do. (Im not against baptist, it's just an example) To me that's judging. I love all christians and to me they are all my brothers and sisters. The most important thing is that we all believe in Chirst. I've seen it done, and I've done it in the past it's so wrong.

Posted by: CelticRose 12-Jul-2004, 03:19 PM
I totally agree with you, aklassie! we are all one in Christ!

Posted by: Siobhan Blues 16-Jul-2004, 11:27 AM
In my heart of hearts, I am a Christian, forever in awe of a Creator God who not only made this beautiful world but found a place in it for me to live & love & be of service to others as well as Him.
My allegiance is to Jesus Christ. But as a little Southern gal I do attend a Baptist church in my town. The pastor preaches from the Bible and is good at showing how the scriptures are relevent to our lives, but the Baptist denomination in general tends to be a bit narrow-minded in some areas... overall the good outweighs the negative, and in principle it seems to be in line with the scriptures. About the worst I can say regarding my own church is that a LOT of those people think you're not a Good Christian unless you're there every single time the door is opened! My God and I got that issue cleared up looong ago, and He has plenty of work for me to do in many places... guilt trips from church people rolls off my back like water off a duck. Quack quack!

Organized religion gets a bad rap these days, but it has its purpose: to be a place where believers can get together & encourage & support each other.

Posted by: Roisin-Teagan 16-Jul-2004, 07:35 PM
QUOTE (Siobhan Blues @ 16-Jul-2004, 11:27 AM)


Organized religion gets a bad rap these days, but it has its purpose: to be a place where believers can get together & encourage & support each other.

Hey S. Blues...Here, here! I couldn't have said that any better.

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Posted by: dfilpus 17-Jul-2004, 09:44 AM
QUOTE (aklassie @ 12-Jul-2004, 03:51 PM)
I belong to the body of Christ. I think denominations only serve to separate us. I don't like it when, say a baptist puts down a pentacostal or any other person, because they don't believe the same way as the they do. (Im not against baptist, it's just an example) To me that's judging. I love all christians and to me they are all my brothers and sisters. The most important thing is that we all believe in Chirst. I've seen it done, and I've done it in the past it's so wrong.

Agreed. I have seen Christians breaking up into little sects and fighting over the littlest things.

However, the most common reason for breaking away is that the main group is seen as having drifted from the "True Faith". As long as churches teach that there is only one "True Faith", there will be factionalization.

Posted by: krmsmax 30-Jul-2004, 08:33 AM
I was raised Lutheran and did some church hopping when I was a teenager. I found myself gravitating back to the Lutheran denomination. I don't think that it matters what church you attend. The whole purpose of the churches is to bring believers together as a family to support and help each other and to support missionary outreach so that all may know the word.

Posted by: deckers 20-Aug-2004, 12:31 PM
QUOTE (Siobhan Blues @ 16-Jul-2004, 12:27 PM)
About the worst I can say regarding my own church is that a LOT of those people think you're not a Good Christian unless you're there every single time the door is opened!

My wife's old Nazarene church was the same way. And someone basically said to me that I should be in church on Sunday night and Wednesday night as well.

So I said , "Does that mean if you sit in my garage you're a car?" Then I followed it up with "If we're supposed to be in favor of family values, doesn't it make sense that I do things to spend time WITH my family, not away from them?"

This seemed to upset the other person. Huh. Guess some people are funny that way. wink.gif



Erik "Don't mess with me, I'm a Philosophy major" Deckers

Posted by: Ceciliastar1 20-Aug-2004, 12:42 PM
I was raise avery strong Roman Catholic. I know what believe. I was homeschooled for six years and then I went to private Christain School, which was mostly Catholic. I am now about to graduate from a very Catholic College. I am still Catholic....sort of. I know what I beleive. I will fight to the death for my faith. I have stopped going to Church. Where I live right now I hate the Churches. They priests are terrible and so are the people. I have been condemned to Hell (to my face) for doing things they think are evil - I like Harry Potter = evil, I want to work in Hollywood to make good movies not preachy movies = evil, I show public displays of affection (a kiss, or hand holding) to my boyfriend = evil, I watch R rated movies= evil.... Ya'll get the point. I think once graduate and move out of here and find a church that I like I will pobably become a full practicing Catholic agan. I love my faith, but there can be so many people who make it easy to understand why there are so many non-Cathlics. I'll tell you!

Posted by: CelticRose 20-Aug-2004, 12:55 PM
That surprises me Celiastar! I was a Catholic for 25 years and I always found my church to be much more liberal than that. I am not doubting you, but just thought the Catholic church had changed. I guess I am wrong. I am a protestant now and there are those who are very legalistic and some of us........like me..........who are much more tolerant of others and their beliefs. However, there are things about the Catholic church that I really do love and miss. I miss the worshipful masses. I am so sorry to hear that you are experiencing a very bad time with your parrish right now.

I have a very strong Christian friend who is an aspiring actress in Hollywood. It is possible. Do what your heart tells you. I am sure that God is with you whatever path you take. smile.gif

Posted by: cori 20-Aug-2004, 05:43 PM
Just Christian. In Antioch, the followers of Christ were given the name in scorn, but received it with joy because it means simply "little Christ". Though I do not presume a great likeness to Christ, that is my goal and hence I consider it my denomination.


Leslie




Posted by: Avonlea22 20-Aug-2004, 05:52 PM
Raised as a Methodist Christian (not by choice) , but currently practicing Agnostic.

Posted by: MacAibhistin 22-Aug-2004, 09:30 PM
My ancestors were Presbyterian. I was raised Pentecostal, but now I attend a Church of Christ. I love their approach to faith. It is Christ centered, realistic, and not overly legalistic and preachy.

Posted by: CelticRose 22-Aug-2004, 09:41 PM
Mac! I was saved in a Church of Christ................really loved that church and then I moved out of state and have not found one like it since. It was a truly wonderful church. I have not found a church like it since!

Posted by: MacAibhistin 23-Aug-2004, 11:10 PM
Ah, that's cool! Well, I really like our church. We didn't have any Church of Christs back in Nova Scotia. I hear they sing accapella in most of them, but being in the North, we tend to make our own rules, and we have some really good musicians to lead worship.

Posted by: CelticRose 24-Aug-2004, 04:05 PM
Well the Church of Christ that I attended made its own rules too and we had wonderful musicians that played to our singing and worship time too! thumbs_up.gif I have never found another Church of Christ like that since!

Posted by: OriginalGhirl 30-Aug-2004, 08:32 PM
I am Presbyterian from a long line of Presbyterians. For more information about this denomination check out http://www.pcusa.org

My original ancestors who came to the US were some of the first Presbyterians in Scotland known as Covenanters. They got arrested for handing out leaflets about their meetings and were thrown into Tolbooth Prison in Edinburgh. After about two weeks they were brought to trial but got off with a light sentence. They were sent to the Eastern Shore of Maryland as indentured servants instead of being executed. I'm 13th generation American and Presbyterian. biggrin.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 31-Aug-2004, 01:50 PM
Wow! OriginalGhirl! What a very interesting history you have there! One of my great-grandmothers was an indentured servant too. She has a Scottish surname, but have not been able to prove much more than that.

Posted by: OriginalGhirl 31-Aug-2004, 09:18 PM
QUOTE (CelticRose @ 31-Aug-2004, 02:50 PM)
Wow! OriginalGhirl! What a very interesting history you have there! One of my great-grandmothers was an indentured servant too. She has a Scottish surname, but have not been able to prove much more than that.

Yeah it is pretty interesting. About 70% of the indentured servants sent to the colonies died within 5 years of arriving from illness and other things.

You should see if any one has done research on the indentured servants sent here from Scotland. You could probably find out more info about your great grandmother.

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Posted by: CelticRose 01-Sep-2004, 02:07 PM
Hi Jenni! that is a very good idea that I had not thought of...........thanks! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: Cailiosa 05-Sep-2004, 12:23 PM
I was raised in the Methodist church, started attending a Lutheran when a went to college. I also attend a Baptist church for Sunday night and Wednesday services. I, however, don't consider myself a Methodist, Lutheran or Baptist, but a Christian. I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior and died on the cross for my sins. I believe I have a Father in heaven and a Spirit who is my comfortor and guide and will grow me more and more in the image of God. I believe that the bible is the infallible word of God (II Timothy 3:16-17) and is the key to knowing the character of God more intimately and learning how He wants me to live. I believe my purpose in life is to know God and to make Him known.
Anyway, that's a bit about me. Thank you all for sharing.
Your sister in Christ
Jennie

Posted by: Tassiecelt 11-Sep-2004, 11:46 PM
Wow, I'm amazing to see so many wonderful Christians in the forum, at first I thought it was very New Age, and I was cautious, but now I am greatly encouraged to meet so many brothers and sisters in the faith, regardless of denomination.

I've avoided denominationalism for 30 years, meeting in 'home churches', locally autonomous.

In the past couple of years I've found that my beliefs synch very well with the Church of God (7th Day), while they are bigger in the USA, we do have a few smaller churches here in Australia.

http://www.cog7.org/home

Posted by: Tassiecelt 11-Sep-2004, 11:47 PM
Wow, I'm amazing to see so many wonderful Christians in the forum, at first I thought it was very New Age, and I was cautious, but now I am greatly encouraged to meet so many brothers and sisters in the faith, regardless of denomination.

I've avoided denominationalism for 30 years, meeting in 'home churches', locally autonomous.

In the past couple of years I've found that my beliefs synch very well with the Church of God (7th Day), while they are bigger in the USA, we do have a few smaller churches here in Australia.

http://www.cog7.org/home

Posted by: LiliMarlene 05-Jan-2005, 08:32 AM
I was raised Southern Baptist and it is still what I practice. We are looking for a new church currently, but in our town, there are only 2 or 3.
My mother converted to Catholisicsm (sp?) when I was in 4th grade and put me in Catholic School....having been raised Baptist for my life up until that point, I was always getting in trouble for disagreeing with my teachers, the Priests, nuns, etc.

I went back to church with my Grandparents, who were also Baptist, I was much happier there than I had been at the other.

Lil

Posted by: maryellen 05-Jan-2005, 11:02 AM
I am on paper Roman Catholic. I do believe in the good they do and most of the Mass. You might say I'm a Cafeteria Catholic though because I have yet to come to fully believe in some things like: Mary, the mother of God, was a virgin throughout her whole life.

My husband is not Catholic, so my grandmother hardly acknowledges that he exists. I guess that might be part of it.
I still sing in the choir and by myself during mass and enjoy the Eucharist.


Posted by: Rindy1202 05-Jan-2005, 09:25 PM
I am Catholic. It is all I have ever known. There is so many issues I just have a hard time understanding. My main question is Why? Why are we here? Why must we suffer? Some people more than others just plain Why to everything?

Elspeth I hope you don't mind me posting a poem on What Kind Am I, but I think it describes it well.

God Bless

Posted by: dragonboy3611 06-Jan-2005, 05:29 AM
Well it's quite strange for me actually. I go to a Methodist church, but it's also a British...something or other church, I don't really know those details!

I used to be a Prespirterian when I was younger, I think the only different between Prespiterian and Methodist are some songs! hehe!

Posted by: jpmoore 07-Jan-2005, 02:09 PM
Grew up Catholic, with five years in Catholic school (that didn't go too well). Went to the Church of Christ while in college, was baptized, met my future wife. The first C of Cs we went to were "acapella" churchs: meaning vocal music, no pianos or organs. Now we attend one that does use pianos, choirs, guitars, drums, etc. It is great!
But I wish we would get away from the politics though. Up to the election last year, it was way too much "Rah-rah George W. Bush!" and all that. Although he was not my choice for president, he has been elected and I am okay with that. I just object that my faith is questioned when I don't toe the party line. And it has been. I have been called a "bad Christian" because of my lack of excitement over President Bush.

Sorry to make this a political rant, but it has tested me severely the past year or so. I'll go away now... sad.gif

Posted by: Rindy1202 07-Jan-2005, 06:30 PM
jpmoore, please don't apologize or go away. Everyones intitled to a opinion! I like hearing everyones views of things. It is what makes the world go around.!! smile.gif

Posted by: jpmoore 08-Jan-2005, 09:07 AM
QUOTE (Rindy1202 @ 07-Jan-2005, 07:30 PM)
jpmoore, please don't apologize or go away. Everyones intitled to a opinion! I like hearing everyones views of things. It is what makes the world go around.!! smile.gif

Thanks Rindy!
This past election had such an emotional and spiritual effect on me. I truly am okay with our president. Its just that I don't appreciate being looked down on because of politics. We are all one in Christ!

(I won't leave. I wa away from this board for many months though. I think I'll stick around awhile biggrin.gif )

Posted by: WizardofOwls 08-Jan-2005, 11:07 AM
Gald to hear it jp! And Ridny is right! Your opinion is just as valid as everyone elses! I did vote for Bush, but I was so sick of all of the campaigning and posturing on both sides that I almost didn't vote at all! And religion did play such a big part in this election. I'm just glad its over and we can all get back down to the business of serving God and living!

Posted by: Rindy1202 08-Jan-2005, 01:18 PM
Thank you for hanging around jpmoore, the forums have so many different subjects. I haven't been here that long but I have not found anyone that is mean. You are part of the family, and we are glad you are hear and speak your opinion.

Have a great weekend no matter what!! smile.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Jan-2005, 05:58 PM
jpmoore! Glad to have you back. I am sorry you had to go through that with your church and Christian brothers and sisters questioning you because of the election. That is a very personal decision and no one has the right to judge your opinions and choices. I, too, am very glad the election process is all over! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: gwenlee 08-Jan-2005, 06:20 PM
I'm non-denominational, but I go to a congregation that has a Jewish flavor. A lot of people in the congregation were raised in the Jewish faith and became born again Christians, and they choose to tie in Jewish tradion and show how it points to the coming of the Messiah (Jesus).

Posted by: CelticRose 08-Jan-2005, 06:34 PM
One of my friends goes to a Messianic Jewish/Christian church and she loves it! She is not Jewish, but just wanted something different. She met her future husband there too!

Posted by: Monarch's Own 08-Jan-2005, 06:46 PM
I was raised in a roman catholic village as a lutheran (even though not baptized).

I was baptized in the Lutheran Church when I was 16 but wasn't really happy with it.

I changed over to Latter Day Saints (Mormons) when I was 21 and even though I am inactiv right now - I live very close to the standards of their teachings, and even read in the bible and Book of Mormon.

That I am inactiv right is has partly to do with my husband being roman catholic. He thinks they are a bit weird - even though he lives more to their standards and teachings than he knows lol.

Posted by: jpmoore 09-Jan-2005, 06:51 AM
Rindy, CelticRose, and Wizardofowls,
Thank you for your support. I truly appreciate it! thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: CelticRose 09-Jan-2005, 05:28 PM
That's what were here for, JP! wink.gif smile.gif

Posted by: WizardofOwls 09-Jan-2005, 06:31 PM
QUOTE (gwenlee @ 08-Jan-2005, 08:20 PM)
I'm non-denominational, but I go to a congregation that has a Jewish flavor. A lot of people in the congregation were raised in the Jewish faith and became born again Christians, and they choose to tie in Jewish tradion and show how it points to the coming of the Messiah (Jesus).

Oh gwenlee! That sounds so very interesting! I am so intereseted in the Jewish faith and how it impacted Christian beliefs! I wish I had some Jewish friends becauseI have so many questions!

Posted by: WizardofOwls 09-Jan-2005, 06:32 PM
QUOTE (jpmoore @ 09-Jan-2005, 08:51 AM)
Rindy, CelticRose, and Wizardofowls,
Thank you for your support. I truly appreciate it! thumbsup.gif

You are very welcome jp! I'm so glad you decided to join us here!

Posted by: gwenlee 10-Jan-2005, 08:46 AM
Hey WizardofOwls the Jewish faith is very interesting, but traditional Jew don't tend to see a connection between judaism and christianity beyond the Old Testament. So if you would like to know more about the impact of judaism on Christianity I suggest you go to the Messianic Jewish Alliance of America web site.
People who choose to live a Messianic Jewish life style will tell you they follow Biblical judaism not Rabbinical judaism. Any way I think that site will answer some of your questions.

Posted by: Siobhan Blues 18-Jan-2005, 04:16 PM
There's something quite awesome about a Jewish Christian! How wonderful to see someone of the chosen nation claiming alliegance to Jesus Christ, the ultimate Jew... I love the book of Hebrews, where it pointedly shows how Christ is the ultimate rabbi, the ultimate sacrifice, the ultimate fulfillment of all the old prophecies...

SB

Posted by: gwenlee 19-Jan-2005, 02:43 PM
I too like the book of Hebrews. People think that there is a different plan of salvation for Jew and Gentile but there isn't. The only way to salvation is through Yeshua (Jesus Christ)

Posted by: Herrerano 24-Jan-2005, 03:57 PM
Interestingly, for a celtic site, I am sort of surprised that I seem to be about the only representative of my particular denomination. Odder still, I may not be all that representative of that particular denomination since I am still a believer in things like the Nicene Creed.

Leo cool.gif

Posted by: truk77 21-Feb-2005, 10:46 AM
I am a Reformed (Calvinist) Baptist in my beliefs. However, my wife and I belong to a PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) because good Reformed Baptist churches are extremely hard to find, and the PCA is close enough for us. smile.gif

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