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Annham 
Posted: 06-Nov-2004, 07:57 PM
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Ok, Here it is, I was wrong,
The focus here is "Political Incompatibility" and "Folksongs"...
I guess we could substitute "Religious Incompatibility" and "Celtic Radio"

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The One on the Left is on the Right
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There once was a musical troupe
A pickin' singin' folk group
They sang the mountain ballads
And the folk songs of our land

They were long on musical ability
Folks thought they would go far
But political incompatibility led to their downfall

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear was a Methodist

This musical aggregation toured the entire nation
Singing the traditional ballads
And the folk songs of our land
They performed with great virtuosity
And soon they were the rage
But political animosity prevailed upon the stage

Well, the one on the right was on the left
And the one in the middle was on the right
And the one on the left was in the middle
And the guy in the rear burned his driver's license

Well the curtain had ascended
A hush fell on the crowd
As thousands there were gathered to hear The folk songs of our land
But they took their politics seriously
And that night at the concert hall
As the audience watched deliriously
They had a free-for-all

Well, the one on the right was on the bottom
And the one in the middle was on the top
And the one on the left got a broken arm
And the guy in the rear, said, "Oh dear"

Now this should be a lesson if you plan to start a folk group
Don't go mixin' politics with the folk songs of our land
Just work on harmony and diction
Play your banjo well
And if you have political convictions keep them to yourself

Now, the one on the left works in a bank
And the one in the middle drives a truck
The one on the right's an all-night deejay
And the guy in the rear got drafted


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Posted: 27-Oct-2007, 10:36 AM
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Well, this has started again. Maybe we should completeley redue and redefine our Holiday celebrations to avoid all this stuff. Getting rid of all the commercialism might not be such a bad idea.

Scots ban American Halloween

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...alloween126.xml


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Posted: 28-Oct-2007, 10:40 AM
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I once heard a very reformed Presbyterian pastor once say that he didn't think that a child dressing up in a costume and going around begging for candy was that big a deal. He then went on to say that he believed, jokingly, that Halloween was invented by the dentists so they could get more business. biggrin.gif
We take things WAY to seriously these days. Just sit back a have a good laugh.


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My family and I carved a pumpkin this year. It was a carving of Jesus. What better jack O'lantern could frighten off evil spirits


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A better question would be What, in Halloween, is Evil? Is a Pagan any more Evil than a Buddhist? How about Christians of Denominations not supported by 'The Church'?

Who here can call my wife Evil, because she finds more truth in her beliefs than in ours?

I've never heard of a child converting to the Occult because they dressed up on a Celtic Pagan Holiday that has zero relation to the Occult.

The truth has been stated about this holiday, these people, and their reasons for celebrating as they do, numerous times here, but it never seems to be heard. Many (and the majority) seem to read a post, looking for things to refute and condemn. Anything but actually listening to what is being said.

If this were a thread about skin colour and not faith, it would be rife with racism.

That said, I've always celebrated Halloween, all my life, growing up in a devout Protestant home. I even dressed up as Jesus once. My parents weren't very impressed, but I don't see any difference between dressing up as one hero and another.

We all stand for Democracy, which comes from the Greeks, a decidedly Un-Christian people, but we don't ask if it would offends God, a spiritual Monarch. Their Democratic Assemblies no doubt included the opinions of their gods, but we don't deny the system. Halloween is a holiday that comes from Pagans, and at one time included Non-Christian ceremony, but is it any different from our choice in Government, since we have stripped the Holiday of its' religion, just as we have Democracy.

We've been taught that anything related to Paganism is Evil, but it doesn't make it true.

And for I'm sure not the last time, Witches are a Christian invention.


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Posted: 01-Nov-2007, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE (maryellen @ 28-Oct-2004, 03:14 PM)
Judging them by their present actions is what is allowed.

No, that's untrue. Man has never been awarded the authority to judge their fellow man. In fact, someone has already quoted Christ as saying just that, in this thread. We do not do God's work for him. We are far too juvenile for that responsibility, and it always comes out the same way. Superiority and condemnation.
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QUOTE (oldraven @ 01-Nov-2007, 11:09 AM)
A better question would be What, in Halloween, is Evil? Is a Pagan any more Evil than a Buddhist? How about Christians of Denominations not supported by 'The Church'?

Who here can call my wife Evil, because she finds more truth in her beliefs than in ours?

I've never heard of a child converting to the Occult because they dressed up on a Celtic Pagan Holiday that has zero relation to the Occult.

The truth has been stated about this holiday, these people, and their reasons for celebrating as they do, numerous times here, but it never seems to be heard. Many (and the majority) seem to read a post, looking for things to refute and condemn. Anything but actually listening to what is being said.

If this were a thread about skin colour and not faith, it would be rife with racism.

That said, I've always celebrated Halloween, all my life, growing up in a devout Protestant home. I even dressed up as Jesus once. My parents weren't very impressed, but I don't see any difference between dressing up as one hero and another.

We all stand for Democracy, which comes from the Greeks, a decidedly Un-Christian people, but we don't ask if it would offends God, a spiritual Monarch. Their Democratic Assemblies no doubt included the opinions of their gods, but we don't deny the system. Halloween is a holiday that comes from Pagans, and at one time included Non-Christian ceremony, but is it any different from our choice in Government, since we have stripped the Holiday of its' religion, just as we have Democracy.

We've been taught that anything related to Paganism is Evil, but it doesn't make it true.

And for I'm sure not the last time, Witches are a Christian invention.

OK. Raven, I think you took my post the wrong way. I read the story of the Jack O'Lantern and saw how it was used to frighten off evil spirits at one time. I was not refering to anyone being evil. Thats all. Sorry if I offended you.




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Posted: 01-Nov-2007, 11:12 PM
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Don't worry, NS, I'm not one to be offended. But I am one to call out falsehoods when I see them. Yes, it gets misunderstood, and often comes across as angry, but I don't hold these statements against anyone. And I certainly don't single anyone out, least of all you, as I understood exactly what you meant. wink.gif Like you said, they're warding off evil spirits, not inviting them in to worship.

What really disturbs me is the blatant grouping of people that simply have a different belief system into a completely unrelated and contemptible crowd. When we talk about a Pagan Holiday, and all of a sudden it's about Satan, demons, and witches, all seen as evil. These misconceptions go back over a thousand years, have been condemned by the church (yes, public apologies have been made by the Pontif himself over the treatment of non-Christians, in particular Pagans, through the ages), yet still live on in the way we raise our children to see non-Christians. Line up another generation of misunderstanding, otherwise known as ignorance. What else can you call a person who makes it a point to NOT discover the truth when it is there in front of their eyes, but ignorant? It's the religious equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and crying 'Lalalalala'. What is the point of discussion if you enter the conversation with every intention of leaving it with the same stance, no matter what new knowledge is offered?

It's disheartening, to say the least, and doesn't sound at all Christ-like. But these complaints have been made about Christians for centuries, and is, in my eyes, the number one reason why the faith is declining.
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Posted: 01-Nov-2007, 11:17 PM
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One last paradigm. Saying Celtic Pagans are Evil and worship demons is no different than saying black people can't see in the dark or swim. I'm just wondering how long it's going to take society to figure that out.
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