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Posted: 09-Jul-2004, 09:18 AM
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Posted: 09-Jul-2004, 11:01 AM
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More evidence of the STUPIDITY of invading Bushnam. sad.gif
The administration not only won't admit to ANY mistakes, but they continue trying to cover up even when caught lying. rolleyes.gif


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Posted: 09-Jul-2004, 12:58 PM
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Let's change just a few items here hypothetically:

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AP: German Insurgency Larger Than Thought
By JIM KRANE
07/09/44 06:54

BERLIN, Germany (AP) - Contrary to U.S. government claims, the insurgency in Gernamy is led by well-armed Nazis angry about losing power, not foreign fighters, and is far larger than previously thought, American military officials say.

The officials told The Associated Press the guerrillas can call on loyalists to boost their forces to as high as 20,000 and have enough popular support among nationalist Germans angered by the presence of U.S. troops that they cannot be militarily defeated.

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If this had been the top news story in 1944, would you be calling for a cut-and-run? If 20,000 Nazis scared you then, would you have advised FDR to stay out of Europe?

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"We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when inspectors were in his country. Are we to assume that he stopped when they left? The history, the logic, and the facts lead to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take."

"Delegates to the General Assembly, we have been more than patient. We've tried sanctions. We've tried the carrot of oil for food, and the stick of coalition military strikes. But Saddam Hussein has defied all these efforts and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction. The first time we may be completely certain he has a -- nuclear weapons is when, God forbids, he uses one. We owe it to all our citizens to do everything in our power to prevent that day from coming."

"The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of U.N. demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?"

"If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will immediately end all support for terrorism and act to suppress it, as all states are required to do by U.N. Security Council resolutions."

"If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will cease persecution of its civilian population, including Shi'a, Sunnis, Kurds, Turkomans, and others, again as required by Security Council resolutions."

"If the Iraqi regime wishes peace, it will release or account for all Gulf War personnel whose fate is still unknown. It will return the remains of any who are deceased, return stolen property, accept liability for losses resulting from the invasion of Kuwait, and fully cooperate with international efforts to resolve these issues, as required by Security Council resolutions."

"We can harbor no illusions -- and that's important today to remember. Saddam Hussein attacked Iran in 1980 and Kuwait in 1990. He's fired ballistic missiles at Iran and Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and Israel. His regime once ordered the killing of every person between the ages of 15 and 70 in certain Kurdish villages in northern Iraq. He has gassed many Iranians, and 40 Iraqi villages."

"If we fail to act in the face of danger, the people of Iraq will continue to live in brutal submission. The regime will have new power to bully and dominate and conquer its neighbors, condemning the Middle East to more years of bloodshed and fear. The regime will remain unstable -- the region will remain unstable, with little hope of freedom, and isolated from the progress of our times. With every step the Iraqi regime takes toward gaining and deploying the most terrible weapons, our own options to confront that regime will narrow. And if an emboldened regime were to supply these weapons to terrorist allies, then the attacks of September the 11th would be a prelude to far greater horrors."

These were from Bush's address to the UN General Assembly on September 12, 2002. Some of the things President Bush and U.S. intelligence thought were true have since turned out not to be true. Many of the things he said were right on the money. He did not use Saddam?s "support of al Qaeda" or "stockpiles of WMDs" as primary justifications for military action against Iraq. Rather, he painted a very broad picture of the justification for action against Iraq based upon Saddam?s violation of UN sanctions, pursuit of WMD capability, human rights violations, and support of terrorism.

I guess that makes him just about as stupid as FDR. Heck, Germany never attacked nor posed an imminent threat to the US either.

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Posted: 09-Jul-2004, 02:25 PM
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Ah yes, once again our friend Brother S is substituting volume for content! We need to check your med levels. tongue.gif I will buy the single malt! beer_mug.gif
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Posted: 09-Jul-2004, 04:01 PM
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My friend, as long as we're discussing single malts, I prefer Volume and Content!

I just finished off a bottle of Laphroaig. I think I lost 6 years off my life. It's time for something containing a bit less diesel fuel, like a smooth Glenlivet. Glenfiddich is next on my shopping list.

As for my med levels, I told the good doctor I needed more but she balked at the year's supply of Oxycontin.
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Posted: 09-Jul-2004, 05:05 PM
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I am willing to help with the Glenfiddich! beer_mug.gif
Who knows, I may yet get a chance to buy a round. One of the jobs I am looking at would have me in May-retta a couple of times a month. biggrin.gif
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Posted: 12-Jul-2004, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (Shamalama @ 12-Jul-2004, 04:18 PM)
Son, you show up in May-retta and I'll hand you a smooth Glenfiddich! beer_mug.gif

That's a deal Brother Shamalama! beer_mug.gif
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