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Posted: 23-Oct-2008, 08:50 PM
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An interesting comparison to John McCain right now is John McCain himself. By all means John McCain should not be here in 2008 running for President of the United States. Here are some interesting facts:

- He nearly lost his life his life in the 1967 USS Forrestal Fire.

- He was shot down in his aircraft over Vietnam, badly injured and taking at a prisoner of war.

- He was a POW for 6 years, enduring torture. He was offered early release, but refused to sign the paper. Other POWS did not make it out alive.

Just an observation, but John McCain should not even be here - but he has always managed to beat the odds.

In 12 days we will know if John McCain can beat the odds once again. An interesting thought giving the fact that John McCain should not even be here!
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QUOTE (MacFive @ 23-Oct-2008, 08:50 PM)
An interesting comparison to John McCain right now is John McCain himself. By all means John McCain should not be here in 2008 running for President of the United States. Here are some interesting facts:

- He nearly lost his life his life in the 1967 USS Forrestal Fire.

- He was shot down in his aircraft over Vietnam, badly injured and taking at a prisoner of war.

- He was a POW for 6 years, enduring torture. He was offered early release, but refused to sign the paper. Other POWS did not make it out alive.

Just an observation, but John McCain should not even be here - but he has always managed to beat the odds.

In 12 days we will know if John McCain can beat the odds once again. An interesting thought giving the fact that John McCain should not even be here!

You right Paul, John McCain shouldn’t be here, since he graduated fifth from last, (I believe at Annapolis), and since he lost, (I believe three “training planes” at flight school), when just loosing one plane, would have been enough to have drummed out any other flight school student. I guess having an Admiral for a farther did for him, what having a president for a farther did for George W Bush.


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Posted: 24-Oct-2008, 09:48 PM
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Just another reason why he should not even be here! Graduated 5th from the bottom?!?!!?
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Posted: 25-Oct-2008, 12:50 AM
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Neither McCain or Obama are what they want us to believe they are! Their voting records tell the story. McCain was consistent until the "Keating" affair. Then he began to unravel and his voting pattern was a good indicator of it.

I picked up a biography of McCains life that was marked down to a dollar at the book store I patronize. they must have had 50 of his books on the table. It may have been prophetic. As bush was not "top shelf" neither is McCain. I supported McCain financially in his first run against bush. I was fortunate in that I didn't get caught in the last appeal for money. He asked that people send contributions by FedX over night and said his campaign would foot the FedX charges as they were in a financial crisis. They didn't and I had numerous friends who got stuck for the $30 charge from Fed X. Of course McCain kept the money and within two or three days quit his campaign. That was when I began to dig into his character and ethics. The loss to bush made him a very bitter man and brought out a lot of his character flaws. I probably found enough in 8 years to write a book exposing the real McCain. That is why I could not support him even as the lesser of two evils. Since I am ultra conservative Obama was out too. We will not know until the count is in but the "third party" vote may be the cause of McCain losing the election. (if he does)

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Posted: 25-Oct-2008, 06:31 AM
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He's been putting that kind of stuff about himself around to play on people's sense of magic and/or destiny. His luck with regard to survival in his youth has nothing to do with his fitness for the presidency, it's just the BS rhetoric he and his campaign have been spinning since the beginning, and at which he is grasping at desperately now.
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Posted: 25-Oct-2008, 06:53 AM
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You just described 99% of the politicians.

Obama is for private firearms ownership according to his recent ads. That too is BS as I have gone through his voting record.

They are both nothing but politicians, definitely not leaders.

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Posted: 26-Oct-2008, 08:40 AM
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Class rank is interesting...(as much as I dislike McCain and Obama both), rank can be misleading sometimes. If one graduating class has a highly gifted class, ranking amongst themselves may have an excellent student who is well-rounded, appear less-than-average. But my personal opinion is that neither McCain nor Obama are good for this country.

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Posted: 26-Oct-2008, 08:55 AM
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I have always smiled when I enter my Doctors office or any professionals office and see their Dipolma proudly displayed for all and sundry to read. It's just a piece of paper that says the holder went to Med School, Law School, or graduated from such and such University. What it doesn't tell you is where in the class he was ranked. Top Honours or scraped through. When I went to University (2 1/2 yrs) there were people there that absolutely no business taking up the space. They should have been digging ditches or mowing lawns but low and behold they became, you guessed it, Politicians.


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Posted: 26-Oct-2008, 10:45 AM
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You are right. Most politicians can "read" people but very little more. At state level, I know two who also run successful business'. Both are very intelligent and are good representatives. They are the exception!

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Posted: 26-Oct-2008, 07:19 PM
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QUOTE (Jillian @ 26-Oct-2008, 08:40 AM)
But my personal opinion is that neither McCain nor Obama are good for this country.


You know its hard when the country is so polarized and each candidate is obligated to carry the flag of his side and tow the party line. Its not a situation which facilitates the flexibility that is needed to truly respond to events....too many party cooks wanting to add their own ingredients to every situational soup. You never truly feel like you know where the candidate stands - at least I don't. I don't ever feel like I'm getting a straight answer, nor will I ever get one, even if the candidate wanted to provide it. If any candidate were to exercise that prerogative they'd loose their viability in a heartbeat. This is also true once they get into office. If too much of their own initiative is exerted, they're shot like Kennedy or distracted from any accomplishment while the opposing side spends $60 million to investigate their sexual indescretions. Republicans don't seem to suffer those fates for some reason. Reagan was called the Teflon president while Oliver North went to the chopping block and no one touches Bush either. The only exception was Nixon but he was pardoned.

Neither candidate is someone I'm excited about running the country either, and the likelihood of Palin in the white house is frightening to me.


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Posted: 27-Oct-2008, 09:43 AM
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John McCain has received alot of criticism. And no one is perfect. We worry about our rights being take away and a "police environment".

Don't you think that since he was in the military and was a prisoner of war he would be one to protect that right?

All the military personnel that I have talked to are for McCain. To win this war, you have to know your enemy. They may come to the table to talk, but you cannot reason with teliban. I will not negate any shed blood by not supporting our troops and they want the job they were sent to do completed.

Second priority would be the economy. Yes, it is going to be rough. Yes, we need to bring to account those who played a major role in the abuse of the system. We the people need to make changes in our priorities of a way of life. We need to stop "keeping up with the Jones" and instead reach a hand out to help others that are having difficulties. Not expecting the government to bale us out of something we may have got ourselves into. I not talking about at the government level but our own personal financial level.

As far as knowledge on economics, any president of a company cannot be an expert on topics needed to run a company. That is why they pick experts in those fields to help them make their decisions. John McCain has done this.

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QUOTE (John Clements @ 24-Oct-2008, 08:08 AM)
You right Paul, John McCain shouldn’t be here, since he graduated fifth from last, (I believe at Annapolis), and since he lost, (I believe three “training planes” at flight school), when just loosing one plane, would have been enough to have drummed out any other flight school student. I guess having an Admiral for a farther did for him, what having a president for a farther did for George W Bush.

There have been 43 presidents of this country. I believe we can all agree they were not all great intellects. Graduating 5th from the bottom does not negate the fact that he did graduate. Losing planes and remaining a pilot may reveal a lack of flying skill, but does not indicate being unfit to hold public office. And while being a prisoner of war does not qualify him to be president, I feel it at least earns him the right to a little respect. In a few days I'll take a chance on McCain even though I'm no fan of his. I'll do this without hesitation. It will be as much a vote for heroic patriotism as it is a vote against a confirmed socialist who didn't even have the hutzpa to serve at all.


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There have been 43 presidents of this country. I believe we can all agree they were not all great intellects. Graduating 5th from the bottom does not negate the fact that he did graduate. Losing planes and remaining a pilot may reveal a lack of flying skill, but does not indicate being unfit to hold public office. And while being a prisoner of war does not qualify him to be president, I feel it at least earns him the right to a little respect. In a few days I'll take a chance on McCain even though I'm no fan of his. I'll do this without hesitation. It will be as much a vote for heroic patriotism as it is a vote against a confirmed socialist who didn't even have the hutzpa to serve at all. [QUOTE]


I wholeheartedly agree.


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Posted: 27-Oct-2008, 09:15 PM
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Dog, it warms my heart to read that! After all the headbutting you and I have done, I'm glad we found some commonality!

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Posted: 27-Oct-2008, 10:37 PM
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Wow, this gets me all choked up - no not about the election but SCShamrock and Dogshirt agreeing!
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