| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 27-Oct-2004, 01:47 PM |
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We should have a big bus that picks up all the Americans, and drives us right up to the embassy.
"well sir we have a couple hundred americans who feel religiously oppressed, and seek asylum for religious freedom." I wonder who well that would work |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #90916 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 21-Oct-2004, 08:18 AM |
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It took my 5 minutes to look for this topic, I just wanted to say that I am at school today, a University in NY USA. I am wearing my tan utilikilt, and boy do I look awesome in it. I walked over to the full length mirror, and just thought about how much I like wearin in because I look so good in it. Not like I am an Adonis or anything, it just really boosts my self-esteem. Besides that from the general population at the college, you would never have thought that these people have ever seen a kilt before, or that the fact of a man wearing a "skirt" is just wrong. It is like the looks that I get are the looks that you give a person who is wearing the "emperors new clothes." If more men knew how comfortable the kilt is, IMHO more men would where them. I am so comfortable, and so happy to be wearin this today I just had to say something! |
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Forum: General Discussion · Post Preview: #89941 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 11-Oct-2004, 03:30 PM |
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i have to agree with master  shadows in a way, I was taught that we can not divulge the intimate messages given to us in the realm of the dreams. For those messages passed on to us are a private conversation. There is no way that even if I tried to explain what the coyote has said to me in a dream that I could actually put it to words here. My woman has had been given messages by the badger, and she knows nothing of badgers or the interpretation in the dreams so I said to her what the holy man had said to me, "What do you think she is trying to say to you?" I enlighten her with stories of the badger, and what they are well known for, but for the private message she must turn inword to interpret.
I would never devulge a personnal revelation from a spirit to anyone, But this in a way, is a way for those who are confused to ask, and for those brothers and sisters to share. |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #88257 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 11-Oct-2004, 08:30 AM |
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freekenny:
I also follow the path of the people, I was adopted into the seneca nation and have learned much in the way of tradition, as well as gained much insight into the realms of nature. I am glad that you mentioned the baring of teeth, for I was taught that if you have a "dream" where a spirit visits you with an aggressive behavior you have done somethin to deserve it. Meaning there is something in your life that you have to change.
Now be it that every animal has something to teach all of us, and that is why I hope that this discussion bridges the gap of the culture of the people, and celtic pagan culture in the fact that we all have some affinity to animal spirits, and this may be a good way to discuss the effects of them, and the effect of the message in our lives. |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #88140 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 08-Oct-2004, 08:31 AM |
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The existence of Q follows from the argument that Matthew and Luke show independence in the double tradition (the material that Matthew and Luke shared that does not appear in Mark). Accordingly, the literary connection in the double tradition is explained by an indirect relationship, namely, through use of a common source or sources.
Arguments for Luke's and Matthew's independence include:
Matthew and Luke have different contexts for the double tradition material. It is argued that it is easier to explain Luke's "artistically inferior" arrangement of the double tradition into more primitive contexts within his Gospel as due to not knowing Matthew.
The form of the material sometimes appears more primitive in Matthew but at other times more primitive in Luke.
Independence is likely in light of the non-use of the other's non-Markan tradition, especially in the infancy, genealogical, and resurrection accounts.
Doublets. Sometimes it appears that doublets in Matthew and Luke have one half that comes from Mark and the other half from some common source, i.e. Q.
Even if Matthew and Luke are independent, the Q hypothesis states that they used a common document. Arguments for Q being a written document include:
Exactness in wording. Sometimes the exactness in wording is striking. For example: Matt. 6:24 = Luke 16:13 (27/28 Greek words). Matt. 7:7-8 = Luke 11:9-10 (24/24 Greek words).
There is commonality in order between the two Sermons on/at the Mount The Sermon on the Mount was, according to the Bible (Matt. 5-7), a sermon given by Jesus around A.D. 30, after he had spent a night in solemn meditation and prayer. It is thought by some contemporary Christian figures to have taken place on a mountain on the North end of the Sea of Galilee, near Capernaum.
Today, many scholars think that the sermon was not actually delivered all at once, but was composed by Matthew from various sayings of Jesus which he had found in his sources.
The presence of doublets, where Matthew and Luke sometimes present two versions of a similar saying, but in different contexts. Doublets often serve as a sign of two written sources.
Certain themes, such as the Deuteronomistic
Deuteronomy is the fifth book of the Hebrew Bible, also the fifth book of the Christian Old Testament. Its Hebrew name is Devarim דברים ("words"), which comes from the opening phrase "Eleh ha-devarim" ("These are the words...").
Origin of name The English name, "Deuteronomy", comes from the name which the book bears in the Septuagint
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Forum: Philosophy & Science · Post Preview: #87824 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 08-Oct-2004, 08:18 AM |
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sorry for taking so long, I have been in the woods for a few days.
The q document is a theological document. Some time ago (I don't know the date) there was the popular question of, "What did Jesus really say." Mind you this is before the dead sea scrolls, the finding of the gospel of thomas, and some hollywood movies. Philisophically and theologically based the vatican organized a group of theologins. Of these theologins there were equal numbers of catholics, "seperatists" (protestants), jews, and "worldly theologins" (those who did not identify with a faith). They were given every resource available at the time and each group were asked the simple question, "What did Jesus really say." and in this meeting (not a council, ie Nicene, Vatican) theologins poured iver the texts provided and came to the synopsis that jesus said this...., or Jesus may have said but paraphrased....., or there is no proof that Jesus said.... |
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Forum: Philosophy & Science · Post Preview: #87823 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 06-Oct-2004, 02:41 PM |
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| QUOTE (Lady Anandrea @ 03-Oct-2004, 01:18 AM) | | .The message is if we continue to destroy the earth thru violence,pollution,we not only affect our world but the world of others.The animal world,the plant world,the Fae world. |
that is so right, although we do need resources of the wyld in order to survive, so as long as we borrow them...i think that is ok. I plant 3-5 seedlings (depending on sp.) for every tree I cut....forest restoration, and conservation is the key. Preservation is nice but too utopic for reality. I have felt the presence of Fae or some spirit when in the woods, and I feel that the reason that I am not worse off is because they understand what I have to do, and what I give back. |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #87518 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 06-Oct-2004, 02:36 PM |
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well spoken angel, to be happy is be love yourself, and love one another....and I am sure that you just didnt type it but I have to state to love of your god(s). Basic accross the board on all religions and spiritual paths. Thanks for entering this conversation, and please continue to add to this conversation. I was so nervous to create a forum thread like this because I did not know if people would respond or care....I am glad i was wrong. |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #87516 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 06-Oct-2004, 02:30 PM |
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If after 3 years of marriage, you get re-married.
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #87514 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 06-Oct-2004, 02:26 PM |
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I understand that there is even a tarot of spirit animals out there somewhere, although the concept seems odd to me, I am sure that this can be a good resource for those who are looking for a liberal list of totems or spirit animals. I understand that even in the native lands the different totem animals are dependant on the area... As well as I am sure that a person who lives on a different land mass may be different. For example, it would be a lil odd for a person from Italy, or Florida USA to say that they have a reindeer totem, but not as odd for a Scandanavian to say such. What are some odd examples of spirit animals, or a totem that others have that too some may never have heard of or now the "power/gifts" of?
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #87513 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 04-Oct-2004, 02:24 PM |
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if I could offer any advice as a plant heath care specialist, and lumberjack in the US I would like to help in any pseudo-technical way to design a "grove"...though I do agree with shadows, as my friend states the better grove is that which is discovered, secluded, the only human traces are your own...But in a way I can understand the want to build one.
Perhaps not on the same level as a natural level, but perhaps a quiet place to sit and meditate. I myself have a place in the back of my property that is still wild, and I have cut a path to for better access, and have cleared hazard trees. I have not planted but have managed the area for a lil while now. It is my own private woods that I have designated scientifically as "old growth control" and I do not cut in the area biologically as a seed crop for the rest of the woods.
feel free to ask whatever. |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #87076 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 04-Oct-2004, 12:49 PM |
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The Other Bible
by Willis Barnstone
is good set of readings together and translated ...decently. I would also recommend if people are interested in the "true" words of Jesus the nazarean, try to get a copy of the Q document.
This is a good resource, because the q document was researched by christian and non-christian thoelogans, and by the research thay can say with a good degree of certainty that a person referred to as Jesus possibly from Nazareth more than likely did say this, "..."
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Forum: Philosophy & Science · Post Preview: #87048 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 04-Oct-2004, 12:15 PM |
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Just stating a similarity in some pagan religions that have been christianized. If you want to start another thread that is cool, but I will not be involved if there is a paganism is better because...
I like to show that we are all one, and even the evangelicals see some types of paganism as "lost 'brothers & sister'" where I see that I am not lost, just an a path with a better view.
I am glad that I was able to help out with the explaination of sainthood. No christian can speak of that as slander because it was originally from a christian source. If anyone has more questions on the similarities of paganism and christiandom I can also help out, (especially if there is another forum started for it). I am here to educate and have intellectual "arguments" (if you do not understand the terms of argument see philosophy) .
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #87039 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 01-Oct-2004, 08:43 AM |
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Coyote: symbol of Cunning, Cleverness, negotiating difficult situations
There are many stories about the Coyote as being a trickster. Don't let that fool you, because Coyote protects the home and the people in it from foolishness. Living in hills or underground dens, Coyotes always make sure the family is fully protected. He helps to keep the family close.
Learn from coyote in negotiating a difficult situations. He can help you to discover a trap that you are caught in, or show you you how you might be fooling yourself. If you are in a relationship where you think you may be fooling yourself, use the coyote to help see the truth of the matter and release yourself from the trap.
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #86562 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 01-Oct-2004, 08:40 AM |
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on the "communion of saints"
...the Christian religion; and they manifested their devotion to them both in public and private worship: in public, by celebrating the anniversaries of individual saints, and keeping annually the feast of All-Hallows as a solemnity of the first class; and in their private devotions, by observing the instructions to worship God and then to "pray, first to Saint Mary, and the holy apostles, and the holy martyrs, and all God's saints, that they would intercede for them to God". In this way they learned to look up to the saints in heaven with feelings of confidence and affection, to consider them as friends and protectors, and to implore their aid in the hour of distress, with the hope that God would grant to the patron what he might otherwise refuse to the supplicant.
Believed to be initiated in Eire, and other Iles by Patrick as an explaination to "pagans" why they should pray to one god, as opposed to their many. |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #86561 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 01-Oct-2004, 08:38 AM |
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urian, there is no need to shut up, that is actually a very strong belief that christians adapted other religious holidays in order to convert. I am not putting a spin on this to say if it was right, or if this is the actual thought behind the practices but here are some more examples that i have found in my armchair discussions, and historical research: (references provided on request):
Sunday, rather than saturday for the christian sabbath was not decided by a "pope" but rather an emperor. A final act of "spite" by the emperor that followers of Jesus the Nazarean honor their sabbath on the day of the sun god. (assumption by theologins and cultural anthropologists)
It is fabled that Justinian of the Eastern Roman empire (527-65) was converted though his wife was a "pagan" from Syria:
The Corpus Juris is full of laws against paganism (apostasy was punished by death, 10 c., "De pag.", I, 11), Jews, Samaritans (who began a dangerous revolt in 529), Manichaeans, and other heretics. The decrees of the four general councils were incorporated in the civil law. There was no toleration of dissent. True to the ideal of Constantinople, the emperor conceived himself as "priest and king", supreme head on earth in matters ecclesiastical as well as in the State. He filled his codex with canon law and assumed the most outspoken Erastianism as the law of the empire.
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #86560 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 30-Sep-2004, 12:46 PM |
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I am very familiar with the native american I was also wondering of any wiccan/new age references. |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #86431 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 30-Sep-2004, 12:43 PM |
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if you go into the wilderness for days or weeks on end, and you come back with weight gained |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #86430 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 29-Sep-2004, 12:47 PM |
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if you get yelled at for walking around a public area barefoot, and you blame the other people for having a bad attitude because they are not "in touch with the earth"
love the list, keep it going! |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #86209 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 29-Sep-2004, 12:41 PM |
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President Bush has been counted on different occasions that he is a religious man, and that is good for the presidency (im paraphrasing) Now, what other president in the past 100 years has had any statements with a specific god of a specific religion aiding his philosophy on how to govern his decissions on policy. I do not assume that even Lincoln referred to "god" in such a way...(mind you that the Gettysburg address is a dedication, not a political platform) I seem to think in my educated opinion that King George W. has a ersonal agenda to try to reach a spiritual goal through political means. That is a dream, and a scary one at that, especially with the separartion of church and state swaying from the balances.
Second of all, does anyone think that George W. is going to chastize Prime minister Blair for, "negotiating with terrorists." For bowing to negotiations, rather than for more human bloodshed? |
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Forum: Politics & Current Events · Post Preview: #86206 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 29-Sep-2004, 12:31 PM |
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| QUOTE (deckers @ 29-Sep-2004, 12:24 PM) | | I think our MODEL of democracy is the best, although the current system -- with all the lobbying, economic influences, etc. -- leaves a lot to be desired. |
thats great, and I am glad that you think that, I was just hoping that you would add some evidence to back it up, instead of just saying that because you reside in the US, so US must be the best. Just supply some examples. |
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Forum: Politics & Current Events · Post Preview: #86203 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 29-Sep-2004, 09:23 AM |
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| QUOTE (deckers @ 29-Sep-2004, 08:45 AM) | I think the world needs to become ready.
Our system of democracy, while it may not be perfect, is by far the best system in the world, especially when the other options are monarchy, military rule, religious, and dictatorship.
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Would you draw the comparison between the US, and perhaps the constitutional monarchy of Brittian, or Canadian parliment. Catagorically they can be classified as a democracy, yes I give you that, and the US is slightly modelled from the earlier references to parliment...But to refer to the US system of democracy to be the best...I think that that would be a stretch. The levels of lobbying some political scientists may refer to it as a form of corruption, when capitalism controls the democracy, and economic factors influence the political statutes rather than the other way around I think that there can be refinement, and there are other countries in my educated opinion that have a more stable government at the present date and time than the US: Canada, Poland, and Japan to name a few....democracy yes, BUT not "our system" of democracy....though Japan could be argued that it is ours since the reconstruction post wwii. China is a surviving communist state, they seem to be doing fine, with little or no economic troubles. I can name 10 countries that may not be as "free" as the US, but have stable economic systems. Republic is not a perfect system, true democracy is a step closer to eutopic rule, based on personal freedoms and statement of beliefs, but the only "perfect" system would be self-rule...which you will find no where due to inherent human behavior.  |
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Forum: Politics & Current Events · Post Preview: #86156 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 29-Sep-2004, 09:08 AM |
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Shadows: That is a great reference!
I noticed that there is no mention of tobacco, does that mean that the wiccan tradition does not use it for religious practices? If there is a use that you know of (other than the social aspects) could you enlighten me? |
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Forum: The Grove · Post Preview: #86151 |
| celticwoodsman |
Posted on: 29-Sep-2004, 09:05 AM |
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To further add to this list, does anyone else have any "hearth stories" from their region. Local old wives tales, superstitious sayings, that are unique to your area? I have listed above one on the Lake Erie region of the US. This may not be specifically pagan, but those would be welcome.
We have a discussion on Fae, why not lead this forum list further away from pagan/christian differences, and perhaps draw from similarities. If not hearth wisdom, then some traditions or other similarities in culture.
Some common examples:
Day of the Dead (spanish catholic), Samhain (pagan), All Saints/souls days (catholic).
Yule(pagan), Christmas (christian)
aside from those perhaps just observations in similarities. I mean we can all look at a calander and see that there are dates that are close...What else? |
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