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Posted by: maisky 08-Oct-2006, 02:37 PM
I noticed latetly that the conservative element on CR are hiding under their beds. biggrin.gif Thoughts about the election?

Posted by: haynes9 08-Oct-2006, 09:42 PM
We're not all hiding, though I am wearing a bag over my head tongue.gif !

I think the election is a tough call. I am a registered Republican, but I have always voted based on a persons stand on issues rather than his political party. I think our incumbent congressman and senator will win reelection, but I still think it is tough to say if todays headlines will affect the races or be a memory after next week's headlines.

Hey maisky, can I take the bag off now bag.gif ?

Have a great day!

Posted by: maisky 09-Oct-2006, 01:29 AM
QUOTE (haynes9 @ 08-Oct-2006, 09:42 PM)


Hey maisky, can I take the bag off now bag.gif ?


Golly NO! I've seen your picture!! Please keep it on! laugh.gif

Posted by: haynes9 09-Oct-2006, 06:17 AM
QUOTE (maisky @ 09-Oct-2006, 01:29 AM)
QUOTE (haynes9 @ 08-Oct-2006, 09:42 PM)


Hey maisky, can I take the bag off now bag.gif ?


Golly NO! I've seen your picture!! Please keep it on! laugh.gif

lol.gif

At least my wife and kids are cute!

Posted by: Macfive 25-Oct-2006, 04:56 AM
There definitely seems to be something brewing on the political scene - and across the nation. I'm not one to take sides (democrat vs republican vs conservative vs liberal) - but you can not ignore the potential change in leadership in the house/congress.

Seems like alot of this is being driven by independent voters.

In Massachusetts we might be looking at our first black Governor. Deval Patrick leads Kerry Healy by 25% points. Only a few weeks left in the race - I don't think she can overcome those numbers. All Deval needs to do is cruise into election day.

Bill Clinton will be helping him this weekend in Worcestor.

Whats going on in everyones home state?

Posted by: haynes9 25-Oct-2006, 06:29 AM
In Arizona, it looks like our Democratic governor will be easily reelected. Senator Kyl (Republican) seems to be pulling away in his race. Local congressman (Rick Renzi-R) seem to be on the way to reelection. He has been endorsed by several of the Navajo chapters here.

Overall, I think the Dems will pick up one seat here. That doesn't seem like much, but it is important considering the national scene right now.

Tricia and I will be working the polls as usual on November 7th. The Navajo Nation is also holding their election. There is a possibility that the Nation will elect it's first woman president. Considering the traditions here, that is an interesting proposition.

Posted by: Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas 27-Oct-2006, 03:15 PM
Here in Western NY one Republican (Tom Reynolds) is trying to avoid the fallout from his involvement in the Foley matter, while at the state level Democratic incumber comptroller Hevisi has lost a key supporter--Democratic Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, who barring a major upset, will be the next NY Governor. It seems that Mr. Hevesi got caught using a state staffer to chauffer his wife, an apparent violation of state law.
A fair number of people are sick of both parties--I suspect a credible third party/independent candidate would do well. However, I suspect that voter dismay at the choices being offered may make the voting highly unpredictable.
It does seem that Republicans are starting to distance themselves from GWB, which may backfire on them. I would not be surprised to see one or both houses go Democratic (not that there's anything truly democratic about the Democratic Party, which is controlled by leftists who are seemingly uninterested in the vast majority of folks who do not support the leftist platform).

Posted by: Antwn 27-Oct-2006, 04:57 PM
QUOTE (Mailagnas maqqas Dunaidonas @ 27-Oct-2006, 04:15 PM)
(not that there's anything truly democratic about the Democratic Party, which is controlled by leftists who are seemingly uninterested in the vast majority of folks who do not support the leftist platform).

I think the idea of "service" was dropped from "public service" years ago and both parties are equally compromised. The public they care about have "Inc." after their names and those dollars govern the attention to anyone's needs, assuming a degree of concern to begin with. Pundits must justify their paychecks, and licentiousness and corruption turning the majority tide is an exagerated attempt to find a cause prior to an outcome. Grasping at straws anyone? Looks too close to call to me, both in my state and nationally.

Posted by: John Clements 27-Oct-2006, 05:38 PM
I noticed latetly that the conservative element on CR are hiding under their beds. Thoughts about the election?


I couldn’t have said it any better myself. My hats off.
John

Posted by: Nova Scotian 27-Oct-2006, 07:05 PM
I'm hoping for Charlie Crist here in Florida. My local IAFF thumbs_up.gif union has endorsed him, local law enforcment has endorsed him and the NRA has endorsed him. Oh, he does have an "R" after his name. He'll be a great replacement for JEB who most Floridians approved of. Probably more so then his bro.

Posted by: haynes9 27-Oct-2006, 09:43 PM
QUOTE (John Clements @ 27-Oct-2006, 05:38 PM)
I noticed latetly that the conservative element on CR are hiding under their beds. Thoughts about the election?


I couldn’t have said it any better myself. My hats off.
John

Hey John, I'm not hiding! Wish I had as much to be proud of as you do wink.gif !

Seriously, many conservatives have not done a good job. If they get voted out, it's their own fault. If some of your folks on the left get in, let's see how they do. Only fair, don't you think?

Have a great day, my friend!

Posted by: Swanny 28-Oct-2006, 07:38 AM
QUOTE (maisky @ 08-Oct-2006, 11:37 AM)
I noticed latetly that the conservative element on CR are hiding under their beds. biggrin.gif Thoughts about the election?

[tongue planted firmly in cheek] Politics in the U.S. has always been very cyclical. The republicans gain power for a few years until the Dems finally dig up enough dirt to win an election, at which point we recognize that things really could be much worse. Then we regain our senses and put conservatives back into office. biggrin.gif

Seriously, I cast my absentee ballot yesterday, because I'll be at work on election day. I voted for one replublican, 2 libertarians, 1 Alaskan Indepence Party and pinched my nose close as I voted for 1 stinkin' democrat. Actually, it's more accurate to say I voted AGAINST 5 incumbants.

Unfortunately, I doubt there was an honorable person among any of them.

Swanny

Posted by: John Clements 28-Oct-2006, 09:33 AM
haynes9.

If living to the ripe old age 62 is something to be proud of, then yes, I am proud. But as far as politicians are concerned, it always seems to come down to the better of two evils.

Needless to say, I would buy a used car from any of them.

Take care,
John

Posted by: haynes9 28-Oct-2006, 08:53 PM
Yes, you do have a right to be proud for making it to 62! And I can't disagree with what you said about politicians.

Hey, this is scary! Is it legal for us to agree laugh.gif ?

Have a great day, John.

Posted by: maisky 28-Oct-2006, 09:48 PM
QUOTE (haynes9 @ 28-Oct-2006, 08:53 PM)
Yes, you do have a right to be proud for making it to 62! And I can't disagree with what you said about politicians.

Hey, this is scary! Is it legal for us to agree laugh.gif ?

Have a great day, John.

What is next? Cats and dogs loving each other? Sun rising in the West? EEEKK!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: John Clements 29-Oct-2006, 06:35 PM
hayes9 and maisky,

I sure that we can agree that breathing is a good thing, and moving is also nice. As for cats and dogs getting along, I lean towards dogs, because of their loyalty.
Hang in there haynes9; I’m sure we’ll find common ground, sooner or later.

John

Posted by: stoirmeil 30-Oct-2006, 08:42 AM
QUOTE (Swanny @ 28-Oct-2006, 08:38 AM)
Seriously, I cast my absentee ballot yesterday, because I'll be at work on election day. I voted for one replublican, 2 libertarians, 1 Alaskan Indepence Party and pinched my nose close as I voted for 1 stinkin' democrat. Actually, it's more accurate to say I voted AGAINST 5 incumbants.

Unfortunately, I doubt there was an honorable person among any of them.

Swanny

It's finally coming clear who you remind me of, Swanny:

"In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress."

John Adams


Posted by: gwenlee 31-Oct-2006, 07:57 AM
Personally I think that everyone that is in office has forgotten why they are there. All of them have their own agenda. I've never alinged myself with the democratic party, although I have voted for a few. Most recently it was Zell Miller (GA). I've been very disappointed in the government has grown so large, but even if the democrats take control they won't change that, it will just continue to grow. The democrats eat their own. They don't believe in their people thinking for themselves, if you stray or disagree with the party they turn on them. Look at how they have treated Joe Liebermann. I hope the polls hold true and he keeps his seat. He is a good man, I don't agree with everything about him, but I think he has the best interest of our country at heart.

The Republican party has steer off course, but you can't say the democrats have a solutions either. I'm tired of the excuses from both parties and the pointing of fingers back and forth. Personally I think we should start all over. Because everyone in Washington DC have lost the vision.

I love my country and I think we need to forget political correctness, tell the ACLU to go to Mexico and most important of all secure the borders, and stop requiring everything be in English and Spanish. Since when did we become a bilingual country? In the past all immigrants had to learn English. By the way, my inlaws are Hispanic, if you speak Spanish to my husband he will answer you in English. We made a decision a long time ago not to be bilingual and we don't regret it. My children decided on their own if they wanted to learn a foreign language. One took German, the other 3 chose Spanish.

Posted by: John Clements 02-Nov-2006, 03:11 PM
Attention all Democrats, Progressives, and Independents. I sure that most of you already know this, but for those of you who don’t… This coming Tuesday, could very well be your last chance to Vote.

Posted by: CelticCoalition 02-Nov-2006, 04:41 PM
I'll tell you what I'm getting tired of. Everytime a Republican or a Democrat does something bad, the entire country uses it as way way to paint the entire party they belong to as exactly the same. And what is worse, is it WORKS!

I don't care if some republican wrote IMs to young boys. I don't care if some democrat made comments against the troops. Should the INDIVIDUALS be held accountable? YES. Should anyone who labels themselves as belonging to the same party as these individuals be lumped in with them? NO.

The entire country has gone insane.

Posted by: Dogshirt 02-Nov-2006, 07:03 PM
Not insane, just STUPID!!!


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Posted by: Antwn 03-Nov-2006, 07:15 PM
Politicians come from the same gene pool as we do. Maybe they get sucked into the morass of character asassination and accept it as an election reality despite themselves, as if it were a role playing game and they're obliged to play the character as expected, slay the opposing demon and win the bejeweled crown, while media pundits galavant around Washington wearing auras of officialdom and scrutinize every faux pas as if it were the most significant moment in history. We sort through the effluent to determine who's the lesser of evils, assuming we survive the exasperation with enough elan to care. If this is the tenor of the election of leaders, what will become of leadership once assumed? Same old same old....

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain, my political face is the real Wizard of Oz. Who can maintain integrity amidst all that fakery?

Swanny's right about the political pendulum swing, yet maybe if the extremes become too ridiculous, balance between them should be sought, like a political yin and yang. Maybe a majority congress in one party and president in another is best - or 50/50 split in Congress, that way both parties are forced to compromise and a median is found which encompasses the ideals of both to some degree......crap, maybe I'll just pick up a latte and a good book and forget it!

Vote for the family dog, at least he doesn't spew vitriol - I can clean up the poop and deal with the drool, and though he may copulate unabashedly in the front yard with no awareness of decorum, he's not corrupt and he maintains an integrity to what he is no matter what.

Posted by: MDF3530 04-Nov-2006, 12:11 AM
It is getting pretty bad here in Illinois.

We have three statistical dead heats for congressional races:

6th District, which is Duckworth (D) vs. Roskam ® for the retiring Henry Hyde's seat
8th District, which is Bean* (D) vs. McSweeney ®
10th District, which is Kirk* ® vs. Seals (D)

Also, I think that John Laesch (D) may stand a puncher's chance against Denny Hastert* ® for the 14th.

The governor's race, Blagojevich* (D) vs. Topinka ® has gotten so nasty (even though Blagojevich has a double-digit lead in the polls) that I'm seriously considering voting for the Green Party candidate, Rich Whitney, even though I don't agree with his views on gun control (he thinks "gun control" means using both hands).

In the Cook County Board President race, I'll vote for Stroger (D) over Periaca ®, but I won't like it. I just don't like the way he got the nod after his daddy stepped down for health reasons (which he should've done years ago-it was well known that John Stroger has not been in good health for several years).

*=incumbent

Posted by: Nova Scotian 04-Nov-2006, 06:10 AM
I'm seriously considering voting for the Green Party candidate, Rich Whitney, even though I don't agree with his views on gun control (he thinks "gun control" means using both hands).




You talk like it's a bad thing.

Posted by: Fiddler 04-Nov-2006, 05:59 PM
Thinking about the root cause for all the political power emanating from the powerful (Rich folks) to the politicians could it be said that we the people share complicity? We cry foul when some politician delivers the pork but reward our own with reelection when he delivers ours. We expect our politicians to be saintly while we hold few others to the same standards. We expect government to provide cradle to grave protection then complain about the size of government.

We were attacked long before 9/11 yet many in this country do not believe we are at war with a cunning enemy who will destroy this nation if given the chance.
Tradition dictates, the party in power looses thirty or more seats in the off year elections so if there is a change of party power this time I will not slit my wrist or move to canada but we stand to lose more than just political power if we do not conduct a vigorous, non partisan war against our enemies!


Posted by: haynes9 06-Nov-2006, 10:22 AM
Working the polls tomorrow! Nothing like getting up at 4:00 AM and visiting with the elite of Ganado Arizona!

Everyone get out and vote. . . that is, except for you, John biggrin.gif ! All kidding aside, vote your conscience! There are a lot of folks who would love to have the opportunity that many of us take for granted!

Posted by: Nova Scotian 06-Nov-2006, 10:26 AM
If anyone is interested in real polls, just look at trade sports.com. Those predictions have never been wrong.

Posted by: MDF3530 06-Nov-2006, 11:40 AM
I will be voting tomorrow. My polling place, the fire station at the village hall, is within walking distance of my apartment.

Posted by: John Clements 06-Nov-2006, 05:47 PM
I’m afraid… I’m afraid… If I vote for the Democrats tomorrow, I may wake up Wednesday an enemy combatant, and end up in Guantanamo, having my fingernails pulled out. The truth is. I almost hope that they try.

haynes9, Rest assured I will be voting tomorrow, even if I'm unconscious.
Have a good evening all.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 06-Nov-2006, 05:54 PM
I already voted. He's not in my race but I'm glad Joe Lieberman never gave up thumbs_up.gif It just comes to show that just when you think you are putting the screws to someone you suddenly realize you're just screwing yourself. laugh.gif

Posted by: John Clements 07-Nov-2006, 08:18 AM
Vote like your life depends on it.

Posted by: maisky 08-Nov-2006, 04:06 AM
QUOTE (John Clements @ 07-Nov-2006, 08:18 AM)
Vote like your life depends on it.

It does. Fortunately, enough of the voters have removed the republicant blinders that the balance of power will shift. biggrin.gif

Posted by: j Padraig moore 08-Nov-2006, 10:02 AM
Well, its the day after. the Dems are in the House (maybe the Senate too), and the world has not ended. I agree with Swanny, its a pendulum thing. The GOP had its shot for 12 years and made something of a mess of it. Not saying the Dems won't too. In two years, if things are not on a better track than now, vote the Dems out!

Here in Ohio, we have had a major sea change in the Statehouse. After 16 years of GOP control, we have a Dem governor. He seems like a good man and I voted for him. His opponent was aligned early with the religious right, which really bothered me. Although I am myself a Christian and many of my fellow church members are very involved with GOP politics, we (my family) do not necessarily support all GOP candidates. The one I did support, Senator Mike DeWine, lost.

Politically, I am an Independent. I vote for whom I think will do a better job and cause the least amount of damage.

Posted by: John Clements 08-Nov-2006, 11:38 AM
Hi all.

I think yesterday was a victory for world, and a stick in the eye of oppression.

And for those of you who can stand to see the grin on my face, just go to my personal profile photo.

Posted by: John Clements 08-Nov-2006, 12:32 PM
I just saw Bushes press conformance, and surprise surprise… Now that he has to, all of a sudden he wants to be bipartisan.

Personnel, I think that Bush and this administration has raped this country, and I won’t be able to die happy, until they pay the piper.

And if you think I'm bette... You got that right!

Posted by: MDF3530 08-Nov-2006, 03:55 PM
This election really was a referendum on W. It signifies that voters are ready for a change. Bush has done nothing but play partisan politics since the day he was appointed President. There is no compromise with this man. His mentality is "my way or the highway." Maybe that's why everything he's done, from his business ventures to running the Texas Rangers (the baseball team, not the law enforcement agency) to being the Chief Executive, have been abysmal failures.

I'm not saying that the Republican congressional leadership didn't continually shoot themselves in the foot (see Tom DeLay, Jack Abramoff, Mark Foley, Duke Cunningham, Bob Ney, etc.), but the voters' displeasement with the Bush administration's policies was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Now we turn our attentions towards the presidential election in '08. Here is the likely list of candidates for both parties as I see it:

Democratic:
Clinton (I gotta be honest here-if she gets the nomination, I'll vote for her but I won't like it)
Obama (who I really like-I've been a supporter of his since he was my state senator in the Illinois General Assembly)

Republican:
Frist (there's a reason why he didn't run for re-election)
Mitt Romney (see above)
Jeb Bush (don't think he isn't thinking about running)
Condi (she'll put her name out there, probably hoping to be the nominee's running mate)

I know it's traditional for the VP of the outgoing administration to run for the presidency, but I seriously doubt if Cheney will run. Political campaigns are very stressful, and I just don't think his heart could take it.

Posted by: haynes9 08-Nov-2006, 10:18 PM
Well, we Republicans got absolutely hammered and absolutely deserved it. We had opportunities to get a lot of things done and didn't do it. I'm not happy with the results, but I can't blame people for the way they voted. We'll see what the next two years bring.

MDF, you make some great points, but if you look at the Bush record in Texas, he did a great job their of forging bipartisan coalitions. He had to deal with Bill Hobby, who was a legendary Democrat in Texas. Nothing could get done in the legislature without his approval. Bush won him over and Texas was the better for it. I think the President failed to bring that to the table in Washington. I will say that the Yellow Dog Democrats of Texas are certainly not the same as the Democrats of the eastern establishment. Perhaps W had way too much naiveté about the inner workings of the Beltway.

So. I'll lick my wounds and come back to fight another day. BTW, John, I'm glad you voted and that you were conscious when you did it tongue.gif !

I would also add McCain and Guliani to the list of Republican hopefuls, neither of which excites me very much.

Have a great day, all!

Posted by: Nova Scotian 09-Nov-2006, 06:12 AM
I'm very happy for Joe Lieberman. If anyone deserved to win it was him. His own party tried to stick it to him but he just stuck it right back. thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: j Padraig moore 09-Nov-2006, 06:55 AM
Two republicans I would vote for (for president) in a heartbeat: John McCain and Colin Powell.
Hillary as pres? Not a snowball's chance in hell. Where I live, she is the boogeyman (or is that boogeywoman?). She is absolutely hated. She is pointed to as everything that is wrong with Dems or liberals.

I am not sure the country is ready for Obama. He is a good man though.

Haynes is correct when he refers to GWB's record in Texas. He is known for reaching bipartisan accord...when he has to!

Posted by: haynes9 09-Nov-2006, 08:23 AM
QUOTE (Nova Scotian @ 09-Nov-2006, 06:12 AM)
I'm very happy for Joe Lieberman. If anyone deserved to win it was him. His own party tried to stick it to him but he just stuck it right back. thumbsup.gif

Glad for Lieberman myself. I don't agree with him on a lot of issues, but he is a man of principle and I certainly respect that!

Posted by: John Clements 09-Nov-2006, 09:38 AM
Now that the Democrats have also taken the senate, the grin on my face is even wider. But I do have one regret looming in my face, and that is, the craggy, winning, tell tail face, of Joe Lieberman. He blows which ever way the wind blows.

And as far as John McCain is concerned, I lost all respect for him. The day he jumped on the religious band wagon, and folded like a cheep camera, when he came out against torture. It makes me feel like he gave up more then just his name, rank, and serial number. The very instant he was captured.

Posted by: Nova Scotian 09-Nov-2006, 04:01 PM
QUOTE (John Clements @ 09-Nov-2006, 10:38 AM)
Now that the Democrats have also taken the senate, the grin on my face is even wider. But I do have one regret looming in my face, and that is, the craggy, winning, tell tail face, of Joe Lieberman. He blows which ever way the wind blows.

And as far as John McCain is concerned, I lost all respect for him. The day he jumped on the religious band wagon, and folded like a cheep camera, when he came out against torture. It makes me feel like he gave up more then just his name, rank, and serial number. The very instant he was captured.

Hey JC. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that the Government is all just a big game. You have to do what you have to do to survive. Not saying that that's the right thing to do. unsure.gif

Posted by: MDF3530 09-Nov-2006, 04:56 PM
QUOTE (Nova Scotian @ 09-Nov-2006, 06:12 AM)
I'm very happy for Joe Lieberman. If anyone deserved to win it was him. His own party tried to stick it to him but he just stuck it right back. thumbsup.gif

Howard Dean stuck it to Lieberman because he was a DINO (Democrat In Name Only). He's never passed up a chance to play kissy-face with W.

Posted by: MDF3530 09-Nov-2006, 05:04 PM
QUOTE (j Padraig moore @ 09-Nov-2006, 06:55 AM)
Two republicans I would vote for (for president) in a heartbeat: John McCain and Colin Powell.
Hillary as pres? Not a snowball's chance in hell. Where I live, she is the boogeyman (or is that boogeywoman?). She is absolutely hated. She is pointed to as everything that is wrong with Dems or liberals.

I am not sure the country is ready for Obama. He is a good man though.

Haynes is correct when he refers to GWB's record in Texas. He is known for reaching bipartisan accord...when he has to!

I used to like McCain, but that was before he started toeing the party line on the Sunday morning talk show circuit, most likely in hopes of W endorsing him for the presidency in '08. I guess the "Straight Talk Express" has been derailed.

I don't like Hillary either. She's grated on me ever since she was the First Lady. She's just too polarizing a figure.

Posted by: John Clements 09-Nov-2006, 09:12 PM
Nova, yes I suppose you could call it a game, and would it be great if it always ended up in a tie.

Posted by: maisky 11-Nov-2006, 09:20 AM
So, when Hillary moves back into her Washington home, will it be Condi Rice or Colin Powell that will be her VP?

Posted by: Nova Scotian 11-Nov-2006, 06:46 PM
QUOTE (MDF3530 @ 09-Nov-2006, 05:56 PM)
Howard Dean stuck it to Lieberman because he was a DINO (Democrat In Name Only). He's never passed up a chance to play kissy-face with W.

biggrin.gif Yes, but Joe still came back and won thumbs_up.gif

Posted by: stoirmeil 11-Nov-2006, 09:47 PM
QUOTE (maisky @ 11-Nov-2006, 10:20 AM)
So, when Hillary moves back into her Washington home, will it be Condi Rice or Colin Powell that will be her VP?

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Now there's a choice . . .

I suppose it's no use to say it, but I wish she wouldn't run this time. I don't think she's ready in general, and I sure don't think she'd be at her best trying to do her agenda internally while also trying to clean up after Dubya overseas. I honestly don't see her as the foreign policy wizard we are sorely going to need.

Posted by: maisky 13-Nov-2006, 04:12 AM
The other strong choice for VP could be Barak Obama.

Posted by: stoirmeil 13-Nov-2006, 08:57 AM
QUOTE (maisky @ 13-Nov-2006, 05:12 AM)
The other strong choice for VP could be Barak Obama.

Now that would be one charismatic ticket. Just the way both of them can handle themselves articulately without a script would be a mind-blowing change. I wonder if the country is ready for both the color and gender lines to be leapfrogged at once.

Posted by: maisky 13-Nov-2006, 01:10 PM
QUOTE (stoirmeil @ 13-Nov-2006, 08:57 AM)
Now that would be one charismatic ticket. Just the way both of them can handle themselves articulately without a script would be a mind-blowing change. I wonder if the country is ready for both the color and gender lines to be leapfrogged at once.

I figure that either one would make the conservative elements in the Republicant party blow their fuses. After that, one more step wont be significant. biggrin.gif

Posted by: coastman 14-Nov-2006, 01:10 PM
We are not hiding under our beds. All politics is local. conseravatives won big in our state elections and our local elections. I am afraid the Republicans in Congress were doing what the Democrats were doing pre-1994. We all hate corruption. Our government has gotten to large. George Washington was right when he said the United States should stay out of foreign entanglements. This Congress has been a "do nothing" congress. I like Joe Liberman. Why in the world would he be loyal to the Democrats after they turned their backs on him? Loyalty deserves Loyalty. cool.gif

Posted by: John Clements 14-Nov-2006, 02:39 PM
QUOTE (coastman @ 14-Nov-2006, 02:10 PM)
I like Joe Liberman. Why in the world would he be loyal to the Democrats after they turned their backs on him? Loyalty deserves Loyalty.


If Joe Liberman hadn’t kissed GW and turned republican long before the democrats turned on him, I don’t think they would have.

I think that if Colin Powell had resigned, instead of showing up at the UN with drawings. He would have been elect able.

Posted by: Antwn 16-Nov-2006, 09:36 AM
QUOTE (John Clements @ 14-Nov-2006, 03:39 PM)
If Joe Liberman hadn’t kissed GW and turned republican long before the democrats turned on him, I don’t think they would have.


I think it was the other way around, GW took the initiative with the affectionate gesture. Maybe the Dems ought to spend $40 million dollars investigating the relationship between them. I'd like to see Dubya state emphatically "I did not have sex with that congressman, Mr. Lieberman" in front of media. Maybe they should investigate the presidents email too. Who knows what suggestive comments were made. I heard on NPR congressman Waxman complain that the congressional oversight committee he'll now chair spent an inordinate amount of time investigating President Clinton's use of his christmas card list for political purposes, so tell me my suggestion is ludicrous, go ahead!


Posted by: John Clements 16-Nov-2006, 11:47 AM
Hi Antwn,

Your right, I don’t think we should spend 40 million investigating the relation between Lieberman and Bush. Hopefully that will all come out when the entire Bush administration gets indicted.

I’m sorry, you could call me stupid if you like, but I’m not sure that I understand where you are going with the rest of what you have said. But if you making a comparison about presidential ethics… Let me ask, how much money, and many lives, did Clinton lye about sex cost us?

And you know, I think if the government can read our emails, and tap our phones, we should be aloud to do the same. But that’s moot, because I don’t think that Bush even knows how to send an email.

By the way, I happened to think that Clintons, World, and North American Trade agreement, was the worst thing that could have happened to America, but it pails, in comparison to the Iraq war, that we were lied into.

As to whether you are being ludicrous or not, you’ve got me.

John

Posted by: Antwn 17-Nov-2006, 05:55 PM
No worries John, actually it was all tongue and cheek (no reference to the Bush peck intended). My remarks can be rather cryptic at times as is my humor.

I was offering something just as ludicrous as many official activities of congress, two of which I mentioned. I'm just frustrated at the entire congressional bunch at the moment, and my frustration is bipartisan. The latest attack began with the relentless barage of scathing political ads on TV. Glad that's over.



Posted by: John Clements 17-Nov-2006, 06:27 PM
Hi Antwn, thanks for the clarification. Some times I’m am closed minded and miss understand things. What kills me is how many people there are who believe in this country, right or wrong, I can’t stand it. Maybe it time to wipe the slate clean and start all over again, before the corporations suck us all dry and totally abandon the dream.
Hang in,
John

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