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Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 11:29 AM

Well, it might not work for everyone, but it does make for an interesting topic of conversation at parties. You are approaching this from the wrong angle - what you do is start with your own history and see if your history crosses paths with another's history.

Now whether or not my friend and I are actually related can only be proven through a DNA test, as I have very scanty information regarding my particular pedigree.

In my part of the country we are all related to one another whether we admit it or not. I have also read that Scotland's first "Scots" were actually from Ireland, and they came and outsted the Picts. If we get right down to it, we are all descendants of Adam and Eve.

I watched one of those Discovery Channel shows about the Neaderthals, and they recreated an actual cave-family from the ancient remains and hypethesis of scientists about who and what the Neanderthals were all about. Then they did a DNA project and actually located the caveman's possible ancestor, who turned out to be a man living just a short distance away in England.

I realize that there is much honor in having Scottish blood flowing through our viens, however, I am not so arrogant to preclude others of their Scottish heritage simply because their Scottish blood is somewhat more diluted than my own.

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 12:37 PM

While it's not my direct history My Great Uncle (My Scottish G-G-Grandfathers son. his wife can trace her history back to a William Whipple who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence and also to a Abraham Whipple. My cousin said he was an Admiral in the US Navy but my mom and dad say he was the first US Secretary of the Navy. But that is her families history I am indirectly related via marriage only. But I guess after having heard about allot of this growing up of there 2 gentleman I guess that's why I get so upset with the US Government at points. My latest tift is the tax system but won't cover that here but I guess I indirectly get some high spirited rebellious nature through them indirectly.

Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 05:33 PM

Here is a website that tells all about my Highlander kinfolk.

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/genhist/index.html

Please note, the little character on the left of that web page is the spitting image of my Uncle Joe!

Posted by: Macfive 21-Nov-2001, 11:41 PM

Wow! This looks like an interesting topic! But I guess that is what makes family history so interesting. I'll throw my two cents in:

My ancestor came from Scotland in 1770, he was actually headed for North Carolina, but was ship wrecked off the coast of Prince Edward Island during a terrible storm in October 1770. The name of the boat was the Annabella and was Captained by a Campbell, who just so happen to be a close and personal friend of George Washington! There is a monument up there in PEI that I would like to visit someday that commerates the passengers that made it through that first very very cold winter!

As far as being cousins, I understand from watching a few shows about humans, nathandarol and homo erectus (think it was the same show you were watching AKlassie) that at one point there were only 10,000 humans left. So I guess we are all related at some point.

It is funny, the more I learn about Scotland and Scotland's history, the more I come to realize that there were many groups of peoples that came together to make Scotland. The Celts, Irish, Picts, Vikings, Norweigns, French....all pooling to create the Scotland we know.

There are also a number of DNA initiates underway that I have heard of. One is particular to the Clan I belong to. Some fellow from New Zealand has a deal with a lab to have DNA tested from hair samples, then possibly exhumed an old body and compare the DNA too. Not really sure what the purpose is, other than to say...yes...I am definitely related to this person....it would seem that it is plausible that great great great great grandmom might of had an affair that was never revealed and it is possible then that the DNA passed down from the father would not be that of who they thought!

Oh well, not the stuff for me. I would rather listen to the music!

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Posted by: kylassie 22-Nov-2001, 01:23 PM

LOL!!

That looks just like my Uncle Joe's senior picture!!!!!!!!!

I hope you have saved that graphic - perhaps you could post it somewhere as an example of what becomes of the Highlander - Americans?

Toooooooooo fuuuuuuuunnnnyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kylassie 22-Nov-2001, 07:12 PM

Scottish2, you appear to be a graphics wizard - I am but a lowly apprentice!

Here is a great page of public GIFs that you might enjoy working your magic on! http://www.animfactory.com

Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 07:10 AM

I wanted to open up a discussion regarding something one of my professors said long ago - Everyone in the whole world is 6th cousin to everyone else. When I discussed genealogy issues with one of my friends, I mentioned that part of my family were Stewarts from Scotland. Well, my friend was born in Florida, and is of Cuban and Spainish background. As it turns out one of her grandfathers from Spain, had married a woman named Stewart ftom Scotland! So I guess that makes us 6th cousins! I have had many such conversations along the way in my life, and we can often find familial connections many generations removed.

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 07:58 AM

Well gave a quick look and found this so looks like 6th cousin idea is wrong. This chart goes back to 8th cousin.

http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 11:50 AM

OK was basically commenting on the fact you said EVERYBODY.

But I do agree for allot it might very well work. Though will say right now am not going to get into it either but I am not religious in any way. That said I just wanted to make that clear.

But do agree that allot of folks might very well be 6th cousins and not even know it just due to generations of spread in the family trees.

As for my Scottish blood it's there though a few generations removed. My immigrant ancestor from Scotland immigrated aroung the late 1880's and not sure if his first wife (She died of typhoid around 1906) was Scottish or not. The second wife I believe was German so...But I know my direct ancester was via the first wife so she might also be Scottish though unsure at this point as he would have been roughly 15-20 years old when he immigrated so might have married an American. So unsure at this point. But I do have Scottish blood in me.

Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 12:33 PM

Here is a little bit of information regarding Clan Taylor in Scotland:

http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/stoz/taylor2.html

It is true about the family being in the clothing business, as our American family became suit and dress tailors, dry cleaners and so forth. I am not a professional tailor, but I learned how to sew from my mother and grandmother.

Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 01:50 PM

Well, supposedly I am related to General Winfield Scott, but we are evidently the side of the family that they don't claim!
General Scott had a daughter who ran away with my great grandfather. At least that is how the story goes. She had one child from a first marriage, a girl, and then she had four boys with my great grandfather. The parents both died in an inflluenza epidemic and the oldest sister helped to raise the boys.

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 01:56 PM

That they don't claim? What are you all the black sheep of the family? The trouble makers?

LOL

Just joking. Is always neat whe you find you have famous relatives. Wondering if I will ever find any famous relatives in my history (direct history that is)

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 03:03 PM

Well I guess it's better to be a highland sheep rather then a highland cow

And while sort of just getting started have already decided doesn't make a difference who I find in my skeletons closet. Am actually surpised I could reach back (At least on my Scottish side) as far back as just prior to 1900 without having to ask much just checking dates amd such. Now the hard part is kicking myself hard in the rear end to write my Cousin (Not sure yet which number) but have her address and supposedly she can fill in more details on my Mom's fathers side of the family. Hard part is going to be my Dad's Mother as she's at least part indian and records are hard to come by. So might never get further then I have already gotten with her. My main interest anyways at least at present is my Scottish side though I know I do have Irish and English blood as well as Welsh I think but unsure of this last one.

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 10:16 PM

I feed your description into my usual search engine and I think I found his picture.

Posted by: kylassie 22-Nov-2001, 06:15 AM

WOW! Now see there, that is the type of stuff I would love to find out about my family - the names of ships and stuff ----------but NOOOOOOOOOOO my g-g-g-grandpa had to run away from home and stoway! It doesn't matter if your ancient Grandmother "had an affair" man! There are worse things you could find out about your lineage than that! It may not have been an affair - lifespans were considerabley short back then, perhaps the first husband was killed and she took a second husband? Often, the second marriage is not as well documented as the first.

Also, lets not get things further confused on this message board - there are two "lassies" - AKlassie is from Alaska. I am from Kentucky therefore I am KYlassie. If I had known that there was another "lassie" when I signed up, I would have used a different name, to avoid the confusion - however I picked a different fairie icon to help distinguish us. In all fairness she was here first, but I had no way of knowing who had signed on until after I joined up.

Posted by: scottish2 22-Nov-2001, 01:48 PM

Yeah I have a copy of it as well as the original picture. Also you can always just right click on the picture and save it as it's already on the web so...Anywho glad you got a laugh out of it.

Here's a fe new smilies also I just uploaded in case you want to use them.

http://myweb.freecasa.com/NIIM8338/mystorage/anim_bounce.gif

http://myweb.freecasa.com/NIIM8338/mystorage/jumping_crazy_smilies.gif

http://myweb.freecasa.com/NIIM8338/mystorage/smilie_google.gif

Enjoy!!!

Posted by: ChocolateFilk 01-Dec-2001, 01:05 AM

Quote from kylassie, posted on Nov. 21 2001,05:11

Mother's side of the family - grandparents were Taylors, my grandmother's maiden name was Ross. She was adopted by a family named Gallagher. Our first Scottish immigrant was grandpa's grandpa, William Issac Taylor who stowed away as a little boy on a ship from Scotland, to become a traveling medicine man in late 1700's or early 1800's. I had one great grandmother, Zadie Elizabeth Wilkins Schofield Taylor, who earned her living as a palm reader and fortune teller - she was one scary lady and very accurate!

...Mother's side of the family - grandparents were Taylors, my grandmother's maiden name was Ross. She was adopted by a family named Gallagher. Our first Scottish immigrant was grandpa's grandpa, William Issac Taylor who stowed away as a little boy on a ship from Scotland, to become a traveling medicine man in late 1700's or early 1800's. I had one great grandmother, Zadie Elizabeth Wilkins Schofield Taylor, who earned her living as a palm reader and fortune teller - she was one scary lady and very accurate!...

See this and being Clan Ross, and Having Taylors in my family line inspired me to go and look at the family tree chart my parents made from their research. Our Family lines are from North Carolin and our Taylor line ends with a John Taylor born 1750. Guess there is not a connection 'cept for maybe 12th cousind

Chocolate Filk

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 05:42 PM

Will have a look and you mean this is your Uncle joe?

If this works have given Electric Scotland credit for the graphic by linking back to their site just click on Uncle Joe �

�If not here is their address

http://www.electricscotland.com/

Note: it didn't work. The link worked fine, but no graphic unless I took it out of the URL. So...

Posted by: scottish2 22-Nov-2001, 10:37 AM

OK I edited the picture but won't post it again just to save on the download times for the page. So see the edited picture above might be on PG 2 depending on if this post becomes part of page 3. So see the last picture of Uncle Joe to see if I have him pictured perfectly

Posted by: scottish2 22-Nov-2001, 02:27 PM

Easy way to add images to your post is just hit the image button on the right side of the text formating bar. Just enter in the URL for your desired image and you'll get an image. I think what you were trying was similar to the hyperlink coding. for images you just use the follow

Code Sample:

[URL]URL for picture[/URL]

And this will give you the picture if you want to type it out but easiest just to hit the image button and let the system do the work for you. �

And I see you finally got it

Posted by: scottish2 22-Nov-2001, 07:29 PM

No just learning but have been slowly getting better at it. I use PSP 5 & 7 and also MS paint for most my graphics, but still learning the neat tricks.

Thanks for the link will be useful always looking for fun animations. All the smilies I gained through friends and sites. For my animation GIF's I use GIF construction set is a demo but it's a demo that never expires so is basically a free program.

Have you had chance to check out Paul's new site for Highlander Radio? If not check the announcements category he's got the link there and I have a feed back category under the general category that I started for feedback.

Posted by: kylassie 29-Dec-2001, 07:24 AM

I am not sure how I missed this post but it is interesting! Okay you are right we may be 12th cousins - however we may be closer than that! My Grandpa's grandpa came across the "pond" with a brother named John. However, "Taylor" is a very common name since it is a "trade" name. Please contact me at [email protected] if you would like to compare notes.

I once discovered that I am also possibly related to some African-American Taylors too, but that is another very long story!

Another family connection is through Civil War General Winfield Scott.

Slainte,

Janet
aka Kentucky Lassie

Posted by: scottish2 21-Nov-2001, 07:30 AM

Well what would happen if your stewart and his/her stewart weren't directly related? I did find it funny though this chart I have in a genealogy book does stop at level 6. I wonder if it's possible to go even further back?

Another question would be lets says for example you had never married into an asian family in your family history at all. And an asian family had never married out of their race. Then how would that make you and him/her 6th cousins? It is interesting thought though. Will have to try and look into this.

Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 12:11 PM

Okay, you don't have to be religious to be Scottish.

Here is my skimpy Scottish History. It is all based mostly on oral family tradition - very little documentation survived the Civil War Reconstruction Period, when courthouses all around along with legal documents were burned to the ground.

Father's side of the family - Kenny Stewart married to my mother, then they divorced when I was two. He had flowing natural blonde hair and a long red beard, so it can be assumed that he was of Scottish descent.

Mother's side of the family - grandparents were Taylors, my grandmother's maiden name was Ross. She was adopted by a family named Gallagher. Our first Scottish immigrant was grandpa's grandpa, William Issac Taylor who stowed away as a little boy on a ship from Scotland, to become a traveling medicine man in late 1700's or early 1800's. I had one great grandmother, Zadie Elizabeth Wilkins Schofield Taylor, who earned her living as a palm reader and fortune teller - she was one scary lady and very accurate!

Now, who can beat that colorful and checkered history?

Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 02:48 PM

Well, I approach my genealogy research with a big grain of salt. I was never worried about finding the skeletons in the family closet - on the contrary, we are probably considered the skeletons in someone else's family closet!

We are characteristically "Highlanders" so I do not know if our ways come to us by nature or by design

! If a Highlander is characterized as being "wild and wooley," then does that make my "wild and wooley" relatives *black sheep* or just *highlander sheep*? I guess it depends upon your point of perspective!

Posted by: kylassie 21-Nov-2001, 08:01 PM

Imagine him in ripped jeans and a torn tee-shirt and Yes - that is my Uncle Joe!

Posted by: scottish2 22-Nov-2001, 06:54 AM

PEI is a nice island. Was up there a few years ago on a tour my wife and her father and I did of that portion of Canada. Had allot of fun. Went to see Anna of Green Gables play and went to the homes of the author and to Green Gables homestead itself. Was allot of fun. Though I enjoy Halifax the best on that trip was a real nice city.

And not to worry KYLASSIE we don't mind having to lassies on the board. �

Oh and KYlassie did I get Uncle Joes clothing down pat?

Posted by: kylassie 22-Nov-2001, 07:19 AM

You got the clothes just RIGHT! (Now imagine a Rebel Flag printed on the t-shirt !!!)

Posted by: kylassie 22-Nov-2001, 02:20 PM

What a show off! How did you do that thing with the icons anyways? I have made several futile attempts and I can't get it to work out right.........

Posted by: kylassie 28-Nov-2001, 09:46 PM

I found this and I just HAD to post it here! Scottish2, this is what our last family reunion looked like - the last "official" one was ten years ago and we now have a mutually agreed upon ban on any future family reunions! There are 12 siblings in my mothers family, plus 36 cousins. There was drinking, fist fighting, and destruction of property, and general #### raising that my grandmother got really mad about! We still love each other and keep in touch by emails, though.

http://www.electricscotland.com/community/clipart.htm