No More Bombing, Dec. 7, 1941

Well I for one hope I'm long gone before this world starts an atomic war!

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Lets all hope that this will never happen again.

Thanks Heidi for a wonderful story.

I'll second that.

What about your children and your grandchildren? Instead of hoping to be dead before why not work towards making sure it never happens even on your decendants.

Very well said, scottish2...it's our duty as we are responsible for what we're leaving to the following generations!

Thanks! I like trying to make people think. I mean it's a shame that today it seems common sense is a dead device. I see that a lot out on some of the yahoo boards people who don't even bother to think before they post rediculous replies. I mean it's really sad.

The atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki likely saved many lives, by ending the war without the need for an assault landing on the Japanese homelands. As horrible as they were, there were far from the only devastating bombings during that war. The firebombings of Tokyo and Dresden were no doubt equally horrifying.
See, for example,
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0310-01.htm
and,
http://proliberty.com/observer/20030402.htm
Nor is high tech necessary to have extremely high casualties, as shown by massacres in Cambodia, and various parts of Africa.
As horrible as the bombings were, the courage of the brave young men flying Allied bombers deep into enemy territory, knowing they would suffer extremely high casualties themselves, is a sigficant factor in stopping the spread of totalitarianism, and allowing us to enjoy our present freedom and prosperity.
I must admit to a certain degree of bias, as I was one of the Silent Warriors
http://www.silent-warriors.com/
flew recon missions to gather the intelligence needed to give our bombers a better chance of success, should the need arise.

OK I know I stated I was not going to delve into this here but this needs clarifying.

According to the Nuremberg charter that governed the trials at nuremberg the following is considered a crime against humanity.

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/proc...tconst.htm#art6

Now who here would consider dropping an atomic bomb on a city containing an estimated 350,000 people 40,000 of which were military (Meaning 310,000 civilians) a humane act? of that 310,000 civilians about 8,000 were children. Out of that 310,000 civilians by the end of 1945 about 100,000 of the 310,000 would be dead. The lucky ones of of that 100,000 were the ones who were killed instantly. If you want to know why PM me and and I would be more then glad to show you why. Bare in mind the links I will send are quite graphic so only those who truly want to see the horror of what an atomic bomb does to human flesh need ask as that way you can see why I am against such weapons. And this is why I hate the victor of war holdig the trials because the victor never points a finger of themselves for war crimes.

Civilians get killed in war. Every war. Every type of war. War is a crime against humanity.

I sometimes think all wars should be fought only by those who declare them.

I know, a silly fantasy, but perhaps if the 'diplomats' and politicians were the ones risking their lives, then more effort would be made towards finding a peaceable solution.

Yes but there is a difference here. Yes I agree civilians do get killed in war, but the US knew full well they were not only targeting military personel but several hundred thousand civilians cause Nagasaki had about 90,000 civilians killed by that bomb. This was not a random bullet hitting a civilian this was the US dropping a bomb they knew full well would not ask every single civilian and child to step out of it's way as it killed. And the horrors of those 2 bombs were more then most knew since most have never seen or taken a look at the photos unless they have visited the museum there or as of recently visited the web to view the images of what happened.

Once again our friend speaks (writes) wisdom. Go Dude!!!

I read all the posts here carefully. I saw photos of the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I saw documentations about Pearl Harbor as well.
For me - who is no daydreamer but usually very near to reality - it is necessary to make a distinction. The topic is titled "NO MORE bombing" so it's logically not so much the question to justify or not the bombing of both Japanese towns but to point out that it must never happen again.
Further or detailed discussion about sense, justificatian or not at all should be lead in the protected forum (poiltics online). It's a very narrow path we are walking on with entering in this sort of discussion in "General Discussion" and I feel a bit uncomfortable in doing it here.....well, just my impression and opinion...

Well that is why I have been stating that this should be discussed there but people keep talking about the topic here instead of taking the gental push to the protected forum but some of the replies have needed a reply and I have tried to reply as delicately as I can here in the open forum and not shown stuff that I would not even post openly in the politics forum. But the discussion started partly because of the image in my signature. So it involves me personally. I know nobody was saying anything bad but in my honest opinion to compare pearl to hiroshima and nagasaki is not right in my personal opinion. While I agree the attack on pearl was wrong I feel that the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki were even more wrong. The Japanese at least targeted a military target. The US targeted innocent civilians while doing their military targeting. In my honest opinion.

OK now as global moderator I am closing this thread and suggest if you want to discuss this further PM me for the password for the politics forum and start a thread there and we can discuss this in more depth.