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Elspeth 
Posted: 03-Nov-2003, 04:10 PM
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OK, perhaps this is a lame question to be placed in philosophy, but I am curious.

Recently I have had crime brought right to my doorstep. In talking to the detective, he said "We don't live in Mayberry". I told him but I want to. He responded everyone wants to, but we don't.

OK, that begs for me the question

- If we all want to live in Mayberry, they why don't we?

For those perhaps unfamiliar with Mayberry, it is the setting of a 60's sitcom where crime was nonexistant, people caring and everyone looked out for one another. It has become an American byword for a social eutopia.

So, back to the question -

If we all want it, why don't we have it?

Is it a function of the majority allowing a few bad apples to dictate?

Or do we really not want it in anything but fantasy?

Can it be achieved?

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Hi Elspeth

I work for a Sheriff's office here where I live, so I see people at their very worst. No the world is not Mayberry and for the most part I don't think the world really wants it to be, but maybe some day it will happen, if and when human nature changes.


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As I have said before... I work in Loss Prevention for a major department store...what I see makes me sick!!! Parents teaching their kids to steal, teenagers out for kicks just taking , then there are those who make a living stealing!!! Had a gun pulled on me recently, third time in my life, not a good feeling!!!

Mayberry???... will never happen in our lives! To much BS and selfishness in the world... teach your own to respect and then maybe, but not Mayberry!


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Well said Shadows
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Posted: 03-Nov-2003, 07:25 PM
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Thanks!!! I meant what I said, this world sucks as long as there are those who think it owes them just for being!!!! sad.gif
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Elspeth, and all. Even the "bad guys" want to live in Mayberry. Their perception of such a place is that of a "target rich environment" where they might plunder, pillage and worse at will. Unfortunately, that is "their" view of Utopia.

I'm truly sorry that crime was brought to your door step. I truly hate to see anybody victimized, especially those of gentle spirit but I'm afraid that so long as we live on this world that is something we will have to endure.

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Thank you so very much for your kind words Swanny, they are greatly appreciated.

Shadows and Kidclaymore, you guys have the unenviable task of dealing with, for lack of a better word, the dregs. However, that is what? Five, ten percent of society as a whole?

So, I go back to the original question.

I guess one of the questions I come back to is what can the rest of us, those who do not live our lives or raise our children in the manner of those you interact with, what can we do to reclaim our society?

Like in that movie clip - I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Why do we just wish for it to be better?

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Look again! If you think it is only 5 to 10 % you are in need of an awakening!!!

It is more like 25 - 33 % that steal!!!

My store alone has a $1.5 million loss each year to grandma's, grandapa's, brothers, sisters, momma's, daddies, and all those between that feel it won't hurt to take this one thing, the owners have so much! Like hell!!!

Everytime someone steals the cost of the goods you buy goes up by 5%!!! That alone makes me MAD!!! that means that my dollars don't go as far as they did last year!!!

I don't know about you but my salary does not go up by 5% every year, so I am paying more just to live because there are those that think we all owe them to live!!!

There is more dishonesty in the world then you seem to realize...!

And that just covers the honest part of society.. we have yet to touch those that thrive off of criminality!!!

Come into my world for a few weeks... your opinion of those around you will change!
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QUOTE (Elspeth @ Nov 3 2003, 04:10 PM)
Recently I have had crime brought right to my doorstep. In talking to the detective, he said "We don't live in Mayberry". I told him but I want to. He responded everyone wants to, but we don't.

OK, that begs for me the question

- If we all want to live in Mayberry, they why don't we?


We can live in Mayberry.

The Town I live in is quiet. We have a population here of 98, so it is not the Big City. We don't have neighbors calling the law on neighbors. It is all handled peacefully. All the neighbors knows each other and everyone watches out for all the kids. We don't stick our nose in everyone business. We all take notice if something is wrong. And we have no trouble.

The main thing is that the children are taught to respect their Neighbors. And the Adults respect the kids.

So what is wrong with Mayberry? What are the exact requirements for it?

Mayberry was not just a Town, it was a Community

The thing that is probably missing is just one word, "RESPECT"


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The thing that is probably missing is just one word, "RESPECT"


You're on the right track here.

My personal opinion though is that what is truly lacking in our world today is a defined by a word that only seems to be heard in old war movies. That word is honor.

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QUOTE (Swanny @ Nov 3 2003, 08:59 PM)

That word is honor.


Swanny,

I will agree with that too. Why don't we combine the two words and make three out of them.

Honor and Respect.
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I am raising my children to respect, honor and even obey. (man, they are getting ready to get married! biggrin.gif )

Seriously, we do that and so do most others we know, but certianly not all.

Of course we can only control our own actions, but again, so often people sit back and wish for what they lack. There must be more. Can we all move to your town Richard? laugh.gif

Perhaps it is in the awareness of the need where change can be brought about.

But what are we to do with those in society who do not respect or honor?

So often it seems to come back to a front porch mentality. Another version of Mayberry. But when people had front porches and used them, they knew their neighbors and knew what was going on in the neighborhood. Knew who was in need too.

We use our front porch, but few others do.
Most use their decks hidden away. Everyone living their private lives. Perhaps that is why we have lost our sense of community in most places.
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The thing is, the people who want to live in peace are in a minority. Sure there's alot of people who want's peace and safety, but those who pray on such people are more numerous. Richard, its nice to live in a small town, But how far is it to the big city next to where you live?. But really it dosn't matter, sooner or later the "bad people" start moving out to the small towns for earier pickings. I hope and pray that this dosn't happen where you live, but I have seen it many times before, It happen to my family and I. The point is unless you move so far out, it will catch up to you no matter what you do. I feel as if scoiety as a whole is breaking down.
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A word that has been floating through all these posts but doesn't seem to have been highlighted is the key. That word is community. When you know your neighbors, you will care for and about them. You don't prey on people you care for. So often today we don't know the guy next door or across the hall, never mind the guy two doors down or on the next floor. We need to make a deliberate effort to connect. I know it's not the only answer, and it won't work on the sociopaths, but it's a start.


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QUOTE (3Ravens @ Nov 3 2003, 09:58 PM)
When you know your neighbors, you will care for and about them.

You forgot one thing, 3Ravens. When you know, and like them. tongue.gif


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