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| Posted by: Turkceltic 05-Nov-2005, 01:51 PM |
| God Bless Free Alba !!! |
| Posted by: Aaediwen 05-Nov-2005, 04:18 PM |
| Personally, I'm a fan of the idea of a independant Scotland. My personal opinin is that the best scenerio between Scotland and England would be something similar to between the US and England. Independant, allied nations. I say the same for Northern Ireland. However, that is just this American's opinion, and based on some conversatons I've had with those more directly affected by this issue, I'm getting an impression that the general mindset might be considerably different. |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 05-Nov-2005, 07:40 PM |
| Why does Scotland want to throw England and Wales out of the United Kingdom (a kingdom created by the Scottish Royal Stewart Clan)? |
| Posted by: Rindy 05-Nov-2005, 08:55 PM |
| Freedom Slainte  |
| Posted by: subhuman 06-Nov-2005, 08:29 AM |
| I have to agree with Aaediwen on this. Although the "ancestral homeland" has a bloody and negative history with England (bear in mind that the UK parlaiment is in England) for many centuries, recent events have been different. Those of us who are of Scot descent are not living there for one main reason: our ancestors who opposed English rule and policies left Scotland. Whether it was their choice or by force may vary, but the bottom line is that we don't live there. I for one would love to see a free Scotland, a Scotland that once again has a separate national identity- something seriously lacking for many centuries. However, I'm not casting a vote on this topic- I don't see the choice of "let the citizens vote" listed. The SNP has been gaining support and membership- I think it's only a matter of time until the choice for separation is made. As for MacEoghainn, The Stuarts were not in power when the Act of Union went into effect in 1707. Prior to that time they may have shared a monarch, but were two separate countries. Considering 'The Fifteen' and 'The Forty-Five' Scottish preference seemed to have lain with the Stuarts. |
| Posted by: MacEoghainn 06-Nov-2005, 08:47 AM | ||
Since this topic has turned decidedly political (Not sure if Turkceltic meant it to be a political discussion) I've started a thread in Politics Live of the same title (and a revised poll). My response to subhuman resides there. Carry on.  |
| Posted by: Turkceltic 06-Nov-2005, 02:00 PM |
| Actually ,i thought about this and decided to open it in here cos although the topic includes politics , thats about scotland and specifically about scottish people thats why i put it in here .But it realy doesnt mind wherever it is 4 me ... About style of independency , as u know " the freedom don't given ,its taken " And people of Scotland will take it from England who hold the sovereignty. thats not going to be with peace and democracy - England never want a free scotland near of him.First thats realy dangerous situation from strategly ,second that'll be example for other nations and GB can collapse after all. Be sure, if there will be an referandum for Freedom, definitely wont be fairy ! So fight will be the only solution ! - At last ,if scotland can be free , UK 'll be its biggest rival! Maybe Ireland and Scotland going to establish a ConFederation (as like first formation of USA ,and feature it turns to Celtic Federation ,thats better solution i think. |
| Posted by: Turkceltic 07-Nov-2005, 02:45 PM |
and actually the topic is do u want to see free scotland or not ,but it turned to how can scotland be free or whats the ways ... anyways  |
| Posted by: Aaediwen 07-Nov-2005, 05:40 PM |
| Don't feel bad. Sure, it was a bit poorly worded if that was the intent. But most threads here tend to drift |
| Posted by: Eiric 08-Nov-2005, 01:28 AM |
| I'd like to see a free Alba - Tha mi ag iaraidh an Alba saoirse! I am planning on moving to Scotland and become a citizenship of Alba is way cooler than become a citizenship of Great Britain! |
| Posted by: givo 03-Jun-2006, 07:02 PM |
| Im first generation scot but i live in Australia i think that all of the celtic nations need each other and England they may not like it because England has control over them but over time if the people vote for the S.N.P. and scottish resistance groupes then it will happen. one other thing why doesnt Alba just drop out of the commonwealth like Fiji and south africa did and then go from there. slainte. ALBA GU BRATH givo |
| Posted by: teashoci 05-Jun-2006, 10:42 AM | ||
you are completely ignorant of scottish economics and politics, scotland has a higher gorss domestic output than england and can easily sustain itself if it was to gain independance. according to government documents exposed to the public by the freedom of information act this has been well known throught out conservative and labour government's for decades. your lack of knowledge regarding scottish affairs convinces me you are not infact scottish for a scotsman to say such degenerative rubbish like you have is the same as having his spine surgically removed. |
| Posted by: Siarls 19-Jun-2006, 04:13 AM |
| Why does remaining part of Britain mean losing our freedom? I don't want Wales or Scotland to be independent (sorry), but I'd like us to have more control. I don't see why being part of the United Kingdom means subjugation by London. And I do also agree that the Celtic Nations need each other - we need to support each other. The Welsh are as ignorant of other Celtic cultures as are the other Celts. Many people to whom I speak here are even unaware of the Breton and Cornish Languages - the very sister languages of Welsh! |
| Posted by: teashoci 19-Jun-2006, 10:42 AM |
| cornish independance as well as welsh holds no kind of interest for me, I support an independant and republic scotland. Information regarding scotlands economic attributes to britain have shown the sheer volume of revenue from north sea oil , gas and major energy and water supplied abroad and to england have been hidden from the scots. The shows the current union with england has caused scotland inward economic revenues to suffer resulting in a weaker scotland. But lets not put this down to money, by annexing the rouge unified state that is britain, i belive a scottish identity will flourish especially as i personally would like to see scotland remain in the european union. we cannot make these decisions ourselves regarding englands westminister and the control it has over legislative diplomocy concerning the scottish and european parliments. we can only make our own decisions and allow our scottish economy and identity to flourish if we cut off the dead leg that is england. |
| Posted by: stoirmeil 10-Jul-2006, 04:23 PM |
| Hello -- just want to post this link to an article in today's Scotsman, "Independence Inside UK 'Is Possible' ", and then a long discussion section of postings by readers. http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1003252006 |
| Posted by: TheCarolinaScotsman 10-Jul-2006, 05:08 PM |
| As part of the great Scottish diaspora, my heart would love to see an independent and free Scotland. That said, it remains to the people living in Scotland to decide what is right for them. Understand, I am not so much "anti-England" as I am pro-Scotland and just want what is best for the land of my ancestors. |
| Posted by: Siarls 20-Nov-2006, 03:43 AM |
| Being half Scottish, I love Scotland but I don't think it needs to be independent to express itself. Being a British citizen is far more beneficial and the Nationalists are passionately blind. In my opinion, England does need to open up more to our Celtic cultures, though Scotland chose to be part of the United Kingdom with James VI / I and I doubt Scotland's modern claims to be Celtic. A fierce pride is sweaping Ireland, Wales and Cornwall to keep our languages alive. The Scottish including my father have no care for Gaelic and care more for Scots, which, let's face it, is just English written to reflect the Scottish accent. English written to the reflect other accents are regarded to be unprofessional and almost ignorant, why is Scots any different?! If you asked my father "Should Alba be independent?", he'd probably reply, "Where's Alba?" My mother would have more of a clue of what Alba is thanks to her Welsh, so why do the Celtic nations not support each other more?! |
| Posted by: Haggishead 08-Nov-2007, 04:40 PM |
| Check this out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kK6LkpfZ94s It the The Corries doing their version of Scotland the Brave. If you have ever wondered about the thought of independence, just listen through until the last verse. |
| Posted by: Lady of Avalon 08-Nov-2007, 06:54 PM |
| Yes, they've been thinking about it for a long long verra long time. I'm sure they'll get it. Scots are a stubborn lot that's one of their many qualities. |
| Posted by: gwenlee 13-Nov-2007, 07:17 PM |
| I think every country has a right to independence. The issue of independence for Scotland should be left up to the citizens of Scotland. Gwenlee |
| Posted by: Haggishead 14-Nov-2007, 11:24 AM |
| Here is a blip from an article from The Scotsman: "ALEX Salmond has, for the first time, named a date by which he believes Scotland will be an independent country - 2017. The First Minister made the dramatic assertion on the eve of the SNP's first budget in government, a day in which the party will set out its spending priorities over the next three years." The whole article is http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=1800842007. |
| Posted by: TMcAdams 06-Aug-2008, 11:09 AM |
| FREEDOM |
| Posted by: Camac 06-Aug-2008, 01:46 PM | ||
TMcAdams; I'm all for the independence of my birthplace it is long overdue. Scotland when independent will still be part of the United Kingdom, still a member of the Commonwealth and there will still be no border between the rest of Britain. Scotland will join the EU and the UN and maybe just maybe I pray reinstate the Highland Regiments the English have so blatantly disbanded or amalgamated. ALBA GU BRAUGH. Camac.PS. Read my poem "The Red Lion of the North" in Celtic Hearts. |
| Posted by: oldraven 08-Aug-2008, 08:14 AM | ||
I think you need to get your view of the UK into this century. It's not England. The people of Scotland are free. Your view of the situation appears to be far more Turkish than British. Take that however you feel, but I think the last thing anyone wants is to see Scotland 'fighting' with the UK (themselves), or England, as you put it. Least of all the Scots and English. |
| Posted by: Camac 08-Aug-2008, 08:30 AM |
| oldraven; I see Salmon has set the date as 2017 for total Independence. Hope it happens . The only thing that will really change is the Tax revenues will all stay in Scotland along with a bigger share of Oil royalties. Camac. |
| Posted by: DesertRose 16-Sep-2008, 03:50 AM |
| I feel that any country who wants independence should be able to have it. We, Americans, fought for freedom during the American Revolution at a great price. As an American, who has never lived in GB, let alone visited the country, I don't feel I have a say-so. It is up to the folks who live in Great Britain to speak for themselves as to what they desire....not anyone else who lives outside the country. Just the way I feel.  |
| Posted by: Camac 16-Sep-2008, 08:34 AM |
| DesertRose; I understand how you feel and maybe in some respects you are right,but for those who are like me, born in Scotland and raised in Canada and have many many relatives in Scotland the situation is different. I myself long for the day when the "Jack" is replaced by the "Saltire" and the unequal dominence by England is repalced with a true partnership. Camac. |
| Posted by: CelticQueenCelticLord 02-Feb-2009, 10:44 PM |
| SAOIRSE |
| Posted by: celticlord 02-Feb-2009, 11:33 PM |
| It should be recognized as its own soverignty |
| Posted by: MacDonnchaidh 06-Feb-2009, 04:20 PM | ||
Well that's the thing, with James I & VI being the King of England and Scotland the Monarch of Great Britain is the sovereign of Scotland as well as England and Wales too (who can forget the Welsh?). If Scotland became independent of England they would be saying "We don't want our king/queen anymore." I am not a native of Scotland, I am Scots-Canadian, so I am not up to date with Scottish politics, economy and general public opinion, I am just putting in my say to the question asked. As has been pointed out, Scotland is a separate nation from England and Wales all of which make up the Island of Great Britain and the United Kingdom. In the past England, like America, in order to conquer and subdue the neighboring people smother the culture of the natives with their own. Therefore in my opinion Scotland should remain under the monarch of the United Kingdom, but they should have more autonomy of their parliament and recognize their own culture which would make them more independent from the shadow of England without actually rebelling like the colonies of the New World *cough* *cough*. |
| Posted by: glaswegian 10-Mar-2009, 01:50 PM |
| scotland has enough autonomy in its parliment. I feel for the english who have no devolved powers and are dictated to by scottish, welsh Mps who have a say on english matters but not vice versa. "recognize their own culture which would make them more independent"[I] We do recognize our own culture. and as for independance, we live in a deomcracy and if the scots wanted independance we would vote for it. |
| Posted by: glaswegian 11-Mar-2009, 08:27 AM |
| I would like to say that I take offense at this poll, scotland is NOT under english rule and has not been under english rule since bannockburn. England, Scotland, N.Ireland and Wales are unbder rul from westminister parliment which is currently composed of one scottish prime minister and a significant number of scots in the cabinet. After devalution scotland is free to enjoy far more autonomy in its own affairs, a freedom that is denied by the english. |
| Posted by: glaswegian 11-Mar-2009, 08:28 AM |
| *a freedom that is denied to the english. |
| Posted by: oldraven 11-Mar-2009, 12:54 PM | ||
This is exactly why I haven't stated whether I think Scotland should be 'free'  or under 'English rule' in this thread. It could have been an interesting poll, but it was severely botched by the Original Poster. I now notice that three of his only five posts were made in this thread. I think he may have been trolling. Calling for war between Scotland and England so the Scots can be free? No rational person in the 21st century would ask for such a thing. |
| Posted by: glaswegian 11-Mar-2009, 03:33 PM |
| A better poll would have been do you a. want scotland to stay in the union. b. want scotland to leave the union. |
| Posted by: oldraven 12-Mar-2009, 07:19 AM |
| I agree. In fact, please feel free to make a new thread with the proper question posed. I promise to answer that poll. |
