Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )









Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

> Gloomy Celticradio.net ~might~ Go Out Of Business?, H.R. 2060; Internet Radio Equality Act
Bookmark and Share
ancientone 
Posted: 15-Jul-2007, 05:58 AM
Quote Post

Member is Offline



Peasant
Group Icon

Group: Founder
Posts: 2
Joined: 30-Dec-2003
ZodiacBirch

Realm: Northern California, USA {Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Monterey & San Benito counties}

female





SUBJ: rip_1.gif gloomy "celticradio.net ~might~ go out of business" email from Paul McArthur 12 July 2007

Hi Paul,

sadwalk.gif You are awfully gloomy.
wallbash.gif It seems that you are assuming that we all aren't willing to pay higher fee(s) to keep celticradio.net going.
lightbulb.gif Create a payment structure that'll cover your higher operating costs based on higher royalty rates.
fear.gif Do you think that customers will abandon celticradio.net in droves if they are asked to pay more?
lookaround.gif You don't know that until you test the "new business plan."
yes.gif I'm sticking around.
gossip.gif What's everyone else think?

huh.gif Why isn't there a discussion about this already?

cheers.gif Cheers.

Laura S.
north central coast of California, USA

> H.R. 2060
> Internet Radio Equality Act
> Our last day for this campaign is tomorrow.
> Unfortunately, the reality is that webcasting will be for only the large rich corporation after July 15th. Those that can "cut" a deal with the RIAA. While I have been hopeful that Celtic Radio could continue, the writing on the wall seems to state otherwise.
> Again, my heart felt thanks for everyone that has support our music vision over the years!
> Paul MacArthur
PMEmail Poster               
Top
AShruleEgan 
Posted: 15-Jul-2007, 08:37 AM
Quote Post

Member is Offline



Celtic Guardian
Group Icon

Group: Ireland
Posts: 2,131
Joined: 19-Jun-2003
ZodiacRowan

Realm: Winston-Salem, North Carolina

male





QUOTE (ancient_one @ 15-Jul-2007, 06:58 AM)
SUBJ: rip_1.gif gloomy "celticradio.net ~might~ go out of business" email from Paul McArthur 12 July 2007

Hi Paul,

sadwalk.gif You are awfully gloomy.
wallbash.gif It seems that you are assuming that we all aren't willing to pay higher fee(s) to keep celticradio.net going.
lightbulb.gif Create a payment structure that'll cover your higher operating costs based on higher royalty rates.
fear.gif Do you think that customers will abandon celticradio.net in droves if they are asked to pay more?
lookaround.gif You don't know that until you test the "new business plan."
yes.gif I'm sticking around.
gossip.gif What's everyone else think?

huh.gif Why isn't there a discussion about this already?

cheers.gif Cheers.

Laura S.
north central coast of California, USA


A.O. aka Laura,

Your plan certainly sounds reasonable, except, you forgot one thing. The fees that are being discussed by the government, are meant to put internet radio out of business. The fees are extremely high and they know that even the largest of any internet radio station could not afford to pay them. Hence, commercial radio wins.

Even though CR has almost 16,000 (as I write this) folks who have signed up to be a member, I would be greatly surprised if 1/10 of that number have anything to do with CR, be it just the radio and/or the forum. If you go into the list of people, you will find that most have never even posted in this forum. You yourself are proof of that. The above is your first post in almost 4 years as a member. This isn't meant to bash you and the others, it's just to make a point to show, even though there seems to be a large membership here, there really isn't. Which means, the active members are not enough to even come close to supporting this radio station, with the fees that the government wish to charge.

Make your gripe known, call your Senator and Congressman. It's that simple.
PMEmail Poster               
Top
Aaediwen 
Posted: 15-Jul-2007, 09:40 AM
Quote Post

Member is Offline



Celtic Guardian
Group Icon

Group: Super Moderator
Posts: 3,068
Joined: 09-Oct-2003
ZodiacHolly

Realm: Kentucky

male





Amen to ASE. As much as I'd like to see otherwise, CRN already only barely pays for itself through the wide array of things Paul has found to fund it. In order to pay these rates, founder fees would probably have to increase to a couple hundred dollars a year each, provided we didn't lose any founder members in the process. Even then I can't say it would be enough.


--------------------
Poet and seeker of knowledge



PMEmail Poster My Photo Album               
Top
ShadowDarkFyre 
Posted: 15-Jul-2007, 12:04 PM
Quote Post

Member is Offline



ur-Lord of the Domain and Realms
********

Group: Celtic Nation
Posts: 283
Joined: 09-Mar-2006
ZodiacBirch

Realm: Caer RivenMyst, Fantasia I.D.

male





Celticradio has my loyalty. I already called my congressmen to stand up for the new Internet Radio act to save interent radio. But paying more is something I'd also be willing to do to keep it going.


--------------------
user posted image

There's magick in believing...

The Domain and Realms
http://www.thedomainandrealms.com
PMEmail PosterUsers Website               
Top
CelticRadio 
Posted: 15-Jul-2007, 07:36 PM
Quote Post

Member is Offline



Celtic Guardian
Group Icon

Group: Administrator
Posts: 9,260
Joined: 23-Sep-2001
ZodiacOak

Realm: Toronto, CAN

female

Medieval Kingdom
Rank #68
14,672,327 Gold!






If I take the rate times the number of sound performances on a yearly basis it comes to about $10,000 a year just for the royalty payments. This will increase each year until 2010 when it would be $25,000.

This is on the assumption that we do not gain any more additional listeners!

Add the other license fees which are about $2000-$3000 and then add all of the regular expenses like hardware, bandwidth, software, mailing & mailers, ink catridges, domain charges, hosting charges and other misc stuff then you are talking about 25%-40% additional expenses.

The audio portion of our broadcast does not generate any revenue; other than a small referral fee that reduces our bill from Live365. While we offer audio advertising, we have 0 audio advertisers.

The rates are more for a larger business like AOL, Yahoo, MSN, CBS - they make tons of money in advertising and should pay appropriately for broadcasting music which adds value to their site and business.

Small webcasters should have a special deal which allows them to grow. Smaller fees to start out then larger fees as they get bigger. Having these large fees for small broadcasters will result in all of them going out of business. I have gone over the numbers and there is just no business plan to support that.

There is also a $500 fee for each channel. That is why Live365 is fighting this. They would need to add $500 to each broadcasters fee which would more than double the rate (and that does not include the new royalty rate!).


--------------------
Celtic Radio DJ
http://www.CelticRadio.net
Celtic Radio Music Network
PMEmail PosterUsers Website My Photo Album               View my Facebook Profile.View my Linked-In Profile.View my Google plus Profile.View my Twitter Profile.View My Space Profile.View my YouTube Profile.
Top
haynes9 
Posted: 15-Jul-2007, 09:27 PM
Quote Post

Member is Offline





Celtic Guardian
Group Icon

Group: Super Moderator
Posts: 11,084
Joined: 05-Jun-2005
ZodiacElder

Realm: Ganado, Navajo Nation, Arizona

male





Welcome, Ancient One! Glad you have found us.

Many of us are loyal to Highlander Radio and would be willing to pay extra fees, but I think Paul has ably demonstrated that the fees in question are off the charts. The best thing is to be thankful for the reprieve we have gotten, but still fight this thing like crazy to get some permanent relief from Congress. I intend to keep the pressure on my senators and reps. They need to be reminded that they work for us!

Thanks for all the good work, Paul.


--------------------
Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost. -- John Quincy Adams

Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less - Robert E. Lee

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved - Romans 10:13 (KJV)

The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble, and he knoweth them that trust in him - Nahum 1:7 (KJV)
PMEmail PosterUsers WebsiteMy Photo Album               
Top
Rindy 
Posted: 16-Jul-2007, 10:49 PM
Quote Post

Member is Offline



Braveheart Member
******

Group: Celtic Nation
Posts: 128
Joined: 27-Jan-2004
ZodiacBirch


female





I am behind Celtic Radio 100%. I would gladly pay what ever it takes to keep it going. This place is the best place ever. I am calling and calling.. I just wish tere was more we could do.

Slainte
PMEmail Poster               
Top
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

Reply to this topicStart new topicStart Poll

 









Celtic Radio is a TorontoCast radio station that is based in Canada. They provide music license coverage through SOCAN.
Celtic Radio Network, Highlander Radio, Celtic Moon, Celtic Dance Tavern, Ye O' Celtic Pub, Celt-Rock-Radio.
All rights and trademarks reserved. Read our Privacy Policy.
Celtic Graphics , Cari Buziak


Link to CelticRadio.net!
Link to CelticRadio.net
View Broadcast Status and Statistics!

Best Viewed With Chrome (1680 x 1050 Resolution), Javascript & Cookies Enabled.


[Home] [Top]