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Posted: 27-Oct-2008, 11:49 PM
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Here is an interesting video that a friend sent to me tonight. Worth viewing - not sure of how accurate it is, but they make a very convincing case:

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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 05:50 AM
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Hmmm, I had previously dismissed this issue as Republican propaganda...not so sure now. Thanks for the video.

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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 07:28 AM
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I heard on the radio the other day that papers had been filed with the
Washington State Attorney General for the same reason. But I notice
that this is NOT making it to the mainstream media! dry.gif


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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 07:37 AM
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1. It doesn't matter what Obama's step father did or didn't do to get him in school. The only way a natural born citizen can lose his citizenship is to personally renounce it as an adult.

2. I recently had to have my birth certificate for some legal paperwork. I couldn't find the original so I got a certified copy. The seal on the copy looks different than the seal on the original.

3. The charges are unsubstantiated. Most of what he says is only his word. The rest is distorted versions of the truth that are inaccurate. Go to http://www.fightthesmears.com/ to learn the truth about many smear attempts that are circulating.


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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 08:43 AM
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Why doesn't he just produce the documents? If he has nothing to hid then so what?
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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 08:55 AM
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He already has produced the documents (not in court, but released publically), this man just won't accept their authenticity. That's not Obama's fault. As to the court case, I'd fight too if some guy called me a liar and wouldn't accept my documents as real.
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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 28-Oct-2008, 08:55 AM)
He already has produced the documents (not in court, but released publically), this man just won't accept their authenticity. That's not Obama's fault. As to the court case, I'd fight too if some guy called me a liar and wouldn't accept my documents as real.

Then what's the problem with producing them in court? It would take no more than a day and the whole thing would be over with.


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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 28-Oct-2008, 07:37 AM)
The charges are unsubstantiated.

For one, I think if a candidate for president has his/her birth place put into question, then it should be law that they produce documentation proving that birthplace, and to do so without any hesitation whatsoever. That should be law. Secondly, I cannot understand anyone, regardless of ideological leaning, stating that the charges are unsubstantiated. Of course they are unsubstantiated. That's what's being asked of Obama, to provide evidence that he is an American-born citizen of the United States. What's wrong with that? It is, after all, in our constitution. Don't you want to have, at the least, our legal system assure the constitution is being adhered to on the most fundamental level? This issue could easily be rectified if Obama would simply produce a birth certificate. I have the same question...what's he hiding?


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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 09:23 AM
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He has produced it. See the website I listed. The lawsuit doesn't ask him to produce it in court, just to make it public. He has. But this man won't accept it. He has been proven to be an American citizen, but people such as this man keep it stirred up to create doubt. Again, go to the web site listed in my first answer and look at Obama's birth certificate. It has been produced.
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Between, Smear campaigns, Lawsuits, and plots to kill Obama I think somebody's out to get him.


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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 28-Oct-2008, 09:23 AM)
He has produced it. See the website I listed. The lawsuit doesn't ask him to produce it in court, just to make it public. He has. But this man won't accept it. He has been proven to be an American citizen, but people such as this man keep it stirred up to create doubt. Again, go to the web site listed in my first answer and look at Obama's birth certificate. It has been produced.

There is a huge problem with that website, it is clearly pro Obama. It is owned and ran by Obama for America. So, my question is if Obama is lying, why wouldn't a group who is trying to get him elected also lie?
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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (Skeleman @ 28-Oct-2008, 10:39 AM)
There is a huge problem with that website, it is clearly pro Obama. It is owned and ran by Obama for America. So, my question is if Obama is lying, why wouldn't a group who is trying to get him elected also lie?

Why wouldn't someone against Obama lie? You want Obama to produce his birth certificate, he does and you say its a lie. If your not going to believe the evidence then I can't change your mind.

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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 11:11 AM
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You want Obama to produce his birth certificate, he does

.JPGs can be easily altered, original documents cannot.
He has not produced the document as of yet- he has produced an image of the document. Copies of a birth certificate are not valid for proof of citizenship- and that is what he produced, a copy.
You cannot get a job, a driver's license, or a passport if you use a copy of a birth certificate as proof of citizenship.
In addition, it clearly states that any alterations invalidate the document- yet it has been altered. The certificate number has been blacked out. In any legal sense, that is not acceptable proof.
So no, he has not produced his birth certificate.


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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (subhuman @ 28-Oct-2008, 12:11 PM)

You cannot get a job, a driver's license, or a passport if you use a copy of a birth certificate as proof of citizenship.

Since he has a job, a driver's license and a passport, by your reasoning, that proves he has a valid birth certificate.

As to the above image being a copy, do you expect him to pass his original certificate from hand to hand to hundreds of millions of people? If not, then any publically released document will be a copy or image.

Of course, no amount of proof will satisfy those whose minds are already made up and closed to any other conclusion.
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Posted: 28-Oct-2008, 02:26 PM
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QUOTE (TheCarolinaScotsman @ 28-Oct-2008, 12:24 PM)
Of course, no amount of proof will satisfy those whose minds are already made up and closed to any other conclusion.

And you seem to be one of those people.
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