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Posted: 22-Oct-2008, 06:55 AM
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Gwenlee, MacFive, JC,

I agree w/you all. Some people may say, "Both sides have been the problem" and not mean it. But I really believe our 2 political parties have intentionally split the American people by spinning campaigns and promoting ideological platforms that trick us into believing we must be either Republican or Democrat. I would bet that for the most part, Americans are moderate - believing that the answers are somewhere in-between...life is surely not black or white...there is alot of gray.

Whomever becomes President should put the line-item-veto into law...talk about getting rid of unnecessary pork that both sides like to insert! I think Clinton and "W" both tried to put it in w/no success. I wonder why? I am missing something?

You know, debating like this really does make me smile...Americans are still a feisty bunch...and we're still allowed to have our opinions and respect each other for our passions.

Hats off to all of you who care enough to fight. rockon.gif

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Posted: 22-Oct-2008, 08:49 AM
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Since most of you know that I believe that the Bush administration was behind the attack on 911. I can’t help but think that Joe Biden, (being on the inside) agrees with my thinking, (along with millions of others out there) and so his warning to expect another crisis, should Obama win the presidency, along with an appeal for help. Is simply because he expects to gain a majority in both the house and the senate, and there for will be able to have a “real” investigation, as to who the “real” terrorists are. You know it’s all just a big chess game out there, and one has to be able to anticipate your appoints next move. You all may think I’m crazy, but what could be crazier then what has happened to us, since Bush got into office.
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Posted: 22-Oct-2008, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (Jillian @ 22-Oct-2008, 07:55 AM)

Hats off to all of you who care enough to fight. rockon.gif

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I think it is our celtic blood.

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Posted: 22-Oct-2008, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE (j Padraig moore @ 22-Oct-2008, 12:49 PM)
QUOTE (Jillian @ 22-Oct-2008, 07:55 AM)

Hats off to all of you who care enough to fight. rockon.gif

Jillian

I think it is our celtic blood.

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I do belive you are right!

For now the protest is verbal but it still puts one in the cross hairs of the establishment.

One should vote carefully and then become very vocal activists working to return our government to honesty, integrity and both fiscal and moral responsibility.

It is a monumental task and many of us will never see it happen.

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Posted: 22-Oct-2008, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (gwenlee @ 21-Oct-2008, 09:25 PM)
JC folks like you keep folks like me on our toes. I would gladly sit down with you and have a cup of coffee and enjoy a good conversation. You're okay. thumbsup.gif

I don’t know gwenlee…you and I over a cup of coffee? You know I’ve never hit a woman, (mostly because I’m afraid of getting the crap kicked out of me), and you know I wouldn’t want to push it.
Hey! Maybe if we had a 350lb Sumo Wrestler to referee?
Don’t you wish all differences were little ones?
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I don’t know gwenlee…you and I over a cup of coffee? You know I’ve never hit a woman, (mostly because I’m afraid of getting the crap kicked out of me), and you know I wouldn’t want to push it.


JC,

Always remember ... BREATH.

When we're so amped up, it makes it difficult to make clear decisions. argue.gif

Maybe tea would be a better idea!!

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I have voted and my work for Chuck Baldwin (Constitution party) will have little effect. Now I am just watching. From the EC vote totals now (Zogby polls) I expect Obamna to win though the decision may be made in the House of Representatives. I still believe there is a segment of the population out there which may alter the poll results. They will say one thing publicly and do another in the voting booth.

As a member of the Constitution party my political beliefs are far from those held by Obama. However, I am far more concerned about who is elected to the House and Senate. That will determine the course the nation will follow.

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I am the first to admit that I am not well versed in the American Political System and there are times I sit scratching my head and trying to figure out how your system works and how anything ever gets done . As to your election process well I give up it is just to complicated. I like it simple. I go to the Polling station, identify myself get a folded up ballot, go to the booth, unfold the ballot, find my candidates name, mark an X in the circle beside the name ,(with the pencil that is provided), refold the ballot and put it in the ballot box. Finished.

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QUOTE (Jillian @ 23-Oct-2008, 05:36 AM)

JC,

Always remember ... BREATH.

When we're so amped up, it makes it difficult to make clear decisions.  argue.gif

Maybe tea would be a better idea!!

Jillian

BREATH...You mean I’m supposed to exhale that breath I took when the doctor smacked me on the bum. I sure pity anyone within nose shot, when I finely do let it go. Hey…There’s an idea….Keepsake Close Pins, at my funeral? Of course that’s assuming someone shows up?
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Posted: 23-Oct-2008, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (John Clements @ 22-Oct-2008, 04:06 PM)
I don’t know gwenlee…you and I over a cup of coffee? You know I’ve never hit a woman, (mostly because I’m afraid of getting the crap kicked out of me), and you know I wouldn’t want to push it. 
Hey!  Maybe if we had a 350lb Sumo Wrestler to referee? 
Don’t you wish all differences were little ones?
JC

JC I am sure we could have a peaceful conversation over coffee about anything except politics. Actually I don't tend to discuss politics in a social situation. And I don't get fighting mad unless you wrong me or one of mine. Then look out.

But seriously when it comes to having conversations with friends I would rather talk about anything else and leave politics at the door.

The only thing you have to fear from me is that I might get you on the dance floor if they play a reel or jig, I love to Scottish Country Dance.
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QUOTE (Camac @ 23-Oct-2008, 09:40 AM)
Patch;

I am the first to admit that I am not well versed in the American Political System and there are times I sit scratching my head and trying to figure out how your system works and how anything ever gets done . As to your election process well I give up it is just to complicated. I like it simple. I go to the Polling station, identify myself get a folded up ballot, go to the booth, unfold the ballot, find my candidates name, mark an X in the circle beside the name ,(with the pencil that is provided), refold the ballot and put it in the ballot box. Finished.

Camac.

Our system always allowed for 'issues." It was much less complicated in the 60's and early 70's. We have gone from paper ballots to punch cards (yes hanging chads) and touch screen computers. We are now back to paper ballots. Though I was never involved in counting votes, as a political insider I knew most of the tricks used to cheat on all systems. If the public knew, even less would probably vote. 24/7 television has only made the situation worse.

Your system is the easiest to monitor and apparently requires only that you research your candidates. When I was at the "Election Board" office I saw people with notes (I assume about the issues) waiting to vote.

You in Canada are fortunate and were it not for your firearm laws, I would consider Canada were I ever to move from here.

I doubt you would care to see a bunch of conservatives moving there though. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (gwenlee @ 23-Oct-2008, 11:03 AM)
QUOTE (John Clements @ 22-Oct-2008, 04:06 PM)
I don’t know gwenlee…you and I over a cup of coffee? You know I’ve never hit a woman, (mostly because I’m afraid of getting the crap kicked out of me), and you know I wouldn’t want to push it. 
Hey!  Maybe if we had a 350lb Sumo Wrestler to referee? 
Don’t you wish all differences were little ones?
JC

JC I am sure we could have a peaceful conversation over coffee about anything except politics. Actually I don't tend to discuss politics in a social situation. And I don't get fighting mad unless you wrong me or one of mine. Then look out.

But seriously when it comes to having conversations with friends I would rather talk about anything else and leave politics at the door.

The only thing you have to fear from me is that I might get you on the dance floor if they play a reel or jig, I love to Scottish Country Dance.
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Hey gwenlee… are we talking “Irish Coffee”?
You know my two best friends are my wife and Daughter, (and we fight all the time). Other then them I have lots of friends, (at least until they get to know me).
Now I’m not looking for a fight here, but. I think that not discussing “Taboo Topics”, (hey I should write that one down), “logically”… is one of the main reasons we’re all so divided today. So I say lets down that Irish coffee, put on the gloves, and have at it. I mean who know… maybe we’ll become best of friends? Got to go now, the paint is freezing on my brushes.
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PS: Dancing is good.
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Posted: 23-Oct-2008, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (John Clements @ 23-Oct-2008, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (gwenlee @ 23-Oct-2008, 11:03 AM)
QUOTE (John Clements @ 22-Oct-2008, 04:06 PM)
I don’t know gwenlee…you and I over a cup of coffee? You know I’ve never hit a woman, (mostly because I’m afraid of getting the crap kicked out of me), and you know I wouldn’t want to push it. 
Hey!  Maybe if we had a 350lb Sumo Wrestler to referee? 
Don’t you wish all differences were little ones?
JC

JC I am sure we could have a peaceful conversation over coffee about anything except politics. Actually I don't tend to discuss politics in a social situation. And I don't get fighting mad unless you wrong me or one of mine. Then look out.

But seriously when it comes to having conversations with friends I would rather talk about anything else and leave politics at the door.

The only thing you have to fear from me is that I might get you on the dance floor if they play a reel or jig, I love to Scottish Country Dance.
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Hey gwenlee… are we talking “Irish Coffee”?
You know my two best friends are my wife and Daughter, (and we fight all the time). Other then them I have lots of friends, (at least until they get to know me).
Now I’m not looking for a fight here, but. I think that not discussing “Taboo Topics”, (hey I should write that one down), “logically”… is one of the main reasons we’re all so divided today. So I say lets down that Irish coffee, put on the gloves, and have at it. I mean who know… maybe we’ll become best of friends? Got to go now, the paint is freezing on my brushes.
JC
PS: Dancing is good.

I do talk about politics but like I said I would rather talk about other things.

Good thing that your wife and daughter are your 2 best friends, as it should be, and I am sure they know how to keep the man in their life in line without him realizing it.

So sure, if we are ever in the same area a of cup of brew (any kind) would be great. No gloves just good conversation about politics or whatever. But even if we should never meet face to face, I would still like to think we can be friends, friends don't have to agree on everything, thank the good lord. And I think when all is said and done we want what is best for our country.

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Up here we have Consevatives, they are called Torys and their colour is Blue.
We have Liberals they are called Grits and their colour is Red.
We have the New Democratic Party,NDP socialist and their colour is orange
And we have the Bloc Quebecois Seperatist from Quebec their colour is also blue but nobody outside of Quebec votes for them

You can be a Red Tory (Liberal Conservative) or a Blue Liberal (Conservative Liberal which I am) Limited socialism. If you are NDP you are either a hardliner or a moderate.

Confused? Oh yeah you can also be an Independent but that and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee. There are also the Marijauana Party, The Rhinocerous Party, Libertarians, Marxist/Leninists and Communists. Fun for everyone. Lastly the Green Party, Enviromentalist. None of these parties have a seat in Parliament.


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How interesting Camac

Torys are blue my favorite color. Didn't they once support a king named George? wink.gif

In the south GRITS means Girls Raised In the South or it is the left overs of some kind of corn and we leave the red to the Red Hat Society. tongue.gif


If we put the two colors together it would make purple which is my very favorite color and between the two we could rule the world and make heads roll.
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Okay I made no sense, I am just a little punch drunk with all the politics --I gotta get a life. SCOTCH ANYONE?
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